I know you and your website! I got into an email argument with you over the ZDNet forums! Dammit. Linux and open source does not mean less jobs for programmers. SGI messed up royally on its own. Sun was eating its lunch in the Unix market. Don't blame Linux for SGI messing up. Now you better register a user name or login before I expose you to the world! Hahhahaah just kidding.:O
So basically some channel you wanted was already registered by someone and the person who registered it didn't get along with you and kick/banned you huh? Awwwww poor baby!
So because of this you are pissed that services exist and rob you of the power of hijacking a channel someone has already setup shop in huh?
Its called life buddy. This is how life works. People are nice to you when you are nice to them and vice versa, and people aren't nice to you when you aren't nice to them. That doesn't give you the right to take over the location where they meet. If you are kick/banned from a channel either deal with it or adjust your attitude so you can get back in (hopefully) someday in the future. And is it SO hard to create #perl1 or something if #perl is already taken? Or do you want that name cause its popular and you want the attention to go to you instead of the current channel owner? Cause if thats the real reason you are just as bad as you say they are.
Dalnet is lame because there is no darwinism? So since a bunch of script kiddies with bad attitudes constantly ping-flood and take over channels thats supposed to make Efnet superior? In that kind of environment you supposedly get a higher class of "geek"? A better programmer? Please. What you get is a bunch of little boys with little dicks trying to prove who can "0wn j00" the best. Yeah thats impressive.
Being a predator does not make one good at anything other than being a delinquent. Delinquency is quite juvenile. What makes a good channel is stability and the ability to have a discussion without having to fight off those who consider you lame. Of course everyone thinks they are the perfect judge of ability/character so they must be right when they consider you lame. Those who don't fight to keep a channel on Efnet aren't losers, they just don't feel like playing games when all they wanted to do was chat. If you don't like newbies all you have to do is put them on ignore.
Competition? WTF do you think IRC is a market? Its a place for people to hang out. If you actually think that you are better than someone if you manage a channel then you really need to get a life. Taking a channel from someone doesn't prove anything. Its no different from shouting fire in a movie theatre. It just proves you are very immature and like to point to advanced theories of Darwinism to bolster and validate your own behavior.
So sure EFNet has and will survive these DDOS attacks. So has Undernet and Dalnet. They're all big and they'll all be around for a long time. Whats the difference? Undernet and Dalnet are for folks who appreciate maturity, discussion AND intelligence while Efnet is for those who live their lives like this: "Ohhh! J00 st0l3 my nick! Ima r00t j00!!!!!!"
Yeah thats a lovely product of Darwinism......not.
I know you were being sarcastic but you hit it dead on. We need a constant and steady supply of immigrants to do the jobs natural born Americans consider beneath them. Its only natural. And don't worry, the children of those immigrants will be just as snobbish as we are.;)
And its not that the work ethic is old school. Its what KIND of work does one want to do.
"And nothing creates an attitude problem quicker than allowing other non-technical staff to whine and complain about stuff that doesn't count. "The admins are upset you don't say hi to them in the hallways." "Joe in accounting is upset because you wouldn't integrate his spreadsheet into the enterprise."
Come on man, do you really have to be this big of an asshole? Does acting like this make you code better? Does it make your day brighter? Does it do anything good for you? I thought I was a overall jerk but you take the cake. Unless it is absolutely imperative that you be an asshole then why be one? Its more draining and eventually it will come to bite you in the ass so please tell me is it really necessary?
" It's about having a place where clued people can idle during work/school and talk to other people in similer situations. It's just a place to kick back and shoot the shit occasonally with people who are a notch or two smarter than the average people on irc. The opers generally leave the users alone, and the users generally leave the opers alone, and things are good."
And this is different from Undernet and DALnet in what ways again?
In what way is DALnet lame? They have a Nick and Channel serv. More than most nets can say.........
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This isn't a work ethic issue. Its a lifestyle issue. Mowing someone's lawn my have been respectable back in the 50's-70's but is no longer so. The reason why you can't find any kids to mow your lawn is two fold. One they already have better jobs. Real jobs. Two its beneath them, as it would be beneath me. Why would I mow your lawn and have everyone see me do that when I could just get a regular job at just about anywhere?
Just cause when you were growing up mowing folks lawns was the "thing to do" doesn't mean its acceptable anymore. And anyway, its just grass. Get one of those robo-mowers that cuts the lawn on its own. They are around $900, set it up, watch it go and drink some lemonade on your porch.:)
So what exactly are we supposed to do online. Emulating TV viewing habits, which emulate Radio listening habits seems like a good start to me! But thats not all folks do. They participate in forums like this one. They view pr0n. They play games. They talk in IRC and on AOL. They even take classes and learn about things they never have before online. But people always have to START somewhere it takes TIME to broaden your horizons on the net. So PLEASE TELL ME AND THE REST OF US WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD!!!
Uh... you DO know you can find women who will do those freaky things with you right? So is the porn still unhealthy if it leads you to actual yet kinky sex? Or is it still bad cause it makes you feel dirty?
Oh and where and how do you find these women? Why the pornographic web forums of course! Thats where people post personals with contact info so you can check them out for yourselves. So is porn still so bad if it leads to more than just jerking off?:)
"But throw a complex problems that arise in say database queries/network routing/parallel computing and without college level math/stats/cs you aren't going to get very far."
Wouldn't those be covered by an Oracle cert, a Cisco cert and only the last one require a CS degree?
"I would LOVE to find investors to do a Ricochet replacement only at speeds of about 1Mbps and better.. Wouldnt take much to start up.. Problem is finding an investor who wants his capital to go to startups in several cities at once..."
Do you have any idea of how much money it costs to build out the network of towers needed to run such a service? Eh? No I didn't think so.
Decent companies are ones with profits. No more no less. Profits are cool cause they allow a company to stay in existence and pay its employees so they can eat! Wowzers eh? Profits=good=YAY!
I think its pretty simple. Eazel never had a valid and by that I mean they never had a chance in hell way to make money. They really didn't. So all the funding that went to Eazel is funding that did NOT go to a company with a more sensible business plan. Say a plan where people would actually WANT to pay for your services, like Metricom. There were many companies like Eazel. When times were good they could do no wrong. The only thing they couldn't do was make money. Understand now?
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Oh yeah. A website named "tompaine.com" is a REAL credible source. Real mainstream as well pal. I'm a liberal myself but that website is so left wing its on a whole other bird entirely.
If anything the site just proves John is doing his job very well. What environmentalists say and proclaim MUST be questioned for it effects our economy.
John Stossel wouldn't say so......
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Did you see ABC's special report with John Stossel about how the Environmentalists are usually wrong and how they indoctrinate our children with bullshit? Its a good show try to order it if you can. After seeing it you'll see how YOU are wrong.:)
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It is basically a 3 hour jerkoff session with Freudian mother/son issues.
"The BSD license provides FREEDOM to use code as YOU see fit." ---Thats exactly the point. A company is FREE to come and take BSD code and do WHATEVER they want with it, including taking it proprietary if they wish to do so. You may have some desires down the road to take someone else's code and make it proprietary but thankfully the GPL won't allow anyone to do this. The BSD license is nothing to be proud of. Its basically a ticking time clock for when open source code will become inaccessible to the community that helped to create it. That doesn't sound very "free" to me at all.
Yeah if MS had chosen to use more open source code they WOULD have a better OS but thats not the point. We already known open source code is better for things like operating systems.
The point is what is the goal? What do you want to happen to your code? For an open source developer they have the choice of a GPL or BSD like license. If I wanted my software to be TRULY and ALWAYS free that means I need a license that will prevent a corporation from taking my code and making a few alterations on it so they can pass it off as their own. The GPL protects your code from that. The BSD does not. So basically if we want any of this to survive, all this great software that the open source community has created there really isn't much of a choice. It has to be GPL or else the code may be "open" but it will also be in danger of being taken back into the world of proprietary use. Of course if you are a developer who doesn't give a fuck either way then sure go ahead the BSD license is right up your alley.:)
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I know you and your website! I got into an email argument with you over the ZDNet forums! Dammit. Linux and open source does not mean less jobs for programmers. SGI messed up royally on its own. Sun was eating its lunch in the Unix market. Don't blame Linux for SGI messing up. Now you better register a user name or login before I expose you to the world! Hahhahaah just kidding. :O
Alright thats it. Tele-commute or I'm gonna have to let you go. Sorry.
So because of this you are pissed that services exist and rob you of the power of hijacking a channel someone has already setup shop in huh?
Its called life buddy. This is how life works. People are nice to you when you are nice to them and vice versa, and people aren't nice to you when you aren't nice to them. That doesn't give you the right to take over the location where they meet. If you are kick/banned from a channel either deal with it or adjust your attitude so you can get back in (hopefully) someday in the future. And is it SO hard to create #perl1 or something if #perl is already taken? Or do you want that name cause its popular and you want the attention to go to you instead of the current channel owner? Cause if thats the real reason you are just as bad as you say they are.
Being a predator does not make one good at anything other than being a delinquent. Delinquency is quite juvenile. What makes a good channel is stability and the ability to have a discussion without having to fight off those who consider you lame. Of course everyone thinks they are the perfect judge of ability/character so they must be right when they consider you lame. Those who don't fight to keep a channel on Efnet aren't losers, they just don't feel like playing games when all they wanted to do was chat. If you don't like newbies all you have to do is put them on ignore.
Competition? WTF do you think IRC is a market? Its a place for people to hang out. If you actually think that you are better than someone if you manage a channel then you really need to get a life. Taking a channel from someone doesn't prove anything. Its no different from shouting fire in a movie theatre. It just proves you are very immature and like to point to advanced theories of Darwinism to bolster and validate your own behavior.
So sure EFNet has and will survive these DDOS attacks. So has Undernet and Dalnet. They're all big and they'll all be around for a long time. Whats the difference? Undernet and Dalnet are for folks who appreciate maturity, discussion AND intelligence while Efnet is for those who live their lives like this: "Ohhh! J00 st0l3 my nick! Ima r00t j00!!!!!!"
Yeah thats a lovely product of Darwinism......not.
And its not that the work ethic is old school. Its what KIND of work does one want to do.
"And nothing creates an attitude problem quicker than allowing other non-technical staff to whine and complain about stuff that doesn't count. "The admins are upset you don't say hi to them in the hallways." "Joe in accounting is upset because you wouldn't integrate his spreadsheet into the enterprise."
Come on man, do you really have to be this big of an asshole? Does acting like this make you code better? Does it make your day brighter? Does it do anything good for you? I thought I was a overall jerk but you take the cake. Unless it is absolutely imperative that you be an asshole then why be one? Its more draining and eventually it will come to bite you in the ass so please tell me is it really necessary?
" It's about having a place where clued people can idle during work/school and talk to other people in similer situations. It's just a place to kick back and shoot the shit occasonally with people who are a notch or two smarter than the average people on irc. The opers generally leave the users alone, and the users generally leave the opers alone, and things are good."
And this is different from Undernet and DALnet in what ways again?
In what way is DALnet lame? They have a Nick and Channel serv. More than most nets can say.........
This isn't a work ethic issue. Its a lifestyle issue. Mowing someone's lawn my have been respectable back in the 50's-70's but is no longer so. The reason why you can't find any kids to mow your lawn is two fold. One they already have better jobs. Real jobs. Two its beneath them, as it would be beneath me. Why would I mow your lawn and have everyone see me do that when I could just get a regular job at just about anywhere?
Just cause when you were growing up mowing folks lawns was the "thing to do" doesn't mean its acceptable anymore. And anyway, its just grass. Get one of those robo-mowers that cuts the lawn on its own. They are around $900, set it up, watch it go and drink some lemonade on your porch. :)
You are mean. And you hurt my feelings. Now say you are sorry. :(
A music lover listens to the music. An audiophile listens to the equipment the music is played on. Which one do you like to do best? :)
Its a Faustian bargain thats what!
So what exactly are we supposed to do online. Emulating TV viewing habits, which emulate Radio listening habits seems like a good start to me! But thats not all folks do. They participate in forums like this one. They view pr0n. They play games. They talk in IRC and on AOL. They even take classes and learn about things they never have before online. But people always have to START somewhere it takes TIME to broaden your horizons on the net. So PLEASE TELL ME AND THE REST OF US WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD!!!
Brave words from an AC. Shut the fuck up!
Uh... you DO know you can find women who will do those freaky things with you right? So is the porn still unhealthy if it leads you to actual yet kinky sex? Or is it still bad cause it makes you feel dirty?
Oh and where and how do you find these women? Why the pornographic web forums of course! Thats where people post personals with contact info so you can check them out for yourselves. So is porn still so bad if it leads to more than just jerking off? :)
"But throw a complex problems that arise in say database queries/network routing/parallel computing and without college level math/stats/cs you aren't going to get very far."
Wouldn't those be covered by an Oracle cert, a Cisco cert and only the last one require a CS degree?
"I would LOVE to find investors to do a Ricochet replacement only at speeds of about 1Mbps and better.. Wouldnt take much to start up.. Problem is finding an investor who wants his capital to go to startups in several cities at once..." Do you have any idea of how much money it costs to build out the network of towers needed to run such a service? Eh? No I didn't think so.
Decent companies are ones with profits. No more no less. Profits are cool cause they allow a company to stay in existence and pay its employees so they can eat! Wowzers eh? Profits=good=YAY!
I think its pretty simple. Eazel never had a valid and by that I mean they never had a chance in hell way to make money. They really didn't. So all the funding that went to Eazel is funding that did NOT go to a company with a more sensible business plan. Say a plan where people would actually WANT to pay for your services, like Metricom. There were many companies like Eazel. When times were good they could do no wrong. The only thing they couldn't do was make money. Understand now?
Oh yeah. A website named "tompaine.com" is a REAL credible source. Real mainstream as well pal. I'm a liberal myself but that website is so left wing its on a whole other bird entirely. If anything the site just proves John is doing his job very well. What environmentalists say and proclaim MUST be questioned for it effects our economy.
Did you see ABC's special report with John Stossel about how the Environmentalists are usually wrong and how they indoctrinate our children with bullshit? Its a good show try to order it if you can. After seeing it you'll see how YOU are wrong. :)
It is basically a 3 hour jerkoff session with Freudian mother/son issues.
"The BSD license provides FREEDOM to use code as YOU see fit." ---Thats exactly the point. A company is FREE to come and take BSD code and do WHATEVER they want with it, including taking it proprietary if they wish to do so. You may have some desires down the road to take someone else's code and make it proprietary but thankfully the GPL won't allow anyone to do this. The BSD license is nothing to be proud of. Its basically a ticking time clock for when open source code will become inaccessible to the community that helped to create it. That doesn't sound very "free" to me at all.
Yeah if MS had chosen to use more open source code they WOULD have a better OS but thats not the point. We already known open source code is better for things like operating systems. The point is what is the goal? What do you want to happen to your code? For an open source developer they have the choice of a GPL or BSD like license. If I wanted my software to be TRULY and ALWAYS free that means I need a license that will prevent a corporation from taking my code and making a few alterations on it so they can pass it off as their own. The GPL protects your code from that. The BSD does not. So basically if we want any of this to survive, all this great software that the open source community has created there really isn't much of a choice. It has to be GPL or else the code may be "open" but it will also be in danger of being taken back into the world of proprietary use. Of course if you are a developer who doesn't give a fuck either way then sure go ahead the BSD license is right up your alley. :)