As someone else mentioned, it was worded that way to get you to NOT think about xml...as it was already chosen as the data transfer format of choice for Collada. IE: Trust that the people that worked on this put the required thought into choosing to use XML. There is no point in arguing about the implications of XML in general as people are for whatever asinine reason.
I damned well did get the context, it is YOU that insists it means something that it clearly did not. Especially since the author of that post clarified that themselves as well.
FUD. I already responded at the same level as your post, so read that for a lot of why, but I will respond directly to a couple of points.
Does anyone remember the PS2 launch? Anyone at all? Same pile of shit, different console. Ahh, and look at how the PS2 crashed and burned...riiight.
As well, and I'll state this again...if you also buy the addons required for the 360 to match what the PS3 comes with out of the box...they're almost identical in price!!! Nevermind that if you look at the PS2 launch price, throw in inflation, and oh looky there! PS3 launch price. Nevermind what you get out of the box with it. Nevermind that you can't put a PC together with the same features for that price. And nevermind that 2 years from now it'll be selling for ~300$.
Then you try to compare it to 3D0. How many games play on the PS3? Care to hazard a guess? Anyone? Lets just say that it is, right now, exponentially more than 3D0 EVER had.
Nevermind that when the 3D0 came out, the just sat there for the most part...just about NO one was buying the damned things. Yep, very very similar to the PS3...Sony just can't unload the damned things...sheesh.
Getting tired of all the PS3 bashing. A week ago, I didn't care really either way, never been an early adopter. Historically, I'm a sony guy, never been wronged by them. My oldest electronics are all Sony. Heck, my phone is Sony, it's ~15 years old. I've had a dozen other cordless phones over the past 6 years or so...and guess what the ONLY one that keeps on ticking is?
Anyways, back to the point. My wife won a PS3 at her staff christmas party this past weekend. Now that I've got one in my hands I can absolutely say without a doubt that there is a TON of FUD surrounding this machine. It is not a PS2. It's a media centre plain and simple. It is a VERY impressive bit of kit. In typical Sony fashion, it's an incredibly well engineered console.
Let me list a few things:
1) Add it up. To get an xbox 360, with comparable addons to what the PS3 ships with...you are within $50 dollars of the price of the PS3. 2) You can't put a PC together with all of the features in the PS3 for the price it is selling for. 3) It Just Works 4) Yet again, it really is fully backwards compatible. (The ONLY complaints in this area is that it doesn't upsample ps2 games to 1080p very well. Cry me a frickin river. The PS2 didn't support that, PS2 games don't support that...god forbid Sony wasn't able to squeeze that 'magic' feature in there for all older games) 5) Browsing the internet within 5 minutes of pulling it out of the box. 6) Bluetooth and USB2. The number of standard PC peripherals that 'just work' with it is freaking awesome.
Oh, and know what? Yeah, it's the 'crippled' 20g version. Crippled my ass. The ONLY thing that is even remotely lacking when comparing the two is the built in network wifi. Nothing that my 40$ wifi bridge I already had in my entertainment unit didn't instantly solve.
Bash it all you want, but I'll tell you a couple things right now: a) It's here to stay b) It is NOT and will not be a flop and c) All the bs bashing is really just helping Sony anyways, so keep it up:)
Ahh, and after doing some research into the 'overwhelming number of defective units'...bullshit. Pure bullshit. This has not been substantiated ANYWHERE. Most of the units that Sony has taken back have not actually been broken in any way. People are sending them back for being hot. (They blow a lot of heat, but aren't actually all that hot themseoves). People are sending them back because they can't turn it on. (The buttons on the front of the unit aren't standard 'buttons', they use some sort of a sensor that triggers from the electrical conductivity of your skin) People are sending them back because the composite cable 'doesn't work'.
Anecdote on that last one. Upon receiving this unit, I was somewhat biased due to all the FUD about the number of defective units etc etc (crap is everywhere). Hearing that half of all units have been returned etc etc. (Completely and utterly untrue) Plugged it in, got it up and running etc. Threw in Talladega Nights just for kicks. A few minutes into playback, screen goes blank...audio is still there. I check the usual suspects..wiggle the composite cable a bit and there we go. ARgh...I MUST have a defective unit...ah well I'll deal for a few days to see if it's a real problem. I move the unit elsewhere in my stereo unit the next day. Plug it all in, and nothing will output to my TV. Play with the composite cable, and it feels like there is something keeping it from inserting properly...must be defective. Try a bit more force...nope. Dammit. Don't want to break it...ahh fuck it.
Sure enough, if you actually push the cable in, it locks in place snugly. The ONLY reason that I didn't realize this right away is because of all the BS out there about what a piece of crap the PS3 is. I bought into it.
In fact, the truth is that it is incredibly well engineered. Now I know.
Nobody is perfect, sure they were overly optimistic with their original release plans...shit happens when you're depending on bleeding edge tech for
Yep, though they are different tools and each have valid uses. I believe that you can get your hands on AutoCAD for a LOT less money than SolidWorks...that puppy ain't cheap. If you don't need all the solid modeling capabilities of SolidWorks, there's really nothing wrong with AutoCAD.
SolidWorks is an awesome package though. I've got a few friends in the automotive industry that basically get paid to play in solidworks all day. Yes, I said 'play'...most of them feel like they're being paid to play a video game all day;) I've played with it myself a bit, and it truly is one of the most intuitive 3D modelling packages out there, very easy to learn. Hard to master, but really only because of the massive scope available within SolidWorks...it doesn't just allow physical modeling of 3D shapes, but also handles modeling of material properties and on and on and on.
That piece of software alone makes me wish I'd gone with mechanical engineering instead of programming. Ah well, might just have to make the switch one day.
Tell me, what are the most common technologies used for programming web pages?
Right. JavaScript, Java, and Flash.
Did I say anywhere that Java == JavaScript? No, I did not. Did I mention COBOL? No I didn't. Just because it can be done doesn't mean people do.
Both Java and JavaScript are HEAVILY used to provide rich client functionality. These are the technologies that web developers actually use, regularly. God forbid they come up in the same conversation.
That's all that I was getting at. Just because someone mentions Java and JavaScript in the same conversation does NOT mean that they don't know the difference between them as a number of people, including yourself, like to assume. Even when it is quite obvious that that is not the case.
Arguing for the sake of arguing...got nothing better to do today?
Do you mean JavaScript, or do you mean the differences between IE and Mozilla...particularly with respect to DOM, css etc etc?
Or do you know where JavaScript ends and the browser starts?
This is a very important distinction that just about NO one around here bothers to acknowledge.
Let me put it to you this way: If I write a lovely little piece of code in C++ on windows, it does some nice file manipulation things, very handy. And now I try to run it on Linux...Oh, wait...better compile it for Linux first...oh wait, that lib I was using doesn't exist for Linux...
Is it C++ that is the problem? Um, no, not hardly.
Starting to see the problem here? I really do hope so.
You don't know what you are talking about. JavaScript itself is VERY consistent across implementations.
You even said it yourself, it's where JavaScript attaches to the browser that inconsistencies arise...ahh, but this is the fault of JavaScript apparently. How so?
Learn how to use the tools at hand. JavaScript is actually very simple to write compliant, consistent and reliable code that just works on all the major browsers, WITHOUT code forks. That is a fact, period. This is what I do for a living.
Man, the number of people that have been modded up for slamming FUD about JavaScript around is mind boggling...and invariably what I'm seeing rather is blatant statements of lack of knowledge and incompetence.
If you smash your thumb with a hammer, does that mean the hammer is flawed? No, it doesn't.
Please, learn the tools of your trade, or kindly shut up about it. You're not helping anyone here.
FUD, plain and simple. This is what I do for a living, and that is just pure bull crap, period.
I have one single JavaScript abstraction file, ~100 lines of code, that attaches and manipulates certain attachment points from JavaScript to the browser via prototyping etc to get the less compliant browsers to support the same code as the compliant ones.
Then I write my code. And surprise! It works on all of them. And I'm not talking one little feature here. Dynamic positioning, content creation, form manipulation, response handling etc etc etc.
It's NEVER the javascript that is the problem getting it all to work on all the big browsers. It's ALWAYS tweaking the CSS and layout to be consistent across the browsers.
JavaScript is perfect for it's designed and intended purpose. Please, learn how to use it instead of bashing it out of hand. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Tell me this, what languages can you use to render content within a browser, on the client?
It is completely obvious that THAT is why a few people have mentioned Java and JavaScript in the same sentence throughout the course of this thread. They are related, in that they are a subset of a small list of viable browser client languages. Actually, there really are only 3: Java, JavaScript, and Flash. Few consider Flash to be a language per se, thus we're left with Java and JavaScript.
It's only come to this because Nintendo was trying to be nice by offering a strap for those that have trouble holding on to things.
Now the lawyers can argue that since Nintendo provided this as part of the product, and since it doesn't hold up in all cases (Regardless of _how_ the damned thing fails, doesn't matter to them), well it's time to sue.
If Nintendo had not added the strap, this couldn't have happened.
Should there be a class action lawsuit against the makers of baseball bats...because when you swing one of those and let go...
Ahh, but since there is no strap provided with a baseball bat, there can be no defective strap.
But because Nintendo chose to be nice and add a little extra feature to their controller, this strap, to help those that can't figure out how to hold on to a remote control...and because that little strap doesn't hold up under abusive circumstances....
Christ, there are SO many things wrong with this. All I can say is Fuck The Lawyers.
He means companies don't run that in production. There will be no need to install SQL Server 2005 on a Vista Desktop workstation for a production system. For anyone that thinks there is, you might want to rethink your line of work;)
Express has some minor issues on Vista, but it does work with some tweaking. Once SP2 final is released for it the problems will be solved.
Bottom line is that the release of Vista, and the not quite finished issues with SQL Express on Vista, are only a problem if you're looking at moving dev workstations over to a vista environment Real Soon Now. Unless you're targetting Vista apps and MUST do this now, as with every other major OS release, you'd be daft to move your dev teams over to it just because it's New and Shiny. It's just not a good idea.
There really is no problem here. Nothing new, nothing that hasn't happened before many times, nothing that is anything more than a minor inconvenience for the must have early adopters...most devs aren't and shouldn't be in that category.
A dev environment on your laptop is not the same as a staging or deployment scenario. Yes, as you state, you can get this stuff to work...if you must...but it is debatable whether it is a good thing or not. It is by FAR easier and more reliable to run local dev tools for development, ESPECIALLY when isolated to a single machine like a laptop. SQL Express is the right tool for this for just about everyone out there.
I don't get your attitude or POV. I said it above, and I'll say it again...something just doesn't add up about your comments. I can't put my finger on it, but something is very fishy.
Either way, do what you will, but what's the need to be such an ass to anyone that is simply trying to point out that what you're trying to do, for most people, simply isn't a very good idea?
Where do you work? I just want to make sure there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that I will ever even think of working there.
Sounds like you work in a code sweat shop, or is it as a spam broker, both maybe? I just get a really really uncomfortable feeling after reading your posts. Something stinks in Denmark I tell you.
What are you actually accusing him of lying about?
He said he DIDN'T use DTS, he used ssis.
Heck, anyone that has used SQL server much basically gave up on DTS years ago and went with other products. Personally, we've been using SQL Delta for a few years now for these kinds of tasks.
So where is he lying? I can't find it, and you've now directly accused him twice of doing so without backing it up or stating what he was lying about.
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If you ignore context maybe.
As someone else mentioned, it was worded that way to get you to NOT think about xml...as it was already chosen as the data transfer format of choice for Collada. IE: Trust that the people that worked on this put the required thought into choosing to use XML. There is no point in arguing about the implications of XML in general as people are for whatever asinine reason.
Man is it nice to hear from someone else that actually gets it. Keep up the good work :)
Java, JavaScript, CSS, HTML and affiliated stuff.
There, does that make it better for you?
I damned well did get the context, it is YOU that insists it means something that it clearly did not. Especially since the author of that post clarified that themselves as well.
FUD. I already responded at the same level as your post, so read that for a lot of why, but I will respond directly to a couple of points.
Does anyone remember the PS2 launch? Anyone at all? Same pile of shit, different console. Ahh, and look at how the PS2 crashed and burned...riiight.
As well, and I'll state this again...if you also buy the addons required for the 360 to match what the PS3 comes with out of the box...they're almost identical in price!!! Nevermind that if you look at the PS2 launch price, throw in inflation, and oh looky there! PS3 launch price. Nevermind what you get out of the box with it. Nevermind that you can't put a PC together with the same features for that price. And nevermind that 2 years from now it'll be selling for ~300$.
Then you try to compare it to 3D0. How many games play on the PS3? Care to hazard a guess? Anyone? Lets just say that it is, right now, exponentially more than 3D0 EVER had.
Nevermind that when the 3D0 came out, the just sat there for the most part...just about NO one was buying the damned things. Yep, very very similar to the PS3...Sony just can't unload the damned things...sheesh.
Getting tired of all the PS3 bashing. A week ago, I didn't care really either way, never been an early adopter. Historically, I'm a sony guy, never been wronged by them. My oldest electronics are all Sony. Heck, my phone is Sony, it's ~15 years old. I've had a dozen other cordless phones over the past 6 years or so...and guess what the ONLY one that keeps on ticking is?
:)
Anyways, back to the point. My wife won a PS3 at her staff christmas party this past weekend. Now that I've got one in my hands I can absolutely say without a doubt that there is a TON of FUD surrounding this machine. It is not a PS2. It's a media centre plain and simple. It is a VERY impressive bit of kit. In typical Sony fashion, it's an incredibly well engineered console.
Let me list a few things:
1) Add it up. To get an xbox 360, with comparable addons to what the PS3 ships with...you are within $50 dollars of the price of the PS3.
2) You can't put a PC together with all of the features in the PS3 for the price it is selling for.
3) It Just Works
4) Yet again, it really is fully backwards compatible. (The ONLY complaints in this area is that it doesn't upsample ps2 games to 1080p very well. Cry me a frickin river. The PS2 didn't support that, PS2 games don't support that...god forbid Sony wasn't able to squeeze that 'magic' feature in there for all older games)
5) Browsing the internet within 5 minutes of pulling it out of the box.
6) Bluetooth and USB2. The number of standard PC peripherals that 'just work' with it is freaking awesome.
Oh, and know what? Yeah, it's the 'crippled' 20g version. Crippled my ass. The ONLY thing that is even remotely lacking when comparing the two is the built in network wifi. Nothing that my 40$ wifi bridge I already had in my entertainment unit didn't instantly solve.
Bash it all you want, but I'll tell you a couple things right now:
a) It's here to stay
b) It is NOT and will not be a flop
and c) All the bs bashing is really just helping Sony anyways, so keep it up
Ahh, and after doing some research into the 'overwhelming number of defective units'...bullshit. Pure bullshit. This has not been substantiated ANYWHERE. Most of the units that Sony has taken back have not actually been broken in any way. People are sending them back for being hot. (They blow a lot of heat, but aren't actually all that hot themseoves). People are sending them back because they can't turn it on. (The buttons on the front of the unit aren't standard 'buttons', they use some sort of a sensor that triggers from the electrical conductivity of your skin) People are sending them back because the composite cable 'doesn't work'.
Anecdote on that last one. Upon receiving this unit, I was somewhat biased due to all the FUD about the number of defective units etc etc (crap is everywhere). Hearing that half of all units have been returned etc etc. (Completely and utterly untrue) Plugged it in, got it up and running etc. Threw in Talladega Nights just for kicks. A few minutes into playback, screen goes blank...audio is still there. I check the usual suspects..wiggle the composite cable a bit and there we go. ARgh...I MUST have a defective unit...ah well I'll deal for a few days to see if it's a real problem. I move the unit elsewhere in my stereo unit the next day. Plug it all in, and nothing will output to my TV. Play with the composite cable, and it feels like there is something keeping it from inserting properly...must be defective. Try a bit more force...nope. Dammit. Don't want to break it...ahh fuck it.
Sure enough, if you actually push the cable in, it locks in place snugly. The ONLY reason that I didn't realize this right away is because of all the BS out there about what a piece of crap the PS3 is. I bought into it.
In fact, the truth is that it is incredibly well engineered. Now I know.
Nobody is perfect, sure they were overly optimistic with their original release plans...shit happens when you're depending on bleeding edge tech for
Yep, though they are different tools and each have valid uses. I believe that you can get your hands on AutoCAD for a LOT less money than SolidWorks...that puppy ain't cheap. If you don't need all the solid modeling capabilities of SolidWorks, there's really nothing wrong with AutoCAD.
;) I've played with it myself a bit, and it truly is one of the most intuitive 3D modelling packages out there, very easy to learn. Hard to master, but really only because of the massive scope available within SolidWorks...it doesn't just allow physical modeling of 3D shapes, but also handles modeling of material properties and on and on and on.
SolidWorks is an awesome package though. I've got a few friends in the automotive industry that basically get paid to play in solidworks all day. Yes, I said 'play'...most of them feel like they're being paid to play a video game all day
That piece of software alone makes me wish I'd gone with mechanical engineering instead of programming. Ah well, might just have to make the switch one day.
Holy pedantic batman.
Tell me, what are the most common technologies used for programming web pages?
Right. JavaScript, Java, and Flash.
Did I say anywhere that Java == JavaScript? No, I did not. Did I mention COBOL? No I didn't. Just because it can be done doesn't mean people do.
Both Java and JavaScript are HEAVILY used to provide rich client functionality. These are the technologies that web developers actually use, regularly. God forbid they come up in the same conversation.
That's all that I was getting at. Just because someone mentions Java and JavaScript in the same conversation does NOT mean that they don't know the difference between them as a number of people, including yourself, like to assume. Even when it is quite obvious that that is not the case.
Arguing for the sake of arguing...got nothing better to do today?
Do you mean JavaScript, or do you mean the differences between IE and Mozilla...particularly with respect to DOM, css etc etc?
Or do you know where JavaScript ends and the browser starts?
This is a very important distinction that just about NO one around here bothers to acknowledge.
Let me put it to you this way: If I write a lovely little piece of code in C++ on windows, it does some nice file manipulation things, very handy. And now I try to run it on Linux...Oh, wait...better compile it for Linux first...oh wait, that lib I was using doesn't exist for Linux...
Is it C++ that is the problem? Um, no, not hardly.
Starting to see the problem here? I really do hope so.
You don't know what you are talking about. JavaScript itself is VERY consistent across implementations.
You even said it yourself, it's where JavaScript attaches to the browser that inconsistencies arise...ahh, but this is the fault of JavaScript apparently. How so?
Learn how to use the tools at hand. JavaScript is actually very simple to write compliant, consistent and reliable code that just works on all the major browsers, WITHOUT code forks. That is a fact, period. This is what I do for a living.
Man, the number of people that have been modded up for slamming FUD about JavaScript around is mind boggling...and invariably what I'm seeing rather is blatant statements of lack of knowledge and incompetence.
If you smash your thumb with a hammer, does that mean the hammer is flawed? No, it doesn't.
Please, learn the tools of your trade, or kindly shut up about it. You're not helping anyone here.
FUD, plain and simple. This is what I do for a living, and that is just pure bull crap, period.
I have one single JavaScript abstraction file, ~100 lines of code, that attaches and manipulates certain attachment points from JavaScript to the browser via prototyping etc to get the less compliant browsers to support the same code as the compliant ones.
Then I write my code. And surprise! It works on all of them. And I'm not talking one little feature here. Dynamic positioning, content creation, form manipulation, response handling etc etc etc.
It's NEVER the javascript that is the problem getting it all to work on all the big browsers. It's ALWAYS tweaking the CSS and layout to be consistent across the browsers.
JavaScript is perfect for it's designed and intended purpose. Please, learn how to use it instead of bashing it out of hand. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Tell me this, what languages can you use to render content within a browser, on the client?
It is completely obvious that THAT is why a few people have mentioned Java and JavaScript in the same sentence throughout the course of this thread. They are related, in that they are a subset of a small list of viable browser client languages. Actually, there really are only 3: Java, JavaScript, and Flash. Few consider Flash to be a language per se, thus we're left with Java and JavaScript.
A decade later and you're still getting your panties in a bundle over it?
;)
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Oh, and btw, it's all small stuff
Been doing that for years.
But man is it hard keeping track of all my own 'identities'. What a PITA. Necessary evil though.
It's only come to this because Nintendo was trying to be nice by offering a strap for those that have trouble holding on to things.
Now the lawyers can argue that since Nintendo provided this as part of the product, and since it doesn't hold up in all cases (Regardless of _how_ the damned thing fails, doesn't matter to them), well it's time to sue.
If Nintendo had not added the strap, this couldn't have happened.
How completely fucked up is that?
Nintendo should have left the strap off.
Should there be a class action lawsuit against the makers of baseball bats...because when you swing one of those and let go...
Ahh, but since there is no strap provided with a baseball bat, there can be no defective strap.
But because Nintendo chose to be nice and add a little extra feature to their controller, this strap, to help those that can't figure out how to hold on to a remote control...and because that little strap doesn't hold up under abusive circumstances....
Christ, there are SO many things wrong with this. All I can say is Fuck The Lawyers.
Here in Canada, I don't pay higher insurance rates and I have all gas appliances.
Not worthy of a response, nice flame though.
Someone with mod points nuke this please.
He means companies don't run that in production. There will be no need to install SQL Server 2005 on a Vista Desktop workstation for a production system. For anyone that thinks there is, you might want to rethink your line of work ;)
Express has some minor issues on Vista, but it does work with some tweaking. Once SP2 final is released for it the problems will be solved.
Bottom line is that the release of Vista, and the not quite finished issues with SQL Express on Vista, are only a problem if you're looking at moving dev workstations over to a vista environment Real Soon Now. Unless you're targetting Vista apps and MUST do this now, as with every other major OS release, you'd be daft to move your dev teams over to it just because it's New and Shiny. It's just not a good idea.
There really is no problem here. Nothing new, nothing that hasn't happened before many times, nothing that is anything more than a minor inconvenience for the must have early adopters...most devs aren't and shouldn't be in that category.
Dude, you're living in a house of cards.
A dev environment on your laptop is not the same as a staging or deployment scenario. Yes, as you state, you can get this stuff to work...if you must...but it is debatable whether it is a good thing or not. It is by FAR easier and more reliable to run local dev tools for development, ESPECIALLY when isolated to a single machine like a laptop. SQL Express is the right tool for this for just about everyone out there.
I don't get your attitude or POV. I said it above, and I'll say it again...something just doesn't add up about your comments. I can't put my finger on it, but something is very fishy.
Either way, do what you will, but what's the need to be such an ass to anyone that is simply trying to point out that what you're trying to do, for most people, simply isn't a very good idea?
Wow, you're a real piece of work.
Where do you work? I just want to make sure there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that I will ever even think of working there.
Sounds like you work in a code sweat shop, or is it as a spam broker, both maybe? I just get a really really uncomfortable feeling after reading your posts. Something stinks in Denmark I tell you.
What are you actually accusing him of lying about?
He said he DIDN'T use DTS, he used ssis.
Heck, anyone that has used SQL server much basically gave up on DTS years ago and went with other products. Personally, we've been using SQL Delta for a few years now for these kinds of tasks.
So where is he lying? I can't find it, and you've now directly accused him twice of doing so without backing it up or stating what he was lying about.
Thank you. I knew there was something fundamentally wrong with that entire argument, just couldn't put my finger on it.
No, there isn't. Well, sad? Yes. Tragic? No.
However, when it's your species that caused the extinction due to negligence, I'd suggest that it's at least worth a bit of naval gazing.
Yes, and we must have a lot of guilt if our typical first response is to make jokes about it.
Ahh, so respecting your mother, a single solitary person, is more important than respecting an entire species?
Good to know what kind of morality we're working with here.