Either you missed the point or I failed to show it;)
Anyway, I think that the cost of support is more or less the same wheather you use PS (proprietary software) or OSS.
But, the cost of this support (inhouse or outsourced) doesn't differ much whether between PS and OSS.
And for large userbase it's usually cheaper to do it inhouse. It's then when costs of software licences start to have financial meaning in TCO. At least IM(ns)HO.
I always wonder about this nonsense talk about product's price being only part of the TCO.
I agree that price of the box with OS/DB/whatever is only part of the equation, but since when MS/Oracle/whoever started to give away product support for free?
I mean, whatever software you are using, it usually requires some helpdesk/administration. And support that you've got in the price of the software package is good for nothing.
I know because I tried to get several times support for NT, MSSQL etc. About the only advice is to reinstall system, database, or (sic!) decrease the size of database.
And paid support for Oracle or MS SQL... Don't get me started. Prices of that software even in the highest version with unlimited users, processors etc are nothing compared to costs of those support contracts.
On one hand, maybe this project will give Ogg/Vorbis on iPod, but on the other hand I wonder when Apple's gonna start sending goon^Wlawyer squads shouting that these guys breached EULA.
I believe that fetchmail would do the trick but you would have to tweak its configuration a bit.
1. You would have to download every imap folder separatelly.
2. Since default mode of operation for fetchmail is to retrieve mail from server and put it into local smtp system, you would have to direct it to deliver mail to procmail or other program, that would deliver messages to mbox or maildir.
VHS macrovision is popular precisely because it's undetectable in how it alters visual quality. You'll hear lots of complaints by people who are unable to copy videos correctly, but you'll never hear a complaint by anyone about how macrovision has degraded their signal -- it hasn't.
This is simply not true. Macrovision interferes with lots of video projectors and some TVs. The rest of the TVs shows noticable picture quality degradation on Macrovision protected material.
And while it hits mostly legal uses of this material, people who want to copy such protected VHS tapes can buy Macrovision removal blackbox for about 50pln here -- roughly equivalent of $10.
the culprit is not the unwillingness to provide the source, but the prohibition of the distribution of binaries, thereby violating section 6 of the GPL: 'You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.'
Oh, for crying out loud, GPL isn't a higher law given by some divine force that's gonna strike us down.
GPL is just a convenient wording of several conditions for published program. All the conditions are binding for the user, not the author.
We've been over this several times and it was stated that author can specify any additional conditions, even contradicting the GPL. This was the case for GPL-incompatible BSD advertising clause. It's enough to add permission to link the GPL code against such restricted code.
Nobody, not even RMS himself can prevent me from publishing my software with GPL license and additional condition that this guy that kicked my ass in fifth grade cannot use this code.
I was wondering these days. There are lots of spying satellites in the sky. Most of them just shoot everything in the field of vision and sends it to the ground, don't they?
Would it be possible that some bored analyst dealing with those pictures could backtrack such circle in time and find out what happened before the circle apeared?
I remember that someone was trying to recreate this markings and it took them several hours of works, so the time window would be pretty wide.
Brilliant example. If grocery prices were being artificially jacked up by a marketing cartel, farmers were being paid shit wages, and there was a 'tax' on gardening tools and fertiliser that went to the same cartel to cover loss of profits due to home gardening. even if you were only using the tools and fertiliser to grow roses and not vegetables. That's about where we're at.
No, that's still not the same.
When you steal the groceries from the shop behind the corner, you take it from the owner of the shop and he loses money spent on it. When you take someone's car, you take away his posession. When you photocopy a dollar bill and circulate it, you take away a bit of value from every single dollar bill on this planet.
When you copy music you don't do any of this. You don't deprieve original of its value, you don't take the money spent on its creation. There is very questionable point of lost revenue, but thats just it: it's questionable.
How can I moderate this frontpage news item as (-5 Moronic Troll)?
I mean, part of the informations are just false, the opinions are presented as facts, and the important factors that caused the switch to digital cell phones are conveniently avoided.
(like the max number of users per cell, min and max cell sizes, signal degradation in transit and several more)
Quality and/or security (which is often the same thing) doesn't pay the bill. Features pay the bill, runaway version numbers pay the bill.
It would be the same in other industries if it weren't for cunsumers' rights and vendor's liability. Unfortunatelly there is no liability for software vendors, so the QA is still in its infancy as it was few decades ago.
Somehow I fail to be impressed by the service even before it becomes operational. I mean, come on, India is a developing country with salaries at least an order of magnitude lower than you're avarage. 10h (which is moderate use... for a day) with $.08 per minute is $48. This is my monthly bill for cable tv and 512kbps internet over cable. And I consider this bill too high...
I can do all my work without any problems on my 333Mhz PII
I just ended recompressing season (as in 22 episodes) of ``Buffy'' from DVD to DivX. It not only took me most of my diskspace to dump all this from DVD. It also took two days to complete the video alone on my XP 1700+.
I can't wait to see how well your 333pII does this job...
Robert
I'm not sure if I want to see the result
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Apparently the script has been in the works for 3 years and is highly polished.
Judging from my experience, if the script for 90" flick took years to finish it is more of a comitee compromise than the work of art.
So I would expect the main character to be strong bl^H^Hafrican-american lesbian of Jewish origin which was molested in childhood by Catholic nun.
What? You can't have these in post-apocalyptical Australia? Wait till you see them;)
Think big LAN behind masquerading firewall, or caching proxy for large organization, where one person using it can block access to the site using this automatic defenses.
Or think impostor sending requests with forged source IP.
What? TCP sequence numbers? Impossible to impersonate TCP session?
Problem is, that this aproach doesn't solve any problems, creates new ones and is a great DoS tool in itself.
This is the same problem as with all filters automagically cutting off all requests from given ip/netblock after spotting some abuse.
Think big LAN behind masquerading firewall, or caching proxy for large organization, where one person using it can block access to the site using this automatic defenses.
Funny thing is that this broken-by-design solution is known for years, its flaws are known for years, and yet we see every once in a while another tool using this scheme.
It's not like someone is trying to outlaw the writing of Free software, or suppress the Free software movement.
Unfortunatelly there are several initiatives (mandatory hadrware DRM in PC among them) that will render free software useless as non-interoperable with commercial one. This is as close as you can get without explicitly stating it to outlaw free software.
A few years ago I saw a neat (expensive!) disc array that could 'freeze' the disc image at a single point in time so that a backup could be taken from the frozen image. The backup software saw only the frozen image, while the rest of the OS saw the disc as normal including updates made after the freeze occurred. The disc array maintained the frozen image until the backup was complete, guaranteeing a true snapshot as at a specific instant in time.
I believe that LVM on Linux makes it possible to create a snapshot of the volume. But I never had the chance to test it.
> Hmmmm, how much money could be saved in mass > marketing if replaced with the word of > mouth die hard big file swapers?
Much less than would be lost on tickets.
I mean: come on, every ad campany on the movie claims it is next "Citizen Cain" and "Star Wars" combined. Whereas the word of the mouth usually says that it is not worth seeing even if they paid you for this.
I wonder why any proposition of holding programmer/publisher liable for his product does not contain phrase like:
``Author/publisher of software may be held liable for his work up to total net revenue gathered from distribution of his software''.
Effectively, ``you get what you paid for''.
As it stands now each and every law to regulate liability of sofware author/publisher looks just like another tool to destroy Free Software -- no Free Software author can afford paying for losses to user that never paid him single penny.
SetFunction is a functional way of changing where vectors in a library point. They are changed in such a way that the checksumming process will never falsely declare a library to be invalid.
WARNING
If you use SetFunction on a function that can be called from interrupts, you are obligated to provide your own arbitration.
NOTE
SetFunction cannot be used on non-standard libraries like pre-V36 dos.library. Here you must manually Forbid(), preserve all 6 original bytes, set the new vector, SumLibrary(), then Permit().
This function was heavily used and abused by the system programmers on AmigaOS (e.g. for transparent decompression of data) since its erlieast days, which is mid-eighties AFAIR.
I think that CDROM connected to spdif-in on soundcard should do as well as (or better than) the hifi deck. And the sound doesn't go through the analog path, does it?
For what I know most of those copy protections don't let me copy the audio tracks, but they play just fine with ATAPI/SCSI MMC commands.
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This is the argument AGAINST open source.
;)
Either you missed the point or I failed to show it
Anyway, I think that the cost of support is more or less the same wheather you use PS (proprietary software) or OSS.
But, the cost of this support (inhouse or outsourced) doesn't differ much whether between PS and OSS.
And for large userbase it's usually cheaper to do it inhouse. It's then when costs of software licences start to have financial meaning in TCO. At least IM(ns)HO.
Robert
I always wonder about this nonsense talk about product's price being only part of the TCO.
I agree that price of the box with OS/DB/whatever is only part of the equation, but since when MS/Oracle/whoever started to give away product support for free?
I mean, whatever software you are using, it usually requires some helpdesk/administration. And support that you've got in the price of the software package is good for nothing.
I know because I tried to get several times support for NT, MSSQL etc. About the only advice is to reinstall system, database, or (sic!) decrease the size of database.
And paid support for Oracle or MS SQL... Don't get me started. Prices of that software even in the highest version with unlimited users, processors etc are nothing compared to costs of those support contracts.
Robert
On one hand, maybe this project will give Ogg/Vorbis on iPod, but on the other hand I wonder when Apple's gonna start sending goon^Wlawyer squads shouting that these guys breached EULA.
Robert
Maybe because popups are no-problem for a long time.
, "sameOrigin");
Popups don't bother me since I turned the knob saying ``open popups in tabs'' in Galeon. Additional measure would be
user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open"
in prefs (or even noAccess, but this would break my ebanking).
I believe there are several browsers with tabbed browsing for every platform these days. For windows good chance would be Opera.
Robert
I always thought that WWW pages should be written in HTML, not for a particular browser. And pages written in HTML do work on Netscape 4.
Robert
I believe that fetchmail would do the trick but you would have to tweak its configuration a bit.
1. You would have to download every imap folder separatelly.
2. Since default mode of operation for fetchmail is to retrieve mail from server and put it into local smtp system, you would have to direct it to deliver mail to procmail or other program, that would deliver messages to mbox or maildir.
Robert
This is simply not true. Macrovision interferes with lots of video projectors and some TVs. The rest of the TVs shows noticable picture quality degradation on Macrovision protected material.
And while it hits mostly legal uses of this material, people who want to copy such protected VHS tapes can buy Macrovision removal blackbox for about 50pln here -- roughly equivalent of $10.
Robert
Oh, for crying out loud, GPL isn't a higher law given by some divine force that's gonna strike us down.
GPL is just a convenient wording of several conditions for published program. All the conditions are binding for the user, not the author.
We've been over this several times and it was stated that author can specify any additional conditions, even contradicting the GPL. This was the case for GPL-incompatible BSD advertising clause. It's enough to add permission to link the GPL code against such restricted code.
Nobody, not even RMS himself can prevent me from publishing my software with GPL license and additional condition that this guy that kicked my ass in fifth grade cannot use this code.
Robert
I was wondering these days. There are lots of spying satellites in the sky. Most of them just shoot everything in the field of vision and sends it to the ground, don't they?
Would it be possible that some bored analyst dealing with those pictures could backtrack such circle in time and find out what happened before the circle apeared?
I remember that someone was trying to recreate this markings and it took them several hours of works, so the time window would be pretty wide.
Robert
No, that's still not the same.
When you steal the groceries from the shop behind the corner, you take it from the owner of the shop and he loses money spent on it. When you take someone's car, you take away his posession. When you photocopy a dollar bill and circulate it, you take away a bit of value from every single dollar bill on this planet.
When you copy music you don't do any of this. You don't deprieve original of its value, you don't take the money spent on its creation. There is very questionable point of lost revenue, but thats just it: it's questionable.
Go figure...
Robert
How can I moderate this frontpage news item as (-5 Moronic Troll)?
I mean, part of the informations are just false, the opinions are presented as facts, and the important factors that caused the switch to digital cell phones are conveniently avoided.
(like the max number of users per cell, min and max cell sizes, signal degradation in transit and several more)
Robert
It is simple.
Quality and/or security (which is often the same thing) doesn't pay the bill. Features pay the bill, runaway version numbers pay the bill.
It would be the same in other industries if it weren't for cunsumers' rights and vendor's liability. Unfortunatelly there is no liability for software vendors, so the QA is still in its infancy as it was few decades ago.
Robert
Somehow I fail to be impressed by the service even before it becomes operational. I mean, come on, India is a developing country with salaries at least an order of magnitude lower than you're avarage. 10h (which is moderate use... for a day) with $.08 per minute is $48. This is my monthly bill for cable tv and 512kbps internet over cable. And I consider this bill too high...
Robert
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better then that.
;)
You really believe that after the "Titanic"...?
Robert
I can do all my work without any problems on my 333Mhz PII
I just ended recompressing season (as in 22 episodes) of ``Buffy'' from DVD to DivX. It not only took me most of my diskspace to dump all this from DVD. It also took two days to complete the video alone on my XP 1700+.
I can't wait to see how well your 333pII does this job...
Robert
Apparently the script has been in the works for 3 years and is highly polished.
;)
Judging from my experience, if the script for 90" flick took years to finish it is more of a comitee compromise than the work of art.
So I would expect the main character to be strong bl^H^Hafrican-american lesbian of Jewish origin which was molested in childhood by Catholic nun.
What? You can't have these in post-apocalyptical Australia? Wait till you see them
I also only play CD-s on a computer. Actually I buy CD-s and rip'em to vorbis since it's much more convinient this way.
;)
;)
So I am actually happy they're going all the way protected cds
I will buy CD, rip it with a little effort (resorting to digital line-in if I have to) and take it back to the shop for a refund:
HEY! It doesn't play on my car cd, my portable cd-mp3, and on my standalone DVD! Give me back my money!
Now the oficial name for a price of a CD will be ``deposit''
Robert
- write
- preview
- post
- think
- reply to you own post
;)Think big LAN behind masquerading firewall, or caching proxy for large organization, where one person using it can block access to the site using this automatic defenses.
Or think impostor sending requests with forged source IP.
What? TCP sequence numbers? Impossible to impersonate TCP session?
Think again.
Robert
Problem is, that this aproach doesn't solve any problems, creates new ones and is a great DoS tool in itself.
This is the same problem as with all filters automagically cutting off all requests from given ip/netblock after spotting some abuse.
Think big LAN behind masquerading firewall, or caching proxy for large organization, where one person using it can block access to the site using this automatic defenses.
Funny thing is that this broken-by-design solution is known for years, its flaws are known for years, and yet we see every once in a while another tool using this scheme.
Robert
It's not like someone is trying to outlaw the writing of Free software, or suppress the Free software movement.
Unfortunatelly there are several initiatives (mandatory hadrware DRM in PC among them) that will render free software useless as non-interoperable with commercial one. This is as close as you can get without explicitly stating it to outlaw free software.
Robert
A few years ago I saw a neat (expensive!) disc array that could 'freeze' the disc image at a single point in time so that a backup could be taken from the frozen image. The backup software saw only the frozen image, while the rest of the OS saw the disc as normal including updates made after the freeze occurred. The disc array maintained the frozen image until the backup was complete, guaranteeing a true snapshot as at a specific instant in time.
I believe that LVM on Linux makes it possible to create a snapshot of the volume. But I never had the chance to test it.
Robert
> Hmmmm, how much money could be saved in mass
> marketing if replaced with the word of
> mouth die hard big file swapers?
Much less than would be lost on tickets.
I mean: come on, every ad campany on the movie claims it is next "Citizen Cain" and "Star Wars" combined. Whereas the word of the mouth usually says that it is not worth seeing even if they paid you for this.
Robert
I wonder why any proposition of holding programmer/publisher liable for his product does not contain phrase like:
``Author/publisher of software may be held liable for his work up to total net revenue gathered from distribution of his software''.
Effectively, ``you get what you paid for''.
As it stands now each and every law to regulate liability of sofware author/publisher looks just like another tool to destroy Free Software -- no Free Software author can afford paying for losses to user that never paid him single penny.
Robert
This function was heavily used and abused by the system programmers on AmigaOS (e.g. for transparent decompression of data) since its erlieast days, which is mid-eighties AFAIR.
I believe it counts as prior art.
Robert
I think that CDROM connected to spdif-in on soundcard should do as well as (or better than) the hifi deck. And the sound doesn't go through the analog path, does it?
For what I know most of those copy protections don't let me copy the audio tracks, but they play just fine with ATAPI/SCSI MMC commands.
Robert