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James Clapper, US Director of National Intelligence, Has Resigned (thehill.com)

Reader cold fjord writes: James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, resigned last night. Clapper spent 30 years in military intelligence at the National Imagery and Mapping Agency. He was selected to be the Director of National Intelligence in 2010 with responsibility for 17 US intelligence agencies. Clapper was DNI during the monumental Snowden leaks of documents from NSA and various allied intelligence agencies as well as the release by WikiLeaks of the documents provided by (at the time) Private Bradley Manning. Besides the Snowden and Manning leaks, Clapper was engulfed in controversy over testimony to Congress in which he is alleged to have lied about NSA data collection in responding to a question from Senator Wyden. Clapper had previously stated he would leave at the end of the Obama administration. Clapper's resignation clears the way for incoming president-elect Trump to appoint his own Director of National Intelligence.

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  1. Yet another win for the people with Trump victory by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

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  2. Unremarkable event by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Presidential appointees routinely submit their resignations when another party's candidate is moving into the Oval Office.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

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    1. Re:Unremarkable event by OffTheLip · · Score: 2

      He mentioned his wife was ready for him be done with work and at age 75 it's time. Truly nothing to see here.

    2. Re:Unremarkable event by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Just so. Article I read before I saw this /. piece stated that it was normal for all those Executive Branch appointees to submit a resignation after any Presidential election....

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    3. Re:Unremarkable event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He already said he didnt want to stick around. Leaving a whole 2 months early after how many years? It would seem more newsworthy if he didn't want out a little early :)

  3. Bradley! Chelsea! Duck Season! Rabbit Season! by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please post the discussion about whether somebody's legal name or their Jesus name is more valid here.

    I've got my Rathalos armor on, so flame away!

  4. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    On the contrary, I fully believe whoever trump installs will not only keep it, but expand it

  5. Clapper, the guy who lied to congress? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lock him up!

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  6. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This nation doesn't have any intelligence anyway

  7. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by gijoel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or maybe it's the first rat off the ship.

  8. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    /s
    Here, I think you dropped this...

  9. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    +5 Funny!

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  10. FFS This story is such a non-event by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes he resigned. But as explained in Top US intelligence official: I submitted my resignation (and probably elsewhere)

    All members of an outgoing administration must submit a resignation at some point.

    But every news outlet and internet troll seems to be falling over themselves to shout to the world that he resigned, as if this event actually means something.

    Sure you could probably make a case for all sorts of things happening to him after he is out. But for fucks sake, his resignation is expected and required.

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  11. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where is -1 delusional?

  12. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Troll

    You believe it so fully you post AC. Not a very impressive prediction.

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  13. Sarah Palin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    for Director of National Intelligence.

    1. Re:Sarah Palin by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Funny

      [Sarah Palin] for Director of National Intelligence.

      Irony meter just exploded.

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    2. Re:Sarah Palin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      [Sarah Palin] for Director of National Intelligence.

      Irony meter just exploded.

      How is this ironic? After all, she can see Russia from her house. Just think how much money they can save with her in charge.

    3. Re:Sarah Palin by quenda · · Score: 1

      I thought the "George Bush Center for Intelligence" could not be beat for irony, until realising it was named after "H.W." - the one smart enough *not* to invade Baghdad.

    4. Re: Sarah Palin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarah Palin is already lined up for the head of the Dept of the Interior. I'm not kidding.

  14. Snowden for DNI by ASCIIxTended · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I say put Edward Snowden in the position.

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    1. Re:Snowden for DNI by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hasn't Trump said that he thinks Snowden is a traitor and should be executed, or something to that effect? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought he did.

    2. Re:Snowden for DNI by rgbscan · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, you remember correctly. Trump implied he would execute Snowden. Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/

    3. Re:Snowden for DNI by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      I say put Edward Snowden in the position.

      I understand that Edward Snowden is widely considered a HERO! on Slashdot, but I'm wondering if you could explain why you think he would be suitable for the job as Director of National Intelligence?

      What in his background makes you think he is the right person to lead tens of thousands of intelligence professionals in 17 different intelligence agencies with a total budget nearing $100,000,000,000 and wide ranging functions in working to prevent another Pearl Harbor, or 9/11 against the United States and its allies? His ability to keep a secret?

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    4. Re:Snowden for DNI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morals!

    5. Re:Snowden for DNI by akgooseman · · Score: 1

      I won't be surprised when Trump trades something big and valuable to the Russians in exchange for Snowden. Making an extreme example of Snowden is likely on Trump's "First 100 Days" list.

    6. Re:Snowden for DNI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Snowden's kept classified documents more securely than the NSA has.

      Nothing he had and didn't want released to the public was released. Clapper's NSA, on the other hand....

    7. Re:Snowden for DNI by quenda · · Score: 1

      Hasn't Trump said ...

      Anything Trump said, he is just as likely to have also said the opposite, or at least something conflicting.
      I admire a politician who is not afraid to modify their opinions over the years, but I don't think Trumps comments reflect his actual opinions on fact, just on polls.

    8. Re:Snowden for DNI by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Really? That isn't what Bruce Schneier thinks.

      Bruce Schneier: China and Russia Almost Definitely Have the Snowden Docs

      Do countries like China and Russia have copies of the Snowden documents? I believe the answer is certainly yes . . .

      Bruce then tries to create wiggle room for Snowden - it's not his fault! But it is. Even if we assume that Snowden isn't dirty, a defector, those documents wouldn't have been anywhere nearly as vulnerable had he not taken them and distributed multiple copies to journalists and others.

      The Snowden Operation: Assessing the Damage

      If you can't accept that possibility I don't think you are being intellectually honest. The Snowden cache of documents is one of the great prizes of all time for intelligence agencies. How can you not believe they have expected considerable resources to get their hands on a copy?

      Did you not notice the changes that both Russia and China made to their computer intelligence and cyberwar infrastructure after those documents got loose?

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    9. Re:Snowden for DNI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using washington anything media as a valid reliable source...

      u funny.

    10. Re: Snowden for DNI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wtf r u talking? Not the Snowden dox, Manning dox put actual people in danger

    11. Re: Snowden for DNI by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      It seems you don't really understand everything that is going on.

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    12. Re:Snowden for DNI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you remember correctly. Trump implied he would execute Snowden. Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/

      He understands encryption

  15. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, I want to have whatever you are smoking, that must be some powerful stuff.

  16. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you believe this? Trump's platform is partly built on smaller government and less regulation

  17. Obligatory by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 2

    James Clapper, US Director of National Intelligence, Has Resigned

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  18. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love watching the rats scurry as Trump the exterminator is brought in to drain the swamp.

  19. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Ultra64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Um, that's exactly *why* he's posting as AC.

  20. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And mexican-paid wall building.
    Why would he lie about everything, but keep his promise on smaller government?
    Besides, how would a smaller government satisfy his huge ego?

  21. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, small enough to fit into your bedroom, while remaining too big to be allowed into the boardroom.

  22. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No you're not allowed. Gary Johnson didn't win.

  23. Clap on, clap off by rmullig2 · · Score: 2

    At least we know he won't leave the lights on.

    1. Re:Clap on, clap off by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      He will if he goes to work at Motel 6.

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  24. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Nidi62 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Love watching the rats scurry as Trump the exterminator is brought in to drain the swamp.

    For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....

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  25. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

    That remains to be seen. Trump, aside from being economy-oriented, is also very security conscious (possibly because he understands that the sense of security affects markets); I see no real indication that he'd reign in the NSA in that.

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  26. More interesting this way by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I prefer posts that act as a Rorschach test rather than explicitly stating direction... :-)

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  27. Tarnished legacy by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keeping this guy around and failing to reign in data collection excesses is a stain on Obama's legacy.

    1. Re:Tarnished legacy by Marsoupial · · Score: 1

      Wait, was this guy an intern in the Clinton white house?

    2. Re:Tarnished legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not trying to take sides with any politician, but if I were president, and the office that I have to depend on for intelligence, tells me that all they can do is take in all data and look it over, then I can't imagine that I'd be one to just cancel it all.

      Honestly, the only other idea that comes to mind is to simply disallow just anyone to purchase anything that can be used as 'a computer'. Treat them like guns and make people register them - dunno. Afterall, nothing reasonable can be used against freedom, once that freedom is instated.

    3. Re:Tarnished legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were President and an ex constitutional law professor, and my intelligence director tells me that they perform acts that willfully disregard Fourth Amendment protections, I would be inclined to reign it in. That said abuses seem to have done nothing to actually protect the citizenry only makes it more important to stop.

    4. Re:Tarnished legacy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Keeping this guy around and failing to reign in data collection excesses is a stain on Obama's legacy.

      I've been noticing more and more incorrect use of "reign in" from people who mean "rein in", mostly from people like you who have foe'd me but that's besides the point except for your ignorance being amusing. I wonder where it's coming from, besides people who don't speak English.

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    5. Re:Tarnished legacy by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      The Democrats are oddly the American party that thinks state intervention in things like healthcare and social benefits are good, so one should logically expect Democrats to not mind a bit more state surveillance either.

      But then I've always thought it funny that it's precisely the Republicans who tend to cry "no government is good government" while simultaneously voting for significant government interference:
      - The State should stop abortion, which is a private matter
      - The State should stop gay marriages, another private matter
      - The State should increase their police, surveillance and armed force apparatus
      - The State should willy-nilly be able to collect large amounts of data on its citizenry

      None of the above is really a move towards more "freedom" and "autonomy" for the citizens, although they do call anyone opposed to these ideas a socialist. As if that would be an insult.

      I truly don't logically understand American politics, the US or its citizens very well. Having just returned from an involuntary week in Las Vegas I can only say I am happy to not be living there if only because the coffee sucks and portions are jolly well uncivilized.

    6. Re:Tarnished legacy by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Please correct me if i'm wrong on this but IIRC not one of the candidates was against the surveillance state.

      Trump has said he wants to put abortion back in control of the states. (several states have made great progress killing off nearly all the clinics with just building code requirements what does he think they will do if given the option to ban it again altogether?)
      Trump appears to be neutral on the subject of gay marriage.
      Yep. (both sides agree) we don't have enough tanks on city streets have you heard about the drones being used here in the states yet?
      Yep (both sides agree here too) There should be no limits on what the Gov't can collect but when it comes to keeping track of your medication which if mismanaged could actually kill you HIPAA GTFO.

      We get very poor choices.
      For desert we have shards oâ(TM) glass or beach apples.
      What would you like? Neither? That's all the options you get and you have to pick one or someone else will pick for you.

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    7. Re:Tarnished legacy by mink · · Score: 1

      Yep. (both sides agree) we don't have enough tanks on city streets have you heard about the drones being used here in the states yet?

      We need out tank police! How else can we get a live action version of the anime?

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    8. Re:Tarnished legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Matches Obama's, you big dummy! Oh never mind, if I gotta explain it...

  28. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What does posting as AC have to do with what he said? You can't refute the statement so you attack the person making it?

    Oh and I'm sure that "SuperKendall" is your true and legal name, right?

  29. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Informative

    For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....

    Trump transition team announces 5-year lobbying ban for appointees

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  30. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the thing that impresses you about predictions is the name of the person who made them, I predict you make a lot of bad decisions.

  31. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the wall that the Mexicans want to erect on the southern border of Mexico to keep the rest of the filthy central americans out? Hypocrite much?

  32. Draining the Swamp by sqorbit · · Score: 2

    Another step for Trump's "Draining the Swamp" philosophy. Wonder what jaded business man or lobbyist will go in his place? Draining the swamp should be referred to as "Replacing the swamp with new swamp monsters"

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  33. Hope he set off the delete sequence by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    and flushed the tables and the rotating backups

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  34. NO: Lorne Greene for DNI! by Geste · · Score: 1

    Or Dan Blocker if Lorne begs off.

    1. Re:NO: Lorne Greene for DNI! by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      You'll have to dig them up.

      Lorne Greene: February 12, 1915 – September 11, 1987
      Dan Blocker: December 10, 1928 – May 13, 1972

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    2. Re:NO: Lorne Greene for DNI! by Geste · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a bit of a hassle to dig them up, but either one would do a better job than Palin.

  35. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Trump wants to take a pro-citizen stance on the NSA, he should pardon Snowden on his first day in office. It would make me a believer.

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  36. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And mexican-paid wall building.

    I think Trump was being honest about that. I figure he's going to run the economy so badly into the ground that American workers will illegally immigrate to Mexico looking for jobs, and eventually Mexico will get so fed up that they'll build a wall and pay for it....

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  37. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How do you refute a prediction about a future event without any evidence to confirm or deny?

    And remember, Trump is pretty much unpredictable at this point.

  38. America no longer has the Clapp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come, other countries! Enter into foreign relations with us. No more Clapp. Promise.

  39. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    That doesn't make any sense. The administration is not a ship, nor is it interesting when he leaves (now or in 60 days). Slow news day.

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  40. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    This has got to be one of the most naive and incredibly stupid things I've ever read on Slashdot.

  41. A criminal, but not a traitor. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Treason has a very specific definition in the US constitution. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, for example, were tried for espionage, not treason.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:A criminal, but not a traitor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Constitution Article III, Section 3, Paragraph 1:
      "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

      If the US government compels companies to open holes, ease encryption, share keys, etc.,... to aid themselves, they also aid the enemy in the same way. It is impossible to make things easier only for the 'good guys'. So yes, it is treasonous... by the very specific definition cited by you and quoted above.

      Incidentally, US Military personnel also take an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic (such as our own government). James Clapper took that oath when he was in service to the United States Air Force (1963-1995).

  42. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps Trump will follow the logic of the current candidate selections for the chief advisor and Secretary of State and reign in the surveillance programs by selecting a real life cowboy from Kentucky to the role of DNI.

  43. Why is this news? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    His term would have ended anyway on Jan 20th, so how is it news? I know it's been a slow news week since the elections last week, but still

    1. Re:Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's news to "post-truth" liberal babies like the /. editors who want to drum up as many doom and gloom scenarios as possible. By using the clickbait headline that he "resigned," that implies there's a problem with the pending administration, hence /.'s leftist propaganda chugs right along. Both you and I know his term was up anyways, but it's much more sensational to say he resigned instead.

    2. Re:Why is this news? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Coming up next.... President Obama resignation to be effective Jan 20th

    3. Re: Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good riddance, that nigga is racist

    4. Re: Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's much more sensational to say he resigned instead.

      It's not sensationalism, idiot, he resigned.

  44. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by jovius · · Score: 1

    NSA is an effective tool for the American economy and policy making. I don't see any reason why a businessman like Trump would reign it.

    I suppose it'll be rather left to its own devices, also because of its apparent complexity to the administration. If something the intelligence efforts will be strengthened, as the administration composition so far suggests.

    Trump's tactic of pre-emptively revealing pretty much everything has left the security apparatus somewhat toothless, too.

  45. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    "...it is going to be redirected." FTFY

  46. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not get the point and make a completely irrelevant rebuttal much?

  47. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRAIN.....THE......SWAMP

  48. New NID same as old NID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we have anyone in the intelligence community that doesn't represent the special interests of the military industrial complex? I don't think so. We need to make war profiteering illegal again... or at least enforce the war profiteering laws we have. The entire intelligence and military culture needs a massive revamp and scale-down. They've become so large and out of control that they turned that apparatus on it's own people. Keep them minimally funded so that they can only concentrate on what is actually important to this nation.

  49. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We pay Mexico several hundred million per year to patrol their side of the border. They are doing a poor job of it. Trump is a business man and talks in accounting terms. If you turn a liability (foreign aid) into an asset (a wall), in business terms you are making the beneficiary of the liability pay for the asset.

    Even if it fails miserably the wall will be a jobs project and will prevent billions of dollars over the years being funneled into corrupt border politicians in Mexico.

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  51. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....

    Trump transition team announces 5-year lobbying ban for appointees

    The ban is for appointees becoming lobbyists not the other way around (first sentence of article you included). At present the Obama administration has a 2-year wait for lobbyists to join the administration - don't know what Trump will do.

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  52. He's self-deporting from the swamp. by E++99 · · Score: 1

    He's self-deporting from the swamp.

  53. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giving Hillary a cabinet position oughta put her on ice for a while.

  54. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    American workers will illegally immigrate to Mexico looking for jobs, and eventually Mexico will get so fed up that they'll build a wall and pay for it.

    Well at least your credibility exceeds Trump's.

  55. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You whine about Trump wanting a wall on the Mexican border while completely ignoring the fact that the Mexicans want the same thing on their southern border. That makes you a hypocrite and a tool.

  56. perjury by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

    Why isn't he being prosecuted for perjury - lying to Congress - that's what I want to know

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    1. Re:perjury by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Because the President and the DOJ director have stacked the deck in his favor.

    2. Re:perjury by cold+fjord · · Score: 1, Informative
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    3. Re:perjury by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Why isn't he being prosecuted for perjury - lying to Congress - that's what I want to know

      My guess and original suspicion is that it was because Congress told him to lie to them before hand. I doubt Congress, or at least some in Congress knew what the real answer was, but wanted a nice public refutation to present. Snowden probably not just blew the cover off Clapper, but also Congress.

  57. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many people who don't want to work for the next admin getting out.

    Good luck replacing everyone with competent people.

  58. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by avandesande · · Score: 1

    It say in the article that he has been talking about retirement every day for the last year or so. So no news, if you RTFA.

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  59. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by skids · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    We pay Mexico several hundred million per year to patrol their side of the border.

    Nope. You must have gotten that statistic from fake news. The 200 million figure seems to match the figure for all security/military (non-economic) aid, only a small portion of which is earmarked for their northern border, and which was probably a lot less this year..

    Total foreign aid, some of which boosts our own economy in indirect ways, is in the $400-$500 million range.

    Even if we take Trump's own underestimation of $8 billion and canceled all foreign aid to Mexico, which would cost us dearly in the economy, it would take 20 years to make up that much money.

  60. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I don't believe anything stated in his platform as he's a compulsive liar and he's playing one long confidence-man con game.

    Because I honestly hope he DOESN'T adhere to the bulk of those statements he's made on the campaign trail because holy shit!

    Because while part of his "platform" likes the idea of smaller government, he's made no specific remarks about the warrant-less wiretaps, the dragnet, or Clapper's perjury against congress (that I know of). You're hoping that the president-elect will adhere to a general theme. One which you think means he'll stop his government from spying on people.

    Because while the "smaller government" part might conceptually align with reducing FBI's spying program, the "less regulation" part would remove the safeguards that keep them from further abusing citizen's rights. If he does both, well now we've got a bunch of unshackled spooks with a shrinking budget who have a ton of access to very valuable information.

  61. It must be said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    James Clapper

    August 9, 2010 - Jan 20, 2017

    ClapOn - ClapOff

  62. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    A ban on lobbyists doesn't have any practical value when Trump wants to appoint the very people who would pay for lobbying services, such as Jamie Dimon.

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  63. I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up by avandesande · · Score: 1

    What will we do without 'The Clapper'?

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    1. Re: I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong slogan doofus.

  64. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or just use the NSA surveillance to go after the people he disagrees with and regards as his enemies. Seems a lot more likely to me.

  65. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by tomthepom · · Score: 1

    As commander in chief, he won't have to 'put up' with it at all, he'll enjoy all the benefits of it.

    Do you really imagine that his appointees will refuse a request for deep intel on the next person that irks him on Twitter?

  66. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump's platform is partly built on smaller government and less regulation

    Wait.. wut?!? Why am I hearing this for the first time after the election? Who knows, I might have voted for him, had this secret gotten out earlier.

    Prior to the election, he was saying he wanted to EXPAND the role of the federal government. He was talking left of Clinton (though not left of Stein). A few examples:

    1) He was going to enact some kind of 1930s-style construction work program to build a new wonder of the world: The US-Mexico Wall. FDR was going to be finally humiliated and out-done. This is probably going to be one of the most expensive construction projects in US history, and near as I can tell, it's all for the purpose of employeeing the workers and contractors (getting money flowing from the federal coffers) with virtually no utility value.

    2) He was going to MASSIVELY interfere with the free market's use of foreign labor. This was a HUGE part of his platform and anyone who says otherwise is a complete liar. He hammered this over and over again, from many directions. He was going to use government power to prevent importing of both products and workers. The guy is hugely anti-free-market, maybe not an actual communist but was promising to be the the most communist president that we have seen in nearly half a century.

    3) This is cheesy and superficial, but his make-America-great slogan sounded a lot like an echo of LBJ's Great Society. And as it happened, his voting supporters really did seem to come from the poorer states. I am pretty sure there was some kind of implied government handout involved (see the stuff above).

    Is he now back-pedalling on all the big-government stuff? When the fuck did this happen?

  67. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

    How do you refute a prediction about a future event without any evidence to confirm or deny?

    Protip: One sure-fire way that I have found to effectively refute a prediction is to wait and observe it not coming to pass.

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  68. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope no handout implied. Simply, the Trump will no longer allow the US Government to actively work against the best interests of the middle class in the flyover states as has been done now for 30 years to benefit the east and west coast states.

  69. So Much Perjury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, he didn't "allegedly lie", he lied.

    A lie requires intent to deceive, and proving intent is difficult it's true. However this isn't criminal law here. We don't actually have to "prove" anything.

    Clapper made a false statement under oath to Congress. The statement was about something he is actually in charge of, and it's not some obscure issue that might get lost in a large organization. This was perhaps the burning question about the mandate and activities of his agency, at the time he was giving testimony. In other words, it was his job to know. The question was straightforward and so was his answer. And his answer was false.

    All that Congress and the executive had to say was, "we no longer have confidence in the ability and judgement of James Clapper to fulfill his duties. He was not forthcoming under testimony before Congress." And that would the end of Clapper's career as a spook. No proof about intent is necessary.

    If you actually want to pursue charges of perjury, of course you need more. But Clapper never lost his job, never got a written reprimand, never even got so much as a disappointed look, so the system once again protected their own.

  70. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

    I don't think you've got that right. Let's imagine for a minute that what you write has some truth to it, that Jamie Dimon would have engaged lobbyist while at Goldman Sachs. Do you think he would have done that out of personal interest and out of his own pocket? Or would he have been pursuing the goals and interests of his employer? It seems pretty likely that it is the goals and interests of his employer, doesn't it? Suppose he went to work for American Express... do you think he would continue to work towards the goals and interests of Goldman Sachs, or that of his new employer? If he was picked for the job of Secretary of the Treasury he would be responsible to President Trump, not Goldman Sachs. He would have a broader portfolio of responsibilities. His actions would also have to withstand scrutiny by Congress, President Trump, the Courts, the public, and the financial community. I doubt he would last long in that job if he started making decisions to specifically benefit Goldman Sachs, the many other companies in the market would complain and file lawsuits. He would be out for ethical problems before too long, and then be radioactive to most employers.

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  71. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROFL. Drain the swamp, then rehire the alligators and give them stock options in SwampCo Inc.

    You people were played like cheap fiddles.

  72. Least Untruthful Answer by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

    Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?

    Clapper: No sir.

    Wyden: It does not?

    Clapper: Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect—but not wittingly.
    -- Senate Intelligence Committee, March 12, 2013


    Thank you, Senator Wyden.

    Thank you, Edward Snowden.

    What a huge lie that turned out to be. Clapper's resignation may be expected at this point, but still, it is a reminder of how unaccountable those agencies are.

    1. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      The NSA is completely accountable, just not to the American public.

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    2. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by cold+fjord · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      You should be condemning Wyden for this reckless stunt, not thanking him.

      Does "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" sound familiar to you at all? We're supposed to be citizens with rights protected under law, not subjects.

    4. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Once again, you should be condemning Wyden for his reckless stunt.

      Of course you have rights as an American citizen, but they are what the law says they are, and not necessarily what misinformed opinion holds them to be. Much of the opinion on Slashdot is long on wind and short on knowledge.

      I'm familiar with the 4th Amendment. Are you aware that it is not an all-purpose, all-encompassing, unlimited shield against any scrutiny under any and all circumstances?

      Article II of the Constitution. Does it sound familiar to you at all?

      I refer you to the Supreme Court decision: Smith v. Maryland

      Intelligence isn't the same thing as law enforcement.

      Do you think the Republic should be unable to defend itself from invasion due to "No Trespassing" signs?

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    5. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see. You must be here to tell me that 'metadata doesn't matter' and 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' and 'no warrants shall issue' only applies to actual physical 'papers'.

      Justice Marshal, in his dissent of Smith v. Maryland summed it up the best:
      "The use of pen registers, I believe, constitutes such an extensive intrusion. To hold otherwise ignores the vital role telephonic communication plays in our personal and professional relationships, [...] as well as the First and Fourth Amendment interests implicated by unfettered official surveillance. Privacy in placing calls is of value not only to those engaged in criminal activity. The prospect of unregulated governmental monitoring will undoubtedly prove disturbing even to those with nothing illicit to hide. Many individuals, including members of unpopular political organizations or journalists with confidential sources, may legitimately wish to avoid disclosure of their personal contacts. [...] Permitting governmental access to telephone records on less than probable cause may thus impede certain forms of political affiliation and journalistic endeavor that are the hallmark of a truly free society. Particularly given the Government's previous reliance on warrantless telephonic surveillance to trace reporters' sources and monitor protected political activity, 2 I am unwilling to insulate use of pen registers from independent judicial review."

      So once more, Senator Wyden has my utmost appreciation for being a champion of our constitutional right to privacy.

    6. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see. You must be here to tell me that 'metadata doesn't matter' ....

      Nope. Don't even imply it.

      and 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear'

      Silly

      and 'no warrants shall issue' only applies to actual physical 'papers'.

      For at least phone records, they aren't your papers, and aren't in your possession. They are ordinary business records of the phone company. That is settled law. You'll have to invent new law to do what you want the 4th Amendment to do as it doesn't apply.

      Justice Marshal, in his dissent of Smith v. Maryland ....

      Justice Marshal is astute, and there are certainly areas of concern. However Justice Marshal writes in dissent to the actual state of the law. What is the price of Liberty again? Eternal something or another? Hmmm..... interesting question ..... certainly the governed have to watch the government, but how does the government watch the people trying to harm its citizens if they aren't allowed to look?

      So once more, Senator Wyden has my utmost appreciation for being a champion of our constitutional right to privacy.

      No doubt he does. The man is reckless. Let's hope he doesn't create conditions that manage to get lots of Americans or other people killed. The corks he likes to play with don't tend to go back in the bottle once pulled.

      I'm glad to see you seem to have some guiding principle. Lots of people on Slashdot seem to be driven by narcissism, they don't care how high the body count is as long as the government has no notion of their existence. As a practical matter they view truck bombs going off in crowded shopping malls as proof that we are free - Die bravely in the food court for our freedom! Certainly you wouldn't go there, would you?

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    7. Re:Least Untruthful Answer by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      ..... certainly the governed have to watch the government, but how does the government watch the people trying to harm its citizens if they aren't allowed to look?

      That was a problem that Thomas Drake tried to answer with the Thin Thread program. Look at what he got for his trouble. How is the governed supposed to watch the government, when the abuses and violations of its own laws is considered 'classified', and whistleblowers are ruthlessly prosecuted?

      ... Die bravely in the food court for our freedom! Certainly you wouldn't go there, would you?

      Insert obligatory Franklin quote about security here. There has to be an equilibrium where the best security is attained while also respecting the spirit and the letter of the law which was created for the sake of preserving freedom. To accept anything else, is to accept that we are subjects and not citizens.

      We all know what happens when a government no longer fears the governed, and the first step to that is one-sided transparency, aka mass surveillance.

  73. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pardon Snowden and give him the job of NSA Director.

  74. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    I think we've seen it's premature to predict how Trump might react to nearly anything. Until long after his reaction is complete, there's no telling what he did.
    And I wish I were being sarcastic.

  75. Clap on! Clap off! by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Clap on, clap off... for Clapper!

    (Gold clap)

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  76. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No; the concern isn't that he would make decisions specifically to benefit Goldman Sachs, but that his decisions would primarily benefit the industry that Goldman is a part of rather than benefiting the people of the US.

    dom

  77. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    naive fool. dream on.

  78. Making America Great Again already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a positive sign when a guy who went before congress and, while under oath, lied to congress and the American people about spying on them contrary to the plain text of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.

    Now if Trump can get rid of the corruptocrats in the DOJ who did not do anything about Clapper's perjury (or Clinton's perjury for that matter) perhaps the level of muck in the swamp will truly begin to lower.

    People need to remember that one reason why the NSA was spying on EVERYBODY (mostly American citizens with very clear Constitutional rights and NO reason to be suspects), is because the government was in total political correctness mode. Trump just does not roll that way. He rejects PC and is willing to take the heat over it as evidenced by the savage "news" coverage he got during the campaign. He's a business guy whose likely to ask some very tough questions about the cost-effectiveness of spying on EVERYBODY instead of narrowly focusing on actual suspicious persons. As somebody always getting audited by the IRS, he's probably also rather unimpressed by government agencies going after citizens without serious cause.

    I'm not a Trump fanboy, but I suspect the next year is going to be highly interesting/entertaining and I'd bet we're going to see all sorts of meltdowns by establishment people (in both parties), lobbyists, pundits, campaign "experts", pollsters, mainstream media personalities.... Most people in DC hate change, do not want accountability, do not want to have to demonstrate performance/productivity, hate being turned-down for positions they believe they are entitled to, etc. I'm gonna be popping a LOT of popcorn, I think [smile].

  79. i nominate by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    Rudy Giuliani.

    I cant think of a more fitting cast member than that. The guy just oozes slime and is well antiquated with "law" and "order". Physically, he is exactly who i picture is listening to my phone calls and recording my packets.

    Sleaze incarnate.

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  80. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is the only sensible thing I've seen here all week. Which means it will never happen.

  81. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You keep using that word. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.

    Nobody said anything about supporting Mexico's wall either.

  82. "alleged"???? by zedaroca · · Score: 1

    The whole Snowden thing happened because of that lie. Unless you are claiming that the Snowden leaks are the lies, he DID lie to congress. Just because he was not prosecuted for that doesn't mean it didn't happen. WTF???

    BTW, in other news, contradicting the other post on the front page, he also claimed that:

    "After the issuance of the statement and the communication that I know took place between our government and Russian government, it seemed to have curtailed the cyberactivity that the Russians were previously engaged in," Clapper said.

    He said he was specifically referring to the "cyber-reconnaissance" that had been observed prior to the statement. "That sort of activity seemed to have curtailed," he said.

    He said intelligence agencies don't have good insight on when or how Wikileaks obtained the hacked emails.

    1. Re:"alleged"???? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to be familiar with some important background information on this issue:

      The Clapper “Lie,” and the Senate Intelligence Committee
      Blame Wyden, not Clapper, for ‘lie’ to Congress on NSA surveillance

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  83. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by blindseer · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone put someone they believe to be a felon in a position as an advisor and administrator? Trump said that Clinton would be investigated and potentially put in prison for her crimes. That does not sound like an endorsement for a position in his administration.

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  84. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you follow the logic used to choose heads of regulatory bodies from a pool of those in the industry being regulated, then Clinton could be the Attorney General.

  85. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you drain the swamp you often find that you expose the alligators... at that point it would be unwise to ignore them.

  86. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "pardon Snowden on his first day in office" You can't really pardon someone who has not been convicted of crime. Had Snowden only released the domestic information he would be walking around free today. But releasing the information on foreign intelligence operations cannot be swept aside. He freely admitted that his entire purpose in getting the NSA job was to steal classified information. He was evidently too stupid to take refuge in another country before he released the information. Nobody was after him until he went public. And if he was as knowledgeable about NSA activities as he claims to be why did he think he would not be pursued and prosecuted for his admitted crimes? And he might want to start worrying about Putin handing him over to Trump as a gesture of good will. Russia is trying to get out from underneath the economic sanctions which combined with the low oil prices is draining their economy.

  87. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, surveillance under fascist regimes always expands, never contracts.

  88. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    If I was Mexican maybe I would give a shit. I actually don't care that much about how Trump's proposed wall effects them, it's how it affects us. It's about our attitude towards immigration, how much it will cost, enforcement and legal issues (e.g. splitting up families where the children are US citizens and thus entitled to stay), and the actual practicality and feasibility of such an endeavor. Comprende?

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  89. Re:Bradley! Chelsea! Duck Season! Rabbit Season! by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    What the crap is a 'Jesus name'?

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  90. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grab george soros. Trade him for snowden. Pardon him.

    Everyone wins.

    Russia knows the score. They have a warrant out for soros 'dead or alive'.

  91. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pro tip: Don't do shady-ass shit, and you won't have to worry about your employees selling your sorry-ass agency down the Volga.

  92. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by fustakrakich · · Score: 1
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  93. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is also the Trump who spoke of making corporations bring operations back to the US. The sane Trump who was supportive of forcing Apple to break encryption at a fundamental level.

    He's unpredictable. Whatever he has said, it's difficult to paint him as being supportive of small government.

  94. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clinton's is great at draining money from odious middle eastern regimes in to her own pockets. Trump should find a use for this ability.

  95. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    No. It's just going to be monetized. Remember the love story between Germany's National Socialist Party and the Industry (Krupp, IG Farben et al)? Need I say more?

  96. Reining in "Reigning" by schnell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    Hi, friendly Grammar Nazi here! No offense intended to anyone, so to my liberal friends I am a "grammarian." To my Breitbart-reading friends, I am a "grammar-conscious Nationalist Socialist German Workers' Party member."

    The recent election has brought up the use of the phrase "reigning in" or "reining in" on Slashdot like seemingly never before. I figured I'd provide a bit of helpful guidance to reduce ambiguity.

    To "reign" is to rule in the sense of "regnal/royal" or kingly/queenly control over a kingdom, state or prom court. It is generally used with the preposition "over," as in "to reign over the prom and orchestrate choruses of "NEEEERRRRDDDDSSSSSS!" at the people who couldn't get dates tonight but will later shame us all at the 20 year reunion."

    To "rein" is to control an animal (e.g. a horse) tethered to a rider. When used in the phrase describing someone wanting to pull something back from its current pace, "rein in" (e.g. government growth, spending, post-prom unwanted pregnancies) this form is normally used.

    Happy reining and/or reigning, depending on your intended expression and/or high school prom experience.

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  97. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the rest of the world should wall-in you then!

  98. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    You actually believe what you just wrote, don't you?

    You are astoundingly delusional. Good grief...

  99. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone put someone they believe to be a felon in a position as an advisor and administrator?

    I ain't giving you a job! You're a not a goddam crook!
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  100. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    Yes, Trump will surely reign over more NSA data collection.

    What is it with you buffoons not knowing what reins are? Spent all your time in a basement, never seen a horse? Or are you just trolling? Find out who will believe you're an idiot? Hint: with your posting history, it is everyone

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  101. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The president *can* in fact pardon people that haven't been convicted of any crime, it's called a blanket pardon: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/blanket-pardons/

  102. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you feel the need to refute any prediction? Just gotta show the world how smart you are, eh?

  103. requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop mass surveillance on your own citizens without a warrant (and definitely no spreading of malware on your own country's machines - only do that if you have concrete reasons to worry about an attack by a foreign country), and no lying under oath like Clapper did.

  104. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

    And remember, Trump is pretty much unpredictable at this point...also

    There, fixed that for you.

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  105. Re:one nazi down by I75BJC · · Score: 2

    Hopefully, Crapper will not get off Scots-free. Regardless of the valuable work he has, or has not, accomplished for the USA Federal Government, he failed everyone when he lied. He showed himself NOT to a good employee of the USA Federal Government, a patriot or a loyal citizen of the USA. IMHO, he has shown himself to be a dishonorable person. The lying should come with a consequence. Will Obama pardon him also?

  106. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by I75BJC · · Score: 2

    Presidents can pardon people from future prosecution. Why do you think there is such a discussion in the Media about Obama pardoning Hill.

  107. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You can't really pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime"
    What crime was President Nixon convicted of? He was pardoned by President Ford for any crimes he might have committed.

  108. can't pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ford pardoned Nixon, who was not convicted of a crime. (but would have been.)

    I'm amused at all the good people think Trump will do. I hope they are correct, but doubt it, based on his past acts.

    1. Re:can't pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just hope he starts up the Minority Hunting squads, like he promised. If it ain't open season on Spics and N1ggers by mid-2017, well, I'll be pissed, that's what!

  109. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

    Competent people are super hard to find. Notice how there aren't any in the current administration? That's not for lack of searching.

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  110. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by strikethree · · Score: 1

    Oh crap. I just spent my last mod point. +5 insightful. Inciteful?

    Well said sir.

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  111. Uday or Qusay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which one of his sons will he appoint?

  112. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic by Talderas · · Score: 1

    It took the Snowden leaks to reveal the scope of the NSA activities. This seems like the sort of prediction that can never be refuted without a completely open government.

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  113. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    As for #2, immigration, whether for work or not, has been the domain of the federal government since the 1700s. It is one of the very very few things that the federal government does that is actually under its purview.

    This is cheesy and superficial, but his make-America-great slogan sounded a lot like an echo of LBJ's Great Society

    He's been specific that removing regulations will help businesses which will Make America Great again somehow. He didn't specify how, but apparently it will be a beautiful thing. He hasn't addressed how wealth only trickles up, how Trickle-Down Theory was a scam, and how money flows into the stock market instead making new jobs, but I'm sure he'll have some magnificent plan for that too.

  114. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone put someone they believe to be a felon in a position as an advisor and administrator?

    I'm not sure, but it would be consistent. There are a lot of weird questions you could ask about Trump's transition team and possible cabinet appointments.

    Trump railed against the economic elites, so why would he appoint David Malpass as his lead for Economic Issues? He was Chief Economist at Bear Stearns in the six years leading to its collapse. One of the men guiding the financial system into the worst disaster since the 1930s.

    Why appoint a climate change denier to the EPA? It makes as much sense as appointing felon hillary to, say, Attorney General.

    If Trump doesn't like the lobbyist/Washington cycle, then why choose the chairman of a major Washington lobbying firm to head up the Labor team?

    Why put Ken Klukowski, of all people, in charge of "protecting constitutional rights?" The virulently anti-gay religiously-conservative Breitbart columnist? Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.

    Mike Flynn, the man who fosters a religious war between Christianity and Islam, is the National Security Adviser. I'm sure that won't turn into a disaster.

    Mike Pompeo, who says that Edward Snowden should be given the death sentence and publicly supported the US Government's illegal domestic spying programs and said they should have been much further in scope, will be CIA chief. We learned nothing.

    Jeff Sessions says that Trump's "grabbing women by the pussy" is not sexual assault, just "very improper." Someone with that level of misunderstanding of assault laws is going to be Attorney General? Or who voted to allow "cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment" of individuals in custody by the US Government? The man who opposes "any reform" of civil forfeiture laws which allow the government to seize any property from someone whether or not they are guilty of a crime? The man who worked to remove Alabama university funding for gay-straight alliances because they promote "illegal, sexually deviate activities," which was struck down by the courts as an illegal infringement on free speech? People who don't like Big Government's meddling in a state's rights to control substances like cannabis will find an enemy in here! He also voted to deny President Obama's constitutional right to appoint any Supreme Court justice to replace Scalia. At this point I'm having a hard time thinking of someone more inappropriate to be Attorney General than Jeff Sessions is.

    So sure, why not give Hillary a cabinet position? She can join the other disasters nominated.

  115. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing Trump will do will be in the best interest of anybody but Trump.

  116. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by Agripa · · Score: 1

    You can't really pardon someone who has not been convicted of crime.

    There is no such limitation on pardons granted by the president.

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki...

  117. Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...

    Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.

    Could you explain reined in? Is it Trump not going to just monitor adversaries and look for dirty linen?

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  118. Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Presidents can pardon people from future prosecution. Why do you think there is such a discussion in the Media about Obama pardoning Hill.

    Essentially, Trump did this to himself. He got his crime for Trump University converted to a 1/3rd payout and a fine.
    Students lost with Trump, only got 1/3rd of their investment returned. Trump made a profit from a defunct university. SHAME SHAME SHAME.

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada