It doesn't matter if it works in some places. "the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo can only be used on discs complying with the CD-DA specification: IEC 60908..."
These discs don't comply.
They aren't genuine 'CDs' in the philips-sony trademark definition sense of the term.
I don't know how. The theme song is my number one complaint tonight. That singing! It's just wrong... That kind of music is bets kept on copy protected cd's, not on star trek.
Am I the only onwe that thinks it's kinda of sad that this got +5, iformative?
Quite possibly. I can't think why anyone else would find it sad that link to pictures of the hot chick from the new star trek serries got modded informative.
I was informed. How is that sad? Surely pictures of Jolene Blalock aren't sad!
what the hell did you call good ole Seven-Of-Nine then? Like that wasn't her whole purpose for being on the show... Or Dax&Kira (to a lesser extent), or Troy, or just about every woman on TOS with those super-mini skirts. yeaow.
It's good you threw the mini-skirt bit on there, because we wouldn't want *shudder* Dr. Pulaski (st:tng replacement for crusher during season 3 iirc) ending up on that list.
I think saying the female characters are there just for wankoff material is obviously wrong, though the people who do star trek casting certainly took the dick-in-hand factor into account on at least a couple occasions.
"The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them." - Albert Einstein, 1932
Sorry to respond to a sig, but that quote is great!
And it applies today as much as it did then...
The question is, are we doing more to change it now than Einstein's generation did 69 years ago?
Or in another 70 years will the same statement still hold true?
I don't see how they could hobble the normal playback mode of a CD ROM - is this actually the case, or do they just hamper direct digital extraction? I just haven't had the slightest urge to buy a Michael Jackson or Charley Pride CD to try this out...
From what I understand (which may be incorrect) CD-ROM drives don't recognize these new cd's at all.
newsflash: Anything I can listen to, I can record. You can too!
Checkout This Incredible Idea: Run a cable from your portable cd player to the audio-in on your computer. Play+Record the track. Run resulting file through mp3 encoder. Viola, you now have an mp3 of a 'protected' cd. Sure, it isn't a digital extraction from the cd, but I bet the average mp3-downloader couldn't tell the difference anyway.
All it takes is one person getting a decent recording of the cd for it to get in circulation on p2p servivices like gnutella.
If you can download these copy-protected cd's for free anyway, then the copy protection is worthless!
The last couple seans of st:ds9 certainly had some decent season-long story elements.
I know a lot of people didn't like the soap-opera-ness and interpersonal relationships that ds9 was known for, but ds9 also had some of the best war episodes in trek history (imho). In the final season, with the entire alpha quadrant united against the dominion and cardassians, every episode leaves you waiting for more.
I always found it funny that on the most modern starships an energy weapon (fired outside) can make consoles explode.
I would think that by the 24th century (or 22nd, or whenever; exploding consoles are a trademark accross all star treks) they could master at least fuses if not some more complicated surge-protecting technology!
I guess they need an easy way to injure/kill characters in space battles without having aliens board the ship....
(discalimer: despite this and many other star trek critisisms I may make don't think for a second that I won't be watching every episode too;-)
It isn't like they would consider using someone else's [apache.org] software even if it had a better security history.
I agree. Microsoft passport is only powered by IIS because it's "in the family". Based on it's track record with passport so far, IIS is clearly not the most logical choice for their system.
If a universal internet indentity system is ever going to work it will have to be (as the 'Liberty Alliance' is) a cooperative effort between many companies. I hope that the variety of interests involved make this project put user's needs in front of corporate interests (since there is no ONE corporate agenda, there are many).
PayPal is a good example of a successfull consumer-friendly corporate joint-venture. Frankly, I'm surprised PayPal's name isn't on the list of ProjectLiberty charter members.
You can't (legally) get quality TV content for free. You can get quality radio content for free.
The problem with radio is that a lot of people listen to it in the background (as opposed to actively following a television program) and as such it is less important to them (or maybe this is just my take?).
I know I wouldn't pay for enhanced radio, and I don't know anyone who would, but that doesn't mean it won't succeed.
2.) Well, being on my side I guess I can't know for sure, but I doubt people try and get you to do drugs as often as I hear people saying how they are a problem.
3.) You're right. The nuke argument is no good, because even in your basement the nuke is a weapon designed for one purpose - killing thousands of people in an instant. What it comes down to for me: things that are killing people are bad while things that are making people happy and stopping violence (more on that in a sec...) are good.
4.) First off, activities shouldn't have to directly benefit the country to be legal. However, I do think that increased pot smoking would be of great benefit to the country. Really!
Imagine if all the wife-beating achoholic shitheads who go on drinking binges and do stupid violent things were smoking pot instead. Would domestic violence drop? You betcha. Simply put, people don't often do violent things when they're high. America is already using drugs to cope; why not use a safe drug like pot instead of a dangerous drug like Alchohol? (yes, some people simply prefer alchohol - whatever floats your boat; i'm not gonna tell you what you should be allowed to do)
You ask how legalization would benefit you. Well, you currently live in a country that has thousands of people serving long prison sentences for inhaling smoke from the 'wrong' plant, so you could just look at it from a moral point of view. From a financial standpoint, you are paying not only to support these people but also for the "war on drugs"*** that got them in prison in the first place. And, lastly, because having a bunch of people not get stoned doesn't benefit you and there is no reason they shouldn't (yes, I know, no reason except the law).
(*** note: does it seem to anyone besides me like a "war on drugs" has about as much chance of success as a "war on evil"?)
Yes...and "DJBongHit" has a rather colorful analysis as well, with comparing stoners to homosexuals. Sure...both arguments have some bad points. The difference is that DJBongHit's comparison is between two groups who are unfairly discriminated against (drug users and homosexuals), and kitten's comparison is between rape (a crime with a perp and a victim) and smoking pot (a victimless crime).
Well...listen to this: Most of the people I know really dislike the whole pot thing. They are on average, very successful and college educated people with decent careers and families. Hey...we are pretty happy people too. It's amazing. Some HAVE even tried it...for the most part they didn't think very highly of it. (pun intended) OK, I respect that. I'm not sugesting they all take up habitual pot use. I just think they (+you) should respect the other point of view (the pot-is-good point of view).
Also...we are dealing with a finite number of losers here. You can't both honestly expect to make that argument. You are correct. I do not, in fact, agree with the ratios kitten mentioned. I was simply using a simmilar argument and turning it around. Actual figures of the successfull drug user vs. unsuccessfull drug user (and both the same for non-drug users) probably vary greatly from both of our figures.
Have you considered that almost everyone who is strongly anti-[insert most currently illegal activities] has never tried it? How do these people have the right to restrict others from doing something when they have no experince with it? Maybe you missed when I said "(please don't respond with one of those silly comparisons about murder, rape, etc and not needing experience to outlaw those. read my lips: this isn't rape or murder, it's people smoking a plant!.)" because you just used that exact (flawed) point. Give an example of an ilegal activity that can be outlawed fairly without trying it. *but wait!* If there is a victim it is a poor comparison, as there is no victim in the crime of smoking pot.
Pot isn't hurting anyone!
How does pot being ilegal help our country?
I'd recomend you re-read DJBongHit's post as it directly relfects my views.
Kitten's arguments are almost silly. Kitten repeatedly compares drug use to rape, refers to "frying your brainwaves", and maintains that drug users who lead successfull lives are "rare anomalies".
Well, listen to this: Most of the people I know are habitual pot smokers. We all hold steady jobs, support ourselves, and have enough money left over to buy (...). We're all active, productive, generally happy memebers of society. I realize a lot of people in the ghetto are using a lot of ghetto drugs, but to follow on kitten's line of reasoning, for every loser who happens to use drugs I can show you 10 more losers who don't.
Someone on k5 was ranting about how drugs break up families and ruin lives... Pot alone sure doesn't. But the "War on Drugs" and resulting jailtime for pot-smokers has probably ruined far more lives and broken up far more families than all the hard drugs combined ever could. More than half of the people in american prisons are there for drug charges! I'm sure their kids would rather have a pot-smoking father than no father at all.
Have you considered that almost everyone who is strongly anti-pot has never tried it? How do these people have the right to restrict others from doing something when they have no experince with it?
(please don't respond with one of those silly comparisons about murder, rape, etc and not needing experience to outlaw those. read my lips: this isn't rape or murder, it's people smoking a plant!.)
If he cut and past the code into there he had to know that the licenses are completely incompatbile if he did include the copyright.
bah! you are wrong!
the liscenses are enitrely compatible!
all he needed to do was include credit where credit was due!
just a few lines of comments saying where the code came from!
the FSF is makes it clear that the GPL can be compatible with the revised BSD liscense!
seeing as the kernel maintainers no longer have a moral leg to stand on.
I don't see it that way but, sadly, I'm sure many others do.
In reality this was a mistake made by a limited number of people. Unless it turns out that there is more borrowed code, the linux kernel maintainers still have every moral leg to stand on they had before. (whatever that may be...)
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Sometimes, it seems as if the directors belong to "American Atheist," or something.
I don't see the athiest connection here at all.
Is posing nude considered 'Athiest'?
For those interested, you can find the summary of the old TOS episode with an elderly T'Pau here.
I think you are thinking of Futurama... DS9 had Dax and Kira.
I was actually thinking of Leta, the Bajoran 'dabbo girl' on ds9, but it somehow (probably due to futurama influence) got remembered wrong.
It's been a while since i've seen ds9
It doesn't matter if it works in some places. "the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo can only be used on discs complying with the CD-DA specification: IEC 60908 ..."
These discs don't comply.
They aren't genuine 'CDs' in the philips-sony trademark definition sense of the term.
...and ds9 had leela...
Well, it could have been a lot worse.
I don't know how. The theme song is my number one complaint tonight. That singing! It's just wrong... That kind of music is bets kept on copy protected cd's, not on star trek.
Am I the only onwe that thinks it's kinda of sad that this got +5, iformative?
Quite possibly. I can't think why anyone else would find it sad that link to pictures of the hot chick from the new star trek serries got modded informative.
I was informed. How is that sad? Surely pictures of Jolene Blalock aren't sad!
what the hell did you call good ole Seven-Of-Nine then? Like that wasn't her whole purpose for being on the show... Or Dax&Kira (to a lesser extent), or Troy, or just about every woman on TOS with those super-mini skirts. yeaow.
It's good you threw the mini-skirt bit on there, because we wouldn't want *shudder* Dr. Pulaski (st:tng replacement for crusher during season 3 iirc) ending up on that list.
I think saying the female characters are there just for wankoff material is obviously wrong, though the people who do star trek casting certainly took the dick-in-hand factor into account on at least a couple occasions.
The idea is hereby placed in the public domain.
;-)
Thats good.
Because I was worried you got a patent on political activism.
And that would fuck up my whole production.
"The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them." - Albert Einstein, 1932
Sorry to respond to a sig, but that quote is great!
And it applies today as much as it did then...
The question is, are we doing more to change it now than Einstein's generation did 69 years ago?
Or in another 70 years will the same statement still hold true?
I don't see how they could hobble the normal playback mode of a CD ROM - is this actually the case, or do they just hamper direct digital extraction? I just haven't had the slightest urge to buy a Michael Jackson or Charley Pride CD to try this out...
From what I understand (which may be incorrect) CD-ROM drives don't recognize these new cd's at all.
So let's stop making up history, and let Rick Berman make up history.
;-)
Thats really what every star trek debate comes down to in the end, isn't it?
A joint mission between the three does make sense, though from previous trek's I'm certain the Navy would be the biggest influence.
I'm sure it will all be explained in a few hours...
(I can't wait!!)
newsflash: Anything I can listen to, I can record. You can too!
Checkout This Incredible Idea: Run a cable from your portable cd player to the audio-in on your computer. Play+Record the track. Run resulting file through mp3 encoder. Viola, you now have an mp3 of a 'protected' cd. Sure, it isn't a digital extraction from the cd, but I bet the average mp3-downloader couldn't tell the difference anyway.
All it takes is one person getting a decent recording of the cd for it to get in circulation on p2p servivices like gnutella.
If you can download these copy-protected cd's for free anyway, then the copy protection is worthless!
The last couple seans of st:ds9 certainly had some decent season-long story elements.
;-)
I know a lot of people didn't like the soap-opera-ness and interpersonal relationships that ds9 was known for, but ds9 also had some of the best war episodes in trek history (imho). In the final season, with the entire alpha quadrant united against the dominion and cardassians, every episode leaves you waiting for more.
Or at least it did for me...
I always found it funny that on the most modern starships an energy weapon (fired outside) can make consoles explode.
;-)
I would think that by the 24th century (or 22nd, or whenever; exploding consoles are a trademark accross all star treks) they could master at least fuses if not some more complicated surge-protecting technology!
I guess they need an easy way to injure/kill characters in space battles without having aliens board the ship....
(discalimer: despite this and many other star trek critisisms I may make don't think for a second that I won't be watching every episode too
It isn't like they would consider using someone else's [apache.org] software even if it had a better security history.
I agree. Microsoft passport is only powered by IIS because it's "in the family". Based on it's track record with passport so far, IIS is clearly not the most logical choice for their system.
If a universal internet indentity system is ever going to work it will have to be (as the 'Liberty Alliance' is) a cooperative effort between many companies. I hope that the variety of interests involved make this project put user's needs in front of corporate interests (since there is no ONE corporate agenda, there are many).
PayPal is a good example of a successfull consumer-friendly corporate joint-venture. Frankly, I'm surprised PayPal's name isn't on the list of ProjectLiberty charter members.
No StarTrek on your cable?
Its not okay!
It will never be OK!
Fight it with all you've got!
That means more useless argument between nerds.
...and yet by belittleing us in this fourm you've partaken and become one of us.
welcome!
You can't (legally) get quality TV content for free. You can get quality radio content for free.
The problem with radio is that a lot of people listen to it in the background (as opposed to actively following a television program) and as such it is less important to them (or maybe this is just my take?).
I know I wouldn't pay for enhanced radio, and I don't know anyone who would, but that doesn't mean it won't succeed.
2.) Well, being on my side I guess I can't know for sure, but I doubt people try and get you to do drugs as often as I hear people saying how they are a problem.
3.) You're right. The nuke argument is no good, because even in your basement the nuke is a weapon designed for one purpose - killing thousands of people in an instant. What it comes down to for me: things that are killing people are bad while things that are making people happy and stopping violence (more on that in a sec...) are good.
4.) First off, activities shouldn't have to directly benefit the country to be legal. However, I do think that increased pot smoking would be of great benefit to the country. Really!
Imagine if all the wife-beating achoholic shitheads who go on drinking binges and do stupid violent things were smoking pot instead. Would domestic violence drop? You betcha. Simply put, people don't often do violent things when they're high. America is already using drugs to cope; why not use a safe drug like pot instead of a dangerous drug like Alchohol? (yes, some people simply prefer alchohol - whatever floats your boat; i'm not gonna tell you what you should be allowed to do)
You ask how legalization would benefit you. Well, you currently live in a country that has thousands of people serving long prison sentences for inhaling smoke from the 'wrong' plant, so you could just look at it from a moral point of view. From a financial standpoint, you are paying not only to support these people but also for the "war on drugs"*** that got them in prison in the first place. And, lastly, because having a bunch of people not get stoned doesn't benefit you and there is no reason they shouldn't (yes, I know, no reason except the law).
(*** note: does it seem to anyone besides me like a "war on drugs" has about as much chance of success as a "war on evil"?)
Yes...and "DJBongHit" has a rather colorful analysis as well, with comparing stoners to homosexuals. Sure...both arguments have some bad points.
The difference is that DJBongHit's comparison is between two groups who are unfairly discriminated against (drug users and homosexuals), and kitten's comparison is between rape (a crime with a perp and a victim) and smoking pot (a victimless crime).
Well...listen to this: Most of the people I know really dislike the whole pot thing. They are on average, very successful and college educated people with decent careers and families. Hey...we are pretty happy people too. It's amazing. Some HAVE even tried it...for the most part they didn't think very highly of it. (pun intended)
OK, I respect that. I'm not sugesting they all take up habitual pot use. I just think they (+you) should respect the other point of view (the pot-is-good point of view).
Also...we are dealing with a finite number of losers here. You can't both honestly expect to make that argument.
You are correct. I do not, in fact, agree with the ratios kitten mentioned. I was simply using a simmilar argument and turning it around. Actual figures of the successfull drug user vs. unsuccessfull drug user (and both the same for non-drug users) probably vary greatly from both of our figures.
Have you considered that almost everyone who is strongly anti-[insert most currently illegal activities] has never tried it? How do these people have the right to restrict others from doing something when they have no experince with it?
Maybe you missed when I said "(please don't respond with one of those silly comparisons about murder, rape, etc and not needing experience to outlaw those. read my lips: this isn't rape or murder, it's people smoking a plant!.)" because you just used that exact (flawed) point. Give an example of an ilegal activity that can be outlawed fairly without trying it. *but wait!* If there is a victim it is a poor comparison, as there is no victim in the crime of smoking pot.
Pot isn't hurting anyone!
How does pot being ilegal help our country?
I read the comments you linked to.
I'd recomend you re-read DJBongHit's post as it directly relfects my views.
Kitten's arguments are almost silly. Kitten repeatedly compares drug use to rape, refers to "frying your brainwaves", and maintains that drug users who lead successfull lives are "rare anomalies".
Well, listen to this: Most of the people I know are habitual pot smokers. We all hold steady jobs, support ourselves, and have enough money left over to buy (...). We're all active, productive, generally happy memebers of society. I realize a lot of people in the ghetto are using a lot of ghetto drugs, but to follow on kitten's line of reasoning, for every loser who happens to use drugs I can show you 10 more losers who don't.
Someone on k5 was ranting about how drugs break up families and ruin lives... Pot alone sure doesn't. But the "War on Drugs" and resulting jailtime for pot-smokers has probably ruined far more lives and broken up far more families than all the hard drugs combined ever could. More than half of the people in american prisons are there for drug charges! I'm sure their kids would rather have a pot-smoking father than no father at all.
Have you considered that almost everyone who is strongly anti-pot has never tried it? How do these people have the right to restrict others from doing something when they have no experince with it?
(please don't respond with one of those silly comparisons about murder, rape, etc and not needing experience to outlaw those. read my lips: this isn't rape or murder, it's people smoking a plant!.)
If he cut and past the code into there he had to know that the licenses are completely incompatbile if he did include the copyright.
bah! you are wrong!
the liscenses are enitrely compatible!
all he needed to do was include credit where credit was due!
just a few lines of comments saying where the code came from!
the FSF is makes it clear that the GPL can be compatible with the revised BSD liscense!
seeing as the kernel maintainers no longer have a moral leg to stand on.
I don't see it that way but, sadly, I'm sure many others do.
In reality this was a mistake made by a limited number of people. Unless it turns out that there is more borrowed code, the linux kernel maintainers still have every moral leg to stand on they had before. (whatever that may be...)