If this isn't a 1984ish set up when the system is asking you to spy on politically "undesirable" citizens, I don't know what is.
Lets start a public list of other harmful products
Liquor - let us know where the drunks are, lets name them by face Tobacco - so you know when your kids might be harmed by tobbaco smoke. Red Meat Sugary Soft Drinks. Cars larger than 3000 pounds - don't wanna get run over by roadhogs. $CONTROVERSIALMUSICSTYLE - Those cretins probably don't vote for $CANDIDATEOFCHOICE or $PARTY, along with being "scary" or terrorists. Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public.
how is this than anonymous posting "dox" of people they don't like. This is simply put, an enticement for politically oriented targeted harassment of otherwise law abiding citizens.
The "eats toejam and writes Free software list" The (Charlie Sheen) "Winning" list
just to add to the previous "Security" and "Reserve" lists of US citizens that were actively spied on, for unspecified "crimes against the state" to be rounded up in case of an emergency.
Elsewhere in the world, specificly The People's Republic of New Jersey, school officials cannot determine the difference between a real, and drawn automatic weapon. (wonder why the US has education problems)
Its good to see at least somewhere(Canada), the Enlightenment lives on, and people can continue to release that drawings don't come to life and hurt people.
"1.-It has to be a distro touted for home users, no making your own or using an expensive enterprise product that home users won't have access to, 2.-It has to have at least 1 release out at the same time Windows Vista was released, that's Jan 2007 in case you are wondering, 3.- while you will be allowed to use any CLI tools during setup (since during that portion you will be the builder NOT the customers) you must then update to current using ONLY the GUI tools."
linuxmint.com
it does all that and more. Mint and Ubuntu both have automatic updates, and nice GUIs for manual updates. in fact all the tools are GUI, and command line is optional.
also, microsoft does not have as anything as neat as jockey for install drivers.
oh, and here is the davey dagger, challenge, to one up you.
GUI tools ONLY durring setup/install. Again, mint and ubuntu pass, does windows?
In fact, mint also makes available OEM installer disks, that after I set up for a customer, asks all the username, timezone, language, personal info crap at first boot. All in GUI, with a mouse, with easy to read menus.
http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=18
Also, tell me more about "windows support", most of the time, MS will tell you to call whomever sold you the computer, and the idiot you call in the phone is just that, an unhelpful idjit who barely speaks english.
should be proving you have a working prototype of plausable design for one.
We need to stop letting these weasels just get patents for everything they can "think" of, or guess might be viable some day,and then steal the work from the persons who actually makes one a few years later, because they made a good.
exactly, for all the bad stuff they do, this is not it.
I think this is a step in the right direction. How much do we really have to fear about a "digital pearl harbor", if we make sure that critical infrastructure has great security. Glad to see they still do their jobs once and a while. (In addition to the SHA and AES competitions which get together great minds to work on civilian crypto).
"That's truly a fucking non news." some fucking company is going to bitch because they have to buy new, more secure gear, before some jackass teenagers get bored and destroy the nation's utilities, because some fucking cheapskate implemented ridiculous poor quality hardware on critical infrastructure.
of all the funny shit the NSA does, I think this is spot on money.
After complaining about a "Digital Perl Harbor", securing SCADA systems is a far better alternative than the previous campaign of aggressive black hat'ing they were seeming to imply they were doing. Even if it has a creepy fucking name.
as for conservative disinformation, its ironic how they claim the smallest financial measures are taking away their freedoms, on theorhetics that would save money for the wealthiest, at their expense, but the biggest attrocities, such as what various three letter agencies are doing, warrantless wiretaps, and the expanding surviallence state, all under their noses. They couldn't care less.
no, we have the TIPS programs, and the sort of paranoia and fear that happens after every media frenzied tragedy
Do your friends/family look mentally ill derranged?
Do your neighbors looks like terrorists?
And urges you to report them.
Even when you are doing now, is more of the same. Do you know someone who plays violent video games? report them to authorities.
Fact: Before violent video games, there where violent movies, before than, violent books(in english going all the way back to gilgamesh, the first known english book).
Fact: Before kids played violent video games, they played violent games outside, like "War", "Cowboys and Indians"(horribly politically incorrect too)", "Cops and Robbers", etc....
don't blame this on video games. Stop doing the type of disinformation you mention.
". Either you get on the horribly broken upgrade bandwagon or you spend $1500+"
how I am going to spend $1500 for a new version of linux, when I just download the.iso, scratch that, update a few names in/etc/apt/sources.list and type apt-get dist-upgrade.
While I can be fairly certain my UI will stay the same, here is what I get when upgrade versions in linux:
new kernel with new features. Also linux does incremental upgrades, there are no disaster spelling.0 releases like microsoft that break everything and introduce massive security features leaving a sucky OS for a few years while they refine it.
New graphics server, new userland, all of which are incremental, and don't radically change things causing breakage.
Ever actually trying upgrading a windows machine. Major version like 98 - XP? You will break the machine
"people would rather shell out over $100 plus my costs to go to Win 7 rather than take your product for free because its simply not suitable for purpose, end of story."
People take windows 7 because its the OS that comes with the computer. Most people are simply incapable and scared to even learn how to re-install an existing OS on a computer, regardless of what it is, far less than change it.
Lets face facts, how many end users buy Windows 7 retail? 99% of sales are pre-installed on machines.
No one really wants windows, they use it because they more or less feel they have to. end of story.
Also "And I'm still waiting on someone to take the Hairyfeet challenge,"
what the fuck is the hairyfeet challenge? If you mean "usable GNU/Linux desktop you can toss out windows for", I've been running linux since 2009 as my main OS, and love it.
I made mostly the same reservations as you, until I actually tried it on the desktop, and well, it works, it works well, it works better than windows.
It has a few hiccups, but less than windows does. As for why this isn't sold in stores? Its because the comapnies that make computers have a fetish for windows. Saying they are automaticly right for being capitalists is one horrible "Appeal to authority" http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-authority/
yeah, first OS to have USB 3 support, built in drivers, easy networking config, uniform software installation and package management, uniform audio/video codecs (no more spyware laden.exe installers, or shit like DivX;) ), everything is in gstreamer, the file managers actually work like you'd expect.
Windows is fucking clunky.
" But Linux on the desktop fucking sucks, it's nothing more than stupid, bloated, imitative shit." Funny, thats what I think of Windows. even "heavyweight" desktops run faster with far less resource usage than windows. Gnome 3 and KDE 4 are on the level of windows XP with research usage.
I also still have pentium III boxes running modern kernels with LXDE, and modern versions of firefox, and pentiumn 4s with XFCE and firefox, that can watch youtube videos nicely.
"I happen to be modded down -1 often here touting that Windows is simply a better option for a regular pc for average Joe "
because its FUD.
you haven't obviously used modern versions of linux, or your entirely biased. Windows is far far far behind on user interface, and windows 8 was a sad attempt to catching up to UNITY/Gnome shell.
Just like the app stores from Apple/MS were sad attempts at keeping up with the Ubuntu Software Center.(years later).
Or mabey you'll start citing contributes the former made by patenting things other people invented.
"Hell look at how Linux as an "OS" is managed, you got fifty billion little fiefdoms, NONE of which are ruled by one grouped or even really has to talk to one another on a regular basi"
thats actually a good thing.
Look at gnome 3 and windows 8. Both were flagship products in the previous version (2, and 7 respectively), well used and liked interfaces.
Both did some really goofy, hated shit with the UI in the new version that caused their respective fanbois and user base to get rael mad.
Linux - forked gnome 2 into MATE, gnome 3 into cinamon, others took refuge with KDE and XFCE.
Windows - your kinda fucked, stuck on hoping microsoft will support 7 for as long as it supported windows XP, that said, you'll never be able to benefit from new things like ReFS, or kernel upgrades, or new technology, without giving up your UI. Mabey they'll get KDE working on windows 8, and you'll be saved by the linux community.
"invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick"
at least when I played with legos as a kid, they had detailed step by instructions. They also had themed, colored, but entirely lego unique factions, such as
M-Tron(they had magnets), B-tron, Space Police, Ice Force(or something like that.
When we played legos, we'd PRETEND they were star wars, because, well, we liked star wars, and couldn't give a fuck about whatever lego-specific factions, that had no real great media behind them.
That said, legos, you could really snap together anyway you really wanted to, first starting by putting more lasers, and bigger engines on your ships, then body mods, than finally making complete new ones.
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If this isn't a 1984ish set up when the system is asking you to spy on politically "undesirable" citizens, I don't know what is.
Lets start a public list of other harmful products
Liquor - let us know where the drunks are, lets name them by face
Tobacco - so you know when your kids might be harmed by tobbaco smoke.
Red Meat
Sugary Soft Drinks.
Cars larger than 3000 pounds - don't wanna get run over by roadhogs.
$CONTROVERSIALMUSICSTYLE - Those cretins probably don't vote for $CANDIDATEOFCHOICE or $PARTY, along with being "scary" or terrorists.
Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public.
by publishing information on fellow citizens....
how is this than anonymous posting "dox" of people they don't like. This is simply put, an enticement for politically oriented targeted harassment of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Why don't you put him on a "list"
The "don't fly list"
The "sex offender list"
The "eats toejam and writes Free software list"
The (Charlie Sheen) "Winning" list
just to add to the previous "Security" and "Reserve" lists of US citizens that were actively spied on, for unspecified "crimes against the state" to be rounded up in case of an emergency.
Elsewhere in the world, specificly The People's Republic of New Jersey, school officials cannot determine the difference between a real, and drawn automatic weapon. (wonder why the US has education problems)
Its good to see at least somewhere(Canada), the Enlightenment lives on, and people can continue to release that drawings don't come to life and hurt people.
"1.-It has to be a distro touted for home users, no making your own or using an expensive enterprise product that home users won't have access to, 2.-It has to have at least 1 release out at the same time Windows Vista was released, that's Jan 2007 in case you are wondering, 3.- while you will be allowed to use any CLI tools during setup (since during that portion you will be the builder NOT the customers) you must then update to current using ONLY the GUI tools."
linuxmint.com
it does all that and more. Mint and Ubuntu both have automatic updates, and nice GUIs for manual updates. in fact all the tools are GUI, and command line is optional.
also, microsoft does not have as anything as neat as jockey for install drivers.
oh, and here is the davey dagger, challenge, to one up you.
GUI tools ONLY durring setup/install. Again, mint and ubuntu pass, does windows?
In fact, mint also makes available OEM installer disks, that after I set up for a customer, asks all the username, timezone, language, personal info crap at first boot. All in GUI, with a mouse, with easy to read menus.
http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=18
Also, tell me more about "windows support", most of the time, MS will tell you to call whomever sold you the computer, and the idiot you call in the phone is just that, an unhelpful idjit who barely speaks english.
ugg, your write, brainfart. It was late, and I was drunk
I was thinking of "Beowulf" sorry/
should be proving you have a working prototype of plausable design for one.
We need to stop letting these weasels just get patents for everything they can "think" of, or guess might be viable some day,and then steal the work from the persons who actually makes one a few years later, because they made a good.
I still don't like the idea you can own an idea.
AC trolls hard.
This was a plot line from "Generation Kill" based on a real story.
awk replacing grep - getting in a mac truck to get the groceries.
perl script - getting in a race car for the same
I'm just trying to type ls -l |grep something into an interactive bash shell, simple simple shit, that breaks.
back then you just called them "dirty hippies" and "long hairs"
"Microsoft LOVES BSD, they can take code from it and never contribute anything back. But it is Linux that got popular not BSD. "
its because many of the companies, that profit from the based linux communities, give back. IBM, Intel, RedHat, etc....
"Exactly. I'm sure TOR is effectively broken"
how are you sure of this?
yes, I hope the NSA sends people to unplug them.
exactly, for all the bad stuff they do, this is not it.
I think this is a step in the right direction. How much do we really have to fear about a "digital pearl harbor", if we make sure that critical infrastructure has great security. Glad to see they still do their jobs once and a while. (In addition to the SHA and AES competitions which get together great minds to work on civilian crypto).
"That's truly a fucking non news."
some fucking company is going to bitch because they have to buy new, more secure gear, before some jackass teenagers get bored and destroy the nation's utilities, because some fucking cheapskate implemented ridiculous poor quality hardware on critical infrastructure.
" I don't think the power grid is critical because the folks who really need the power have backups"
after living through hurricane sandy, I'd tend to disagree with you.
of all the funny shit the NSA does, I think this is spot on money.
After complaining about a "Digital Perl Harbor", securing SCADA systems is a far better alternative than the previous campaign of aggressive black hat'ing they were seeming to imply they were doing. Even if it has a creepy fucking name.
as for conservative disinformation, its ironic how they claim the smallest financial measures are taking away their freedoms, on theorhetics that would save money for the wealthiest, at their expense, but the biggest attrocities, such as what various three letter agencies are doing, warrantless wiretaps, and the expanding surviallence state, all under their noses. They couldn't care less.
no, we have the TIPS programs, and the sort of paranoia and fear that happens after every media frenzied tragedy
Do your friends/family look mentally ill derranged?
Do your neighbors looks like terrorists?
And urges you to report them.
Even when you are doing now, is more of the same. Do you know someone who plays violent video games? report them to authorities.
Fact: Before violent video games, there where violent movies, before than, violent books(in english going all the way back to gilgamesh, the first known english book).
Fact: Before kids played violent video games, they played violent games outside, like "War", "Cowboys and Indians"(horribly politically incorrect too)", "Cops and Robbers", etc....
don't blame this on video games. Stop doing the type of disinformation you mention.
". Either you get on the horribly broken upgrade bandwagon or you spend $1500+"
.iso, scratch that, update a few names in /etc/apt/sources.list and type apt-get dist-upgrade.
.0 releases like microsoft that break everything and introduce massive security features leaving a sucky OS for a few years while they refine it.
how I am going to spend $1500 for a new version of linux, when I just download the
While I can be fairly certain my UI will stay the same, here is what I get when upgrade versions in linux:
new kernel with new features. Also linux does incremental upgrades, there are no disaster spelling
New graphics server, new userland, all of which are incremental, and don't radically change things causing breakage.
Ever actually trying upgrading a windows machine. Major version like 98 - XP? You will break the machine
"people would rather shell out over $100 plus my costs to go to Win 7 rather than take your product for free because its simply not suitable for purpose, end of story."
People take windows 7 because its the OS that comes with the computer. Most people are simply incapable and scared to even learn how to re-install an existing OS on a computer, regardless of what it is, far less than change it.
Lets face facts, how many end users buy Windows 7 retail? 99% of sales are pre-installed on machines.
No one really wants windows, they use it because they more or less feel they have to. end of story.
Also
"And I'm still waiting on someone to take the Hairyfeet challenge,"
what the fuck is the hairyfeet challenge? If you mean "usable GNU/Linux desktop you can toss out windows for", I've been running linux since 2009 as my main OS, and love it.
I made mostly the same reservations as you, until I actually tried it on the desktop, and well, it works, it works well, it works better than windows.
It has a few hiccups, but less than windows does. As for why this isn't sold in stores? Its because the comapnies that make computers have a fetish for windows. Saying they are automaticly right for being capitalists is one horrible "Appeal to authority"
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-authority/
yeah, first OS to have USB 3 support, built in drivers, easy networking config, uniform software installation and package management, uniform audio/video codecs (no more spyware laden .exe installers, or shit like DivX ;) ), everything is in gstreamer, the file managers actually work like you'd expect.
Windows is fucking clunky.
" But Linux on the desktop fucking sucks, it's nothing more than stupid, bloated, imitative shit."
Funny, thats what I think of Windows. even "heavyweight" desktops run faster with far less resource usage than windows. Gnome 3 and KDE 4 are on the level of windows XP with research usage.
I also still have pentium III boxes running modern kernels with LXDE, and modern versions of firefox, and pentiumn 4s with XFCE and firefox, that can watch youtube videos nicely.
"I happen to be modded down -1 often here touting that Windows is simply a better option for a regular pc for average Joe "
because its FUD.
you haven't obviously used modern versions of linux, or your entirely biased. Windows is far far far behind on user interface, and windows 8 was a sad attempt to catching up to UNITY/Gnome shell.
Just like the app stores from Apple/MS were sad attempts at keeping up with the Ubuntu Software Center.(years later).
Or mabey you'll start citing contributes the former made by patenting things other people invented.
lol @ sharepoint, and IIs
"Hell look at how Linux as an "OS" is managed, you got fifty billion little fiefdoms, NONE of which are ruled by one grouped or even really has to talk to one another on a regular basi"
thats actually a good thing.
Look at gnome 3 and windows 8. Both were flagship products in the previous version (2, and 7 respectively), well used and liked interfaces.
Both did some really goofy, hated shit with the UI in the new version that caused their respective fanbois and user base to get rael mad.
Linux - forked gnome 2 into MATE, gnome 3 into cinamon, others took refuge with KDE and XFCE.
Windows - your kinda fucked, stuck on hoping microsoft will support 7 for as long as it supported windows XP, that said, you'll never be able to benefit from new things like ReFS, or kernel upgrades, or new technology, without giving up your UI. Mabey they'll get KDE working on windows 8, and you'll be saved by the linux community.
"invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick"
at least when I played with legos as a kid, they had detailed step by instructions. They also had themed, colored, but entirely lego unique factions, such as
M-Tron(they had magnets), B-tron, Space Police, Ice Force(or something like that.
When we played legos, we'd PRETEND they were star wars, because, well, we liked star wars, and couldn't give a fuck about whatever lego-specific factions, that had no real great media behind them.
That said, legos, you could really snap together anyway you really wanted to, first starting by putting more lasers, and bigger engines on your ships, then body mods, than finally making complete new ones.
I'm pretty sure you can still do that.
" " gambling, child pornography or copyright infringement""
as in trying to make taking away rights as attractive as possible, pushing people's emotional buttons
most internet communications completely ignores state lines. most of it IS interstate commerce.