Well, I just went off on a rant to someone else who responded to my first comment like yourself.
If the whole network is built around security, and I'm not talking DRM, then stream ripping would be hard at least. Servlets could identify clients, XMMS and Winamp could not allow saving streams, and M$ would have to catch up.
I just think if they supported the development, developers would be more inclined to leave out those features. A law isn't necessary when you have billions of dollars to pour into the deployment of measures against piracy and in your case "hogging".
There isn't anything, rationally, restrictive about not letting people save copyrighted material. If you are a DJ, and would like to publish your works in a mp3 format or copies of live shows then release them on the regular P2P networks.
There is a sane solution to this mumbo-jumbo. Sites like Soma-FM didn't have to go down. I was actually let down because I was discovering new music with those stations, and now there isn't many places to go because of these actions. Where is it possible to have a choice? Freedom people. That is all I'm talking about.
We can exercise our freedoms in a manner which respects the law, and we can use the explosion of p2p possiblities also while respecting that law. We must make sure this isn't taken away from us.
It doesn't matter what you are playing. Likely it is owned by someone, if not then great - we need more new, live, different music.
But if any song is on a label that is owned by a mega-multinational that can collect, then the RIAA will get involved because they have the CARP.
If you are DJ'ing their music then they will destroy this technology, or try like they do with current P2P. This though could be better for them to develop so I don't understand why they would want to fight it. With this P2P you could bring their music to the masses, even to new countries... and it isn't going to be copied if they act now and actually support it.
There is no reason to let someone allow copyrighted music to be copied from the streams, sorry but the law requires it because of it's digital nature. They RIAA assumes that radio over Gnutella would be like a CD, which is funny at best.
By putting funds into clients, and helping their development maybe we would be more inclined to disable features which would make it possible to save their music from a stream. This is a breakthrough like any other - and there is no reason they can't get in on it and sponsor yet again.
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 10:31 am Post subject: Slashdot
Our router decided to die a minute ago because of the/... but hopefully it should be OK now. If you find it difficult to connect to connect1.peercast.org then please keep trying.. We have enough bandwidth (100Mb fibre).. just not a very good router [icon_smile.gif]
AOL/TW owns the content people will publish, CARP free.
Nullsoft created the original Gnutella, yet abandoned it because of AOL/TW of course...
Nullsoft would attract mindshare, stealing from Windows Media Player, +1 for AOL/TW.
Nullsoft would attract mindshare to shoutcast, and further it's free alternatives such as Icecast, even more stealing mindshare from Windows Media Player.
Yet AOL/TW doesn't want people out there streaming their music without paying up - and other companies would very quickly object to AOL/TW's software allowing people to do the same to them.
The next Winamp "Eula" equivalent would prohibit this type of technology -or- AOL/TW locks down your ability to "copy" streams* by co-developing the technology and it's okay.
*I favor this approach. I would rather the client to not allow stream "ripping". It would make more sense than to charge money for something that isn't even been stolen yet.
Yes, they are Communists, but that doesn't completely make them inhuman. They can be inhumane, but that is another issue.
They may leave things out or discourage certain lines of thought - but they teach physics, they've long been intellegent people and there is progress there.
Everything from guns to forks were invented by the Chinese.
But the fact that they copy things doesn't make them "uncool". The American legal system is copied, it's other branches of government copied. Many of it's resources are imported.
The list goes on but I've posted to much under this story as it is.
Japan is ahead of us because they use everything we do, and they use it 1000 times faster and better. We complain about 7-8 hour days, complaining about stress - we act as if working causes stress.
We invented the TV, and they make it, we invented the semiconductor... they use it in a million gadgets.
They are on "Tennis Time" we are on a beachy vacation time.
"You only thought you knew what you were until you read this book. I want to burn it. I wish I had never read it. I wish Howard Bloom had never been born. And it is now my Bible. It is undeniable. It is a force unto itself. Everything you believed before, it will rip from you. It will leave you a boneless jelly of confusion. It will be the voice of a new philosophical generation." Nassir Isaf, an 18-year-old reader from Bainbridge Island, WA
So, you are saying only Christian controlled areas are the ones which can be prosperous?
You know though that most things you use today were fundamentally invented first by the Chinese...?
But still, people ignore the fact that a "developing" country is the only type of place where changes can be made. For example here we are very controlling over our number one export "media". In other countries however, such as China, where they don't need to worry about "illegal" file swapping there can be explosions in those technologies; they can pioneer stuff we are to comfortable avoiding.
She is a great story of power. Instead of typing up a million things about Chinese history let me just sum it up in a quote:
"Of all that China exports to foreign countries there is not a thing which is not beneficial to people....On the other hand, articles coming from outside China can only be used as toys" -Lin Tse Hsu 1839 [To Queen Victoria]
But like you say; before that her fleet of vessels, a staff of 27,000 on 317 ships, was reaching Vietnam, Cambodia, India, the Arab Middle East and eastern Africa. Then just as quickly the law changed to stop those ships - they didn't want out side influences.
Look at the stories in "Once Upon A Time In China" even there they show China's distrust for the outside world.
Even now they have the cancer of (real world)-Communism which was imported, see why they worry. It ruined Chinese culture, even to this day.
Why does he need to... you don't think Warren Buffett more using Billy Borg to do something really "cool" with his investment.
They both stand to make money. Warren lends some control and his initial investment will skyrocket. It's sad, but it likely will happen. Imagine signing a contract with you next home builder which gets you a T1 or whatever Microsoft has to hold you in their greasy hands...
The people who attend these conferences are usually not interested in as much "black hat" hacking as you may think. It would be hard to find a reason to arrest much less convict many of the attendants.
These places are sometimes the places where new technologies are invented or destroyed (that is, if flaws are found... your new cell phone for example may provide to be a great scanner etc...).
Think of it as a conference for computer security but above all electronics engineering...
They are beyond pushing the OEM's and even Wal-Street now. Getting control, and maybe leverage, on rights or a way for someone to control your actions....
That should read: "The day will come however where it is a must! You will need Windows to use your passport"
Re:This is much worse than "offering the service"
on
MS Passport and... Visa
·
· Score: 4, Insightful
The scary part isn't here yet, at least not all the way.
Passport is the string that ties it all together. You will need passport to conduct business, either as a buyer or seller. I'm sure there will be "merchant" (lack of a better word) accounts which costs a bundle for the seller and they must have them to collect.
But currently many people are safe. You are nagged to death to get a passport or associate your passport with Windows but you can have a passport without Windows. The day will come however where you it is a must!
It truly scares me. I can see how three business steps, maybe two, could control the whole industry. And I'm not just talking about the "Desktop" market or even the computer market, I'm saying they could literally grab chunks of the Internet and put it in their own pockets.
Congress and the Justice Department need to jump on this and look into their plans before it's too late.
That is if anyone is serious about our or privacy or freedom.
We got these cool computers at school which had this cool thing called html... then I found things like telnet and wow! (before then I had only used lame AOL at my friends house-it was fun, but not functional)
Then I could finger coke machines and it was great... I knew we had to get on the internet at home! Of course then it didn't take long to browse all Yahoo! had to offer and I was on-line at a blazing 9600 baud.
Connected devices have always been my favorite things, and it's what I've used to this day to get people excited about the internet.
100% accurate or not, reports like this aren't going to change the way the U.S. lives -- we're too comfortable in our lifestyles to make big changes.
Of course not, because America still feels as if she is the only thing that matters. But we've started to slip, years ago; and there isn't anyone to blame. But we are the ones who open and connect the world, we don't control it but we play host a lot. But we aren't doing what we should.
One example is that Germany is the leader in "recyclable" cars. If this is a global problem, and the chance is, we need to be working on the same new technologies. If not we will lose our grip. We are living a life on high compared to others...
It's going to take some catastrophic change that impacts the U.S. directly to get us to wake up. Unfortunately it's developing countries which are going to feel those changes first.
I disagree. The motion of civilization will likely push developing nations to alternatives. We will be the ones in the rut.
The event that changes us is our resistance to move forward. It will be a developing nation that knocks us off. Staying ahead is the only solution.
Slashdot Mirror
sounds like how we stole beer when i worked for a grocery store... worked next to the cooler, had an apple box cases fit right in.
I would think the opposite would happen.
Well there isn't stats for those Windows machines which had their log files deleted before intruders left.
Well, I just went off on a rant to someone else who responded to my first comment like yourself.
If the whole network is built around security, and I'm not talking DRM, then stream ripping would be hard at least. Servlets could identify clients, XMMS and Winamp could not allow saving streams, and M$ would have to catch up.
I just think if they supported the development, developers would be more inclined to leave out those features. A law isn't necessary when you have billions of dollars to pour into the deployment of measures against piracy and in your case "hogging".
There isn't anything, rationally, restrictive about not letting people save copyrighted material. If you are a DJ, and would like to publish your works in a mp3 format or copies of live shows then release them on the regular P2P networks.
There is a sane solution to this mumbo-jumbo. Sites like Soma-FM didn't have to go down. I was actually let down because I was discovering new music with those stations, and now there isn't many places to go because of these actions. Where is it possible to have a choice? Freedom people. That is all I'm talking about.
We can exercise our freedoms in a manner which respects the law, and we can use the explosion of p2p possiblities also while respecting that law. We must make sure this isn't taken away from us.
It doesn't matter what you are playing. Likely it is owned by someone, if not then great - we need more new, live, different music.
But if any song is on a label that is owned by a mega-multinational that can collect, then the RIAA will get involved because they have the CARP.
If you are DJ'ing their music then they will destroy this technology, or try like they do with current P2P. This though could be better for them to develop so I don't understand why they would want to fight it. With this P2P you could bring their music to the masses, even to new countries... and it isn't going to be copied if they act now and actually support it.
There is no reason to let someone allow copyrighted music to be copied from the streams, sorry but the law requires it because of it's digital nature. They RIAA assumes that radio over Gnutella would be like a CD, which is funny at best.
By putting funds into clients, and helping their development maybe we would be more inclined to disable features which would make it possible to save their music from a stream. This is a breakthrough like any other - and there is no reason they can't get in on it and sponsor yet again.
Why are they so insane?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 10:31 am
/... but hopefully it should be OK now. If you find it difficult to connect to connect1.peercast.org then please keep trying.. We have enough bandwidth (100Mb fibre) .. just not a very good router [icon_smile.gif]
Post subject: Slashdot
Our router decided to die a minute ago because of the
It is complicated.
AOL/TW owns the content people will publish, CARP free.
Nullsoft created the original Gnutella, yet abandoned it because of AOL/TW of course...
Nullsoft would attract mindshare, stealing from Windows Media Player, +1 for AOL/TW.
Nullsoft would attract mindshare to shoutcast, and further it's free alternatives such as Icecast, even more stealing mindshare from Windows Media Player.
Yet AOL/TW doesn't want people out there streaming their music without paying up - and other companies would very quickly object to AOL/TW's software allowing people to do the same to them.
The next Winamp "Eula" equivalent would prohibit this type of technology -or- AOL/TW locks down your ability to "copy" streams* by co-developing the technology and it's okay.
*I favor this approach. I would rather the client to not allow stream "ripping". It would make more sense than to charge money for something that isn't even been stolen yet.
Yes, they are Communists, but that doesn't completely make them inhuman. They can be inhumane, but that is another issue.
They may leave things out or discourage certain lines of thought - but they teach physics, they've long been intellegent people and there is progress there.
They only created the modern world.
Everything from guns to forks were invented by the Chinese.
But the fact that they copy things doesn't make them "uncool". The American legal system is copied, it's other branches of government copied. Many of it's resources are imported.
The list goes on but I've posted to much under this story as it is.
Arggh!
Japan is ahead of us because they use everything we do, and they use it 1000 times faster and better. We complain about 7-8 hour days, complaining about stress - we act as if working causes stress.
We invented the TV, and they make it, we invented the semiconductor... they use it in a million gadgets.
They are on "Tennis Time" we are on a beachy vacation time.
Completely right.
Read more into this subject, and how we can save ourselves in "The Lucifer Principle" by Howard Bloom.
http://www.bookworld.com/lucifer/ -excerpts
http://howardbloom.net/
"You only thought you knew what you were until you read this book. I want to burn it. I wish I had never read it. I wish Howard Bloom had never been born. And it is now my Bible. It is undeniable. It is a force unto itself. Everything you believed before, it will rip from you. It will leave you a boneless jelly of confusion. It will be the voice of a new philosophical generation."
Nassir Isaf, an 18-year-old reader from Bainbridge Island, WA
So, you are saying only Christian controlled areas are the ones which can be prosperous?
You know though that most things you use today were fundamentally invented first by the Chinese...?
But still, people ignore the fact that a "developing" country is the only type of place where changes can be made. For example here we are very controlling over our number one export "media". In other countries however, such as China, where they don't need to worry about "illegal" file swapping there can be explosions in those technologies; they can pioneer stuff we are to comfortable avoiding.
we ARE helping their elite communist class get even richer and more entrenched in power (ugh);
So it'll basically be like America right? Why are you still afraid of Communism?
I bet you still think that the people in China are "uneducated", yet you live in the country with almost the worst educational system in the world!
Get over yourself.
So it'll basically be like America right?
She is a great story of power. Instead of typing up a million things about Chinese history let me just sum it up in a quote:
But like you say; before that her fleet of vessels, a staff of 27,000 on 317 ships, was reaching Vietnam, Cambodia, India, the Arab Middle East and eastern Africa. Then just as quickly the law changed to stop those ships - they didn't want out side influences.
Look at the stories in "Once Upon A Time In China" even there they show China's distrust for the outside world.
Even now they have the cancer of (real world)-Communism which was imported, see why they worry. It ruined Chinese culture, even to this day.
Why does he need to... you don't think Warren Buffett more using Billy Borg to do something really "cool" with his investment.
They both stand to make money. Warren lends some control and his initial investment will skyrocket. It's sad, but it likely will happen. Imagine signing a contract with you next home builder which gets you a T1 or whatever Microsoft has to hold you in their greasy hands...
Your comment is silly.
The people who attend these conferences are usually not interested in as much "black hat" hacking as you may think. It would be hard to find a reason to arrest much less convict many of the attendants.
These places are sometimes the places where new technologies are invented or destroyed (that is, if flaws are found... your new cell phone for example may provide to be a great scanner etc...).
Think of it as a conference for computer security but above all electronics engineering...
Why wouldn't it happen this way?
...he also considers Gates a genius.
Buffett and Gates are very good friends, they dine together and Warren speaks highly of Melinda...
They are beyond pushing the OEM's and even Wal-Street now. Getting control, and maybe leverage, on rights or a way for someone to control your actions....
i was going to go that far, but sure... could be
The day will come however where you it is a must!
To correct myself (very tye red)....
That should read: "The day will come however where it is a must! You will need Windows to use your passport"
The scary part isn't here yet, at least not all the way.
Passport is the string that ties it all together. You will need passport to conduct business, either as a buyer or seller. I'm sure there will be "merchant" (lack of a better word) accounts which costs a bundle for the seller and they must have them to collect.
But currently many people are safe. You are nagged to death to get a passport or associate your passport with Windows but you can have a passport without Windows. The day will come however where you it is a must!
It truly scares me. I can see how three business steps, maybe two, could control the whole industry. And I'm not just talking about the "Desktop" market or even the computer market, I'm saying they could literally grab chunks of the Internet and put it in their own pockets.
Congress and the Justice Department need to jump on this and look into their plans before it's too late.
That is if anyone is serious about our or privacy or freedom.
The Cambridge is what drew me online.
We got these cool computers at school which had this cool thing called html... then I found things like telnet and wow! (before then I had only used lame AOL at my friends house-it was fun, but not functional)
Then I could finger coke machines and it was great... I knew we had to get on the internet at home! Of course then it didn't take long to browse all Yahoo! had to offer and I was on-line at a blazing 9600 baud.
Connected devices have always been my favorite things, and it's what I've used to this day to get people excited about the internet.
But, I think this is the coolest thing I've seen (text version) besides this.
I was addicted to my garden!
It shows that going with Microsoft products they dictate what systems you run and what solutions you take.
100% accurate or not, reports like this aren't going to change the way the U.S. lives -- we're too comfortable in our lifestyles to make big changes.
Of course not, because America still feels as if she is the only thing that matters. But we've started to slip, years ago; and there isn't anyone to blame. But we are the ones who open and connect the world, we don't control it but we play host a lot. But we aren't doing what we should.
One example is that Germany is the leader in "recyclable" cars. If this is a global problem, and the chance is, we need to be working on the same new technologies. If not we will lose our grip. We are living a life on high compared to others...
It's going to take some catastrophic change that impacts the U.S. directly to get us to wake up. Unfortunately it's developing countries which are going to feel those changes first.
I disagree. The motion of civilization will likely push developing nations to alternatives. We will be the ones in the rut.
The event that changes us is our resistance to move forward. It will be a developing nation that knocks us off. Staying ahead is the only solution.