"Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, steal anything you want, and never get caught"
Thye figure if they keep using this analogy long enough, they will just hammer it intos
downloading a "pirate app" is not the same as stealing something from a department store.
Its the same as instead of buying something from a knockoff store, buying a rip off from china town.
I say, in return for this horrible misuse of the english language we associate the crimes of embezzlement, graft, corporate theft, theft by deception, false advertising, and illegally obtaining patents with rape and child molestation.
"The fact is that the motherboard in question, nor any other commonly-available budget motherboards, currently work with Linux out of the box."
the fact is that most motherboards DO work with linux out of the box, as do most laptops.
In fact I actually did an "lspci" to find a simiar Gigabit ethernet chip on my mobo. This is the machine, and interface I am connecting to the internet to post this. "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B "
Not just to talk about my personal hardware, I also carry around a linux live OS in my pocket everywhere. Guess what? wired ethernet works on all of them, and its rare when sound and wireless doesn't work.
I've yet to come across a machine that won't load wired ethernet off my live os. I wasn't aware this was even a problem in the post kernel 2.6 era.
I've also yet to come across a machine that needed either sound or wireless drivers that has been made newer than 2005.
Your case from my experiance is a one in a thousand exception. All my machines come from commonly available parts. To include a mini-itx budget AMD A350-APU motherboard, I never had trouble with any wired ethernet card since trying to get community drivers for intel cards with kernel 2.2.
It sounds like you got a fluke. I don't know how you are talking about "common motherboards" like you've tried more than one.
"Oh the fun of laughing at the FOSSies, whose logic make the Mad Hatter look sane."
look who's talking
" I point out that both RHEL and SUSE require server contracts and it MUST be FUD" irrelivant point, implying that RHEL and SUSE are the only options, where free as in beer ubuntu/mint would work just as well, if not better for the situation at hand.
"So yet again i'm right"
again, your wrong. just like when you said "mint fucked up sound and wireless", when both are handled by the kernel and work well..
better than windows actually.
"Your product makes the Yugo look like a benz and the only one who gives a shit anymore are the crazies like yourself. Enjoy your 1% loonie, hell I'd rather taken the mess that is Win 8 over that trainwreck."
Your product looks like failed interfaces form 1996, enjoy AOL 2.0 brownshirt.
Guess which operating system is first to implment the latest technology.
Guess which operating system runs on the worlds most powerful computers.
Guess which operating system runs on IBM mainframes.
Guess what kernel is rock solid in every field it plays on?
"my last install was a three-day affair due to the motherboard reporting a Linux-supported ethernet device (the common RTL8168) while it was actually using a GbE Ethernet device that does not work with the legacy drivers" After a little bit in this thread, I did a lspci, and I found I have this card.
I am posting this on a gigabit RTL8111/8168B card
works flawlessly on both mint and arch. a few years of rock solid GBit service
"This is also only a problem if you insist on using 64 bit Linux, which means you can't use Flash, Skype, or anything else that's 32 bit only, and your Linux ends up less compatible with all the content on the Internet than it usually is."
Sweet lord.
1. flash is NOT 32 bit only. there is a pretty official 64 bit build. http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP-WWW-/Adobe-Flash-Player-for-64-bit-Linux-42958.shtml
2. As far as skype and other 32 bit binary only applications, they run pretty fine with multilib. Even microsoft 32bit windows apps work pretty good with wine in 64 bit.
All distros you would have heard about have multilib packages for x86 that will automaticly pull 32 bit dependencies for 32 bit binaries.
Only a corporate stooge would argue for the continued illegalization of marajuanna while handing out heavy duty drugs(most of which have a high street value), to children.
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I am going to argue that violating copyright isn't as wrong as comitting a litteral act of piracy (forceful theft at sea, often at gunpoint)
"Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, steal anything you want, and never get caught"
Thye figure if they keep using this analogy long enough, they will just hammer it intos
downloading a "pirate app" is not the same as stealing something from a department store.
Its the same as instead of buying something from a knockoff store, buying a rip off from china town.
I say, in return for this horrible misuse of the english language we associate the crimes of embezzlement, graft, corporate theft, theft by deception, false advertising, and illegally obtaining patents with rape and child molestation.
I don't remember cans at all in germany.
all beer is sold in bottles I believe.
bullshit.
As much as I loathe our own brand of fundies, they are orders of magnintude better than their paki equivilants.
I still think it'd be easier to port GNU to android than trying to break MS encryption scheme, then port android?
Why not just use an android tablets which already work with linux.
also, the android patches have been included into 3.3 and 3.4 and later kernels, so a stock linux kernel can work.
also, linux 3.8 will run on multiple arm cpus with one binary kernel.
There are far far far more android tablets. Why even bother with a windows tab?
in germany, by law, glasses have to be marked with volumes, precisely
.5 litre glass, with the oversized 1L stien being available in many places.
.5 litre size bottles.
.33
most common are the
Germany, you get beer in milk crates, with
there is no
"The fact is that the motherboard in question, nor any other commonly-available budget motherboards, currently work with Linux out of the box."
the fact is that most motherboards DO work with linux out of the box, as do most laptops.
In fact I actually did an "lspci" to find a simiar Gigabit ethernet chip on my mobo. This is the machine, and interface I am connecting to the internet to post this.
"Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B "
Not just to talk about my personal hardware, I also carry around a linux live OS in my pocket everywhere. Guess what? wired ethernet works on all of them, and its rare when sound and wireless doesn't work.
I've yet to come across a machine that won't load wired ethernet off my live os. I wasn't aware this was even a problem in the post kernel 2.6 era.
I've also yet to come across a machine that needed either sound or wireless drivers that has been made newer than 2005.
Your case from my experiance is a one in a thousand exception. All my machines come from commonly available parts. To include a mini-itx budget AMD A350-APU motherboard, I never had trouble with any wired ethernet card since trying to get community drivers for intel cards with kernel 2.2.
It sounds like you got a fluke. I don't know how you are talking about "common motherboards" like you've tried more than one.
"Oh the fun of laughing at the FOSSies, whose logic make the Mad Hatter look sane."
look who's talking
" I point out that both RHEL and SUSE require server contracts and it MUST be FUD"
irrelivant point, implying that RHEL and SUSE are the only options, where free as in beer ubuntu/mint would work just as well, if not better for the situation at hand.
"So yet again i'm right"
again, your wrong. just like when you said "mint fucked up sound and wireless", when both are handled by the kernel and work well..
better than windows actually.
"Your product makes the Yugo look like a benz and the only one who gives a shit anymore are the crazies like yourself. Enjoy your 1% loonie, hell I'd rather taken the mess that is Win 8 over that trainwreck."
Your product looks like failed interfaces form 1996, enjoy AOL 2.0 brownshirt.
Guess which operating system is first to implment the latest technology.
Guess which operating system runs on the worlds most powerful computers.
Guess which operating system runs on IBM mainframes.
Guess what kernel is rock solid in every field it plays on?
have fun with a slow burn to oblivion.
metric makes more sense for those of us who aren't savant mathemeticians
1 meter == fraction of the earths surface, just as much as a mans's stride as a yard, differs by 3 inches(76 mm). fuckoff.
1 milliliter == 1 cubic centimeter
1 gram == that same cc filled with water.
0 Celsius - water friezes
100 Celsius - water boils.
as far as your beers go, you'd be much happier man drinking them liter size like they do in europe.
no one uses oxen to plow fields anymore.
when I was in Iraq, in the summer time, it hit 135 on a regular basis, with 141 occationally on hot days
its not 110 degress, which it gets in west texas either.
"my last install was a three-day affair due to the motherboard reporting a Linux-supported ethernet device (the common RTL8168) while it was actually using a GbE Ethernet device that does not work with the legacy drivers"
After a little bit in this thread, I did a lspci, and I found I have this card.
I am posting this on a gigabit RTL8111/8168B card
works flawlessly on both mint and arch. a few years of rock solid GBit service
its not like they don't exist
https://www.google.com/search?q=PCI-E+gigabit+ethernet&hl=en&sa=G&tbo=u&source=univ&tbm=shop&ei=BzbeUPmDOu6M0QGBpIGgCg&ved=0CEgQsxg
as long as your not gaming, nouveau works pretty well, and its ABI stable with a 1.0 version, that was hit this year.
http://phoronix.com /fin
+1
I've had two desktops from parts, both based around asus motherboards, with outstanding support for all perephials
"This is also only a problem if you insist on using 64 bit Linux, which means you can't use Flash, Skype, or anything else that's 32 bit only, and your Linux ends up less compatible with all the content on the Internet than it usually is."
Sweet lord.
1. flash is NOT 32 bit only. there is a pretty official 64 bit build.
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP-WWW-/Adobe-Flash-Player-for-64-bit-Linux-42958.shtml
2. As far as skype and other 32 bit binary only applications, they run pretty fine with multilib. Even microsoft 32bit windows apps work pretty good with wine in 64 bit.
All distros you would have heard about have multilib packages for x86 that will automaticly pull 32 bit dependencies for 32 bit binaries.
not only is it supported, intel releases factory FOSS drivers, for everything, including their graphics chips.
If it runs on red hat and suse, it will run on other distros
most drivers are baked into the kernel.
despite the FUD, most drivers get passed around the mainstream distro world quick.,
wait despite the FUD, its you again, go figure.
Slow day at work Mr Ballmer?
"220 watt-hours of energy."
Less power than running a dungeon in world of warcraft using a decent gaming rig. doubly so, if you run dual cards.
total power usage of gaming rig under load - ~400 watts
Time to run a dungeon - between 45 min - 1 1/12 hours.
300 - 600 watt hours
anonymous coward with the ad hominem ftw.
Only a corporate stooge would argue for the continued illegalization of marajuanna while handing out heavy duty drugs(most of which have a high street value), to children.
lol,
I am posting this from a computer with linux mint
you can't change facts:
your a brownshirt who shifts goalposts, and has no idea what your talking about.
you lost, go home.
privacy.
Or better yet, lets make it a law that everyone has to inventory everything in their house.
"The vast majority of DDoS participants are infected computers in botnets, and their owners are typically unaware."
This.
Also, you might never really know who's behind it.
lets publish a list of all those for gun control with the same data on it, by a right wing paper.
we'll see who's brave.