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mrsalty writes: "Salon is running an interview with ex-dotcommer Philip Brandes. For a modest fee ($140 US) Brandes will teach you the secret of making money in the skin trade.
" Ah, a nice respectable trade -- every parent's dream for their business-school dropout child.
> Did anyone else notice ....
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Yes, definitely. He did say he was "driving a Lincoln Navigator" two weeks after starting, but to me, that sounds like he got the money for the first lease payment, or maybe he squandered his past savings based on optimism that income from his porn sites would pick up. I've been in the biz 2 years, and I don't hear of anyone making $40K in their first two weeks. Much more common are people following his general approach (thumbnail galleries posted to free link sites), griping on the affiliate's boards that they're only making $100 this month, when last month they made $200. (You're paid per signup, so income varies a lot). I'm not exaggerating, either...that's probably the most common discussion thread on affiliate program message boards, and the numbers being discussed are usually in that range.
There are people making good money. I do fairly well, using my own techniques, but nobody's teaching them. If they were, my biz model would rapidly fall apart. This guy's approach is getting ever-diminishing returns as the market saturates. And as others have said, it's not easy money in any case. Unless you registered/bought/stole "sex.com" or a similar domain a few years ago, and can just run a banner farm. (Fuck you Gary, Rick, and Jennifer - lazy bastards!!
Right! Soon she'll move to a real OS like BSD or Solaris......... ;-)
hrm, well that partially explains the ratio of boy/girl to girl/girl scenes. Its just more expensive to produce :( dang.
Maybe a few fringe elements go after things like drinking, but most stick to limiting themselves to "underage drinking" or "drinking and driving." Things that most people would agree are not a good idea because they endanger others. Nobody has tried to ban alcohol in my city/state in my lifetime. They have tried to ban porn on multiple occaisions though. It is far and away the most persecuted of all the things he mentioned.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
The portrayal and images of women (and men :)) in porn cause the viewers of porn to have a skewed sense of women or men in general.
Really? Define "sense of women" and "sense of men." Then tell me how much the viewing of porn will skew this sense. How did you measure it? Is the amount of skew variable in port viewers? If so, what level is skew is "acceptable"?
This is not a troll. These are fair, scientific questions that I think you should be expected to answer.
Perhaps it's just the porn I've seen, but it almost always has a hard edge and women are (seemingly) being used and treated solely as sex objects. I know, I know... it's a porn... they're supposed to be sex objects..
Yes, and so what? Isn't any sex partner a "sex object" in some way? Even in a "loving, committed relationship" people are getting off on eachother.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
When you can't decide between "funny" and "insightful" it comes in handy not having any moderator points available to dispense.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
RMS and ESR in the buff, fighting for "dominance"? *Shudder*
Because it's a lot harder to find a male that can perform in front of a camera and 10 other people in the room. A woman just needs a little lube, it requires a little more from the guys...
Hmm. Actually I was taking it from a different perspective...
:)) in porn cause the viewers of porn to have a skewed sense of women or men in general. If Jenna Jamison enjoys her day at the office, there is nothing wrong with that (It's probably a lot of guys and girls ideal job). It's what the viewer gets from the porn that worries me. Perhaps it's just the porn I've seen, but it almost always has a hard edge and women are (seemingly) being used and treated solely as sex objects. I know, I know... it's a porn... they're supposed to be sex objects...
The portrayal and images of women (and men
-Tom
Firstly, I apologize for my argument being one sided. It is possible for porn to be derogatory to males as well. However, because I don't swing that way, I don't have a first hand account.
Secondly, I am far from homophobic. I argee with you. Whatever two consenting adults do in privacy (regardless of a home) is their business.
Your statement that I can't say "porn is derogatory to women (or men)" without being a woman is crazy. You're as bad as Jerry Falwell if you believe that. The moral majority will always win if no one can empathize with the minority!
-Tom
Porn, for all the grief it gets, has done more for our society than anyone realizes. Telephone sex hotlines are the reason our nation's phone system is even somewhat reliable. In the early days of video casette players, porn outsold everything else by a large margin, quickly establishing a standard and ironing out the kinks technologically for the more morally upstanding offerings to come. Streaming video? Another porn technology. Porn sites were streaming live video YEARS before RealMedia thought of it. Not that it worked very well, but it did work and the operators made a bundle.
There are two things that make the world go round: money and sex. The two have a very close relationship.
Sex is most decidedly a good thing. Without it, none of us would be here. :)
I fit in that range and I never paid anyone for a get rich quick scheme. I also bet my income is a little more stable than Mr. Average Graduate.
The two most common things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
somebody mod this guy up please!!!
Live today. Tomorrow will cost a lot more!
it took you months to get it up?
...must not be very good porn...
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Porn may or may not degrade the people who make it. It certainly has the ability to degrade the people who view it...
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Also women with the physical requirements for porn are fairly common, whereas those men are super-human.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
No no no!!! you don't hava javascript pop up your own page, you pop up 12 other pages, all of whom (for some reason) pay you $.10 per pop-up. That way even if no one is dumb enough to join your shitty site or some shitty AVS, you stell get a few bucks off of them. And since google puts your site up when someone searches for "asian anal bestiality teens" or whatever, you're getting hundreds of very very irritated viewers a day!
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
A sin to expose the body? I think you are confusing the Middle Ages with the Victorian Era. People in the Middle Ages "exposed" themselves all the time -- until very recently, in fact, most people slept in the nude. It wasn't until the rise of capitalism that some clever fashion designer invented pajamas and convinced the western world that they were mandatory somnambulic attire.
As for bathing, it's quite true that it didn't catch on until relatively modern times. But keep in mind that knowledge of indoor plumbing was very poor at that time. (Yes, ancient civilizations such as the Romans and Babylonians had indoor plumbing, but interest in ancient manuscripts was not renewed until the Renaissance.) For most people, having a bath was not as convenient as turning on the hot water tap.
Regards,
Yes, the market is saturated. People who are good, work hard, or extremely lucky will do very well, but there's lots of people who barely make beer money, and lots of others who lose a ton of money.
The days of easy money in online porn are long gone.
Despite attempts to make it play out as something different, adult sites are just business. Same principles apply: develop a desireable product or service, then market it and sell. I don't want to get into the morality issues about working in the adult industry, because that's really a personal choice; but the people in the industry are businesspeople.
Certainly, one cannot look at this market and believe it to be a shortcut to riches. It's not. Plus, the market *is* saturated. I think the hardest part about this particular industry is the marketing. Look at the saturation in the search engines alone.
I'm of the opinion that this course could be titled "General Internet Business Principles", but that naturally that wouldn't get people fighting to get in the door.
long time no see streetlawyer.......nice sig!
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There is no such thing as 'porn saturation'.
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I recommend items 1 and 3 for the very ambitious.
Hey, I serve web pages with FreeBSD, but I'm not into whips and chains enough to use it on my desktop ;).
"We all say so, so it must be true!"
This isn't as much "normalization" as it is "don't take so many drugs when you're designing tables."
"Rub her feet." -- L.L.
Oh, dear...I really can't let you get away with this.
Picture this. An aesthetically challenged male trawling the internet for those few porn pictures he hasn't got, jerking off over his key board.
This male is what is known as a sad git. If you want to be a sad git too, please consume a lot of porn.
There is nothing wrong with porn. A healthy sex drive is exactly that -- healthy.And what has porn got to do with a healthy sex drive? A sex drive is, I would have thought, something that makes you want to go and have sex, not something that encourages you to pull the cord. Face it, porn is for those with no personality who can not get laid, ever.
Would you like to limit your ability to pick up women? Then tell them how much you enjoy porn. In fact, suggest that you'd like to try whatever you saw in the streamed video you were salivating over last night. Why not ask her whether she has a best friend who would like to indulge in a threesome.
Oh, maybe your one of the disingenuous types, who doesn't look at porn, no, no, no. You only consume "erotica". Which is all very tastefully done and is designed for men AND women.
The problem with porn is it takes normal, potentially intelligent men and turns them into idiots
Just remember that attitudes like this have caused billions of deaths over the course of human history.ROFL! Puh-lease
This posting has a point. It is this. Forget porn. Go out. Meet people - lots of people. Understand yourself. Understand others. Understand the world we live in. And then maybe you'll get laid.
By 1 A.D., the world may have held about 300 million people. One estimate of the population of the Roman Empire, from Spain to Asia Minor, in 14 A.D. is 45 million. However, other historians set the figure twice as high, suggesting how imprecise population estimates of early historical periods can be.
So where was the other 210-265 million? I find it hard to believe that Asia, Africa and the Americas would have such high populations at that time.
The largest issue in my mind is food. At this time, subsistance farming was the order of the day. For 300 million people to be farming would take a HUGE amount of land, as they did not have the yields that our farms produce today. While I may be off-base, this is what bothers me regarding population figures from that far back. Feel free to correct me.
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There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -- Dr. Who
So that means that porn bashers have killed 10-20 percent of all people who ever lived? Pretty dangerous people!
Global population estimates:
1650-500 million
1700-600 million
1750-700 million
1800-900 million
1850-1300 million
1900-1700 million
1950-2500 million
1976-4000 million
2000-7000 million
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There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -- Dr. Who
Of course, quite how taking regular showers would have protected the world from a plague spread by rat fleas is a different matter ...
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The statistics regarding mental illness, drug addiction and suicide in the industry have a certain (shall we say) suggestive quality.
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A far, far more masturbastory experience than mere masturbation. Christ, if that's the alternative for society, bring on the wankers. They have a certain ... cleanliness and honesty that intellectual snobs lack.
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What? Hasn't Swordfish taught you people anything? That movie was a goldmine!
A guy who doesn't even have a porn site wants to teach others how to do one? Who's going to fall for it?
No, in this industry and any others industry is that it really depends where you are in the food chain.
;)) ), to go outside on the beach with a coupple of hot girls. We call that sociolising. Just look at the webservers I am running and on which OS too see where my preference are.
If you want to have success, you need to control traffic, from the type_in/search engines to the membership site.
without traffic, you can have all the best products, but your not going to make a dime without traffic.
Either you buy traffic or you create it. We deceided to create hundreds of free sites with unique content, so they can be indexed by search engines. Then we link those to biggers links sites that over time surfers bookmarks and we can drive easy traffic to the new sites we make., then we host others sites, and we put out publicity on their site. We push all this into our own membership sites. And it is true, someone who will invest the time and effort will succeed.
And yes, I have the time to read Slashdot at -1 (Because I tend to beleive in first amendement), I love everything that is open and that you can go see inside ( huh, yeah
And about morals, the girls we shoot pictures of cost us 5000$ a day for softcore poses because we deal in glamour niche. I don't feel I am exploiting anyone, and I have no trouble sleeping either.
By the way, I just finished Talking to Jenna Jameson, and you can go signup for her own site, she open her partnership progrtam yesterday. http://www.jennacash.com and she pay you 30$ per member you send her.
Anyways, you can attack me or my industry, but we don't put defective tires on defective vehicules, or put chemicals in your cigarettes to give you cancer. Or any of that shit.
Seriously, I push between 500 000 and 1 000 000 pages of smut to 600 000 uniques visitors a day. Check it out, you can host your porn with me a Thunder Free Adult Hosting
And you can laught all you want, I make more cash with my free porn hosting than any of you here.
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Porn is very profitable, I make more money then any of you with it, I get to sleep with the hottest girls, I get to tape them on video and I get to make money out of it. I run my own paysites, my own free sites, my own linksites, my own geocities for adult sites. It's you guys that are funny.
I'd like to ask Jenna or Kobe or Chasey or any of those other porn stars if they feel degraded.
Just because you find someone or something physically attractive does not mean you are ignorant to that person's other qualities
If someone has a great intellect, does that mean its wrong to appreciate their body? Why does everyone _always_ assume that just because someone has a good body, those who admire it do not appreciate any other part of them? Sure, we don't know them, but the same goes for any other stranger you meet. When a 30 year old doctor with a degree in nuclear physics feels insulted when you assume he's horrible in bed, is this not degrading as well? These stereotypes are brought on by YOUR ilk. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt before I meet them, I _HATE_ prejudice. Why can't you ignorant porn bashers do the same?
Hell, I _wish_ I could be a porn star...the salary must be great, and it must be one hell of a fun job.
Well I think you people that think the porn industry is degrading are more ignorant of women than people like I. It never even entered into my mind that porn degrades women. For that to happen, you would actually have to think that porn stars are somehow lesser than you. Aka, YOU are the people degrading women, not I.
So Jenna, if you're reading this and wanna have a nice intellectual conversation, I'd be up for that...if you wanna romp in the sack a bit, I'd be up for that too. Grow up you sexually immature porn bashing twits.
Magius_AR
Ya know, i think somebody actually does this...
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
"Jerry Butler in his book "Raw Talent" discussed the inequity of pay for porn actors versus actresses. He claimed that actresses made in the $1000-1500 range as their day rate, which the male actors made about a third of that, $300-500 a day. "
Directly from the adult movie FAQ.
I asked YOU to take one look. I did not say "I know for a fact." I simply asked that you yourself take a look. If you do, I believe you will be shocked and disgusted, and you might even come to conclusions similar to mine. I am not forcing my viewpoints on anyone. I am simply giving a pointer in a certain direction for those who are interested, and letting people draw their own conclusions. If that makes me a moron, so be it, I wear the title with pride. I am not your personal research service. For that, you probably couldn't afford me.
Flat5
You spoke my mind better than I did. Bravo.
Flat5
if you want to know what the porn industry is about. This is an industry that takes advantage of desperate, abused, and addicted women. A woman can decide that it's her choice to sell herself to the porn industry, but that doesn't mean it won't destroy her, no matter how she thinks she feels about it.
Hey, I'm as horny as the next guy, and I have no hangups about sex at all. I like a woman who will get freaky with me now and again. But I know that the porn industry destroys women (and men!) time after time after time, and I will not and cannot in good conscience give my own money to support such a thing. Would I like to? Hell yeah, I *like* looking at porn. Who doesn't? But I don't like that it destroys people's lives. And it does.
Flat5
A little bit more balanced and well researched article for you with some quotes:
Godwin's law has been invoked -- Nazis were mentioned in a discussion thread. This conversation is over. ;)
making money by teaching people the secret of making money ?
a. Sue someone who makes a product that includes part of the name or a string of letters similar to those in your products name saying it's your copyright even if it's just a word. Ex Illustrator
b. Sell out to Microsoft
c. Go IPO, lay off all your employees, close up shop.
Other acceptable answers would have been sell anything EXCEPT dogfood online, or Sue Spammers for 50$ a piece in California
But honestly, there are already tons of porn sites. Just about ANY search might turn up at least one. Like any industry once the market becomes saturated by so many companies people begin to make less and less money. They even begin to lose, and then it becomes a 'whose the best' competition, and in the end, a few companies end up on top, and a couple remaining companies lay around doing 'mediocre'.
And No WISE instructor is going to teach you the secret of defeating them......
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What will happen though when the pornography industry gets super saturated by thousands of people using this persons plan.
And more so, why would I take advice from an xdot comer who tried this and it didn't work for him, so now he's trying to sell me the same idea. Perhaps he thinks other people will learn to learn from his mistakes?
I think I'll start a series of classes. How to get rich quick by not giving money to get rich quick schemes.
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I worked for one of those home shopping networks. They wanted to stream the cable feed on the net, letting them expand the market while TCI held a strangle hold on the cable channels.
Anyhow, I got to make it work. Looked at WebCast Pro, Real, and a few that were more of a snapshot/ftp type thing than video streaming. I asked the sales guys for a URL of anyone using their products in production - only to watch them squirm in their chair. The WebCast sales guy was bold, however. He stated they had an internal web cam open to the public, but the people really using the product were folks doing "nature shows". I nearly choked on my coffee, but most of the folks in the meeting missed the ref and just smiled and nodded. For me, it was the first time I ever saw a billing system that was based off of a (functional) per minute phone support.
This was also one of the first times I found how slippery the sales folks can be. Another did a demo, running full screen streaming video on the server - and convinced one of the powers that be that this would work over a 14.4-28.8 modem.
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First, in case you have been living in a cave, indecent exposure is still a crime, yet bathing continues to be a regular practice. You simply go inside an enclosed room to bathe.
Second, and more importantly, you are confusing social convention with religion. They may be related, but they are not the same! This is why you can be a Catholic in Rome, France, England, or the US, all of which have different social conventions.
Lastly, since you seem to believe that religion is ONLY a matter of social convention which will eventually pass away (yes, it is partly, I admit), you must be an atheist. You might as well admit it. I certainly am.
"Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental." -Slashdot
First of all, sanitation has little to do with religion directly. The catholic church has never taken any position on it. It's easy to be smug in an era when bacteriology and virology are highly refined.
Maybe you meant to say that, as an atheist and a materialist, you felt that religion held back important scientific progress. If so, you certainly chose a confusing way to express yourself.
And in case you haven't noticed, Captain Obvious, "guilt-based" behavior (i.e. all morality) is what holds society together. And loose sexual morality tends to spread disease, not stop it.
"Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental." -Slashdot
AM I the only one who tired of people calling porn , pr0n. when I see pron, I think of seafood ,as in the little shrimp-like things.
For a good time, check out www.prawnography.net :)
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Maybe Salon.com should heed this guy's advice considering they've been going through being delisted from the NASDAQ lately.
AM I the only one who tired of people calling porn , pr0n. when I see pron, I think of seafood ,as in the little shrimp-like things. I think most people here are old enofe that they don't have to worry about that copy of "net nanny" their mom stuck on the family pc. and if your not old enofe you shood be able to figure out how to get around it by now.
just my $0.02, I'll shut up now
LMFAO!!!! That's awesome! great pun. I feel odd typing to a human after playing with the mindpixel AI at mindpixel.com
OK... One guy on this thread has already had his head handed to him for suggesting that the Pr0n industry is less than wholesome. I'm kinda libertarian, and wouldn't outlaw it, but I agree with him in principle; hear me out.
Yes, sex is a healthy thing, and a healthy outlook on it is a huge plus towards building a successful relationship, but I see the Pr0n industry as analagous to the Nude Girls! Girls! Girls! bar industry.
As someone who has seen a bit of the nude bar industry (heterosexual) from the inside (NO... not like that. I had friends that did bouncer/bodyguard work for them), there is a lot of pathology that inhabits and is attracted to those places.
I've seen that industry attract some people that were really sick/hurting, with bonafide Axis I and II psychiatric disorders. A significant number of the dancers did drugs and prostitution (some club-sanctioned, some as "independent contractors"). Ironically, a large percentage of the women in the places I knew were hard-core lesbians (they wouldn't have anything to do with a guy if their lives depended on it... ironic, considering what their male audience was thinking).
I knew exactly one (1) girl who made good, was strictly doing it for the money, and had almost six figures saved in the bank, with an eye towards getting out. The rest, it went to their scumbag boyfriend/pimp, or right up their nose... sad.
My point it this... some of the higher profile people in this industry do this as a career because they really, truly want to... between consenting adults, behind closed doors, fine.
However, I've seen some pretty vulnerable people doing this, and it's really pretty close to exploitation in some cases. Yeah, I know everyone is a legal adult, but the ones that I knew didn't last very long in the biz... a year or two max, they left at the first opportunity, and they DID NOT talk about it. You know what that tells me? It tells me that deep down they hated it, and really wanted to be doing something else.
I wouldn't outlaw it; as long as they aren't holding up liquor stores, people need to be free to live their lives in whatever manner seems appropriate for them. That having been said, it still hurts to watch people get in over their heads and self-destruct. Somehow, something about that diminishes all of us.
OK... Flame on.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
All we need, someone teaching more folks how to send spam.
Maskirovka
I bought my english papers from him all through school, wich is why I cant spell 8)
.,.go straight to pimpin'. No bandwidth requirements! No unhappy customers! Get Paid Everyday! Can't Beat the Uniform! Best of All - No Intellectual Property, ergo->No Lawyers!
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Uh... you DO know you can find women who will do those freaky things with you right? So is the porn still unhealthy if it leads you to actual yet kinky sex? Or is it still bad cause it makes you feel dirty?
Oh and where and how do you find these women? Why the pornographic web forums of course! Thats where people post personals with contact info so you can check them out for yourselves. So is porn still so bad if it leads to more than just jerking off? :)
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for example, maybe a student can major in masturbation with a minor in domination.
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Is that a statement or a request? I think www.giganticasses.com might be interested....
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"Jerry Butler in his book "Raw Talent" discussed the inequity of pay for porn actors versus actresses. He claimed that actresses made in the $1000-1500 range as their day rate, which the male actors made about a third of that, $300-500 a day. "
Lets face it, most men would do it for a Ham sandwich.
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power - Benito Mussoli
Damm!! You knew people who went to the Frank Zarb Business School at Hofstra? (Where cut and paste was a required class for the major.)
"How to make money by telling people how they can make money by telling people how to make money!" is my new paperback book, out in stores this August. By youself an advance copy today, becuase they are going so fast that I'm already running out of people who want an advanced copy... heh.
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Ads new meaning to the term "backend server"
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
My female friend actually got an offer to be in a pornographic movie. The offer stood at $10000. As far as the morality of porn industry goes, she was underage at the time, which is why the offer was that high. Does anyone _still_ think there is a healthy sense of moral in that industry?
Still, the original comment is outrageous. Consider a horrible century like the 20th. Somewhere around 200 million people died due to war. I sincerely doubt the war figures from previous centuries would double that figure, leaving us well short of even a single billion!
Helevius
You better act now though, because in a few days it will cost you $1000
While the class this guy is offering looks like yet-another-get-rich-quick scheme, don't dismiss adult content online. It's a real money maker.
Estimates of the adult content industry online revenue are often overstated, but there is indeed money to be made. With a little bit of brand and consistent content, you've got a pretty stable audience, and one that is willing to pay regularly for access to this material.
This is more than can be said for most content sites that instead must 'rely' on revenue from advertising (a revenue stream which has turned out to be a bit unreliable). When a micropayment infrastructure is widespread enough to change that, then we may see things change, but for the time being most of us aren't willing to pay for Slashdot, or any other (non-adult) content site.
Say what you will about the "morality" of this content--it's making money where others aren't.
-a boy puts a feather into his mouth-
Do you realize on the internet porno is a multi million dollar buisness on the internet? Appeal to the right fetish and you could find yourself "knee deep ;-)" in money. Sometimes you just have to roll up your sleeves, cut off your pants and do what it takes to make a buck. On that note...don't spam, there are plenty of adult directories, if people are look for pr0n, they will find it, please dont think you are doing them a favor by informing them of you HOT! HOT! HOT! XXX Action with YOUNG College Co-Ed's.
-enigmabom
Some people tell me I am sleeping my life away, I simply tell them I am living my dreams.
I thought this was about something useful and beneficial to mankind like biotechnology... skin trade my ass!
"Brandes will teach you the secret of making money in the skin trade." I thought most lepers were poor people in 3rd world countires who cant afford skin transplants! ;) j/k
Repeal the DMCA!
"You'll notice that every site now, Yahoo and everyone, pops up windows. Well, guess where that was developed? In our industry, we were responsible for a lot of innovations. "
IMO, the existance of banner ads is not something to be proud of...
Repeal the DMCA!
I agree. It is very hard especially with the number of "Terrible" sites out there. Memberships are not a good idea because you never know what you will get once you pay the upfront fee. You never know what is behind that payment screen. Usually the videos are of Very BAD quality. However I have found one site where there are "No Memberships" and the videos are of Very HIGH Quality...Pay per Video...very cheap! You should take a look... http://www.HardcoreFlix.tv
a href="http://www.hardcoreflix.tv" Girls Show it All !!
If It's that easy, I give you 2 weeks to get 14 signups . Thats 1 signup per day ... + - 40 $ daily :) If you do it, I give you 200 $ + you keep your 40 $ a day ... :)
Trust me it's very hard to sell and you must be really good with marketing .
Doctor Dre
Yes the users of this board don't read spams but newbees do ... But if you spam and youre caugh, you will not get paid ... And you have big chances your ISP will suspend your account . So it's easy ?? lol
I run School Porn TGP and it took me months to get up .
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Ah, repressed American culture -- every man's dream for their puritanical country. The enterprising businessman selling snake oil for $140 should please these freedom loving souls.
Are you sure you aren't referring to the Salon article which Slashdot linked to, but did not write? Or did you get all bent out of shape over this one sentence? "Ah, a nice respectable trade -- every parent's dream for their business-school dropout child."
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Then perhaps you'd be happier if you went to some other web site. I'm sure others would as well.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Did anyone else notice that this guy basically said he was in other facets of internet-based business, and when that slowed down, well, he had an uncle doing it and knew a guy from high school doing it and watched and learned from him for a while, and then opened a school to teach others how, but never seems to have actually had or run his own site of that sort?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Call me a feminist, but the porn industry is so anti-woman it's disgusting. (To be as fair as possible, isn't the entertainment industry anti-woman as well?). I won't go down the "porn is a substitute for a real healthy relationship", but I can say that porn fucks with your head. In small doses, just like everything, it isn't harmful, but porn is addictive. You need freakier shit to get your jollies, you have strange thoughts about porn in the middle of the day, and more importantly you have a terrible misconception of blow-jobs, women, sex, and relationships. Does porn have a place in society? Sure. Does it deserve to be a 26+ billion dollar industry while it is derogatory to women? Probably not.
Equal Rights Porn, Now! -- I'm actually fairly serious. Porn should come with disclaimers and crap.
-Tom
Is there an explanation for the pay inequity? Supply vs. demand? I've known several women I'd call "exhibitionists" who didn't mind being photographed naked for personal/private purposes. I've known several women who would have any kind of sex (oral, anal, dildo, etc) with pretty much anyone at the drop of a hat.
For most men, getting a woman to have sex off-camera is a bit of a challenge. But fucking a stranger on camera for money? I think it takes a special person to do that. I can imagine that the number of women who would generally be considered physically attractive *and* who will screw for money must be a really small number. Not only is the sex-acting a talent, but the psychological and emotional barriers that have to be crossed are signficant.
Heres a page created by one of my friends who has already graduated. I'm actually quite impressed - its definately worth the money.
Oh, I meant public highschool graduate.
This troll is so well fed it's obese! It also happens to be one I agree with.
Far from speaking for the world, you speak for the rational, non-porn-viewing portion of it, which is vanishingly small. If there weren't a lot of loud mouthed bigots out there telling him he couldn't look at pr0n, he wouldn't need our reassurance that it was OK.
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> Does it deserve to be a 26+ billion dollar industry while it is derogatory to women? Probably not.
Does a jock with an IQ of 90 deserve to earn millions for throwing a ball? Do the Spice Girls deserve to be paid more than union scale for shaking their tits and squealing about "girl power"? Do the Backstreet Boys deserve to have records go to number one on the charts just because 13 year-old girls like their posters, and can't tell that they can't sing in tune?
Probably not, but it's not my decision.
The long and short of it is, if people want to spend their money on something that's legal, it's none of your business if they do so. Personally, I'd like to see people in general develop much finer taste in many areas, but it ain't gonna happen, and I'm not gonna get an ulcer worrying about it.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
If you spend any time surfing p0rn sites, you'll find a great deal of similarity among them. I even get spam offering porn hosting services.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
"Our average graduate earns anywhere from $500 to $2500 per week".
It seems like most of the graduates have a very unsteady income. If you include a fraction that make a more consistent paycheck, does that mean the rest have salaries that vary between, say, $100 and $10000 a week?
That could make calculating withholding taxes kind of iffy.
"If it works so well why the hell are you not off doing that?"
Reminds me of the guy (urban legend?) who took out a newspaper ad saying "Send me $1, and I'll tell you how to make millions." To every $1 donater, he sent a letter saying "Do what I did: take out a newspaper ad, "
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Personally, I think girl/girl scenes are a little boring. I mean, what's the punch line, what's the climax, what's the ending, what's the point?
I can't sit through a "Where the boys arent" for the life of me...
(I'm not afraid to admit either, no Anonymous posting for me!)
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With the HMDs that are coming out now, 3D streaming porn is a very real possibility. After all, you need some way to differentiate yourself from all the other porn peddlers. Something that will get the viewer's attention! Mark my words, 3D porn is the wave of the future!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
> The long and short of it is, if people want to
> spend their money on something that's legal,
> it's none of your business if they do so.
That's the attitude that made this country great! If you can slap a price tag on it, it's moral. If people choose to buy slaves, buy land from the government despite any agreements with the natives, or -- for these days -- buy a congressman or a president or a Furby, it's none of yer business. So get yer do-goodin', high-falutin' attitude back to your fairytale land, and pass me some kleenex!
I personally think it's kind of disgusting that porn is the big business it is. Erotica is one thing -- it should be free and not be censored -- but there's something wrong with our society when you can have MPEGs of "HOT YOUNG BARELY LEGAL TEENS" and "HOT BONDAGE AND RAPE PICS!" considered to be a mainstream business. The porn industry does degrade women, and the hot "barely legal" pics promotes the idea of child porn. So while it's legal in the US, that doesn't make it morally right.
So to the guy who complained that slashdotters were knocking the porn industry: while the US Constitution guarantees porn as free speech, it gives the rest of us the right to label you as a pervert.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
She's certainly a great testament to how good the porn industry can be for someone don't you think?
I wouldn't mind the porn (and I don't on moral grounds) if it wasn't for the porn industry and what it does to a lot of the people involved. It's not a nice place to be and it eats away at people's lives, minds, and bodies. Not everyone all the time, but too many too much of the time. Yes, drugs play a role, but in parts it's a symptom and not the sole cause. Porn/drug, drugs/porn, in the industry I believe they have a incestual relationship:-/ Why do they do drugs? Could it possibly be that some of them don't feel 100% a OK about living the way they do and need the escape? That they are activly encouraged to (boogie nights reference)? Why do they do more porn then? Well, drugs aren't cheap ya'know.
And for some reason it strikes me as a bad idea that someone (the movie directors/owners/disitributors) actually stand to gain money from their employees being hooked on sunstance abuse. Does that sound like the basis for a healthy industry/relationship?
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a pr0n site would fit perfectly at freshmeat.net :) They've already got the perfect domain name.
Want some indy electronic (and other) music?
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....Don't pay some self-appointed hotshot $140. Go to Internext. You'll learn infinitely more, from more qualified people. It costs a tiny bit more, but it's well worth it.
This isn't a great time to get into the industry, though. There's still tons of money, of course, but even porn is going through something of a consolidation. There's not a lot of room for "just another small porn site" businesses. Now, if you've got the proverbial better mousetrap, there's always money to be made. Of course, that's true in the mainstream as well.
Heck, I'll let you in on a little secret about porn spammers, while I'm at it. You know what? They don't really make any money. Between having their sites shut down, constantly looking for open relays or bouncing between service providers.... they probably put in twice the energy that legitimate porn sites do, and make about one one-hundredth the revenue. I almost feel sorry for them; they're just gullible people who believe that there's such a thing as "get rich quick." There ain't, in porn or any other business.
Cheers
-b
If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
That's funny, I would swear that in the heyday of porn, Ron Jeremy and John Holmes were cranking in the dough, with a variety of no-name starlets (who were, presumably making quite a bit less).
... from LA women who 'just wanted to try it'.
I think I read something about holmes where he was getting offered about $500 a pop on a regular basis at the bar he hung (sorry) out in
My guess is women have a lot wider variety of ways to make money now besides being a sex worker...that may have dropped the pool of female sex workers, and raised the price?
Dunno. I'm not all that into porn except for maybe a few minutes a day, if you know what I mean...curious about things on the 'other side' I guess.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
See my user info for links.
1. Get rich investors to give you millions
2. Come up with way to lose lots of money online
3. Give yourself a HUGE salary
4. Lose all investors' money, close up shop blaming market conditions
5. Restart from 1.
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DAMN! Back to work for me...
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I have always thought we should have a pr0n suit.
Make the backend so that it will compile with ncurses or gtk or qt. The interface would be something like if you where to take a MC/Xtree interface and add an image viewer field. Inside that field you should be able to see the full range of jpgs, bmps, png, etc as will as mpgs, avis, movs, rms, etc.
The problem is that I have as of yet to see a console app that could even be hacked to do this. The available image viewers like zgv, fbi, fbview, seejpeg and even jpig (jpeg to ASCII for ASCII pr0n) all take up the whole screen and have no built in menuing capability. There is only one mpeg viewer for the command line and its still in early beta testing.
Hackers consume more porn than anyone does (mostly because we know the nntp will supply unlimited amounts of it for free) and we should have a Pr0n 'O' Matic application that is capable of a lot of cool tricks. Until we can tell Joe Win user that we have the best porn viewing software we will never win the desktop war. Linux has conquored the porn server market and now its time for us to hit the desktop.
Ascii artist &
When you can buy the Internet Toolbox that is endorsed by This Dotcom Billionare and Internet Expert.
There is nothing wrong with porn.
Well, there is the issue of all that wasted bandwidth that could have been used for much more useful things, such as downloading and trying different distros/packages...
Seriously, very few people here are for banning porn, or even think that it's necessarily immoral. It's just that we thought the Interent would be used to achieve, well, loftier goals, like the creation of a global society based on the exchange of ideas and knowledge. The fact that it's primary role is that of a giant porn server is a bit of a let-down, so to speak.
Unless your "secret" for getting rich is selling that secret to other people.
Uhhhh... apparently you haven't noticed. The self-proclaimed moralists DO go after those things.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
...as Satirewire shows us, this is far superior, morally, to being a dot-com CEO. =P
-Kasreyn
Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger
"You know, the golf course is the only place he isn't handicapped."
I spent a year in Iraq looking for WMD and all I found was this lousy sig.
I spent last year working for a porn company and this year looking back. You think it's easy? Go read Porncity BBS for a few weeks and you won't be so excited. Most people who start a pay site get killed by unexpectedly high bandwidth bills( my company paid 250K/month before it took them out) or they find out it's too much work to post to TGPs(thumbnail gallery posts) or to make AVS sites(adult verification sites). A porn site requires a lot of work, a lot of money, or both. Especially if you want to make a living out of it.
Rule #1: Don't buy stuff from people who are trying to teach you how to get rich quick!
I just went through the whole list of comments and I don't see any indictments of the porn industry. I see a number of trolls, a number of jokers, a good number of people pointing out that if the scheme was so brilliant, why isn't this guy getting rich on it, but no posts other than one below yours that even seem to remotly slam the porn industry. Perhaps you should actually read the posts before jumping to conclusions on what they say.
Sorry, sarcasm is sometimes hard to pick up in written media. I've just seen this kind of thing before, people jumping to conclusions about what they think others will say. Again, my apologies.
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Look, that's the greatest load of twoddle I have ever heard. You have this jaded notion that the porn market exists for people who aren't in the best position to find a sexual partner. Let me clue you in sonny, because you have this ass backwards.
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I keep porn. I also have a live-in partner. There's not a damn thing wrong with our sexual relationship, in fact, it's the envy of our friends. We also make no bones about the fact that I keep porn, and she keeps sex toys.
Why?
Because we can't schedule hormones, that's nature's job. We work diferent hours, Often I'm tired or she's tired, and of course, her period... So, this is why this stuff has a place in ANY relationship. Of course there is also the benefit of having this stuff around as an extra kink to add to the mix, but basically it's there as a handy (ROTTEN pun) stand in.
Anyway, you seem very tense. You should have had a wank, innit?
"We kill to cure, with cures that kill" - Skinny Puppy
This isn't funny at all, it's pathetic. He tried, and failed, to cash in on the boom of '99 so now he's reverted to what he was good at as a kid: Being a sleaze-bag.
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"In seventh grade, I would sell online reports"
Translation: I've been a cheater since way back when.
"I come from a pretty conservative family. I never even thought about any of this."
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"my poor mom -- my uncle [started operating a porn] pay site about three years ago. It's huge."
Translation: My family has been lying to themselves for as long as I can remember. I'm so good at lying, I can even convince myself.
"adult people have always been one step ahead of the search engines, the way to spam things, the way to market things."
Translation: The online-sleaze industry has lots of folks experience at exploiting existing technology written by naive geeks.
The saddest thing is, there's every chance this guy won't starve to death.
How do you get the pictures?
"You either do them yourself or
Then again, maybe he will...
The first question to anyone who is "selling" a get rich scheme is "If it works so well why the hell are you not off doing that?" The only benefit I have ever noticed to the get rich schemes is that it seems more possible to make money selling "how to get rich" schemes than one can make of the actual scheme.
The second question is "How saturated is the market?" In general a market will saturate. Here is a question for slashdot, Do you think the skintrade will ever saturate?
Click here for an online porn staffing company like HotJobs. Fine then don't send me a dollar cheap basta...
Want Root?
back in the day, males made way more money than females, i wonder if that's still true and why.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
See my user info for links.
When I read that part of the article I had fond memories of my school days. .10 each or $2 a pack. Name Brand: .25 each or $4 a pack. I didn't start smoking until 3 years after I graduated because a dealer doesn't make money if they sample the merchandise.
Middle school: go downtown to the newspaper stands in front of the court house and put a dollar in and get a fist full of the swingers papers. Sell them for $2 each to suburban peers.
High school: I would sell 2 cartons of cigs a day. GPC/Basic:
Collage: Go to the major Magic the Gathering (Tragic the Addiction) tournaments and by rare cards for cheap and then sell them to suburban peers at "book" rate. Not dishonest or illegal but very profitable.
Now I am all grown up and have a much better moral code. Ah to be young and non-prosecutable and without a conscious again.
Spell checked for your sanity.
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His proposal: Entice people in with the prospect of quick and easy gratification and then charge them $1000.
On of you is in tune with the porn industry. I'm guessing it's him.
-- the most controversial site on the Web
Basically, if I had a surefire way to get rich, I'd sure not share it because the last thing I'd want is competition keeping me from cashing in.
Slashdot is progressive enough in other areas, so why is it that this article seems to be slanted against porn site operators? Why the condescending "Oh, that's a nice field to be working in" attitude? There is nothing wrong with porn. A healthy sex drive is exactly that -- healthy. Oh, sure .. some people abuse pornography, but there are plenty of people who abuse alcohol and tobacco and guns and cars, too. Shouldn't the self-proclaimed moralists go after those things as well?
The type of mindset that is espoused by the anti-porn crusaders is actually a dangerous one. For an example of this idea taken to its logical extreme, look at the Middle Ages. During this time it was considered a "sin" to expose the body -- even to one's self. The result? Bathing and basic hygiene were virtually nonexistant. It was attitudes like this that led to the spread of the Black Plague and other diseases that decimated Europe.
I've got some advice for the anti-porn types. Are you sitting down? Here it is: Don't look at porn! If you hate porn, and those involved in the industry, fine. Hate away. Knock yourself out. But stop trying to run the lives of mature adults who are thinking for themselves. If you want to embark on your anti-porn fight, go ahead. Just remember that attitudes like this have caused billions of deaths over the course of human history. That these attitudes still exist in the year 2001 is a source of endless amazement to me.
"We all say so, so it must be true!"
This isn't as much "normalization" as it is "don't take so many drugs when you're designing tables."
Hmmm, pitiful lack of ethics and total disregard for academic knowledge. A CEO with potential.
"Anonymous Coward" is for whistleblowers, not unpopular opinions.
That's It! It's time for Open Source p0rn. We'll never take over the Desktop of the typical computer user without it.
Who's up to starting a project for GPL'd thumbnail gallery of Fake Transvestite BSD'ers, or maybe a BSD Licensed repository of retouched Commie FSF folks on Centerfold bodies?
Maybe A Kp0rn vs GTKsmut package battle is just what we need to heat up the old interface wars.
Maybe a category of our own on FreshMeat...
If this guy can make money off of it anyone can. This is just what we need to prove to the American Business community that Free Open Source smut can mix with the Commercial version without conflict.
It's a call to arms! Who's with me?
Everyone seems to think that running a porn website is the easiest job in the world - I am here to tell you it is *far, far* more complicated than you imagine. Much of this complication stems from the very business itself.
Any nimrod can set up a picture viewer. It's a little more complicated than that, but essentially your average script kiddie can get the physical site up. The problems being when you start trying to *take credit cards*.
There are a number of online credit card processing companies, but very, very few that are really willing to take on "adult sites" due to the rampant CC fraud and chargeback problems.
Most processors will accept up to 10% chargebacks from "normal" sites, like say your Amazon.coms and whatnot. For those that don't know, a "chargeback" is the reversal of a CC charge, instigated by the card holder or the CC company itself. For example, if Joe Sixpack sees a charge on his card, he'll call the CC company and go "I didn't make that!" and the CC company will reverse it. This is a chargeback. The processor is responsible for these costs.
The CC companies, like Visa, will allow a certain amount of this to take place before cutting off the middleman processor. It is the processor's job to maintain this ratio.
However, because of the business of adult content, and the chargeback issues, adult sites are usually only allowed a maximum of 1% chargebacks before being "cut off" by a processor. 1% is not a lot, only 1 in 100. It is very, very easy to get cut off by a processor because of this.
What we do is rotate processors, sending one client to one and another to a different processor, hoping to spread the chargebacks across several processors. Even still, we lose a processor about once every few months.
So, the process of managing processors, and the customer service issues with that, plus filtering out known deadbeats, is a major issue - let alone user management. It is *not* easy.
Next, you have the issue of hacking. Since porn is "dirty", no one feels bad about attempting to steal it. That means we are *constantly* under attack from people attempting to hack in, or who share passwords, or attempt to guess passwords - all kinds of attacks on our system. The system we use to filter out these people is all custom-written C code, apache modules, perl, and firewall configs, and is *not simple*.
Bandwidth is not cheap. Our bandwidth costs for our few sites is on average about $7,500 a month. On top of that, the systems required to pump out those dirty pictures rivals that of the national ISPs I've managed. The layers of servers, cache machines, firewalls, traffic shapers, etc. is *not simple*.
After all that is said and done, the final issue is competition - this is a cut-throat business, with *millions* of sites competing for eyeballs. Making your site stand out in that is a full time job.
When people ask me how to get into online porn, I tell them, "don't. It's too late." They think it's as easy as throwing up a page and waiting for the cash to roll in - it ain't. Trust me.
Ok. I'm going to spill all his secrets. This is how you start and operate your very own fly by night porn site. Take notes, there will be a quiz sometime maybe.
First, you need something to offer on your porn site. Most porn sites involve to some degree pictures of naked women (there are exceptions, I know). There are various ways to accomplish this. You can buy yourself a camera, go up to random women and offer them a wad of cash to take their clothes off, and repeat until you find one that doesn't slap you and run away screaming. This is your porn star.
Take a bunch of pictures of her and now you have content. But wait.. This takes too much work, and besides, it will actually COST YOU MONEY!!! We wouldn't want to actually invest anything in this. The 4 hours you're going to spend setting it up and all that time you're going to spend depositing money in the bank is going to take too much of your time, spending extra money on it just seems like a waste.
Thankfully, there is no need. Just go to Usenet. There is a treasure trove of prescanned pictures available in every variety you would ever need. Of course, most of these pictures are copyrighted, but thats not your problem. You're here to make money in the porn industry, and don't let laws, morals, ethics, or your standing in the community slow you down. Simply stea... err.. aquire as many pictures as you think you will need. Now its time to set up your web page!!!
You can invest in a server at a porn friendly ISP, pay a premium for bandwidth because they know you will have the most popular site they host (except for all the other porn sites). Pay through the nose and watch the orders trickle in...
WAIT!!! What am I saying!! No.. don't bother spending money on that expensive crap. Do what all the other thriving porn sites do. USE GEOCITIES!! Don't mind any disclaimers you see that prohibit exactly your site. This is not your concern. You're here to make money. Don't let guilt of abusing a free service get in the way!
Now you've got a place for your site, and you've uploaded all your pictures. Now you need a flashy front page. Exactly the page that no man with properly functioning anatomy will be able to look away from. This means you need LOTS of BIG WORDS IN CAPS that declare that you are offering not just any regular old porn, but the most nasty wet obscene and most likely illegal porn that has ever existed. And its only available on your site!
Make sure you mention that there are hot teen bitches that want you now, and other phrases that nobody can possibly refuse. All over this front page, you need lots of pictures of exciting beautiful girls (that you walked out on the street and took pictures of) and claim that all of them are naked inside. It doesn't matter if they're not, by the time the suckers find out, YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE THEIR MONEY! Of course, you don't want any children in your nasty porn site, so you better get one of their age verification passwords, or two or three of them just to be on the safe side, since this is a REALLY nasty site. Of course, unknown to the 3 new people that joined the internet this week, age verification systems are just a kickback scheme and do nothing to actually prevent minors, but thats not really your concern. You've done your part.
Now, while your site is the very best there ever was, its possible that you might not appeal to absolutely everyone. For this reason, you should make several front pages, each with a slightly different theme. Just in case some people enjoy men in leather rather than hot teen bitches. No matter. Simply set up a javascript function so when they close the window, it will automatically bring up the next page. I mean, these people intentionally went to your porn site, they're gonna get some porn, no matter what. We'll just keep rotating pages until they find one that they like.
And last but not least, you'll need visitors. The best and least expensive way to do this is sending email to everyone on the internet telling them all about it. People want you to do this. They all want to get into your porn site, I mean... who wouldn't? They've just been unfortunate enough not to hear about it yet, and most of them will be extremely happy you dropped them a short 100k email to tell them about it. A few of these people might send you email back telling you to remove them from your list. Of course, they're just probably doing that because their wife or girlfriend was hovering over them and made them write it. Secretly they want to get into your site, so you might as well send them more email so they'll be able to catch it the second time around. Don't forget to post about your site in every newsgroup on usenet too, and on web page forums, and anywhere else you can find. Just make sure you don't spend any actual money on it. That would cut into your profits, and we wouldn't want that.
Ok. Thats it. You now have a fully functional high volume popular porn site. I don't think I left anything out, but if I did, I'm sure its not important. That'll be $140. Cash please.
-Restil
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We're just saying that we're sick and tired of having to also keep on reassuring you that we think you're a swell guy for doing so. In actual fact, we think you're a little bit of a bore (like the guy who spends all his time with his stamp collection), and that you tend to make some fairly silly political arguments. We also think that your industry is not "nice", since it involves the transformation of something which is generally at its best when performed as a mutual, co-operative act into a solitary, commercial transaction. But we usually don't like to say so.
The thing is, if you don't like criticism of pornography (or masturbation thereto), as you say, Don't read it! We have no problem not looking at pornography; we're not obsessed (you're confusing us with you). But you don't seem to be able to exist without constant reassurance that you don't need to be ashamed of anything. And that's becoming a little bit tiresome for us to provide. From now on, you're on your own. Whether you feel ashamed or not of your habit is entirely your own decision, and you can no longer count on us to tell you that porn is A-OK. Sorry and all that, but it's tough love.
Wanker.
-- the most controversial site on the Web
Build a content-management system geared towards porography with an e-commerce engine, graphics-rendering system, tracking system, etc. Once the software is in place, charge for the class as this fellow is doing and also have higher-end classes for customization of the backend (Interwoven & Vignette rack in alot of bucks doing this). One could also then hire out consultants for customization which the less tech-savy would need (such as WebCrossings does).
Another route would be to set up an ASP solution by investing in the hardware and "hosting" multiple porn sites under common engines. One could take a cut of the proceeds and also charge monthly fees for hosting & cc-processing.
Pretty sad that these ideas would work where it's a flop under other businesses, eh?
"...and generally behaved in a manner one can only describe as despicable." - February 27 2001, Michael Sims