<p>"the powers that be" today have about as much respect for TJ as they do for, say, your average sample of belly button lint. Thus his arguments, true and logical and beautiful as they may be, carry about as much weight as said lint.</p>
<p>If you are lucky, your might for a moment appeal to some politicians nostalgia of history and patriotism, which will last for about 3 seconds, at which time the current realities and fat cheque from GlobalMegaCorp International will snap him back to his senses.</p>
<p>And, I disagree, the exact number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin is 1024.</p>
Adobe made the simple blunder of attacking a potential ally. Elcomsoft really just wanted to help.
The smart thing for Adobe to have done would have been to simply buy Elcomsoft, or hire the emplyees as consultants, or otherwise collaborate with them.
Adobe could then work with these individuals to insure that:
A- the eBook system is truly secure, something Adobes clients, and thus their shareholders, would surely appreciate (if there is anything to be learned by potential eBook clients (publishers) through this mess, it is that the eBook system is no so great (insecure), and a closer look should be given to the competition's system).
and
B- the eBook system has mechanisms in place to assure the rights of fair-use, private copying, citation, etc, which are guranteed under copyright and free spech laws -- that is, make it "slashdot freedom rant compliant", if you will.
If Adobe would have done this, they would have a better product, the Elcomsoft people would be rewarded for their hard work (and their concerns of security and fair use would be adressed), nobody would have to go to prison, and the governments and our time and energy and resources would be saved. It would have been the proverbial win-win situation (and Adobe could have spun some real support from all fronts by showing that they are working hard to improve their system and adress any potential doubts, even if this means "working with the enemy")
This would have prodably cost Adobe less than what they've already spent in legal fees and suffered in bad publicity, and, again, they would have a better product in the end - which is the goal, right?
So, why free dimitry? Because the whole thing was simply a gross strategic blunder on Adobe's part for letting their legal department run the show, rather than having thought intelligently for a moment about the situation and who they are dealing with. This is surprising, coming from Adobe, becouse outside of this incident, they have a reputation for being a wonderful company in every respect. (Note to Adobe: keep your legal department on a short leash, use them as a last resort, and get some people to help you deal intelligently with these situations.)
I wish I had Adobe stock right now. (Not only because I would be quite rich, but also) I would love to be able to voice these views at a shareholders meeting.
This is a moral/logical reason rather than the Feedom/Legal/Constitutional response I think Katz is looking for here. (It is also too late. Sorry. If I could travel back in time and tell Adobe this, I would.) I present it because I think that unfortunately the Constitution means s**t in America today, and talking about it is equivalent to talking about angels and pinheads...(unfortunately, i say)
I was recently alerted to the fact that your company has been changing the content of my web site without my permission.
I hereby ask you to discontinue the modification of the content coming from my web site immediately.
I understand that these changes are taking place on the client side, but I see no legal or moral difference between this and if you had illegally gained access to my servers - the end result is the same, and should be considered so by the authorities.
I am currently in contact with my lawyers to discuss the possibility of taking legal action against you for defacing my web site and/or copyright infringement, or other crimes yet to be specified.
The domains in question are:
[my domains...]
I expect you to remove my domains from your list within 24 hours.
I suggest a class action suit on the part of all webmasters.
Accuse them of defacing our web sites.
Call them Evil Hackers and the FBI will surely arrest them.
Is there really a difference if the web site is defaced on the client side or the server side? To be more precise, the changes could be described as taking place between the two.
Although, yes, I admit, there are parallels, The point about client side ad filters does not apply here. If I choose to filter ads, I download the software and install it by choice, thus it is me who who has made the decision. In this case, it seems, the client side is not 100% informed about the decision, and it is a 3rd party who is making the changes. It is a question of informed decision and choice.
Alternatively, classify it as a virus, have the antivirus packages delete it, and arrest the authors for writing such code.
The should have at least used an opt-in rather than opt-out system. Oh, but yeah, nobody would have opted in.... Maybe that means it's a bad idea to begin with???
Find out when the BSA/MS marketing circus is coming to your town and sponsor an anti-circus.
What wouldn't be a better time to hear about free software then right when you are preparing to shell out thousands of dollars to become "compliant"??? (gosh I love that word, why don't they just say "submissive").
People from the Linux Distro's and the UserGroups should orgainze install-fests and whatnot to coincide with these "events".
If only every employee of every marketing and ad agency would be forced to do public service for every billboard, banner ad, tv commercial, etc. they churn out...
Arachnoid intelligence spy ships have learned of the human's latest desctructive technologies via an internet source named "slashdot".
They have also learned that an unnamed insect on the planet was involved in a mid-air collision with a terrestrian "fly-swatter" combat unit, located in the "oval office" in the earthling city of washington
The arachnoids are demanding an apology, lest they unleash a torrent of asteroids on washington.
Although a majority of humans think this would be a good idea, President Dubba refuses to apologize, stating that the insect was "a hostile un-friendly, whose perpetration was to bug me"
The federation's minister of Retalliatory Arachnoid and Insect Death (RAID) has decalered War on Bugs.
Citizens everywhere are signing up to help defend planet.
From what I understand - Be wanted $200M. Apple said "too much".
A year later they bought NeXT for $400M.
If you know different - correct me.
I only wish that they had bought Be instead -- it could have been released a lot earlier, it would have made a better OS, and they wouldn't have had to take Jobs back - meaning the world would have just that much less ugly blue transparent plastic - not to mention ugly blue transparent User Interfaces. a real shame.
They say they want to print posters. I like the idea. But won't they have to include the source code for the PS file on the back of the poster??? Otherwise it would violate the GPL no?
The way i see things, events will neither get substantially better (the serious reform of IP laws that "we" want), nor get substantially worse (the absurd reality that Lanier shows the logic heading to).
From the Big Mean Media Corporations point of view, they have to keep things tolerable, otherwise you get revolution.
This is far more sinister than Lanier's "possibility", because our freedoms will be abused by Corporations (with the help of our friendly democratic government), but not to the point that things get so bad that they must change.
What we will see is that those of us who wish to exercise our freedoms will get caught in an endless cat and mouse game of crack-countercrack in some grim parody of Spy-vs-Spy, and we will be criminals and life will not be pleasent. Yes, every securtiy measure will broken and those who want to break the law will be able to, but at the price of it all being a big pain in the ass.
I don't really want to be a criminal, and i don't really want to have to spend my time and energy cracking stupid security measures in order to get what i want, and what to a large extent I have a moral and even legal right to. I would rather see IP laws reformed in a fair way... but that's seems a long way off.
From a certian view, I actually do wish that Lanier's proposed reality happens. Once things sink to that level, there will be a massive need for change which will be clear to all people, and all people will fight for this change. It might even mean a larger revolution. But as long as we can crack the security with relative ease, we will, rather than fight the big fight to change the situation at it's root; and as long as the situation doesn't get really absurd, it will be that much harder to push things back the other direction.
The last thing Aqua is is Usable. It is a usability disaster. Read Tog'scomments or the Ars Technica reviews (this one, for example. Aqua is not a usability wonder, it is marketing schlock...
(disclaimer, i am a loyal Mac User, and you would have to pry my powerbook running Platinum from my cold dead fingers. This said, When Aqua hits, i will be running windows...)
as far as usability, speed and general usefulness goes, Aqua is a disaster. By the time it ships, Linux (and linux PPC) will have a much nicer interface.
Apple's marketing gimmick scholck interfaces will grow really tiresome really quick (they aready have) and, if the apps are there (they are _not_, and unless Adobe and Macromedia port to linux and linux PPC, they "aren't"), then people will be using Linux and not MacOS X.
My proposal mentined nowhere the requirement for 1 single central list.
that's part of the idea, it's open. wanna diffferent list? make your own. are there other people around with the same taste as you? collaborate, share your lists and form a group.
there can be one or many 'large' lists, which, if they are reasonably acceptable, will be used my a majority of people.
-----
the whole thing is disgusting to me. i hate the idea of blacklists. the only idea here is to have a system that is _not_too_bad_, if we are forced to install the stuff, at least there should be an open, democratic, honest, quasi acceptable alternative. it would be better than seeing cyberpatrol & company everywhere.
I like that idea a lot, but wouldn't we then need 120 numerical characters?
with 12 we only need 2 more...
[i probably just put my foot in my mouth, but i am a zero-math-skills person. i would probably be the last person to be able to do base 12 or base anything but 10... Hell, i even failed math in kindergarten. we were supposed to add 2 and 2, and i kept counting the zero, counting the 2 twice, etc.... it was very frustrating. other kids were counting with fingers, i was doing abstract numbers. argh.] adrien cater boring.ch
everytime someone mentions changing our time system to decimel or watever, i have to put in my suggestion for the reverse:
chage our counting / numbering system to base 12
why? 12 makes more sense.
why?
well, 10 is divisible by 2 and by 5; while 12 is divible by 2 and 3 (and 4, and 6...).
dividing stuff into halves is great. dividing into 5ths? what for? Dividing into halves, thirds and quarters is so much more double plus better.
then we can leave our time system more or less like it is.
i mean, if we are going to make drastic changes, why not go all the way and do it right. rething the whole thing from the bottom up. of course, this will never happen, nor will changing time or even the calendar. hell, the US has been refusing for like 10 billion years to change to the decimel system (you know, like "centimeters" and other strange stuff like that...)
so what if we have 10 fingers. do you still count with your fingers?
OK, if this goes through, which i hope it doesn't, then we should be thinking of ways to minimize it's negative effects -- damage control.
If censorware _has_ to be installed, then let's attmept to make acceptable censorware (i know, i am starting badly, already into oxymorons...)
call it GNinteen84, for now
1. open source / free / etc.
2. start with _no_ sites blocked.
3. material can be proposed by anybody, submitted, reviewed, noted, voted, and pok-ed with a stick, and added to the blacklist if everyone agrees, more or less.
no material is ever "automatically" blacklisted. no material is _ever_ blacklisted untill it gets a solid "this is really bad" rating. say, aim for a 80% majority, or something like that.
4. who is everyone? _any_one who wants to be part of the process. make it like slashdot moderation. ok, bad example, but something like that. don't like what's on the balcklist? well, get in there and work on making it better.
5. set up certian safety measures so that a black listing can easily be contensted, by a frustrated user, the site's owner, joe modem. re-review procedures, etc. sites get put back in the review list, or something.
6. the blacklist is open to anyone who wants to inspect it, test it, click on the dirty links on an unfiltered line, poke at it with a stick, whatever.
etc.
So, this system would proceed very slowly, but at least we would be relatively certian that no decent material got blacklisted. of course, some porn will get in. don't like it? make it better, work on it, vote. of course, groups working together can influence the list to ban, say, ppolitical or religious views they oppose. of course, people who oppose those oppositions can also group together and cut out the cartels. but it's gotta be open.
step two: promote it. say wonderful things like "This is the only American way to censor! Democracy!". Note that because it is open and free and democratic, companies will not be swayed by financial or political pressures. etc.
Anyway, if there has to be censorware installed, we should really be working towards making it something only mildly displeasing.
just an idea.
if anyone is interested in working on such a project, talking about such a project, or thinks i am a complete idiot and wants to flame me, send me an email.
maybe someone like Jamie might be a good person to get such a project going. hint hint.
You slashdot people have very bad taste in humor! Don't you realize how dagerous video games really are?!?!
Just think if Kleybold and Harris had PS2s rather than just plain old PC games -- if they had 15 times as much processing power, think of havoc they might have wreked; they might just have nuked the school!
At home, video games are turning our children into crazed, heartless, violent, anti-social, devil warshipping killers; and abroad, video games are turning our 3rd world crazed heartless violent anti-social devil warshipping dictators into... well... PS2 playing 3rd world dictators!
Stop the madness! We must ban video games for the sake of our children, and our 3rd world dictators!
And you slashdot people should stop making light of this serious threat to the moral fabric of our world as well. shame on you all!
Slashdot Mirror
this means nothing today
<p>"the powers that be" today have about as much respect for TJ as they do for, say, your average sample of belly button lint. Thus his arguments, true and logical and beautiful as they may be, carry about as much weight as said lint.</p>
<p>If you are lucky, your might for a moment appeal to some politicians nostalgia of history and patriotism, which will last for about 3 seconds, at which time the current realities and fat cheque from GlobalMegaCorp International will snap him back to his senses.</p>
<p>And, I disagree, the exact number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin is 1024.</p>
<p>Adrien</p>
Adobe made the simple blunder of attacking a potential ally. Elcomsoft really just wanted to help.
The smart thing for Adobe to have done would have been to simply buy Elcomsoft, or hire the emplyees as consultants, or otherwise collaborate with them.
Adobe could then work with these individuals to insure that:
A- the eBook system is truly secure, something Adobes clients, and thus their shareholders, would surely appreciate (if there is anything to be learned by potential eBook clients (publishers) through this mess, it is that the eBook system is no so great (insecure), and a closer look should be given to the competition's system).
and
B- the eBook system has mechanisms in place to assure the rights of fair-use, private copying, citation, etc, which are guranteed under copyright and free spech laws -- that is, make it "slashdot freedom rant compliant", if you will.
If Adobe would have done this, they would have a better product, the Elcomsoft people would be rewarded for their hard work (and their concerns of security and fair use would be adressed), nobody would have to go to prison, and the governments and our time and energy and resources would be saved. It would have been the proverbial win-win situation (and Adobe could have spun some real support from all fronts by showing that they are working hard to improve their system and adress any potential doubts, even if this means "working with the enemy")
This would have prodably cost Adobe less than what they've already spent in legal fees and suffered in bad publicity, and, again, they would have a better product in the end - which is the goal, right?
So, why free dimitry? Because the whole thing was simply a gross strategic blunder on Adobe's part for letting their legal department run the show, rather than having thought intelligently for a moment about the situation and who they are dealing with. This is surprising, coming from Adobe, becouse outside of this incident, they have a reputation for being a wonderful company in every respect. (Note to Adobe: keep your legal department on a short leash, use them as a last resort, and get some people to help you deal intelligently with these situations.)
I wish I had Adobe stock right now. (Not only because I would be quite rich, but also) I would love to be able to voice these views at a shareholders meeting.
This is a moral/logical reason rather than the Feedom/Legal/Constitutional response I think Katz is looking for here. (It is also too late. Sorry. If I could travel back in time and tell Adobe this, I would.) I present it because I think that unfortunately the Constitution means s**t in America today, and talking about it is equivalent to talking about angels and pinheads...(unfortunately, i say)
Adrien
scare the shit out of them!
Does anydoby have the phone numbers of Adobe's Legal team handy? I'd like to see the FBI get invloved :-)
Point and Grunt
I was recently alerted to the fact that your company has been changing the content of my web site without my permission.
I hereby ask you to discontinue the modification of the content coming from my web site immediately.
I understand that these changes are taking place on the client side, but I see no legal or moral difference between this and if you had illegally gained access to my servers - the end result is the same, and should be considered so by the authorities.
I am currently in contact with my lawyers to discuss the possibility of taking legal action against you for defacing my web site and/or copyright infringement, or other crimes yet to be specified.
The domains in question are:
[my domains...]
I expect you to remove my domains from your list within 24 hours.
thank you,
Adrien Cater
address, etc.
bla bla bla...
Point and Grunt
Point and Grunt
I suggest a class action suit on the part of all webmasters.
Accuse them of defacing our web sites.
Call them Evil Hackers and the FBI will surely arrest them.
Is there really a difference if the web site is defaced on the client side or the server side? To be more precise, the changes could be described as taking place between the two.
Although, yes, I admit, there are parallels, The point about client side ad filters does not apply here. If I choose to filter ads, I download the software and install it by choice, thus it is me who who has made the decision. In this case, it seems, the client side is not 100% informed about the decision, and it is a 3rd party who is making the changes. It is a question of informed decision and choice.
Alternatively, classify it as a virus, have the antivirus packages delete it, and arrest the authors for writing such code.
The should have at least used an opt-in rather than opt-out system. Oh, but yeah, nobody would have opted in.... Maybe that means it's a bad idea to begin with???
Point and Grunt
Find out when the BSA/MS marketing circus is coming to your town and sponsor an anti-circus.
What wouldn't be a better time to hear about free software then right when you are preparing to shell out thousands of dollars to become "compliant"??? (gosh I love that word, why don't they just say "submissive").
People from the Linux Distro's and the UserGroups should orgainze install-fests and whatnot to coincide with these "events".
Point and Grunt
The other question was about longevity.
I have heard that LCD's will last a rather long time.
Does anyone know different?
Point and Grunt
I just ran a long article at Point and Grunt entitled 10 big fingers discussing the half keaboard and many others.
please excuse the shameless self promotion, but it's at lease somewhat relevant.
Point and Grunt
If only every employee of every marketing and ad agency would be forced to do public service for every billboard, banner ad, tv commercial, etc. they churn out...
the world would be a better place.
Point and Grunt
Their video was very suspicius. It looks to be more of a demo of what this might look like than an actual video of some guy climbing a building.
which means: vaporware
too bad.
Point and Grunt
Arachnoid intelligence spy ships have learned of the human's latest desctructive technologies via an internet source named "slashdot".
They have also learned that an unnamed insect on the planet was involved in a mid-air collision with a terrestrian "fly-swatter" combat unit, located in the "oval office" in the earthling city of washington
The arachnoids are demanding an apology, lest they unleash a torrent of asteroids on washington.
Although a majority of humans think this would be a good idea, President Dubba refuses to apologize, stating that the insect was "a hostile un-friendly, whose perpetration was to bug me"
The federation's minister of Retalliatory Arachnoid and Insect Death (RAID) has decalered War on Bugs.
Citizens everywhere are signing up to help defend planet.
Want to know more?
adrien
From what I understand - Be wanted $200M. Apple said "too much".
A year later they bought NeXT for $400M.
If you know different - correct me.
I only wish that they had bought Be instead -- it could have been released a lot earlier, it would have made a better OS, and they wouldn't have had to take Jobs back - meaning the world would have just that much less ugly blue transparent plastic - not to mention ugly blue transparent User Interfaces. a real shame.
adrien
i know. i was trying to be funny.
adrien cater
boring.ch
They say they want to print posters. I like the idea. But won't they have to include the source code for the PS file on the back of the poster??? Otherwise it would violate the GPL no?
adrien cater
boring.ch
The way i see things, events will neither get substantially better (the serious reform of IP laws that "we" want), nor get substantially worse (the absurd reality that Lanier shows the logic heading to).
From the Big Mean Media Corporations point of view, they have to keep things tolerable, otherwise you get revolution.
This is far more sinister than Lanier's "possibility", because our freedoms will be abused by Corporations (with the help of our friendly democratic government), but not to the point that things get so bad that they must change.
What we will see is that those of us who wish to exercise our freedoms will get caught in an endless cat and mouse game of crack-countercrack in some grim parody of Spy-vs-Spy, and we will be criminals and life will not be pleasent. Yes, every securtiy measure will broken and those who want to break the law will be able to, but at the price of it all being a big pain in the ass.
I don't really want to be a criminal, and i don't really want to have to spend my time and energy cracking stupid security measures in order to get what i want, and what to a large extent I have a moral and even legal right to. I would rather see IP laws reformed in a fair way... but that's seems a long way off.
From a certian view, I actually do wish that Lanier's proposed reality happens. Once things sink to that level, there will be a massive need for change which will be clear to all people, and all people will fight for this change. It might even mean a larger revolution. But as long as we can crack the security with relative ease, we will, rather than fight the big fight to change the situation at it's root; and as long as the situation doesn't get really absurd, it will be that much harder to push things back the other direction.
please tell me i'm woring...
adrien cater
boring.ch
The last thing Aqua is is Usable. It is a usability disaster. Read Tog's comments or the Ars Technica reviews (this one, for example. Aqua is not a usability wonder, it is marketing schlock...
(disclaimer, i am a loyal Mac User, and you would have to pry my powerbook running Platinum from my cold dead fingers. This said, When Aqua hits, i will be running windows...)
adrien cater
boring.ch
yeah, that's correct.
as far as usability, speed and general usefulness goes, Aqua is a disaster. By the time it ships, Linux (and linux PPC) will have a much nicer interface.
Apple's marketing gimmick scholck interfaces will grow really tiresome really quick (they aready have) and, if the apps are there (they are _not_, and unless Adobe and Macromedia port to linux and linux PPC, they "aren't"), then people will be using Linux and not MacOS X.
just my opinion.
adrien cater
boring.ch
on a recent (very short, thank god) back to the united states this fall, i heard a few people saying things like:
"if GW get's elected president, i will leave the country"
i always laughed at this proposition, and my only reply was:
"why wait?"
adrien cater
boring.ch
My proposal mentined nowhere the requirement for 1 single central list.
that's part of the idea, it's open. wanna diffferent list? make your own. are there other people around with the same taste as you? collaborate, share your lists and form a group.
there can be one or many 'large' lists, which, if they are reasonably acceptable, will be used my a majority of people.
-----
the whole thing is disgusting to me. i hate the idea of blacklists. the only idea here is to have a system that is _not_too_bad_, if we are forced to install the stuff, at least there should be an open, democratic, honest, quasi acceptable alternative. it would be better than seeing cyberpatrol & company everywhere.
just a thought.
adrien cater
boring.ch
I like that idea a lot, but wouldn't we then need 120 numerical characters?
with 12 we only need 2 more...
[i probably just put my foot in my mouth, but i am a zero-math-skills person. i would probably be the last person to be able to do base 12 or base anything but 10... Hell, i even failed math in kindergarten. we were supposed to add 2 and 2, and i kept counting the zero, counting the 2 twice, etc.... it was very frustrating. other kids were counting with fingers, i was doing abstract numbers. argh.]
adrien cater
boring.ch
everytime someone mentions changing our time system to decimel or watever, i have to put in my suggestion for the reverse:
chage our counting / numbering system to base 12why? 12 makes more sense.
why?
well, 10 is divisible by 2 and by 5; while 12 is divible by 2 and 3 (and 4, and 6...).
dividing stuff into halves is great. dividing into 5ths? what for? Dividing into halves, thirds and quarters is so much more double plus better.
then we can leave our time system more or less like it is.
i mean, if we are going to make drastic changes, why not go all the way and do it right. rething the whole thing from the bottom up. of course, this will never happen, nor will changing time or even the calendar. hell, the US has been refusing for like 10 billion years to change to the decimel system (you know, like "centimeters" and other strange stuff like that...)so what if we have 10 fingers. do you still count with your fingers?
adrien cater
boring.ch
OK, if this goes through, which i hope it doesn't, then we should be thinking of ways to minimize it's negative effects -- damage control.
If censorware _has_ to be installed, then let's attmept to make acceptable censorware (i know, i am starting badly, already into oxymorons...)
call it GNinteen84, for now
1. open source / free / etc.
2. start with _no_ sites blocked.
3. material can be proposed by anybody, submitted, reviewed, noted, voted, and pok-ed with a stick, and added to the blacklist if everyone agrees, more or less.
no material is ever "automatically" blacklisted. no material is _ever_ blacklisted untill it gets a solid "this is really bad" rating. say, aim for a 80% majority, or something like that.
4. who is everyone? _any_one who wants to be part of the process. make it like slashdot moderation. ok, bad example, but something like that. don't like what's on the balcklist? well, get in there and work on making it better.
5. set up certian safety measures so that a black listing can easily be contensted, by a frustrated user, the site's owner, joe modem. re-review procedures, etc. sites get put back in the review list, or something.
6. the blacklist is open to anyone who wants to inspect it, test it, click on the dirty links on an unfiltered line, poke at it with a stick, whatever.
etc.
So, this system would proceed very slowly, but at least we would be relatively certian that no decent material got blacklisted. of course, some porn will get in. don't like it? make it better, work on it, vote. of course, groups working together can influence the list to ban, say, ppolitical or religious views they oppose. of course, people who oppose those oppositions can also group together and cut out the cartels. but it's gotta be open.
step two: promote it. say wonderful things like "This is the only American way to censor! Democracy!". Note that because it is open and free and democratic, companies will not be swayed by financial or political pressures. etc.
Anyway, if there has to be censorware installed, we should really be working towards making it something only mildly displeasing.
just an idea.
if anyone is interested in working on such a project, talking about such a project, or thinks i am a complete idiot and wants to flame me, send me an email.
maybe someone like Jamie might be a good person to get such a project going. hint hint.
adrien cater
boring.ch
You slashdot people have very bad taste in humor! Don't you realize how dagerous video games really are?!?!
Just think if Kleybold and Harris had PS2s rather than just plain old PC games -- if they had 15 times as much processing power, think of havoc they might have wreked; they might just have nuked the school!
At home, video games are turning our children into crazed, heartless, violent, anti-social, devil warshipping killers; and abroad, video games are turning our 3rd world crazed heartless violent anti-social devil warshipping dictators into... well... PS2 playing 3rd world dictators!
Stop the madness! We must ban video games for the sake of our children, and our 3rd world dictators!And you slashdot people should stop making light of this serious threat to the moral fabric of our world as well. shame on you all!
--
adrien cater
boring.ch
eventualy, yes.
all linux realy needs to do that is shrinkwrap apps, namely everything adobe makes, and macromedia stuff.
sure, gimp is cool, but to get a mass of mac people on linux, you would need photoshop.
imho, this would be a good thing. Mac/Aqua is becoming a I catastrphe, and it needs serious copetition.
as it is now, a lot of professionals will be migrating to windows just to have a useable machine, or holding out as long as possible with OS9 (tog)
woudn't it be beautiful if linux were there to pick up the slack?
a little gui work, and apps apps apps.
adrien cater
boring.ch