You can bet that's what they're expecting. Whether they'll get it will depend on exactly how far the consumer will go on the console side before piracy will start to look more attractive than putting up with the hassle of trying to be honest.
Well, at least there are games without nonsensical DRM
Unfortunately, they're getting few and far-between these days. And many PC developers (not all, but a lot of big names) have come up with some of the most insane DRM schemes of late. It's nuts that you would even need an internet connection to play Skyrim, for example. But if you play it on a PC, you do (not so on a console, but you can bet that's going to follow suit soon enough).
Do you have principals of your own or do you just complain about other people's?
Yeah, and one of them is that, when I'm faced with people who disagree with me or a decision that doesn't go my way, I don't throw a temper tantrum and run home crying.
With downloadable content, the console makers will probably develop into a more Steam-like service, with discounts for older games taking the place of used sales.
the idea of killing the used games market doesn't make much sense
It does if you're looking to appease developers. And if you think that killing the used console game market is going to hurt developer profits, I would like to submit exhibit A: The PC game industry.
Unfortunately, the consumer suffers. But what's new, huh?
Soon, someone will create a social network app that limits posters to one short word, and/or one video of a douchebag face-planting into a tree. The public will embrace it with slavish devotion, every old fart on CNN will sign up for it in a desperate bid to show that they're still hip with the kids, and all subsequent public discourse will be reduced to exchanges like:
@ballz: Hey @iluvvampires: Wsup? @wolfCNN: Hello. @hotgirl234: Yeah! @Avenger938: Ha! [video of drunk guy running into tree on motorcycle]
an organization who's sole purpose is the destruction of life.
That is not, and has never been, even a *primary* purpose of DARPA, much less its sole purpose.
See, it's that kind of hyperbole and silly absolutism that seems to ruin every decent goddamned movement. The Occupy movement was a great example. Started out as a perfectly reasonable movement with legitimate complaints with potentially broad appeal. But five minutes later, here come the assholes in Che Guevara t-shirts calling for the overthrow of capitalism, and BAM--it turns into yet another go-nowhere fringe movement almost overnight. And that's a real shame.
From what I gather, it was one of those generic DARPA "We want to encourage the engineers of the future!" grants that they hand out for PR more than anything.
isn't that exactly what Mitch Altman has decided to do?
Well, that and throw a public hissy-fit and abandon the organization that's doing more to encourage invention and hackerspaces than any other group out there. It's not like anyone was stopping him from speaking his mind and encouraging people to build stuff more inline with his ideals. Instead, he elected to storm off like a petulant Eric Cartman crying "If you're not going to do it *MY* way, then screw you guys!"
That's the problem with most activists. They're all for freedom, just as long as people only use that freedom to agree with them. He wants Maker Faire to accept sponsors, of course, but only those that fit into *his* ideals.
And I bet this guy would go ballistic if someone dared try to tell him what he can and can't build or invent. But now that he's confronted with the possibility of people using *their* freedom to build stuff that *he* doesn't like (for a sponsor that doesn't fit in with *his* vision), suddenly he wants to take his ball and go home.
Also, last time I checked, Maker Faire wasn't forcing anyone to build anything. If you don't want to build stuff with military applications, then you know what--JUST DON'T!
I don't think it's fair to compare a moment of slight humiliation at being strip searched to the very real risk of an inmate attacking a guard with a smuggled weapon.
I generally am pretty pro-civil rights, but if I were going into a jail or prison I would probably rather have someone strip search me than to get shanked later by some psycho who snuck in a knife. And it's also a pretty shitty message to send to guards to say "A minor issue of prisoner privacy is more important to us than your safety."
Maybe you can make the "slippery slope" argument on this, but some sort of strip search on prison admission is hardly a new issue. They've been doing it for decades now.
Nonsense, my cousin has been in startup mode for longer than that. My other relatives call it "unemployed and living in his parents' basement" but I think they're just being Negative Nancies.
I bet it honestly never occured to the guys who did this thing that someone might use it for creepy stuff. Sometimes you can do something with innocent enough intentions only to realize later "Holy shit, someone could use this for some pretty bad purposes!" So it may be best to cut them some slack and assume that they honestly did just mean this as a way for willing/non-creepy people to meet up in meatspace. I bet there are a lot of similar apps out there being used for stuff that they were never designed for, particularly in an age where way too many young people think nothing of posting every detail of their life and personal musing online for the world to see.
I actually considered abandoning Windows myself for it, after a friend showed me what OS/2 Warp could do (its multitasking blew away Windows 3.1, and unlike Mac's, it could run DOS games/software). It may have succeeded if it Warp had come out just a couple of years earlier. As it was, it only beat Win 95 to market by a year or so, and so most people just held out for another year and stuck with Windows.
If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account.... If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do
You expect this kind of craven, heavy-handed behavior out of a Samsung or a Panasonic, sure. But Sony?!?!?
But seriously, it's been clear that developers have been asking for this for some time. They already killed the used market for PC's. Now it's console time. Sadly, I suspect MS and Nintendo will follow suit if Sony goes through with it.
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You can bet that's what they're expecting. Whether they'll get it will depend on exactly how far the consumer will go on the console side before piracy will start to look more attractive than putting up with the hassle of trying to be honest.
Well, at least there are games without nonsensical DRM
Unfortunately, they're getting few and far-between these days. And many PC developers (not all, but a lot of big names) have come up with some of the most insane DRM schemes of late. It's nuts that you would even need an internet connection to play Skyrim, for example. But if you play it on a PC, you do (not so on a console, but you can bet that's going to follow suit soon enough).
Do you have principals of your own or do you just complain about other people's?
Yeah, and one of them is that, when I'm faced with people who disagree with me or a decision that doesn't go my way, I don't throw a temper tantrum and run home crying.
With downloadable content, the console makers will probably develop into a more Steam-like service, with discounts for older games taking the place of used sales.
Well, one HOPES anyway.
I'll stay on my PC.
Yeah, you can always buy PC games used!! And no one would even *think* of requiring an always on internet connection for a PC game.
Oh wait...
the idea of killing the used games market doesn't make much sense
It does if you're looking to appease developers. And if you think that killing the used console game market is going to hurt developer profits, I would like to submit exhibit A: The PC game industry.
Unfortunately, the consumer suffers. But what's new, huh?
But you can't prove they DON'T contain child pornography!!
Of course, you also can't prove that unicorns DON'T exist, but that's irrelevant, of course. Now, go watch American Idol or the terrorists win.
Throw the servers in water!!! If they don't drown, they be in congress with Satan!!!!
I am clutching my pearls even as we speak.
Do you think it's possible there could also be T E R R O R I S T S using this too?!?!?!?
Soon, someone will create a social network app that limits posters to one short word, and/or one video of a douchebag face-planting into a tree. The public will embrace it with slavish devotion, every old fart on CNN will sign up for it in a desperate bid to show that they're still hip with the kids, and all subsequent public discourse will be reduced to exchanges like:
@ballz: Hey
@iluvvampires: Wsup?
@wolfCNN: Hello.
@hotgirl234: Yeah!
@Avenger938: Ha! [video of drunk guy running into tree on motorcycle]
an organization who's sole purpose is the destruction of life.
That is not, and has never been, even a *primary* purpose of DARPA, much less its sole purpose.
See, it's that kind of hyperbole and silly absolutism that seems to ruin every decent goddamned movement. The Occupy movement was a great example. Started out as a perfectly reasonable movement with legitimate complaints with potentially broad appeal. But five minutes later, here come the assholes in Che Guevara t-shirts calling for the overthrow of capitalism, and BAM--it turns into yet another go-nowhere fringe movement almost overnight. And that's a real shame.
From what I gather, it was one of those generic DARPA "We want to encourage the engineers of the future!" grants that they hand out for PR more than anything.
isn't that exactly what Mitch Altman has decided to do?
Well, that and throw a public hissy-fit and abandon the organization that's doing more to encourage invention and hackerspaces than any other group out there. It's not like anyone was stopping him from speaking his mind and encouraging people to build stuff more inline with his ideals. Instead, he elected to storm off like a petulant Eric Cartman crying "If you're not going to do it *MY* way, then screw you guys!"
That's the problem with most activists. They're all for freedom, just as long as people only use that freedom to agree with them. He wants Maker Faire to accept sponsors, of course, but only those that fit into *his* ideals.
And I bet this guy would go ballistic if someone dared try to tell him what he can and can't build or invent. But now that he's confronted with the possibility of people using *their* freedom to build stuff that *he* doesn't like (for a sponsor that doesn't fit in with *his* vision), suddenly he wants to take his ball and go home.
Also, last time I checked, Maker Faire wasn't forcing anyone to build anything. If you don't want to build stuff with military applications, then you know what--JUST DON'T!
1 million gallons of dirty water sounds bad--until you dilute it into 350 quintillion gallons of clean water.
And hey, compared to all the fecal matter you're eating with your seafood, a little cesium is nothing.
I don't think it's fair to compare a moment of slight humiliation at being strip searched to the very real risk of an inmate attacking a guard with a smuggled weapon.
Only if you're detained in the general population of a prison or jail.
I generally am pretty pro-civil rights, but if I were going into a jail or prison I would probably rather have someone strip search me than to get shanked later by some psycho who snuck in a knife. And it's also a pretty shitty message to send to guards to say "A minor issue of prisoner privacy is more important to us than your safety."
Maybe you can make the "slippery slope" argument on this, but some sort of strip search on prison admission is hardly a new issue. They've been doing it for decades now.
Try posting an ad over at 4chan sometime. At least /. will just make fun of you.
Jeez, give them another 11 years and they'll get to it. Everyone is in such a rush these days.
Nonsense, my cousin has been in startup mode for longer than that. My other relatives call it "unemployed and living in his parents' basement" but I think they're just being Negative Nancies.
But was there a point to this?
I bet it honestly never occured to the guys who did this thing that someone might use it for creepy stuff. Sometimes you can do something with innocent enough intentions only to realize later "Holy shit, someone could use this for some pretty bad purposes!" So it may be best to cut them some slack and assume that they honestly did just mean this as a way for willing/non-creepy people to meet up in meatspace. I bet there are a lot of similar apps out there being used for stuff that they were never designed for, particularly in an age where way too many young people think nothing of posting every detail of their life and personal musing online for the world to see.
I actually considered abandoning Windows myself for it, after a friend showed me what OS/2 Warp could do (its multitasking blew away Windows 3.1, and unlike Mac's, it could run DOS games/software). It may have succeeded if it Warp had come out just a couple of years earlier. As it was, it only beat Win 95 to market by a year or so, and so most people just held out for another year and stuck with Windows.
If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account. ... If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do
You expect this kind of craven, heavy-handed behavior out of a Samsung or a Panasonic, sure. But Sony?!?!?
But seriously, it's been clear that developers have been asking for this for some time. They already killed the used market for PC's. Now it's console time. Sadly, I suspect MS and Nintendo will follow suit if Sony goes through with it.