Why can't the music industry sell us cool packaged deals like dvd's with all sorts of little 'extras'?
BMG has been doing this with a lot of their artists (Dave Matthews Band, Foo Fighters, etc.). I think it would be very cool if all regular CDs sold for around $8-12, and the labels could release special editions which would be in nice packaging with lots of extra features and price it at twice as much or more (like many DVDs do). Fans would pay the extra to "have" something worth collecting, and casual listeners could pick up just the music nice and cheap.
...that the 32kg of water go away, and are never to be seen again? Oh no!!! We could run out of water!!!
I've also heard that it takes dozens or even hundreds of people just to get that chip into your hands too. Engineers, Manufacturers, Accountants, Deliverymen, Salesman!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Think of the PEOPLE!!!!
Do you ever go to work? Go out with friends? Buy groceries?
Of course, but I do not work at a CD shop, I do not hang out in CD shops, and I most certainly do not buy groceries from a CD shop. I have to go out of my way to purchase it. I can't reasonably expect to download a bag of groceries over HTTP -- but I -can- do that with
What kind of backwater town is this? 'round here we have these dere things called "Shawpeeng Malls". Also "Dee-part-meant Stores" and "Plahzas". I'd have to go out of my way not to be in a convenient location to buy a CD. Heck, I thought the U.S. was the king of Wal-mart.
We also can download groceries over the web (more or less), go online, pick out your groceries and they show up the next day.
The store descibed doesn't exist. That was sort of the point.
Maybe they only exist in Canada then... My girlfriend (who's from Russia/Ukraine) was amazed that you could return stuff at stores here. Most stores around here (Toronto, specifically) will accept returns on just about anything - from clothes (Sears), to food (Most any grocery store), to video games (EB, GameShack), to music(HMV). Heck, Canadian Tire, a national hardware store, will exchange any of their brand of hardware at any time. No receipt needed, and even if it's just worn out from regular use. I assumed this was a North American thing, maybe it's just Canadian.
If this is a Canadian thing... it explains a little more of the grumblings I come across on/. about this kind of stuff. I've always taken "Satisfaction Guaranteed" for granted.
I see. So, what you're saying is that everyband posts their songs online.
Sorry if I misled you, but it's worth taking a look.
What I'm going to tell you may sound crazy, but if you look out your windows you will see pigs with wings flying around.
It does, and I don't.
Find me a cd shop in my area, that I can find which let's me listen to cd's before I purchase them, and has descent cd prices. I live in Redmond, WA, thanks in advance.
Find your own damn store you lazy ass.
What I've been doing is downloading musinc to preview it and buying it on amazon. If that's stealing then so be it. The ability to preview music online is the sole reason to buy stuff on the internet. Furthermore if a store let me preview any cd before I purchased it I would rather do that as the stuff that you can download online is rather limited.
Well good for you. What the hell is your problem with my comments if you already know how to legally preview music and purchase online?
There's really no reason for me to get into my car and make a 30 minute round trip to sample an album
Do you ever go to work? Go out with friends? Buy groceries?
Secondly -- if I sample the music and don't buy it then the -retailer- is picking up the cost of me being in their store rather than the entity that stands the most to gain from a possible purchase: The RIAA. They promote the music, let them use up their bandwidth to provide me samples of their artists songs. The retailler is their to retail, not to market.
Retailers are happy to pick up the "cost" of you being in their store. The longer you're there, the more chance you're going to buy something. That's why they put those listening posts there in the first place. The RIAA, does not stand to gain the most from a purchase, the writer does. The RIAA also does not promote music, that's the business of the record label, retailer, and artist. The retailer especially, after all, they're competing with other stores. They want you to buy Sum 41's new album from them, not the guy down the road.
Third -- If I could purchase an album entirely, or single tracks from my own apartment that alone would save me the 30 minute drive that I have to make even when I -DO- live in a major city. To me that 30 minutes is easily worth 5 dollars that I would spend in gas and hassle getting into town and back again. It's cost effective for me to go out and legally buy the artist I just heard on the radio from my own apartment, yet I cannot legally do it. It irks me to no end.
You *can* purhcase a complete album, and often singles from several online stores. You can also return the product if you're not happy with, often online or in store.
Your digital consumers are already putting things into.OGG and.MP3 as soon as they get home. I sure as heck do. Do I share out across the 'net once I've got it in that format? No -- only to people I know that have interest in the music and may very well go out and buy the CD also.
And it's the consumers right to make digital copies for their own use. But it's not within their right to copy that music for friends, whether they'll buy the album or not.
So, let's say I want to buy Pink Floyd's Animals. Or Paul Lansky's Fantasies and Tableaux. Or Nirvana's Nevermind. Believe it or not, (gasp) I can't preview the entire album online for free!
See my comment about walking into a "store".
What if the CD's not in stock? That's usually the case for the kind of music I listen to, and to get it in stock you have to order it and pay a deposit. The only way for me to preview an album is to download "illegal MP3z" of it.
Well, first off, the parent poster seemed to be mostly upset about the recent crap that's been released. So if it's recent, it's probably in stock.
And people!!! If you don't like the album, BRING IT BACK!!! Most store's have some kind of satisfaction guarantee, use it! Store's want your business and want you to be happy, they aren't out to screw you as many of the/.'ers will have you believe. Ask about the store's return policy before you buy, and if they won't give store credit for returns - go somewhere else and tell them why.
I want to hear a majority of the album before I buy it. Oh, sorry, that would require me to STEAL the music first.
No it doesn't. OK, so you want to hear more than just the singles played on the radio and the videos on TV. Well, if you can make your way to/. you can probably make your way to the band's website and preview the tracks online.
Or just drop by your local music shop. Most have listening stations loaded with the current top sellers, and if you ask you can often get to hear any CD you like before purchasing.
Good point.... I'd wager that Apple moving away from IE will help push the alternative browsers along. Less people will think "I *have* to use IE to view the web sites I visit" and there will be more people investigating Netscape again, as well as Mozilla, Opera, etc.
The world already boasts of several million Mandrake Linux users, and we know at least 200,000 of you. We could get over this crunch if less than 20,000 users became Silver Members of MandrakeClub.
I guess since I run it on my desktop, and finally convinced my wife to run it on her laptop, I should cave and make that 19,999 users.
Well... it does say if less than 20,000 users. Seems to me that 1 is less than 20,000. Register your wife and you will have single-handedly saved Mandrake! Congratulations!
Unfortunately, I could show you a few... but those were a few years ago. I hope everyone else learned from their mistakes:-)
We would of course tell everyone in advance, and when it came to reformatting someones drive to reinstall windows, 9 out of 10 people would say "Yeah, go ahead, it's just the kids games anyways".
Sounds like you've had some very different experience with corporations than I have. I'm used to places having fixed budgets, biased vp's/managers who figure that standards mean MS standards.
I do agree with the principles you're illustrating though. There's no reason why a crossplatform website can't be built if the designers and programmers keep that in mind and have the ability to do so (and all for a reasonable price). But hey, so many people who shouldn't be doing these jobs are, all because they picked up an MCSE at one of those computer training companies located at your nearest shopping mall.
Anyways, what's with the A/C posting? You have valid comments. I don't see why you'd get knocked down (and if you're really concerned, just click that "No score +1 bonus", that's what it's for). It's nice to know if you're the poster I replied to earlier, or someone else.
It costs no extra money to develop a web site that is standards compliant
Unfortunately, you don't know the answer to this. It may very well take less programming time to implement this site's features using MS javascript crap. Or, Philips may have struck a deal with an MS only contractor/webshop. Or Philips had developers on staff that only know how to work with MS tech.
Furthermore, have you ever developed a website that consists of more than just basic HTML? It takes extra time to test on all the platforms you're targeting (multiple OS, multiple browsers) throughout the development cycle.
Anyways moderators, go ahead and mod me down with Bungi for having a little bit of pro-MS sentiment in this post. We really should know better being/. and all;-)
Know what? My coffeemaker says the same thing about using only "Genuine MR Coffee Filters". But at the end of the day a coffee filter is a coffee filter, and you don't see Mr Coffee suing generic coffee filter manufacturers for this kind of thing.
I must not have quoted the parent very well as you're the second to suggest I'm arguing on the side of Lexmark in the story. I'm not arguing against the story at all, just the parent's post.
Secondly, if Lexmark let consumers know that only their toner cartridges worked with Lexmark printers, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
Lexmark already does this by recommending only using their own accessories/supplies. My point is that Lexmark shouldn't be held responsible if Joe User buys a third party cartridge and it doesn't work. Just as you shouldn't blame Mr. Coffee if that other brand coffee filter rips and dumps grounds into your coffee.
The whole Lexmark suing other companies is not something I have an opinion on:-)
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Is there a performance increase in using OpenNIC? Or a noticeable one anyways?
:-)
As long as they don't support new.net, I'm switching over
100% of all queries would be unnecessary if all the lazy 'net users would just maintain their own hosts file and use IP addresses....
Why can't the music industry sell us cool packaged deals like dvd's with all sorts of little 'extras'?
BMG has been doing this with a lot of their artists (Dave Matthews Band, Foo Fighters, etc.). I think it would be very cool if all regular CDs sold for around $8-12, and the labels could release special editions which would be in nice packaging with lots of extra features and price it at twice as much or more (like many DVDs do). Fans would pay the extra to "have" something worth collecting, and casual listeners could pick up just the music nice and cheap.
I've also heard that it takes dozens or even hundreds of people just to get that chip into your hands too. Engineers, Manufacturers, Accountants, Deliverymen, Salesman!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Think of the PEOPLE!!!!
Do you ever go to work? Go out with friends? Buy groceries?
Of course, but I do not work at a CD shop, I do not hang out in CD shops, and I most certainly do not buy groceries from a CD shop. I have to go out of my way to purchase it. I can't reasonably expect to download a bag of groceries over HTTP -- but I -can- do that with
What kind of backwater town is this? 'round here we have these dere things called "Shawpeeng Malls". Also "Dee-part-meant Stores" and "Plahzas". I'd have to go out of my way not to be in a convenient location to buy a CD. Heck, I thought the U.S. was the king of Wal-mart.
We also can download groceries over the web (more or less), go online, pick out your groceries and they show up the next day.
The store descibed doesn't exist. That was sort of the point.
/. about this kind of stuff. I've always taken "Satisfaction Guaranteed" for granted.
Maybe they only exist in Canada then... My girlfriend (who's from Russia/Ukraine) was amazed that you could return stuff at stores here. Most stores around here (Toronto, specifically) will accept returns on just about anything - from clothes (Sears), to food (Most any grocery store), to video games (EB, GameShack), to music(HMV). Heck, Canadian Tire, a national hardware store, will exchange any of their brand of hardware at any time. No receipt needed, and even if it's just worn out from regular use. I assumed this was a North American thing, maybe it's just Canadian.
If this is a Canadian thing... it explains a little more of the grumblings I come across on
I see. So, what you're saying is that everyband posts their songs online.
Sorry if I misled you, but it's worth taking a look.
What I'm going to tell you may sound crazy, but if you look out your windows you will see pigs with wings flying around.
It does, and I don't.
Find me a cd shop in my area, that I can find which let's me listen to cd's before I purchase them, and has descent cd prices. I live in Redmond, WA, thanks in advance.
Find your own damn store you lazy ass.
What I've been doing is downloading musinc to preview it and buying it on amazon. If that's stealing then so be it. The ability to preview music online is the sole reason to buy stuff on the internet. Furthermore if a store let me preview any cd before I purchased it I would rather do that as the stuff that you can download online is rather limited.
Well good for you. What the hell is your problem with my comments if you already know how to legally preview music and purchase online?
There's really no reason for me to get into my car and make a 30 minute round trip to sample an album
.OGG and .MP3 as soon as they get home. I sure as heck do. Do I share out across the 'net once I've got it in that format? No -- only to people I know that have interest in the music and may very well go out and buy the CD also.
Do you ever go to work? Go out with friends? Buy groceries?
Secondly -- if I sample the music and don't buy it then the -retailer- is picking up the cost of me being in their store rather than the entity that stands the most to gain from a possible purchase: The RIAA. They promote the music, let them use up their bandwidth to provide me samples of their artists songs. The retailler is their to retail, not to market.
Retailers are happy to pick up the "cost" of you being in their store. The longer you're there, the more chance you're going to buy something. That's why they put those listening posts there in the first place. The RIAA, does not stand to gain the most from a purchase, the writer does. The RIAA also does not promote music, that's the business of the record label, retailer, and artist. The retailer especially, after all, they're competing with other stores. They want you to buy Sum 41's new album from them, not the guy down the road.
Third -- If I could purchase an album entirely, or single tracks from my own apartment that alone would save me the 30 minute drive that I have to make even when I -DO- live in a major city. To me that 30 minutes is easily worth 5 dollars that I would spend in gas and hassle getting into town and back again. It's cost effective for me to go out and legally buy the artist I just heard on the radio from my own apartment, yet I cannot legally do it. It irks me to no end.
You *can* purhcase a complete album, and often singles from several online stores. You can also return the product if you're not happy with, often online or in store.
Your digital consumers are already putting things into
And it's the consumers right to make digital copies for their own use. But it's not within their right to copy that music for friends, whether they'll buy the album or not.
I just thought of a way to save the music industry. They could diversify and start releasing pr0n videos rather than regular music videos.
Have you seen the latest Christina Aguilera videos? (Specifically - Dirrty)
Hey, Hilary! Try this out for a business plan!
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1) Don't release any more from the backcatalog,
2) Act surprised when the backcatalog brings in no more revenue.
3) [
4) Don't profit!
Hey, Tackhead!
Guess what, Hilary doesn't own the record labels. And I doubt the record labels could care less about her opinion as to what to release.
So, let's say I want to buy Pink Floyd's Animals. Or Paul Lansky's Fantasies and Tableaux. Or Nirvana's Nevermind. Believe it or not, (gasp) I can't preview the entire album online for free!
/.'ers will have you believe. Ask about the store's return policy before you buy, and if they won't give store credit for returns - go somewhere else and tell them why.
See my comment about walking into a "store".
What if the CD's not in stock? That's usually the case for the kind of music I listen to, and to get it in stock you have to order it and pay a deposit. The only way for me to preview an album is to download "illegal MP3z" of it.
Well, first off, the parent poster seemed to be mostly upset about the recent crap that's been released. So if it's recent, it's probably in stock.
And people!!! If you don't like the album, BRING IT BACK!!! Most store's have some kind of satisfaction guarantee, use it! Store's want your business and want you to be happy, they aren't out to screw you as many of the
I want to hear a majority of the album before I buy it. Oh, sorry, that would require me to STEAL the music first.
/. you can probably make your way to the band's website and preview the tracks online.
No it doesn't. OK, so you want to hear more than just the singles played on the radio and the videos on TV. Well, if you can make your way to
Or just drop by your local music shop. Most have listening stations loaded with the current top sellers, and if you ask you can often get to hear any CD you like before purchasing.
This has been discussed before, read more:
http://www.nypost.com/business/66512.htm
in only 6 countries AFAIK (US, UK, JP, D, Aus, Sw).
Hellooooooooooo, greetings from Canada, eh.
All others are left out in the cold.
No doot aboot it.
Another note is how does it really hurt mozilla.
Good point.... I'd wager that Apple moving away from IE will help push the alternative browsers along. Less people will think "I *have* to use IE to view the web sites I visit" and there will be more people investigating Netscape again, as well as Mozilla, Opera, etc.
het - as in heterosexual. Also known as breeders.
/. being a heterosexual isn't often going to make one a breeder ;-)
Ah, ok, thanks. Although I think here on
If cars were like computers, we'd be driving a flying car that got 1,000 miles to the ounce
And it'd only crash about 5 times a day.
Hi, welcome to /. The place where obligatory simpsons references are posted whenever possible.
By the way, what the heck is a het?
Unfortunately, I could show you a few... but those were a few years ago. I hope everyone else learned from their mistakes :-)
We would of course tell everyone in advance, and when it came to reformatting someones drive to reinstall windows, 9 out of 10 people would say "Yeah, go ahead, it's just the kids games anyways".
No... *That* was a funny post. *Your* post was a troll... and come to think of it.... this probably is too. MOD ME DOWN -1 TROLL.
Sounds like you've had some very different experience with corporations than I have. I'm used to places having fixed budgets, biased vp's/managers who figure that standards mean MS standards.
I do agree with the principles you're illustrating though. There's no reason why a crossplatform website can't be built if the designers and programmers keep that in mind and have the ability to do so (and all for a reasonable price). But hey, so many people who shouldn't be doing these jobs are, all because they picked up an MCSE at one of those computer training companies located at your nearest shopping mall.
Anyways, what's with the A/C posting? You have valid comments. I don't see why you'd get knocked down (and if you're really concerned, just click that "No score +1 bonus", that's what it's for). It's nice to know if you're the poster I replied to earlier, or someone else.
It costs no extra money to develop a web site that is standards compliant
/. and all ;-)
Unfortunately, you don't know the answer to this. It may very well take less programming time to implement this site's features using MS javascript crap. Or, Philips may have struck a deal with an MS only contractor/webshop. Or Philips had developers on staff that only know how to work with MS tech.
Furthermore, have you ever developed a website that consists of more than just basic HTML? It takes extra time to test on all the platforms you're targeting (multiple OS, multiple browsers) throughout the development cycle.
Anyways moderators, go ahead and mod me down with Bungi for having a little bit of pro-MS sentiment in this post. We really should know better being
I must not have quoted the parent very well as you're the second to suggest I'm arguing on the side of Lexmark in the story. I'm not arguing against the story at all, just the parent's post.
Lexmark already does this by recommending only using their own accessories/supplies. My point is that Lexmark shouldn't be held responsible if Joe User buys a third party cartridge and it doesn't work. Just as you shouldn't blame Mr. Coffee if that other brand coffee filter rips and dumps grounds into your coffee.
The whole Lexmark suing other companies is not something I have an opinion on