Nice post. It seem that modern journalism, instead of informing the public, is selling our biases back to us in a mad rush to produce page clicks. The result is an echo chamber effect on a national scale that balkanizes the electorate into self-selecting political entities, blind to the overall facts and hopelessly spun in the direction of their original predilections. See also the rise of Facebook as an adjunct to the news media, where users control what news they see by blocking uncomfortable or non-congruent sources.
Not only does this create division, but the inherent bias that draws in the targeted groups serves as a mental barrier to entry for non-aligned groups. As long as there is a safe harbor for intellectually and politically similar ideas from one news source, and other sources violate the entrenched norms and standards with biased reporting designed for another group, mobility from one ideological clade to another is limited. Plainly stated, when news outlets produce content which is canted towards a politically limited audience the underlying facts are presented in a way that prevents consumption by individuals with non-aligned ideals. This produces extremely polarized individuals, not only blind to any other interpretations of the issues, but also belligerent to representatives and outlets that contradict their viewpoints.
Those childless couples, regardless of their sexual predilections or ability or decision to reproduce, are paying for the basic intelligence of the people they interact with on a daily basis with those taxes.
Do you want a cashier that can count your change? How about a taxi driver (omit obvious joke about international drivers please) that can read street signs? What about neighbors that have been exposed to the cultural implications of lawlessness and violence through studying history? Maybe even the expediency of using actual spoken English to conduct business in your workplace, instead of various dialects and pidgins based around different localities in the US?
You can thank our education system for that. If you don't want to participate in civilization I suggest you move somewhere without taxes. You pay your taxes and in return you receive civilization. Thinking that the education of the citizens of the US is merely the responsibility of the people who have them is so incredibly moronic and short sighted I can't even believe you would utter that nonsense in public, even on a relatively anonymous board like this.
I remember enjoying sexual play with both males and females from the age of around 4 onward. I certainly don't remember choosing to enjoy looking at both male and females as attractive, yet I do. I certainly do remember all of the snide comments about homosexuality, all of the subtle pressures and expectations wrapped in coded language fomenting heterosexuality, and all of the overt actions and words used by parents and peers that conveyed a heteronormative presupposition. All of that could be considered cultural hypnosis, a psyche mold forced on to myself and others without the knowledge of the ones doing it or the consent of the ones they are doing it to.
If you are used to going with the flow, following the herd, and submitting to authority I can easily see how you would not see a choice there. You would do what was expected of you, as most do when presented with pervasive subliminal persuasion compounded by cultural norms and standards. I have been distrustful of humans and authority since I was very young - that I did not choose. As for my sexuality, I still haven't "chosen." Also, just because you don't remember your imprinting doesn't mean you didn't participate in it.
A further example: A friend of mine was raped at gunpoint by a man most likely in his mid 20's to early 30's. He was 17 at the time and identified as heterosexual and had heterosexual experiences with young women. As he relates the experience he enjoyed the rape so much that he now identifies as homosexual. He has not been with a woman since and has had, by his account, innumerable sexual encounters with men. He is in his 40's now. He calls it a choice. Who am I to question him?
I could have stopped you early on. My jokes are bad and just keep getting worse the longer I go. The baseline you took could be indicative of the highest quality available from this source. To whit, your responses were infinitely more humorous than what I can generate. I particularly like the "since it's pure shit and didn't even make me twitch" part. I have no ego when it comes to my lackluster attempts at humor and I do appreciate a good roast.
It could be said that the funniest thing about my whole post is where I refer to Trump as the president elect. Hopefully its a lot funnier over there in Germany. Here its just sad and baffling. Kind of like my humor.
The one commonality between religions of all types that kill people and political pursuits that also kill people: people that kill people.
Funny how stupid humans point out religions and political ideas as the definitive reason that people are persecuted and killed throughout history. When someone does this they prove they are compromised mentally. Humans strive to create power structures that allow them to do as they wish without recourse. The ideology changes constantly. The behavior stays the same. That is a human quality, not a result of some external force.
Even religions that say "Don't kill people. Love all humans. Treat other humans as you would treat yourself. Love your enemies" have resulted in power structures that wage war, commit genocide, murder, and destroy. Only the ignorant would attribute that to a religion that specifically forbids it.
You want a definitive reason why these terrible things happen? Look in the mirror. Quit passing the buck. Realize this is what humans do.
Jesus do you need the damn joke broken down for you?
You said they didn't have the resources. Now that Trump is elected they magically have the resources from donations. Why didn't they do it before? Because Trump wasn't elected yet and they couldn't scare people into irrationally thinking the president elect had magical internet erasing powers (Well one of the candidates did, ha-ha-ha that's a joke too, get it? Please don't make me explain this one too.) Democrats were using fear of Trump (Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, inexperienced, etc, ad nauseum) to garner votes. It didn't work. Now that he's actually been elected (You mean the mother fucker won?!?!? (This is a reference to a bit by Eddie Murphy about elections (also a joke.))) some people are really scared, and even more so than they were when he was just a candidate. So, now it is easier to use scare tactics to raise money. Therefore, fear of Trump is even more of a "resource" now that he has been elected than it was before he was elected, as it allows websites like the Internet Archive to pay for their backup system in Canada.
Ahhh, so playing on the unfounded fears of idiotic Americans is a resource. It appears they are using the same one Hillary and the Democrats were using to try to get elected.
Interesting, it also appears as if that resource has become more powerful now that the Democrats have failed.
Agreed wholeheartedly and thank you for noticing the facts. There are two parties in the US: The elected and the electorate.
Any other interpretation of the political landscape turns you in to a tool of the elected ruling class. They will use you against your American brothers and sisters, and ultimately use your political will against you and what you believe in. They try to keep you confused and angry. So much easier to herd and control that way.
There are numerous issues. First, let's make sure you understand that the collection of protected data must be preceded by a warrant, not the other way around. For instance, you don't, as a law enforcement officer, get to search every house a subdivision without a warrant and then, once you find something illegal, go before a judge and get a warrant for the houses that had illegal items in them. To declare otherwise is exactly the opposite of the due process of law.
That being said, and to speak directly to your example of recorded "but not used in any way without a warrant" I have two words.
Parallel construction.
Or, phrased another way: You will never know if, when, and how illegally obtained information is used against you by law enforcement. They will make up a good reason, a plausible reason, a well thought out, even impeccable reason why they have the information about you that they do. It will be completely false. It will be designed with the intention of deceiving not only you and your attorney, but also the court, the judge, the jury, and possibly even the prosecuting attorney as well. And not just them, as we know cases are recorded. Precedent could be set for all time based on illegal and deceitful actions on the part of law enforcement.
Not only would you never know that it was or was not used, but now you have an obvious 6th Amendment issue, subsequent to a violation of the 4th Amendment. To whit, they illegally searched you without your knowledge or the proper legal authority of a warrant, took the information they gained illegally and designed a plausible but completely false narrative as to why they would have that information, prosecuted you based on a lie, and prevented you from ever knowing your "accuser" at all by their deception.
You don't see a problem with this? This is not egregious? Well, keep looking. The details are pretty atrocious for other things that were done in secret. Something will eventually strike through that jaded and callous exterior you have. I am more sensitive to the protections afforded by the Constitution and view slights toward it personally, as they affect me personally.
Was probably not coding that took place to change the light duration. Though it would be very interesting, from a prosecutorial/find-them-and-kill-their-children-in-front-of-them-then-remove-their-genetials-so-their-genes-are-eradicated-from-the-gene-pool-forever-for-doing-that-shit standpoint, to see exactly what steps were necessary for government employees and elected officials to so callously and intentionally cause human suffering and loss of life just to make some budget slush fund cash.
I'm thinking it was just a simple slider or dial in some silly little GUI interface. Which raises the question, would responsible coding practices for the traffic control devices have resulted in a hard-coded minimum 3 second setting for yellow lights, which is the minimum recommended duration for yellow lights by the Institute of Traffic Engineers and required in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices?
So crazy that our government is still trying to prosecute him, and yet none of the people responsible for the egregious violations of constitutional law that he exposed are facing so much as a black mark on their personnel file, much less federal time like he is.
That may be part of the reason not to pardon hum. As long as there is division on the person of Snowden, and the divided people are held up trying to decide what to do with Snowden, no one can or will make the mental jump to holding our government personnel and elected leaders accountable for their illegal actions.
You poor fools. The conditioning is so strong you cannot even see it, much less break it.
All true. However, access to the economic rules underlying our structure of employment, and to a large degree, supply and demand, are not the realm of the person who has the most to lose in the transition from a labor economy to a machine economy. Those with government access are, by and large, completely unconcerned with the employment status of Americans. And, from their actions you can surmise that many politicians, both on the left and right, are unconcerned with the health, well being, and employment of Americans in general.
So who is the proxy that will stand for the financial, economic, and employment needs of the electorate? Who will stand in the way of Profit and future political contributions in order to make sure employment is not further sacrificed?
Another way to look at this is, companies and the government are content with moving laborers off of the workforce and on to government subsidized living arrangements. Business and government are content with limiting the work force size to encourage efficiencies of labor and management that would not be derived without a tight labor conditions (under staffing.) How can we expect them to do a 180 on these proclivities, especially when faced with the prospect of further reducing labor force size and increasing their bottom line? They control the shoe strings, the shoes, and the concrete the shoes run on, all through economic lawmaking which is not only inaccessible and inscrutable to the average American, but also written by ex-industry-regulators and compromised academics specifically for their own purposes.
I think it will be very difficult to get the bear to stop fucking the honey jar long enough for him to remember that the cubs need to eat that honey. Just my personal opinion.
Looks a lot like trickle down economics, only with the onus of not soaking up the additional productivity as profit left to the business owners and the market place.
Fox, hen house. It is not even the foxes' fault they heat hens. Its just what they do when you trap them in the hen house with chickens.
To amplify your point, it is arguable that the "bias" is what each different news outlet has to offer as a competitive advantage. This means that the bias inherent in their choice of stories, how they cover them, and who they are appealing to is part of their strategy to pull eyeballs.
So, in essence, the news outlets are selling you dishonesty, but its a lie you like to believe so its a feature not a bug.
I can see it now. After a few more confirming experiments, we design the largest EM motor we can and boost it into orbit. We aim it toward Jupiter and flip the switch. Said EM powered craft shoots off at unexpectedly relativistic speeds.
Meanwhile, the Earth has stopped rotating on its axis...
Crazy people make themselves sick by thinking they are sick. To get better they buy worthless shit that makes them think they will get better. Presto! Their insanity cures the physical malady that their insanity manifested initially. Only problem is, the same belief that made them well will make them sick again eventually, especially since it keeps getting exercised and made stronger through use, just like a muscle.
*I* am definitely not full of shit. Who and what is full of shit are those people who proclaim that having to present ID to vote is racist. These people state that the hardship of procuring, keeping, and presenting an ID disproportionately disenfranchises minorities and is therefore racist.
Even when presented with the proposition of a free state ID the answer is the same from these idiots (you may include yourself in this if you like): identifying yourself in any way at a polling place leads to minority vote suppression, which is, apparently, racist.
THAT is utterly and completely...irredeemably full of shit.
The less they do the better off we are. Just because people fawn all over their candidate and their "party" doesn't mean that the "party" or candidate reciprocates that idiotic adoration for their constituents. They are beholden to other masters than the electorate, regardless of their stated political affiliations. The easier it is for them to make new laws the faster they will be getting into our pockets.
You guys thought this was the Information Age. You believed that propaganda line like it was some kind of holy moniker, enshrining this time for all eternity as a crowing achievement in human knowledge and communication.
I saw it for what it was, right from the start. This is the Age of Bullshit. Every avenue of human communication has been turned to the purposes of creating want where there is none, obfuscating or even eradicating the truth from the public record, and presenting everyone and everything in terms of how easily they are bought and sold.
Because providing every citizen with a free government ID with a picture on it is, apparently, racist.
I am still trying to figure this one out. However I have been assured by the media that Hillary Clinton's tears will cure ovarian cancer, and that black people catch fire if Trump looks at them in anger, free government ID's are racist to the core. Its the god's honest truth, told to me by an atheist journalist.
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Nice post. It seem that modern journalism, instead of informing the public, is selling our biases back to us in a mad rush to produce page clicks. The result is an echo chamber effect on a national scale that balkanizes the electorate into self-selecting political entities, blind to the overall facts and hopelessly spun in the direction of their original predilections. See also the rise of Facebook as an adjunct to the news media, where users control what news they see by blocking uncomfortable or non-congruent sources.
Not only does this create division, but the inherent bias that draws in the targeted groups serves as a mental barrier to entry for non-aligned groups. As long as there is a safe harbor for intellectually and politically similar ideas from one news source, and other sources violate the entrenched norms and standards with biased reporting designed for another group, mobility from one ideological clade to another is limited. Plainly stated, when news outlets produce content which is canted towards a politically limited audience the underlying facts are presented in a way that prevents consumption by individuals with non-aligned ideals. This produces extremely polarized individuals, not only blind to any other interpretations of the issues, but also belligerent to representatives and outlets that contradict their viewpoints.
Those childless couples, regardless of their sexual predilections or ability or decision to reproduce, are paying for the basic intelligence of the people they interact with on a daily basis with those taxes.
Do you want a cashier that can count your change? How about a taxi driver (omit obvious joke about international drivers please) that can read street signs? What about neighbors that have been exposed to the cultural implications of lawlessness and violence through studying history? Maybe even the expediency of using actual spoken English to conduct business in your workplace, instead of various dialects and pidgins based around different localities in the US?
You can thank our education system for that. If you don't want to participate in civilization I suggest you move somewhere without taxes. You pay your taxes and in return you receive civilization. Thinking that the education of the citizens of the US is merely the responsibility of the people who have them is so incredibly moronic and short sighted I can't even believe you would utter that nonsense in public, even on a relatively anonymous board like this.
I remember enjoying sexual play with both males and females from the age of around 4 onward. I certainly don't remember choosing to enjoy looking at both male and females as attractive, yet I do. I certainly do remember all of the snide comments about homosexuality, all of the subtle pressures and expectations wrapped in coded language fomenting heterosexuality, and all of the overt actions and words used by parents and peers that conveyed a heteronormative presupposition. All of that could be considered cultural hypnosis, a psyche mold forced on to myself and others without the knowledge of the ones doing it or the consent of the ones they are doing it to.
If you are used to going with the flow, following the herd, and submitting to authority I can easily see how you would not see a choice there. You would do what was expected of you, as most do when presented with pervasive subliminal persuasion compounded by cultural norms and standards. I have been distrustful of humans and authority since I was very young - that I did not choose. As for my sexuality, I still haven't "chosen." Also, just because you don't remember your imprinting doesn't mean you didn't participate in it.
A further example: A friend of mine was raped at gunpoint by a man most likely in his mid 20's to early 30's. He was 17 at the time and identified as heterosexual and had heterosexual experiences with young women. As he relates the experience he enjoyed the rape so much that he now identifies as homosexual. He has not been with a woman since and has had, by his account, innumerable sexual encounters with men. He is in his 40's now. He calls it a choice. Who am I to question him?
I could have stopped you early on. My jokes are bad and just keep getting worse the longer I go. The baseline you took could be indicative of the highest quality available from this source. To whit, your responses were infinitely more humorous than what I can generate. I particularly like the "since it's pure shit and didn't even make me twitch" part. I have no ego when it comes to my lackluster attempts at humor and I do appreciate a good roast.
It could be said that the funniest thing about my whole post is where I refer to Trump as the president elect. Hopefully its a lot funnier over there in Germany. Here its just sad and baffling. Kind of like my humor.
Also, props on your username.
Another lens to view this through:
The one commonality between religions of all types that kill people and political pursuits that also kill people: people that kill people.
Funny how stupid humans point out religions and political ideas as the definitive reason that people are persecuted and killed throughout history. When someone does this they prove they are compromised mentally. Humans strive to create power structures that allow them to do as they wish without recourse. The ideology changes constantly. The behavior stays the same. That is a human quality, not a result of some external force.
Even religions that say "Don't kill people. Love all humans. Treat other humans as you would treat yourself. Love your enemies" have resulted in power structures that wage war, commit genocide, murder, and destroy. Only the ignorant would attribute that to a religion that specifically forbids it.
You want a definitive reason why these terrible things happen? Look in the mirror. Quit passing the buck. Realize this is what humans do.
Jesus do you need the damn joke broken down for you?
You said they didn't have the resources. Now that Trump is elected they magically have the resources from donations. Why didn't they do it before? Because Trump wasn't elected yet and they couldn't scare people into irrationally thinking the president elect had magical internet erasing powers (Well one of the candidates did, ha-ha-ha that's a joke too, get it? Please don't make me explain this one too.)
Democrats were using fear of Trump (Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, inexperienced, etc, ad nauseum) to garner votes. It didn't work. Now that he's actually been elected (You mean the mother fucker won?!?!? (This is a reference to a bit by Eddie Murphy about elections (also a joke.))) some people are really scared, and even more so than they were when he was just a candidate. So, now it is easier to use scare tactics to raise money. Therefore, fear of Trump is even more of a "resource" now that he has been elected than it was before he was elected, as it allows websites like the Internet Archive to pay for their backup system in Canada.
Ta da! Now laugh.
Ahhh, so playing on the unfounded fears of idiotic Americans is a resource. It appears they are using the same one Hillary and the Democrats were using to try to get elected.
Interesting, it also appears as if that resource has become more powerful now that the Democrats have failed.
If you learned not to question Wikipedia in elementary school, that means I have moles on my ass that are older than you.
Looks like you're going senile as well. Getting old sucks.
Agreed wholeheartedly and thank you for noticing the facts. There are two parties in the US: The elected and the electorate.
Any other interpretation of the political landscape turns you in to a tool of the elected ruling class. They will use you against your American brothers and sisters, and ultimately use your political will against you and what you believe in. They try to keep you confused and angry. So much easier to herd and control that way.
People need to wake the fuck up.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
There are numerous issues. First, let's make sure you understand that the collection of protected data must be preceded by a warrant, not the other way around. For instance, you don't, as a law enforcement officer, get to search every house a subdivision without a warrant and then, once you find something illegal, go before a judge and get a warrant for the houses that had illegal items in them. To declare otherwise is exactly the opposite of the due process of law.
That being said, and to speak directly to your example of recorded "but not used in any way without a warrant" I have two words.
Parallel construction.
Or, phrased another way: You will never know if, when, and how illegally obtained information is used against you by law enforcement. They will make up a good reason, a plausible reason, a well thought out, even impeccable reason why they have the information about you that they do. It will be completely false. It will be designed with the intention of deceiving not only you and your attorney, but also the court, the judge, the jury, and possibly even the prosecuting attorney as well. And not just them, as we know cases are recorded. Precedent could be set for all time based on illegal and deceitful actions on the part of law enforcement.
Not only would you never know that it was or was not used, but now you have an obvious 6th Amendment issue, subsequent to a violation of the 4th Amendment. To whit, they illegally searched you without your knowledge or the proper legal authority of a warrant, took the information they gained illegally and designed a plausible but completely false narrative as to why they would have that information, prosecuted you based on a lie, and prevented you from ever knowing your "accuser" at all by their deception.
You don't see a problem with this? This is not egregious? Well, keep looking. The details are pretty atrocious for other things that were done in secret. Something will eventually strike through that jaded and callous exterior you have. I am more sensitive to the protections afforded by the Constitution and view slights toward it personally, as they affect me personally.
Was probably not coding that took place to change the light duration. Though it would be very interesting, from a prosecutorial/find-them-and-kill-their-children-in-front-of-them-then-remove-their-genetials-so-their-genes-are-eradicated-from-the-gene-pool-forever-for-doing-that-shit standpoint, to see exactly what steps were necessary for government employees and elected officials to so callously and intentionally cause human suffering and loss of life just to make some budget slush fund cash.
I'm thinking it was just a simple slider or dial in some silly little GUI interface. Which raises the question, would responsible coding practices for the traffic control devices have resulted in a hard-coded minimum 3 second setting for yellow lights, which is the minimum recommended duration for yellow lights by the Institute of Traffic Engineers and required in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices?
So crazy that our government is still trying to prosecute him, and yet none of the people responsible for the egregious violations of constitutional law that he exposed are facing so much as a black mark on their personnel file, much less federal time like he is.
That may be part of the reason not to pardon hum. As long as there is division on the person of Snowden, and the divided people are held up trying to decide what to do with Snowden, no one can or will make the mental jump to holding our government personnel and elected leaders accountable for their illegal actions.
You poor fools. The conditioning is so strong you cannot even see it, much less break it.
So are you separating propagandists from the group {government, politicians}?
If so you have made a grave thought error.
All true. However, access to the economic rules underlying our structure of employment, and to a large degree, supply and demand, are not the realm of the person who has the most to lose in the transition from a labor economy to a machine economy. Those with government access are, by and large, completely unconcerned with the employment status of Americans. And, from their actions you can surmise that many politicians, both on the left and right, are unconcerned with the health, well being, and employment of Americans in general.
So who is the proxy that will stand for the financial, economic, and employment needs of the electorate? Who will stand in the way of Profit and future political contributions in order to make sure employment is not further sacrificed?
Another way to look at this is, companies and the government are content with moving laborers off of the workforce and on to government subsidized living arrangements. Business and government are content with limiting the work force size to encourage efficiencies of labor and management that would not be derived without a tight labor conditions (under staffing.) How can we expect them to do a 180 on these proclivities, especially when faced with the prospect of further reducing labor force size and increasing their bottom line? They control the shoe strings, the shoes, and the concrete the shoes run on, all through economic lawmaking which is not only inaccessible and inscrutable to the average American, but also written by ex-industry-regulators and compromised academics specifically for their own purposes.
I think it will be very difficult to get the bear to stop fucking the honey jar long enough for him to remember that the cubs need to eat that honey. Just my personal opinion.
Looks a lot like trickle down economics, only with the onus of not soaking up the additional productivity as profit left to the business owners and the market place.
Fox, hen house. It is not even the foxes' fault they heat hens. Its just what they do when you trap them in the hen house with chickens.
To amplify your point, it is arguable that the "bias" is what each different news outlet has to offer as a competitive advantage. This means that the bias inherent in their choice of stories, how they cover them, and who they are appealing to is part of their strategy to pull eyeballs.
So, in essence, the news outlets are selling you dishonesty, but its a lie you like to believe so its a feature not a bug.
I can see it now. After a few more confirming experiments, we design the largest EM motor we can and boost it into orbit. We aim it toward Jupiter and flip the switch. Said EM powered craft shoots off at unexpectedly relativistic speeds.
Meanwhile, the Earth has stopped rotating on its axis...
Oops!
Crazy people make themselves sick by thinking they are sick. To get better they buy worthless shit that makes them think they will get better. Presto! Their insanity cures the physical malady that their insanity manifested initially. Only problem is, the same belief that made them well will make them sick again eventually, especially since it keeps getting exercised and made stronger through use, just like a muscle.
The NSA is completely accountable, just not to the American public.
Competent people are super hard to find. Notice how there aren't any in the current administration? That's not for lack of searching.
*I* am definitely not full of shit. Who and what is full of shit are those people who proclaim that having to present ID to vote is racist. These people state that the hardship of procuring, keeping, and presenting an ID disproportionately disenfranchises minorities and is therefore racist.
Even when presented with the proposition of a free state ID the answer is the same from these idiots (you may include yourself in this if you like): identifying yourself in any way at a polling place leads to minority vote suppression, which is, apparently, racist.
THAT is utterly and completely...irredeemably full of shit.
Gridlock is functioning, in my opinion.
The less they do the better off we are. Just because people fawn all over their candidate and their "party" doesn't mean that the "party" or candidate reciprocates that idiotic adoration for their constituents. They are beholden to other masters than the electorate, regardless of their stated political affiliations. The easier it is for them to make new laws the faster they will be getting into our pockets.
You guys thought this was the Information Age. You believed that propaganda line like it was some kind of holy moniker, enshrining this time for all eternity as a crowing achievement in human knowledge and communication.
I saw it for what it was, right from the start. This is the Age of Bullshit. Every avenue of human communication has been turned to the purposes of creating want where there is none, obfuscating or even eradicating the truth from the public record, and presenting everyone and everything in terms of how easily they are bought and sold.
Its all Bullshit. Don't believe a word of it.
Because providing every citizen with a free government ID with a picture on it is, apparently, racist.
I am still trying to figure this one out. However I have been assured by the media that Hillary Clinton's tears will cure ovarian cancer, and that black people catch fire if Trump looks at them in anger, free government ID's are racist to the core. Its the god's honest truth, told to me by an atheist journalist.