The workers who get laid off are NOT being hired by the company's competititors. The competitors have already went thru phases of downsizing themselves. Someone who gets laid off from HP doesn't get hired by IBM or Sun. Sheesh. They spend anywhere from 6 to 20 months looking for a new job and settle for about 2/3rds to half their pay at a very lower profile company.
Handspring was formed during the GOOD times. It wasn't because of any fear of layoffs it was because the founders of Palm didn't feel the company was heading in the right direction. Do you consider founders and CEO's to be normal type employees?
Very few people these days in this kind of an ecomony are jumping ship because they're afraid of getting laid off. Where would they jump ship too? Do you know of some secret supply of jobs?
Lastly who says a worker who stays with the company for a long period of time is better than those who don't? How do you know they aren't just sticking around for seniority bonuses? Perhaps they've stuck around because they have no drive or ambition. Did those thoughts ever cross your mind?
The Constitution is not set in stone. Obviously the authors of the document understood this when they made it alterable. Just because they had a plan for how the Federal government should interact with the states why do you think that applies to the way the world is today, two hundred and twenty five years later? I am getting the impression and not just from you that Libertarians believe the nation should be run the way it was run back in 1776 and any major changes to the laws since then are an abomination.
I know the difference between a Representative Republic and a Democracy. I use the term Democracy for any type of Western government be it a Representative Republic like ours, a Palimentary Monarchy like the UK or whatever the heck those crazy Danes have. If your citizens can vote, to me its a Democracy.
Realtitivty is not such a bad way to measure yourself or others. Ideals are nice but they aren't based in reality. While they should always be strived for if you go too hard you're feet leave the ground and your head is stuck in the clouds. We're already working on lowering taxes, did you miss the recent $350 billion tax cut or something? Of course there's always room for improvement. I never said there isn't.
Wow! They really broke the mold when they created you didn't they!?!
Listen up. The IT (tech) industry is the only industry thats designed to minimize and or eliminiate ITSELF. From the printing press to the cotton gin to the airplane to the computer to the PDA, each technological advance allows mankind to do the same amount of work or more with less people/workers/employees.
Simply put, Handspring is screwing up. They need to be bought or they're out of business. THe only reason to buy them is to gain marketshare and cut expenses. Whenever companies merge there are always redundancies. You don't even know if all of those 125 workers will be tech workers. But does a company really need duplicate anything? Do they need 8 office admins if they previously did fine with 4? Do they need two cooks if they only had 1 before? The same goes for programmers or netadmins. They don't need anymore of those.
Contrary to your idiotic claims there are NOT always alternatives to laying off people. If you are redundant, than you're redundant. Should they keep you on and pay you to sweep the floors instead of eliminating your position? Thats worse than unwise, its insulting.
Perhaps Hewlet-Packard should have just kept bleeding money. Because obviously executive pay always makes the difference. When a company is losing billions of dollars the millions paid out to the top brass REALLY makes a difference eh?
Do you think the technology industry is special or something? That workers in this industry are a special breed of citizen deserving of protections others do not receive? This is what happens to EVERY maturing industry. Consolidation and elimination of redundancies.
The Federal government is always in check. This is still a democracy and the voters have the final say whether its municipal, state or federal politics. Being able to leave the Union is um counter to your claims of not wanting anarchy. What power would the Federal government have if the states could decide to just up and leave over any issue they wanted to? Further what would stop individual cities and towns from breaking off from the states themselves if they get miffed? Where does it end? The US would be similar to the current EU then. Very little federal cohesion and as a result a weakend indecisive nation overall.
A part of being a part of a nation is relinquishing some rights and freedoms for the good of the nation. Unless each of the 50 states wants to be its own pathetic nation-state we're better off now than we would be with your proposal.
This also suggests some shortsightedness. Instead of a strong America, you'd rather say Ohio break off from the Union if some farming law affects it negatively. What if the US had broken up into say four regions before WWII? Do you think we could have assisted appropriately not just in the defeat of Hitler but the reformation of western europe? Do you think that a loose co-alition of former US states would have anywhere the collective military might of the current US? Are you going to try to argue that if this nation simply minded our own business everything would just be fine and we'd never have to go to war except for a direct attack on or own soil?
For the most part, local police and state police ARE locally/state funded. The FBI is the federal police not the NYPD or The Boston PD or the Louisiana State Troopers...etc.
Yes we DO judge whats morally/fiscally correct by what others do. On a small scale people do so with their neighbors/friends/families. On a statewide scale towns and cities size each other up. On a national scale states compare themselves against other states (California's economy is bigger than Texas's so now Texas enacts some pro-business reforms...etc) and nations with other nations. Why else do you think we have a World Economic Forum or World Bank or International Monetary Fund? If none of these nations cared how well the others were doing economically they wouldn't be members of those organizations.
So yes it is entirely appropriate to say, since the US has lower taxes then the rest of most of the Western World you are bitching without cause. That doesn't mean you have to stop complaining, it just means in the grand scheme of things its not the abomination you make it out to be. Sometimes a little bit of perspective helps you understand that.
We don't need to gain anything. Simply wanting to do a thing is enough. And you should really research all of the technologies we have today that came from the space industry.
Lastly not everyone agrees that the state of the environment/world is as dire as your chicken little website would lead us all to believe.
Ok are you like a libertarian or something? Waiting until you find out coworkers have died before you find out a company isn't safe to work for isn't good enough. We live in a society not a jungle.
I'm really sorry you consider it an unnecssary hindrence on economic activity that the department of OSHA exists but too damned bad. Every developed nation has some sort of similar department which suggest not wanting to die while at work is some sort of commmon human desire. Even if abolished how many years and headlines of horror stories do you think it would take for it to be restored?
Excessive taxes are an abomination not just taxes at all. The US has some of the lowest tax rates, income/sales in the western world. To complain about them is simply retarded. I mean we could do away with any and all social services. Then you could pay for your own personal security force and only the affluent would be afforded safety. When the unwashed masses begin to revolt however things might get hairy.
If you ARE a libertarian my question is this. If you could have your way and abolish the laws and regulations you hate how long would you expect the populace to put up with the country considering that the quality of life for millions would be severely decreased? And if the changes would be overturned quickly what would be the point in enacting them in the first place?
Don't be silly. For the most part regulation of ANY industry in the US is just fine. Noteable exceptions are California's energy sector and nationwide healthcare.
There's more to regulating industries than just making sure they aren't lying about their revenues. There's also safety, tax, international, and social issues which the government must also regulate each industry on.
You might think its a lame way of getting to know someone but a lot of married folks who have affairs with folks they meet online reveal much more of themselves to their lovers than they ever have to their spouses.
You had me until the smacking her on the butt. Why should she be offended by that? Obviously by the time the relationship got to that point she had to know what kind of a guy he was. And if she was still with him he must of liked it.
There are some women out there who like the kind of guys Max Tucker is. Heck remember he is the one who dumped HER. So she was still pining after him for a while afterwards.
I'm not a student but YES my PDA beeps at me everyday, even when I'm not at work. It tells me when to get up, when to eat lunch, when to do various work related tasks, when to go home, when certain TV Shows are about to come on (OMG I have to remove the Buffy entry, OH CRUEL WORLD) and when to check my wireless emails...etc.
This is not counting my ToDo lists which sometimes gel with my addressbook and sometimes are completely independent.
The speed of writing on a PDA depends on a lot of things. First of all Grafitti sucks, which is why I don't use it. I found an app called TealScript which allows you to train graffiti to how YOU write. It even keeps stats on how fast you write, my record was 126 average strokes per minute. You can find it at www.tealpoint.com and its around $15-20. You can even customize those special characters if you want. It took me about a month to train the software to my current maximum efficiency.
The second most important factor is the CPU speed of the PDA. My first PDA was a Kyocera Smartphone 6035. It had a 20Mhz CPU. My second and present PDA is the Kyocera 7135 with a 33Mhz CPU (www.kyocerasmartphone.com). May not seem like much of a difference but it is night and day. The 7135 misses far less strokes than my previous PDA did. This increases my accuracy rate. And since PalmOS PDA's go all the way up to 400Mhz I don't think we'll have this speed recognition issue ever again.
I guess since my PDA is also my cell phone it is more handy since I always have it on me. I jot down whatever I need to in the memo pad or address book as needed. And I use the free app ReDo for repeating ToDo items.
Ummm, a PDA is specifically designed to be able to remind you with alarms, loud ones, when your appointments are due. How is a paper calender stuck in one place going to do that for you?
Even the most rudimentary of PDA's, (such as the Palm Zire) manage to do a better job. Perhaps you have some unholy bias against PDA's which swings your favor in the direction of the now obsolete ink and papayrus?
Satan's a demon! That means he's an ex-angel. He has SOME power, surely enough to have a harem of women who look a heck of a lot better than the Golden Girls!
Actually we are different. For we not only use our powers to make ourselves wealthier but to spread freedom and democracy around the globe. For only in a truly free world can the efficiency of capitalism be maximized.
I mean do you know of any other former world powers that invaded countries with an exit plan already formed before they went in?
Perhaps the "Coalition of the Anti-US Evil Appeasers" will understand this someday.
"It's frightning how evil this country has gotten. The corruption of the amrican psche is now complete. Worship power, subjugate people to your will, take away their shit and kill them if they disagree."
What delusion have you been operating under that allowed you to think that this country, or any country in all of humanity's history was every really any different? The goals stay the same while the methods of achieving them improve over time. Instead of Despotism, Monarchy was formed. Then Dictatorship. Then Democracy...etc. Same goals though. Collect power, prevent others from doing the same.
Our military actions are not limited to "dropping" bombs as you so simply put it. We only act with military force when we deem it necessary to American interests.
Evil isn't defined as you put it. Being only concerned about your own interests at the expense of other people's isn't even evil, its just a narrow minded form of self-preservation. Yet thats not even what we do. When we look after our own interests we by default indirectly also look after the interests of the rest of the world. In order to create a true global economy that can benefit all the people/investors/workers/citizens of the world we first have to make the world a safe place. That involves instilling order. And yes those who wish to live outside this order will scream bloody murder and label us warmongering bloodthirsty pigs. In time they will look back and be thankful that the US was not an isolationist hyperpower, but one that fully engaged the world and benevolently used its Hegemony to create a worldwide Pax Americana.
Whether the rest of the world wishes right now for such an outcome to occur is wholly irrelevant.
I haven't lost track of the argument. You have. You said no one envies bullies. I gave you two examples of people who do. What exactly do you not understand?
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If your airfare and hotel costs are more than the $120 pair of Nike's then doesn't that defeat the purpose?
That wouldn't be racist or anything.
And I'm sure you'd love the increased cost of hiring western workers reflected in your products.
Artificial inflation, yay!
What on Earth are you basing your logic on?
The workers who get laid off are NOT being hired by the company's competititors. The competitors have already went thru phases of downsizing themselves. Someone who gets laid off from HP doesn't get hired by IBM or Sun. Sheesh. They spend anywhere from 6 to 20 months looking for a new job and settle for about 2/3rds to half their pay at a very lower profile company.
Handspring was formed during the GOOD times. It wasn't because of any fear of layoffs it was because the founders of Palm didn't feel the company was heading in the right direction. Do you consider founders and CEO's to be normal type employees?
Very few people these days in this kind of an ecomony are jumping ship because they're afraid of getting laid off. Where would they jump ship too? Do you know of some secret supply of jobs?
Lastly who says a worker who stays with the company for a long period of time is better than those who don't? How do you know they aren't just sticking around for seniority bonuses? Perhaps they've stuck around because they have no drive or ambition. Did those thoughts ever cross your mind?
The Constitution is not set in stone. Obviously the authors of the document understood this when they made it alterable. Just because they had a plan for how the Federal government should interact with the states why do you think that applies to the way the world is today, two hundred and twenty five years later? I am getting the impression and not just from you that Libertarians believe the nation should be run the way it was run back in 1776 and any major changes to the laws since then are an abomination.
I know the difference between a Representative Republic and a Democracy. I use the term Democracy for any type of Western government be it a Representative Republic like ours, a Palimentary Monarchy like the UK or whatever the heck those crazy Danes have. If your citizens can vote, to me its a Democracy.
Realtitivty is not such a bad way to measure yourself or others. Ideals are nice but they aren't based in reality. While they should always be strived for if you go too hard you're feet leave the ground and your head is stuck in the clouds. We're already working on lowering taxes, did you miss the recent $350 billion tax cut or something? Of course there's always room for improvement. I never said there isn't.
Wow! They really broke the mold when they created you didn't they!?!
Listen up. The IT (tech) industry is the only industry thats designed to minimize and or eliminiate ITSELF. From the printing press to the cotton gin to the airplane to the computer to the PDA, each technological advance allows mankind to do the same amount of work or more with less people/workers/employees.
Simply put, Handspring is screwing up. They need to be bought or they're out of business. THe only reason to buy them is to gain marketshare and cut expenses. Whenever companies merge there are always redundancies. You don't even know if all of those 125 workers will be tech workers. But does a company really need duplicate anything? Do they need 8 office admins if they previously did fine with 4? Do they need two cooks if they only had 1 before? The same goes for programmers or netadmins. They don't need anymore of those.
Contrary to your idiotic claims there are NOT always alternatives to laying off people. If you are redundant, than you're redundant. Should they keep you on and pay you to sweep the floors instead of eliminating your position? Thats worse than unwise, its insulting.
Perhaps Hewlet-Packard should have just kept bleeding money. Because obviously executive pay always makes the difference. When a company is losing billions of dollars the millions paid out to the top brass REALLY makes a difference eh?
Do you think the technology industry is special or something? That workers in this industry are a special breed of citizen deserving of protections others do not receive? This is what happens to EVERY maturing industry. Consolidation and elimination of redundancies.
DEAL.
Was it graffiti that drove you away? Or the fact that the PDA was big and bulky and you didn't want to have to carry around a cell phone AND a PDA?
The Federal government is always in check. This is still a democracy and the voters have the final say whether its municipal, state or federal politics. Being able to leave the Union is um counter to your claims of not wanting anarchy. What power would the Federal government have if the states could decide to just up and leave over any issue they wanted to? Further what would stop individual cities and towns from breaking off from the states themselves if they get miffed? Where does it end?
The US would be similar to the current EU then. Very little federal cohesion and as a result a weakend indecisive nation overall.
A part of being a part of a nation is relinquishing some rights and freedoms for the good of the nation. Unless each of the 50 states wants to be its own pathetic nation-state we're better off now than we would be with your proposal.
This also suggests some shortsightedness. Instead of a strong America, you'd rather say Ohio break off from the Union if some farming law affects it negatively. What if the US had broken up into say four regions before WWII? Do you think we could have assisted appropriately not just in the defeat of Hitler but the reformation of western europe? Do you think that a loose co-alition of former US states would have anywhere the collective military might of the current US? Are you going to try to argue that if this nation simply minded our own business everything would just be fine and we'd never have to go to war except for a direct attack on or own soil?
For the most part, local police and state police ARE locally/state funded. The FBI is the federal police not the NYPD or The Boston PD or the Louisiana State Troopers...etc.
Yes we DO judge whats morally/fiscally correct by what others do. On a small scale people do so with their neighbors/friends/families. On a statewide scale towns and cities size each other up. On a national scale states compare themselves against other states (California's economy is bigger than Texas's so now Texas enacts some pro-business reforms...etc) and nations with other nations. Why else do you think we have a World Economic Forum or World Bank or International Monetary Fund? If none of these nations cared how well the others were doing economically they wouldn't be members of those organizations.
So yes it is entirely appropriate to say, since the US has lower taxes then the rest of most of the Western World you are bitching without cause. That doesn't mean you have to stop complaining, it just means in the grand scheme of things its not the abomination you make it out to be. Sometimes a little bit of perspective helps you understand that.
We don't need to gain anything. Simply wanting to do a thing is enough. And you should really research all of the technologies we have today that came from the space industry.
Lastly not everyone agrees that the state of the environment/world is as dire as your chicken little website would lead us all to believe.
Just food for thought.
Ok are you like a libertarian or something? Waiting until you find out coworkers have died before you find out a company isn't safe to work for isn't good enough. We live in a society not a jungle.
I'm really sorry you consider it an unnecssary hindrence on economic activity that the department of OSHA exists but too damned bad. Every developed nation has some sort of similar department which suggest not wanting to die while at work is some sort of commmon human desire. Even if abolished how many years and headlines of horror stories do you think it would take for it to be restored?
Excessive taxes are an abomination not just taxes at all. The US has some of the lowest tax rates, income/sales in the western world. To complain about them is simply retarded. I mean we could do away with any and all social services. Then you could pay for your own personal security force and only the affluent would be afforded safety. When the unwashed masses begin to revolt however things might get hairy.
If you ARE a libertarian my question is this. If you could have your way and abolish the laws and regulations you hate how long would you expect the populace to put up with the country considering that the quality of life for millions would be severely decreased? And if the changes would be overturned quickly what would be the point in enacting them in the first place?
Don't be silly. For the most part regulation of ANY industry in the US is just fine. Noteable exceptions are California's energy sector and nationwide healthcare.
There's more to regulating industries than just making sure they aren't lying about their revenues. There's also safety, tax, international, and social issues which the government must also regulate each industry on.
You might think its a lame way of getting to know someone but a lot of married folks who have affairs with folks they meet online reveal much more of themselves to their lovers than they ever have to their spouses.
You had me until the smacking her on the butt. Why should she be offended by that? Obviously by the time the relationship got to that point she had to know what kind of a guy he was. And if she was still with him he must of liked it.
There are some women out there who like the kind of guys Max Tucker is. Heck remember he is the one who dumped HER. So she was still pining after him for a while afterwards.
Does the level of the humor stop the humor itself from being funny?
All I know is that Beavis and Butthead was some funny stuff. I don't care if it was lowbrow or not. If it makes you laugh then it makes you laugh.
If one lone terrorist got her to shut her big nosed face for 10 whole years then perhaps the US has misjudged these terrorist people.
I'm not a student but YES my PDA beeps at me everyday, even when I'm not at work. It tells me when to get up, when to eat lunch, when to do various work related tasks, when to go home, when certain TV Shows are about to come on (OMG I have to remove the Buffy entry, OH CRUEL WORLD) and when to check my wireless emails...etc.
This is not counting my ToDo lists which sometimes gel with my addressbook and sometimes are completely independent.
The speed of writing on a PDA depends on a lot of things. First of all Grafitti sucks, which is why I don't use it. I found an app called TealScript which allows you to train graffiti to how YOU write. It even keeps stats on how fast you write, my record was 126 average strokes per minute. You can find it at www.tealpoint.com and its around $15-20. You can even customize those special characters if you want. It took me about a month to train the software to my current maximum efficiency.
The second most important factor is the CPU speed of the PDA. My first PDA was a Kyocera Smartphone 6035. It had a 20Mhz CPU. My second and present PDA is the Kyocera 7135 with a 33Mhz CPU (www.kyocerasmartphone.com). May not seem like much of a difference but it is night and day. The 7135 misses far less strokes than my previous PDA did. This increases my accuracy rate. And since PalmOS PDA's go all the way up to 400Mhz I don't think we'll have this speed recognition issue ever again.
I guess since my PDA is also my cell phone it is more handy since I always have it on me. I jot down whatever I need to in the memo pad or address book as needed. And I use the free app ReDo for repeating ToDo items.
Hope this helps.
Ummm, a PDA is specifically designed to be able to remind you with alarms, loud ones, when your appointments are due. How is a paper calender stuck in one place going to do that for you?
Even the most rudimentary of PDA's, (such as the Palm Zire) manage to do a better job. Perhaps you have some unholy bias against PDA's which swings your favor in the direction of the now obsolete ink and papayrus?
For the love of GAWD
Satan's a demon! That means he's an ex-angel. He has SOME power, surely enough to have a harem of women who look a heck of a lot better than the Golden Girls!
Now lets sing,
Thank you for being a friend......
I haven't laughed at a RMS joke like I just did in a long time.
Thank you sir!
Actually we are different. For we not only use our powers to make ourselves wealthier but to spread freedom and democracy around the globe. For only in a truly free world can the efficiency of capitalism be maximized.
I mean do you know of any other former world powers that invaded countries with an exit plan already formed before they went in?
Perhaps the "Coalition of the Anti-US Evil Appeasers" will understand this someday.
"It's frightning how evil this country has gotten. The corruption of the amrican psche is now complete. Worship power, subjugate people to your will, take away their shit and kill them if they disagree."
What delusion have you been operating under that allowed you to think that this country, or any country in all of humanity's history was every really any different? The goals stay the same while the methods of achieving them improve over time. Instead of Despotism, Monarchy was formed. Then Dictatorship. Then Democracy...etc. Same goals though. Collect power, prevent others from doing the same.
The law of the jungle on a macro scale.
Might makes right.
Hail to the King baby.
Your saying you can't even update your wife's comp to WinXP Home without her getting all disorientated?
Our military actions are not limited to "dropping" bombs as you so simply put it. We only act with military force when we deem it necessary to American interests.
Evil isn't defined as you put it. Being only concerned about your own interests at the expense of other people's isn't even evil, its just a narrow minded form of self-preservation. Yet thats not even what we do. When we look after our own interests we by default indirectly also look after the interests of the rest of the world. In order to create a true global economy that can benefit all the people/investors/workers/citizens of the world we first have to make the world a safe place. That involves instilling order. And yes those who wish to live outside this order will scream bloody murder and label us warmongering bloodthirsty pigs. In time they will look back and be thankful that the US was not an isolationist hyperpower, but one that fully engaged the world and benevolently used its Hegemony to create a worldwide Pax Americana.
Whether the rest of the world wishes right now for such an outcome to occur is wholly irrelevant.
I haven't lost track of the argument. You have. You said no one envies bullies. I gave you two examples of people who do. What exactly do you not understand?