<VirtualHost *>
ServerName www.myhost.com
DocumentRoot/home/myhost/engine.php
Alias/res/home/myhost/resources </VirtualHost>... or something. I tried it on my server and it seems to work a treat. Once again cheers for the tip
The PHP team quite closely related to the Zend team from what I can tell. According to their page, Zend is what's left if you strip out PHP's Server API interfaces and its standard library.
True, but if, say you wanted to present a hierarchical URL-space as opposed to something that looks more like a flat RPC mechanism then you'd have to implement your own URL dispatcher. Such mechanisms belong in the language, or, better yet, as hooks into the host HTTPd
But, like I said, I don't mind that because this isn't the sort of thing PHP is intended for. (OK, sorry I guess I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place then)
I don't have a problem with people trying to earn money.
My problem is that there's a disincentive for the developers to incorporate useful features into PHP, because it conflicts with their own interests. Yep, I know about APC and the like, but what's the chances of that getting incorporated into the official distribution anytime soon?
My problem is that this particular twist to the project structure counts against PHP, because I sure as hell don't see how it counts for it. Perl, Python et al are totally unfettered in this regard. If I wanted to share my improvement with the community (say, if I decided to implement better Python threading as opposed to sitting on my arse whinging about it) I could be sure that I'd have no trouble doing so if my implementation was technically and legally sound. If I wanted to improve the Zend core then I could do that provided that it would never concieveably compete with a Zend product. Yes I could redistribute it as a Zend plugin, but the burden of support would be mine. The Zend core team would be my competitors, they would not be my friends.
That's what my problem is. Stop getting so damn touchy;)
And all three of those are dirty hacks. Routing requests by making EVERY SINGLE ONE A 404 ERROR!? Gag me. There's very little you can't force on any given framework; doing it neatly and elegantly is another matter.
It's still lumped into a great big inconsistent namespace
It's still made by a for-profit company who hobble the product in order to not cut into their profit margins too much (Hello? Zend Cache? Optimiser? Compiler? Everything's free in PHP-Land, for a small fee in PHP-Land...)
I don't mind so much the fact that you can't have servlet-like objects which handle entire sections of your URLspace (as opposed to one URL -- how very un-spider-friendly. Most choke on a ? in a URL and rightly so) and remain persistent (allowing you to do funky stuff like... pool database connections maybe? no, mysql_pconnect() doesn't count. Oh, and what's with this SQLite thing? had a bit of a fallout with the MySQL team?)... because that kinda defeats the point of PHP anyway.
But come on. Fellas. PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor is the name. Not PHP: Application Server. If those first two issues were fixed it might actually make a seriously powerful hypertext preprocessor. That's something it's reasonably good at. But at the moment it's some sort of bastard preprocessing language run amok that people use to write whole web applications with and other stuff Nature never intended. Perl's got an awful syntax and a total lack of convention (and mod_perl is really byzantine), and I really really really really..... (x47) really want to like Python, but it's not re-entrant and has a big interpreter which makes its threading capabilities into nothing more than a silly joke (and last I checked, efforts to rectify the situation died back in, what, 1997?), so yeah I admit I use PHP for quite a few web devel jobs. But just because everything else sucks more, doesn't mean PHP doesn't suck any less.
I'm not even sure what my point is anymore. But, I think what I was trying to say was this isn't much. Same stuff is true of PHP as has always been true of it... wake me up when they get round to PHP6. An earlier rant I made comparing Perl to PHP (I think I preferred Perl back then) is here. The extended comment history is pretty much the only reason I got a subscription and to be fair I think it's worth the money.
...but why is this guy releasing a GPLed system and then moaning that it isn't making him any money? Of course companies aren't going to donate a whole goddamn salary in exchange for your benevolence; their shareholders certainly didn't invest in them because those companies are altruistic. Some companies donated some equipment and even some substantial sums of money and that's something to be grateful for. But as for Embedix being based off LRP? Well, sorry mate, they are quite within their rights. Read the GPL -- you don't see Mr Torvalds screaming at them because he feels he's owed something for using their kernel do you?
Look don't get me wrong, the computing economy sucks these days, yeah. Workers are treated like crap if/. stories are anything to go by (hmm...) so I'd fully agree with this guy if he wants to change profession or at least hunker down for the time being; doing what you love these days can be a painful exercise. And, though I use a more general purpose dist on my border server, the LRP does look like a very useful system and must have been quite an asset for Linux at the time (I wouldn't be surprised if most of those "You can't make NT do THAT on a spare 386 can you?" chants originated from this project).
But come on man, if you're reading this, don't blast so many people on your way out who, if anything, were more generous than they needed to be. Well, except Caldera. *wink*
And don't complain if you're not making money because you're giving your only product away. Like the adage about the tramp who wants God to make him win the lottery, meet him halfway and buy the friggin ticket;)
OK I just laughed so hard at that the people around me gave me weird looks. Rare that you see something funny on slashdot these days as opposed to "rofl tacos spelling sux"
Well I actually do hope they will be less of a jerk than you were.
Because, of course, throwing petrol bombs ALWAYS accomplishes more than a calm and friendly discussion. People like you give any cause a bad name.
(No, this is not a flame. Your intentions are good but you've got to be more diplomatic about it. Want to give MS et al more ammo to throw against us?)
This is sick. If someone dreams up an instant karma bitchslap for these cretins a la Ralsky, sign me up for it. Get a war chest together and I'll pledge $100 (not a lot but I'm a student, I'm not exactly rolling in money. However I consider the right not to be fucked up the ass for running an indexing service to be a right that is worth defending). Enough's enough, this has crossed the line. This is no better than highway robbery.
As to whoever executed this little act... $12k huh? Enjoy your hard earned instalment for your new BMW you piece of shit.
Um, I dunno about the battery. It has a shit life yes but I don't care too much seeing as I put it on its stand every night. I think it's got something like... six hours of talk time because I listened to OGGs for three hours on one of these missions and that took the battery down to 50%. Again I'm not terribly fussed.
And a mate of mine has an HBH30. Battery life is utterly crap (he cites about two hours and is pissed off by it), but it feels comfortable and would be neat if it wasn't so bloody expensive. Bluetooth is a dying technology anyway; surely ad-hoc 802.11b/TCPIP is cheaper AND faster (I mean I've seen NICs for it going for as much as wired NICs)
I dunno. I've got a P800, and I'm fairly happy with it. 128MB is a LOT of Ogg files, and with a suitable player it's sure as hell handy for those long car missions (ok yes both of them. Sue me, I've had my license for less than a month =P )
The problem is the extortionately priced memory cards (110 quid for a four gram 128MB piece of crap!?) and the utterly trashy handsfree kit that comes with it (all the weight is held by the right ear so the right earphone keeps slipping out. And it looks crap. Worst piece of shit ever) so forget about jogging with this thing because the tiniest shock knocks it out of your ears. I mutilated a Rio tape adapter by sticking the proprietary handsfree connector onto it and, presto, instant car adaptor for the Ogg player. Fun stuff.
I like the P800. I think it's expensive as fuck and I hate this typical Sony proprietary accessory gouging crap so all in all I'm not mad about this phone. But I still like it. And having a PDA and O/S is handy -- like someone else said, the whole reason I bought it is because I didn't want to carry a phone, PDA and MP3 player around. I don't have strenuous needs so its current capabilities are adequate (though I'm still waiting on KDE3 support for SyncML)
First off, very insightful post, it ought to be modded up.
But even so you have to have a critical baseline amount of communications between the resistance members. Even if every single person has a gun, you can't start a rebellion if nobody can even commit a "thought crime". What if an armed rebellion starts in a city somewhere? Nobody more than a mile from that city will ever hear about it; heavy weapons will be moved in and all resistance will be brutally crushed; a cover story is made up and nobody's the wiser. And what if we get to the stage where every word or gesture you make is recorded and analysed by an Echelon type system? Tin foil hat stuff I know but I still think a situation where a small group of people hold _absolute_ and unshakeable power is forseeable.
Basically, when their local telco refused to provide DSL provision, they invoked a statue which forced them to colocate some DSLAM equipment of their own, and they set up their own DSL ISP. Should be just the sort of thing you're looking for. I'd get a fatter uplink than a T1.
Anyway, yeah, plenty of informative info there, take a look. </karma_whore>
Rarely? When you work in a bank, "Rarely" is a 100 billion dollar word. You don't want that sort of damocles hanging over you. When one disk fails, generally the other disks don't. If you've got 100 copies of your stock exchange, you're not going to cry if you've only got 99. The problem is that when power fails, every single copy of your data dies.
Then again, bank dataservers are presumably distributed clusters, and taking out all of them at once is pretty damn hard. Guaranteeing power isn't all that hard -- like you said, have some batteries in a UPS type arrangement; enough to keep your entire cluster running for a minute or two while your diesel generator starts spinning. Have several UPSes, several diesel generators, and a very strict schedule for testing and replacing batteries and you should have a system that can survive anything a hard disk can.
Just don't use the word "rarely" when you're telling the CEO about something that's going to handle more money than some nation states have.
Sorry, I'm quite sure that OGG sucks compared to MP3. Especially at low bitrates it absolutely slaughters the sound compared to MP3. I use OGG anyway, but out of ideological preference, not technical.
Please point me at some of these PPC/Sparc/Alpha motherboards. No, really, I'm not trolling, I'm actually surprised that you can get them in the first place. I did a google for it, but all I found is a vague mention of a PPC CPU + Mobo combo for $500 somewhere which doesn't seem to be for sale anymore.
I've got a P800. And yeah the MSD is aids but then I don't know of anything as good as the P800 unfortunately. Besides, 128MB memsticks have come out -- even though I primarily bought this thing as a phone/mp3 combo, I'm not a very heavy user of MP3s so I suppose I can make do with 128. (Well, that or I could hack some sort of reverse MSD adapter and get one of those fancy pants 1Gb Memory Sticks... they're pin for pin compatible, trouble is I'm 99% sure the P800 OS will choke on it)
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How the heck is a supersonic _combustion ramjet_ going to help you in space? Unless you're carrying a metric crapload of O2...
IT DOESNT WORK ON APACHE2
/home/myhost/engine.php/ /res /home/myhost/resources/
...but it rather lacks the elegance of the Apache1 version. Not to mention the request path HAS to go through mod_alias now. Blech.
Damn it. The following does:
Alias /
Alias
.
Nah, I reckon one could handle it like this...
/home/myhost/engine.php /res /home/myhost/resources ... or something. I tried it on my server and it seems to work a treat. Once again cheers for the tip
<VirtualHost *>
ServerName www.myhost.com
DocumentRoot
Alias
</VirtualHost>
Issat true?
Now that IS an elegant approach! Thanks muchly for the info, I'll try it out sometime.
The PHP team quite closely related to the Zend team from what I can tell. According to their page, Zend is what's left if you strip out PHP's Server API interfaces and its standard library.
True, but if, say you wanted to present a hierarchical URL-space as opposed to something that looks more like a flat RPC mechanism then you'd have to implement your own URL dispatcher. Such mechanisms belong in the language, or, better yet, as hooks into the host HTTPd
But, like I said, I don't mind that because this isn't the sort of thing PHP is intended for. (OK, sorry I guess I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place then)
I don't have a problem with people trying to earn money.
;)
My problem is that there's a disincentive for the developers to incorporate useful features into PHP, because it conflicts with their own interests. Yep, I know about APC and the like, but what's the chances of that getting incorporated into the official distribution anytime soon?
My problem is that this particular twist to the project structure counts against PHP, because I sure as hell don't see how it counts for it. Perl, Python et al are totally unfettered in this regard. If I wanted to share my improvement with the community (say, if I decided to implement better Python threading as opposed to sitting on my arse whinging about it) I could be sure that I'd have no trouble doing so if my implementation was technically and legally sound. If I wanted to improve the Zend core then I could do that provided that it would never concieveably compete with a Zend product. Yes I could redistribute it as a Zend plugin, but the burden of support would be mine. The Zend core team would be my competitors, they would not be my friends.
That's what my problem is. Stop getting so damn touchy
And all three of those are dirty hacks. Routing requests by making EVERY SINGLE ONE A 404 ERROR!? Gag me. There's very little you can't force on any given framework; doing it neatly and elegantly is another matter.
It's still lumped into a great big inconsistent namespace
... pool database connections maybe? no, mysql_pconnect() doesn't count. Oh, and what's with this SQLite thing? had a bit of a fallout with the MySQL team?) ... because that kinda defeats the point of PHP anyway.
..... (x47) really want to like Python, but it's not re-entrant and has a big interpreter which makes its threading capabilities into nothing more than a silly joke (and last I checked, efforts to rectify the situation died back in, what, 1997?), so yeah I admit I use PHP for quite a few web devel jobs. But just because everything else sucks more, doesn't mean PHP doesn't suck any less.
It's still made by a for-profit company who hobble the product in order to not cut into their profit margins too much (Hello? Zend Cache? Optimiser? Compiler? Everything's free in PHP-Land, for a small fee in PHP-Land...)
I don't mind so much the fact that you can't have servlet-like objects which handle entire sections of your URLspace (as opposed to one URL -- how very un-spider-friendly. Most choke on a ? in a URL and rightly so) and remain persistent (allowing you to do funky stuff like
But come on. Fellas. PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor is the name. Not PHP: Application Server. If those first two issues were fixed it might actually make a seriously powerful hypertext preprocessor. That's something it's reasonably good at. But at the moment it's some sort of bastard preprocessing language run amok that people use to write whole web applications with and other stuff Nature never intended. Perl's got an awful syntax and a total lack of convention (and mod_perl is really byzantine), and I really really really really
I'm not even sure what my point is anymore. But, I think what I was trying to say was this isn't much. Same stuff is true of PHP as has always been true of it... wake me up when they get round to PHP6. An earlier rant I made comparing Perl to PHP (I think I preferred Perl back then) is here. The extended comment history is pretty much the only reason I got a subscription and to be fair I think it's worth the money.
Truly an american icon.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
...but why is this guy releasing a GPLed system and then moaning that it isn't making him any money? Of course companies aren't going to donate a whole goddamn salary in exchange for your benevolence; their shareholders certainly didn't invest in them because those companies are altruistic. Some companies donated some equipment and even some substantial sums of money and that's something to be grateful for. But as for Embedix being based off LRP? Well, sorry mate, they are quite within their rights. Read the GPL -- you don't see Mr Torvalds screaming at them because he feels he's owed something for using their kernel do you?
/. stories are anything to go by (hmm...) so I'd fully agree with this guy if he wants to change profession or at least hunker down for the time being; doing what you love these days can be a painful exercise. And, though I use a more general purpose dist on my border server, the LRP does look like a very useful system and must have been quite an asset for Linux at the time (I wouldn't be surprised if most of those "You can't make NT do THAT on a spare 386 can you?" chants originated from this project).
;)
Look don't get me wrong, the computing economy sucks these days, yeah. Workers are treated like crap if
But come on man, if you're reading this, don't blast so many people on your way out who, if anything, were more generous than they needed to be. Well, except Caldera. *wink*
And don't complain if you're not making money because you're giving your only product away. Like the adage about the tramp who wants God to make him win the lottery, meet him halfway and buy the friggin ticket
they dont own the copyright
Oh my god...
OK I just laughed so hard at that the people around me gave me weird looks. Rare that you see something funny on slashdot these days as opposed to "rofl tacos spelling sux"
Well I actually do hope they will be less of a jerk than you were.
Because, of course, throwing petrol bombs ALWAYS accomplishes more than a calm and friendly discussion. People like you give any cause a bad name.
(No, this is not a flame. Your intentions are good but you've got to be more diplomatic about it. Want to give MS et al more ammo to throw against us?)
Do you really want a peat bog of ASCII goatse.cx 'art'? ;)
Yeah that's why. Here, you may have this complimentary rusty nail.
This is sick. If someone dreams up an instant karma bitchslap for these cretins a la Ralsky, sign me up for it. Get a war chest together and I'll pledge $100 (not a lot but I'm a student, I'm not exactly rolling in money. However I consider the right not to be fucked up the ass for running an indexing service to be a right that is worth defending). Enough's enough, this has crossed the line. This is no better than highway robbery.
As to whoever executed this little act... $12k huh? Enjoy your hard earned instalment for your new BMW you piece of shit.
(An HBH-30 is a bluetooth handsfree kit by Sony-Ericsson, btw)
Um, I dunno about the battery. It has a shit life yes but I don't care too much seeing as I put it on its stand every night. I think it's got something like... six hours of talk time because I listened to OGGs for three hours on one of these missions and that took the battery down to 50%. Again I'm not terribly fussed.
And a mate of mine has an HBH30. Battery life is utterly crap (he cites about two hours and is pissed off by it), but it feels comfortable and would be neat if it wasn't so bloody expensive. Bluetooth is a dying technology anyway; surely ad-hoc 802.11b/TCPIP is cheaper AND faster (I mean I've seen NICs for it going for as much as wired NICs)
I dunno. I've got a P800, and I'm fairly happy with it. 128MB is a LOT of Ogg files, and with a suitable player it's sure as hell handy for those long car missions (ok yes both of them. Sue me, I've had my license for less than a month =P )
The problem is the extortionately priced memory cards (110 quid for a four gram 128MB piece of crap!?) and the utterly trashy handsfree kit that comes with it (all the weight is held by the right ear so the right earphone keeps slipping out. And it looks crap. Worst piece of shit ever) so forget about jogging with this thing because the tiniest shock knocks it out of your ears. I mutilated a Rio tape adapter by sticking the proprietary handsfree connector onto it and, presto, instant car adaptor for the Ogg player. Fun stuff.
I like the P800. I think it's expensive as fuck and I hate this typical Sony proprietary accessory gouging crap so all in all I'm not mad about this phone. But I still like it. And having a PDA and O/S is handy -- like someone else said, the whole reason I bought it is because I didn't want to carry a phone, PDA and MP3 player around. I don't have strenuous needs so its current capabilities are adequate (though I'm still waiting on KDE3 support for SyncML)
First off, very insightful post, it ought to be modded up.
But even so you have to have a critical baseline amount of communications between the resistance members. Even if every single person has a gun, you can't start a rebellion if nobody can even commit a "thought crime". What if an armed rebellion starts in a city somewhere? Nobody more than a mile from that city will ever hear about it; heavy weapons will be moved in and all resistance will be brutally crushed; a cover story is made up and nobody's the wiser. And what if we get to the stage where every word or gesture you make is recorded and analysed by an Echelon type system? Tin foil hat stuff I know but I still think a situation where a small group of people hold _absolute_ and unshakeable power is forseeable.
I can't find the story but check these guys out:
http://www.rric.net/
Basically, when their local telco refused to provide DSL provision, they invoked a statue which forced them to colocate some DSLAM equipment of their own, and they set up their own DSL ISP. Should be just the sort of thing you're looking for. I'd get a fatter uplink than a T1.
Anyway, yeah, plenty of informative info there, take a look. </karma_whore>
Rarely? When you work in a bank, "Rarely" is a 100 billion dollar word. You don't want that sort of damocles hanging over you. When one disk fails, generally the other disks don't. If you've got 100 copies of your stock exchange, you're not going to cry if you've only got 99. The problem is that when power fails, every single copy of your data dies.
Then again, bank dataservers are presumably distributed clusters, and taking out all of them at once is pretty damn hard. Guaranteeing power isn't all that hard -- like you said, have some batteries in a UPS type arrangement; enough to keep your entire cluster running for a minute or two while your diesel generator starts spinning. Have several UPSes, several diesel generators, and a very strict schedule for testing and replacing batteries and you should have a system that can survive anything a hard disk can.
Just don't use the word "rarely" when you're telling the CEO about something that's going to handle more money than some nation states have.
Sorry, I'm quite sure that OGG sucks compared to MP3. Especially at low bitrates it absolutely slaughters the sound compared to MP3. I use OGG anyway, but out of ideological preference, not technical.
Please point me at some of these PPC/Sparc/Alpha motherboards. No, really, I'm not trolling, I'm actually surprised that you can get them in the first place. I did a google for it, but all I found is a vague mention of a PPC CPU + Mobo combo for $500 somewhere which doesn't seem to be for sale anymore.
I've got a P800. And yeah the MSD is aids but then I don't know of anything as good as the P800 unfortunately. Besides, 128MB memsticks have come out -- even though I primarily bought this thing as a phone/mp3 combo, I'm not a very heavy user of MP3s so I suppose I can make do with 128. (Well, that or I could hack some sort of reverse MSD adapter and get one of those fancy pants 1Gb Memory Sticks ... they're pin for pin compatible, trouble is I'm 99% sure the P800 OS will choke on it)