"they are free to do this. This is called a "fork" of the program. Soon the community switches to the corrected fork, and the malicious version is rejected. The prospect of ignominious rejection is not very tempting; thus, most of the time, even those who are not stopped by their consciences and social pressure refrain from putting malfeatures in free software."
The idea is that with the GPL, minor contributors can't make people dependant on minor contributions, and keeps the power with the programmer instead of lawyer and marketer.
After unity I can't see why anyone is still on ubuntu. This is the icing on the cake.
Linux Mint - Ubuntu fork. two great sensable desktops installed be default. http://linuxmint.com/
computer classes when I went to school were entirely watered down, to the point they were no more than glorified typing classes.
One of them I failed because it was a quiz on "whats the best search engine". A graded excersize paid for by dogpile, that marketed dog piles line, they gave you hideously easy, but slanted questions promoting their product.
I refused to answer, and got an F, and got disciplined for talking back to a teacher for complaining. After all, what does some kid know about computers.
And when I kid knew something about computers, it was some form of conspiracy.
In high school I was able to get into a "computer science class", which was C++.
Before the class, they made everyone sign this corporate manefesto saying you won't reverse engineer anything, break into anything, and will be no more intrested in programming than is neccary to work for a company, yaddy yaddy yadda, made sure you knew that intellectual property wasn't yours, period.
I think ford is slowly moving this with with audrino chips in their cars.
mabey ford would be the first FSF certified car?
It would be great, and keep independant mechanics and other automotive based small businesses in business.
The point of Free software isn't that anyone or everyone is going to modify the source code themselves, its the fact the common man gets to pick which expert they want to see about their tech problems.
It also assures those experts are independant and not pressured into actions that could adversly affect the end user by the manufacturer. It also makes sure that being an expert is something you attain not by favors, but by skill, and time put in. More experts independant from eachother insulations an ECOSYSTEM of experts from group think, or peer pressure, making them less likely to act against the common good.
but in computer classes as early as high school, you have to sign wavers saying you won't use the computer for anything they think is either "manipulative or deceptive", by their paranoid ignorant thought proccess
All they've done is take all free android clones, peoples personal, and legally owned shit, and home vidoes off the net. They've killed many cell phone modding communities with broken links.
Its made it that much harder for a small projects(FOSS types) to host large files associated with them.
In case your wondering, its just as easy as it was before to get pirated material from a site that flaunts its pirate status, "The Pirate Bay"
Rest assured good freinds, you can still get your mindless RIAA sponsored pop music pirate, entirely unabated. https://thepiratebay.se/search/britney%20spears/0/99/0
if we ever get into "upper" management. Some people are allowed and encouraged ot act aggressive from the start and are groomed for the upper management jobs.
The whole point of making use docile is so we are all uncapable of being "upper management", so the positions naturally get filled by insiders.
"I don't hate Linux, I really like it actually. I use it for servers and tinkering workstations all the time" I was being facetious. RMS pointed out some really great reasons why apple is doing bad things. you accused him of hating apple because its cool to do so, when RMS presented some valid arguments.
"But every time I've tried to use it for real work - some huge glitch keeps me from making the switch over, something doesn't work as advertised, or something just gets depreciated without a replacement." Funny, huge glitches in MS made me switch around ubuntu 10.04. Never looked back. I expected to be back on windows after a year break. It came a long way since the last time I pulled this shit with Redhat 6
"I can say, however, it is a fair to disclose that I have not had the occasion to try Ubuntu on the desktop as of yet. Their server distros are nice, and the instructions they give for getting things set up is great."
Try mint. its based of ubuntu without unity. If your used to windows the learning curve with cinamon is nill. MATE is just a fork of gnome 2 if you liked that sort of thing.
Its so intuitive you don't need instructions beyond what is presented to you in the GUI installer. You could just click next like 10 times for a working install.(same installer as ubuntu).
a previous generation of car owners was able to repair their own cars. This really didn't matter for most car owners, but it allowed a whole host of independant shops, and independant manual writers to spring up that were not dependant on manufacturers.
Buying a car didn't let the car owners own you as long as you owned their car.
http://www.righttorepair.org/main/default.aspx
and yes, when they went to closed systems, it was a big deal, because it hurts independant autoshops. more competition drives prices down, and allows autonomy from the dealership. Now dealerships have more power to over you, by refusing to service your car, effectively reducing the service life drasticly if there is no 3rd party. They can further price gouge you for repairs, tune ups and scheduled maintence.
Nobody benefits when manufactures lock their devices down, except the manufacturer, and he does so at your peril.
"I can install any software on my iPhone that I want, provided I can write it."
unless apple decides they don't want you to, and then they can remotely wipe it without telling you.
"Isn't that the sort of freedom that would appeal to Mr. Stallman?" part of it. the other part is the right to run any programs you want from anywhere, because its your hardware, with no preconditions set by the hardware manufacturer.
"I get the impression he hates on Apple because it's popular to hate on them in particular" I say you hate linux, because its popular to do so.
"but the real problem with the "Just run Linux" solution is that non-Computer Science people want to do things like answer e-mail, write correspondence"
welcome to the latter half of 2012, linux can do all these things...well.
"and buy software from the store that has a nice, easy installer" a physical store? what is this 1999? No people want to download software that works, prefrably that doesn't cost them money they don't have.
Anyway, Ubuntu has had one click install since 2007, before apple's app store. Its actually easy to use an intuivtive, with a search fucntion. Ubuntu also sells non-free apps, in the same software center, if your into that sort of thing.
"Freedom is nice, but when it involves having to become a computer engineer to exercise it" 1999 called, they want their FUD back.
most GNU/Linux distros do this pretty well compared to windows update.
in addition, most modern package managers sign packages with gpg, and include the keys in the install ISO, which is further signed with gpg, and hashed.
and windows fanbois have no clue what they are talking about.
I think it starts in school when the administration ostracises and persecutes people for acting diffrently and encourages "saftey in numbers" and the herd mentality.
We then justify anyone outside the norm might be potentially dangerous and we'd have no idea so we let authority figures sort it out, and they tell us who is dangerous and what is the proper thing to do about it, and inform us when they've done so.
They'd made it clear that challenging the status quo makes you just as much a target as anything else.
The ability to change the status quo and innovate is reserved for leaders, and those in high standng., who we admire and worship for their flagrant disregard for set standards, and ability to walk away unscathed from what would cost us everything. To change the slightest things, we'd need their OK, given the full credit for our ideas, and be thankful we merely be allowed to exist.
"First, Apple doesn't' shut pioneers out unless the pioneers were too stupid to file proper patents." thats a good sign the patent system is broken as shit, and favors large corps.
green tips/= steel. they are just the heavier 65 grain m855 round used for modern m16s with tighter barrel twists. 1:9 as opposed to the original 1:14
grey tips are steel core. Yes, you can legally buy steel core ammo. All m16 rounds have copper jacketing, as most AP rounds used by the military are, so even if they wouldn't be really considered AP
"So while I think a FSF Principles chip is a good idea, pitching it for scientific computing is a stretch."
while I don't expect the FSF principles chip to be A1 in perfomance, getting a FOSS chip in the same leauge with proprietary hardware is a good first step.
Its a good pitch for everyone who wants that sort of thing, me included. I know this guy is targeting "embedded" here, but I am looking for a scalled up 10-30 watt desktop model.
Slashdot Mirror
http://linuxmint.com/
"they are free to do this. This is called a "fork" of the program. Soon the community switches to the corrected fork, and the malicious version is rejected. The prospect of ignominious rejection is not very tempting; thus, most of the time, even those who are not stopped by their consciences and social pressure refrain from putting malfeatures in free software."
The idea is that with the GPL, minor contributors can't make people dependant on minor contributions, and keeps the power with the programmer instead of lawyer and marketer.
After unity I can't see why anyone is still on ubuntu. This is the icing on the cake.
Linux Mint - Ubuntu fork. two great sensable desktops installed be default.
http://linuxmint.com/
a gnome shell default search from the dash links to google, and wikipedia by default, and no other options are given for the user to change them.
it was true in the 1990s when I was growing up.
computer classes when I went to school were entirely watered down, to the point they were no more than glorified typing classes.
One of them I failed because it was a quiz on "whats the best search engine". A graded excersize paid for by dogpile, that marketed dog piles line, they gave you hideously easy, but slanted questions promoting their product.
I refused to answer, and got an F, and got disciplined for talking back to a teacher for complaining. After all, what does some kid know about computers.
And when I kid knew something about computers, it was some form of conspiracy.
In high school I was able to get into a "computer science class", which was C++.
Before the class, they made everyone sign this corporate manefesto saying you won't reverse engineer anything, break into anything, and will be no more intrested in programming than is neccary to work for a company, yaddy yaddy yadda, made sure you knew that intellectual property wasn't yours, period.
why would you trust owners over CEOs, given that CEOs are hired by owners, and work at the whim of the owners.
the problem is the owners. with no owners workers could hire/elect better management.
breaking news $25-$45 an hour is not an obscene amount of money.
Niether is 50-75/hour
I think ford is slowly moving this with with audrino chips in their cars.
mabey ford would be the first FSF certified car?
It would be great, and keep independant mechanics and other automotive based small businesses in business.
The point of Free software isn't that anyone or everyone is going to modify the source code themselves, its the fact the common man gets to pick which expert they want to see about their tech problems.
It also assures those experts are independant and not pressured into actions that could adversly affect the end user by the manufacturer. It also makes sure that being an expert is something you attain not by favors, but by skill, and time put in. More experts independant from eachother insulations an ECOSYSTEM of experts from group think, or peer pressure, making them less likely to act against the common good.
but in computer classes as early as high school, you have to sign wavers saying you won't use the computer for anything they think is either "manipulative or deceptive", by their paranoid ignorant thought proccess
"Windows 8, even in release mode, smells like beta testing"
you don't say, and anyone whos been following microshaft for the last 10 years should have seen this comming 2 years out?
Why?
It fits a "pattern of behavior" thats been true for over a decade.
All they've done is take all free android clones, peoples personal, and legally owned shit, and home vidoes off the net. They've killed many cell phone modding communities with broken links.
Its made it that much harder for a small projects(FOSS types) to host large files associated with them.
In case your wondering, its just as easy as it was before to get pirated material from a site that flaunts its pirate status, "The Pirate Bay"
Rest assured good freinds, you can still get your mindless RIAA sponsored pop music pirate, entirely unabated.
https://thepiratebay.se/search/britney%20spears/0/99/0
if we ever get into "upper" management. Some people are allowed and encouraged ot act aggressive from the start and are groomed for the upper management jobs.
The whole point of making use docile is so we are all uncapable of being "upper management", so the positions naturally get filled by insiders.
"I don't hate Linux, I really like it actually. I use it for servers and tinkering workstations all the time"
I was being facetious. RMS pointed out some really great reasons why apple is doing bad things. you accused him of hating apple because its cool to do so, when RMS presented some valid arguments.
"But every time I've tried to use it for real work - some huge glitch keeps me from making the switch over, something doesn't work as advertised, or something just gets depreciated without a replacement."
Funny, huge glitches in MS made me switch around ubuntu 10.04. Never looked back. I expected to be back on windows after a year break. It came a long way since the last time I pulled this shit with Redhat 6
"I can say, however, it is a fair to disclose that I have not had the occasion to try Ubuntu on the desktop as of yet. Their server distros are nice, and the instructions they give for getting things set up is great."
Try mint. its based of ubuntu without unity. If your used to windows the learning curve with cinamon is nill. MATE is just a fork of gnome 2 if you liked that sort of thing.
Its so intuitive you don't need instructions beyond what is presented to you in the GUI installer. You could just click next like 10 times for a working install.(same installer as ubuntu).
what?
a previous generation of car owners was able to repair their own cars. This really didn't matter for most car owners, but it allowed a whole host of independant shops, and independant manual writers to spring up that were not dependant on manufacturers.
Buying a car didn't let the car owners own you as long as you owned their car.
http://www.righttorepair.org/main/default.aspx
and yes, when they went to closed systems, it was a big deal, because it hurts independant autoshops. more competition drives prices down, and allows autonomy from the dealership. Now dealerships have more power to over you, by refusing to service your car, effectively reducing the service life drasticly if there is no 3rd party. They can further price gouge you for repairs, tune ups and scheduled maintence.
Nobody benefits when manufactures lock their devices down, except the manufacturer, and he does so at your peril.
"I can install any software on my iPhone that I want, provided I can write it."
unless apple decides they don't want you to, and then they can remotely wipe it without telling you.
"Isn't that the sort of freedom that would appeal to Mr. Stallman?"
part of it. the other part is the right to run any programs you want from anywhere, because its your hardware, with no preconditions set by the hardware manufacturer.
"I get the impression he hates on Apple because it's popular to hate on them in particular"
I say you hate linux, because its popular to do so.
"but the real problem with the "Just run Linux" solution is that non-Computer Science people want to do things like answer e-mail, write correspondence"
welcome to the latter half of 2012, linux can do all these things...well.
"and buy software from the store that has a nice, easy installer"
a physical store? what is this 1999? No people want to download software that works, prefrably that doesn't cost them money they don't have.
Anyway, Ubuntu has had one click install since 2007, before apple's app store. Its actually easy to use an intuivtive, with a search fucntion. Ubuntu also sells non-free apps, in the same software center, if your into that sort of thing.
"Freedom is nice, but when it involves having to become a computer engineer to exercise it"
1999 called, they want their FUD back.
most GNU/Linux distros do this pretty well compared to windows update.
in addition, most modern package managers sign packages with gpg, and include the keys in the install ISO, which is further signed with gpg, and hashed.
and windows fanbois have no clue what they are talking about.
I think it starts in school when the administration ostracises and persecutes people for acting diffrently and encourages "saftey in numbers" and the herd mentality.
We then justify anyone outside the norm might be potentially dangerous and we'd have no idea so we let authority figures sort it out, and they tell us who is dangerous and what is the proper thing to do about it, and inform us when they've done so.
They'd made it clear that challenging the status quo makes you just as much a target as anything else.
The ability to change the status quo and innovate is reserved for leaders, and those in high standng., who we admire and worship for their flagrant disregard for set standards, and ability to walk away unscathed from what would cost us everything. To change the slightest things, we'd need their OK, given the full credit for our ideas, and be thankful we merely be allowed to exist.
crapple fanbois?
never, its always been, or at least it used to be linux diehards.
no, but I've heard lurid stories about an older generation of bikers on british motorcycles.
something about "lucas prince of darkness"
and "brits don't enjoy drinking warm beer, lucas makes refrigeratos"
"Drug related how?"
disputes arising from the sale, distribution and possession of illegal drugs which cannot be settled in court.
he actually posted in the thread, he said the compiler is already done.
"First, Apple doesn't' shut pioneers out unless the pioneers were too stupid to file proper patents."
thats a good sign the patent system is broken as shit, and favors large corps.
green tips /= steel.
they are just the heavier 65 grain m855 round used for modern m16s with tighter barrel twists. 1:9 as opposed to the original 1:14
grey tips are steel core. Yes, you can legally buy steel core ammo. All m16 rounds have copper jacketing, as most AP rounds used by the military are, so even if they wouldn't be really considered AP
Then AP rounds only apply to pistol ammunition.
http://www.northwestfirearms.com/ammunition-reloading/36448-steel-core-ammo.html
"So while I think a FSF Principles chip is a good idea, pitching it for scientific computing is a stretch."
while I don't expect the FSF principles chip to be A1 in perfomance, getting a FOSS chip in the same leauge with proprietary hardware is a good first step.
Its a good pitch for everyone who wants that sort of thing, me included. I know this guy is targeting "embedded" here, but I am looking for a scalled up 10-30 watt desktop model.
Slow day at work Mr Balmer?