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Star Trek: Enterprise Premieres Tonight
Ankou writes: "'Enterprise' premieres tonight on UPN. Scott Backula, you may remember him in as the lead role of 'Quantum Leap', plays Jon Archer the captain of the NX-01 which is the Enterprise predating the NCC-1701 and Captain Kirk by almost 150 years. It even takes place before the whole United Federation of Planets came about! This series will prove to be a more rougher, blue-collared version of star travel than the picture portrayed by Kirk and Picard, i.e. crew wear baseball caps and their captain is a regular 'Joe' kind of guy (possibly why they chose Scott Backula as the lead role). Only time will tell if this series will last, be the judge for yourself and see it tonight, Sep 26, on UPN at 8/7 central." I discovered last weekend that I stopped getting UPN. Who knows when, since I've never needed it before. So I will be missing it, and crying in chair, while mumbling curses directed at my cable provider.
This should prove to be a good series, tailored towards fans of Babylon 5 and the like. First post!
That means more useless argument between nerds.
yay!
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i have americast and i will also be crying.. its okay man.. i feel your pain
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Are the ceiling lights really bright or something? Why would they wear baseball hats?
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at least not here in St. Louis...Our local "we run anything we want, but claim to be WB" network has Enterprise debuting Saturday...they also have rights to run other "UPN" shows, like WWF Smackdown...
How Jaded Are You?
Anyone notice that the commercials for this thing are less and less Star Trek and more and more Lexx meets Farscape.
...is spell his name correctly......
(stupid lameness filter!)
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There is a pretty favorable review in USAToday that mentions among other things that this crew is a little weary of new items such as "Phase Pistols" and "Transporters"....It gets 3 stars out of 4.
Can someone tell me why this did not get picked up by a more respectful network?
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Wow, we got something first!
Seriously, though... I watched the 2 hour premier last night, and I will say this - It was pretty darn good. They have done an excellent job of "dumbing down" the technology, and the cast is pretty interesting. Combine that with the promis of some good-ol space violence, and you've got a winner.
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Inventive and interesting tv shows?
Is anyone else tired of the same old rehashed crap?
I argue the story of Star Trek: The Original Series is not about Kirk, it's about Spock. And from my perspective, Spock is a superhero. He can read minds. He's stronger than the average human. He has extreme intelligence and knowledge. Spock's abilities quite frequently solve the episode's problem.
Similarly Star Trek: The Next Generation has Data, even stronger than Spock. Deep Space Nine has the shapeshifter Odo. Odo is not quite as impressive as Data, so notice that Paramount has to make emergency repairs midway in the show bringing back the character of Worf, now the unbeatable fighting knight-equivalent. And Bashir has to be souped up to have extreme intelligence.
With Star Trek I The Motion Picture, Wesley in The Next Generation, and Sisko in Deep Space Nine, Paramount establishes quite a string of humans becoming gods/prophets.
And then there's Voyager. The Data character is degraded into the balding holographic Doctor. Kes is the female Wesley who eventually becomes a godlike being, only she's too wimpy to do anything before she leaves. The series is teetering on collapse when Paramount finally makes the sensible decision to return to the roots and bring in a new superhero, 7 of 9. Once again we have a figure who is stronger than the average human, knows more, and is struggling to deal with emotions.
I am frustrated by what seems to be an endless repeating cycle where Paramount continues to deny the essence of the show as being about superheroes, lets the series tank a couple of years, and then finally rescues the show by increasing the powers of the characters. I think that the claim of many fans that it takes a few years for the writers to get acclimated is a myth. The writers aren't given the raw materials to work with to produce entertaining superhero stories for the first few years, then they are authorized to use good materials, then the episodes improve. They could write a thousand stories about Harry Kim or Tom Paris or whatever vanilla characters they want and never find a groove. It's strictly a decision from above when the series is to improve, and that decision is simply whether to soup up the characters as superheroes.
As UPN was saved by adding the World Wrestling Federation's Smackdown to their lineup, maybe they can learn what makes this show successful. It's called by the wrestling fans BOOKING. Yes, it is the responsibility of the owner/promoter to make decisions to hype one wrestler over another, to promote certain wrestlers above all others for long stretches of time. The World Wrestling Federation the past two decades has been carried first by the character of Hulk Hogan, then Stone Cold Steve Austin, and now The Rock. Perhaps with careful booking in the future it will be Kurt Angle or HHH.
There is already another niche where people who are sort of ordinary interact in a tension-filled extraordinary situation. It's called reality television. It's Survivor, Big Brother, etc. Star Trek can't match that, Star Trek doesn't pretend to be giving ordinary people off the street a shot at fame and fortune. Star Trek has to create its fantasies in a different way. It has to be booked in a different fashion, to emphasize certain characters as superheroes.
Don't get me wrong: I'll still be glued to the b00b-tube tonight; I always give things a shot. I'm just worried that it won't live up to expectations.
more rougher
someone needs to go back to school..
Yeah, too bad UPN and WB don't "qualify" to be run on DirecTV. I'm even paying extra for the "local" channels (local to the Wash DC area) and I don't get either one! I guess it's time to rig up my own antenna for tonight!
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there is a 1 in 10 chance this show won't survive because the hordes of Trekkies have nothing new to watch. It won't even matter if it's good.
And neither should you. When I walk around my neighborhood at night, I can see the tell tale signs inside almost every bedroom and living room: that bluish glow of a TV. People are getting so damn lazy. Get off your ass. Go outside. Go for a hike. Go camping. Get in a canoe and paddle. Do something, anything. Not to mention that cable TV service can cost upwards of $30-$40/month for basic service in many cities. That's $360-$480/year for a service which really does nothing to contribute to your life. Read a book instead. Do something constructive. I've seen TV within the past year and it's a complete joke. That show "Friends" (and the tens of others like it) is so incredibly predictable and stupid, it's beyond me why anyone watches it.
Go out. Meet people. Get laid. Do something. But please turn off your damn TV.
However, on the whole, Star Trek was simply a rehash of half a dozen other genres, set aboard a Starship (e.g Wagon Train, Lost on Space, Doctor Who etc..). None of these series lasted anywhere near as long. What was Star Trek's secret?
And waiting. I wonder how they are going to do the previous-show crossovers this time. Maybe Seven of Nine fell into a time warp once and spent a few seasons with Bakula. That'd be cool. Or maybe Warf took a wrong turn in the DS9 wormhole and ended up being the only Klingon with a universal translator in Enterprise time.
Hmmm.
I can't spell or type, but that doesn't mean I'm unusually stupid.
well I will bet I can download it on eDonkey tomorrow.
Up here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada we saw Enterprise last night. The premiere was great, but I won't say much more so that I don't spoil everyone's enjoyment...However, the opening credits are horrible, nothing like all the other ST series. I hope they change it...
I only watch Voyager for an obvious reason, in fact for two very big obvious reasons...
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Get a satalite dish, Taco! You'll get 4 or 5 UPNs from around the country, including WSBK in Boston among others.
Then why didn't they get Tom Arnold?
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It was on local TV (Canadian) last night.
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Not bad.. definitely "grittier" than the other series. Bakula did a good job of portraying Archer.
I'd watch it again
Is this in anyway related to Star Trek?
Oh yeah, and please remember the Internet is global. Those of us outside the US don't get to see your new 'Strek Trek' program anyway..
Blaming GW Bush for the Iraq war is like blaming Ronald McDonald for the poor quality of food.
Judging by the massive, bleeding failures that were voyager and sorta DS9, I'm not going to waste my time watching it.
And I dunno about Taco, but UPN is on peasant vision here in portland, oregon - twice (ch 4,32)
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Anybody know of any "trekkie" parties?
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pretty close...
In the best scene of the pilot she and another officer need to rub themselves with decontamination jelly after an away mission.
She has a tank top and short shorts and the air in the chamber is really cool (if you know what I mean). Lucky my wife was in the other room...
The story was great, and the retro look and feel was well done. I think this might be the best Trek yet.
We don't get UPN either, nor do my friends that have various mini-dish systems
In fact, i don't know anyone in the northern part of this state(West Virginia) that can watch it.
AC.
I'm not normally a word nazi, but weary and wary mean two entirely different things. The sentence doesn't make sense because if the technology is brand new, how could they be weary of it so quickly.
Postering grammatifical erronifications upon the slashdot websight am an frequently occurancification.
But if it *does* suck, friday's Farscape will be able to wash away the bad taste, like after that Voyager finale. I have only a couple hours of my life to lose finding out...
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now that was a scifi show. star trek is just a bunck of pansy assed wimps trying to feel their way through life. space was cool. get some marines involed in the new show kill an ask questions later. why not make a sci fi show that shows humanity the way it really is. were all killers at heart why not just acknowlege it
As long as they avoid time travel as a plot device the show has a chance. Except for the original "Guardian of Forever" time travel has been used as a crutch when the writers get bored.
You almost had me, until I read this:
.... doesn't .... really .... knowhowto ... act! My ... God .. Bones .... .... how ... can .. you .. possiblythink .. that .. this .... .... requires ... anyskillatall?
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When do you think it will reach the UK (IF EVER!)?
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1.) Turn off your cable
2.) Tune into your local UPN network channel
3.) Slap yourself in the face and say "DUH!"
Why do you have to watch it on cable? Watch it localy, ditz!
I tried to watch it las night but there was a rather disturbing movie on...
I live in Austin and I do have UPN, but some shows are blocked out (such as ST:Voyager). I wonder if Enterprise will be blocked out as well.
Of course only the ubergeeks among us would not only be Star Trek afficianados, but make the geeky sidekicks the focus of the show - superheroes, no less. Add to that the 'Lone Gunmen' conspiracy theory that Paramount is denying the essence of the show....
hey guys, you shouldn't be complaining, now all us St. Louis area nerds will have something to do on saturday night!
The Communistic view of the future economy combined with a pseudo military dictatorship
We all know that is the recipe for future success.
Either that or they took a whole bunch of good ideas and combined them into something interesting.
Can someone please explain this to me. Yesterday on a local station in Edmonton,AB howed the season premiere of Enterprise a day before it aired anywhere else in the US not too sure about anywhere else in Canada. Are stations allowed to do this or did someone really screw up
why doesn't star trek have it's own topic icon? i'm looking at them, and i see a penguin, a chalkboard, an apple, etc.. i mean, star wars has it's own topic icon on slashdot. what gives?
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Where in Canada did it air? I'm just wondering 'cause it isn't on in Toronto until tonight... (CityTV @ 8pm for you fellow Torontonians)
I think this captain will be gay. Think about it! First they had the young caucasian captain, then the old caucasian captain, then the black captain, then the female captain. In the politically-correct chain, I think gay is next...
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Only time will tell if this series will last,
It's on UPN, of course it'll last. I mean, even Moesha lasted.
Moderators!? That's not flamebait. It's good clean fun. Read the whole post, guys. It's only 2 lines long...
When in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand.
How is the soundtrack? Does it suck? I can't visualize a Trek series with some pop bullshite soundtrack like I've heard is supposed to fill this sucker.
Scott Bakula...a real command figure if there ever was one. Yessiree, I can't wait for the ol' half-baked Quantum Leap dude to show us just what a cutting, decisive figure he makes sitting in the captains chair.
Somehow, I get the feeling that this series is going to be even worse than Voyager was. And that, geek-heads, is a hard thing to do.
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I'm not going to watch it because the new Junkyard Wars airs tonight, and it's the first one of the new series. Besides, TNT's rebroadcasting Law and Order also, and there's always The West Wing...
And I'm not missing Junkyard Wars for anything...
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Starbase 21 & UPN are sponsering a premier of the new Trek series Enterprise at the Cenimark theater wednesday in Tulsa Ok... on a big screen and with no admision costs. starbase21
The man's name is Scott Bakula. Really.
Dont Cry, just download the episode from a newsgroup. You know some geek is gonna post this.
I don't get UPN either but after a quick search on tvguide.com I found that Enterprise will be shown Sunday night on NBC where I live. So those that are UPNless may still get to see the show.
I just want to throw in a plug for my favorite UPN show, The Parkers (Monday night at 9, can't give a URL since UPN.com uses JavaScript for no reason). I'm perhaps the only white person who watches it as it's gotten segregated into a night of all black shows, with DL Hughley and the always-hot Moesha. Look for a knock-off show with a white cast to appear on NBC in a couple of years to rave reviews, like Friends did to Living Single.
Edonkey2000 or some similar file swapping program will have it available eventually, if it's not out there already.
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That's just nifty.
He either comes off as a real interesting guy with encyclopedic knowledge,or a pathological liar with an ax to grind
ST is about *psychology*. Kirk, Spock and Bones are the ego, superego and id (not necessarily in that order because I'm too lazy to look up my Freud). Think about it: Spock, no emotion, ultimately logical and rational. Bones, almost pure emotion, knows nothing about technology but is empathic and caring. Kirk is impulsive and sexual but also strong and willful. Remember the famous "split Kirk" episode? When they talked about it they made it sound like anybody's dark side would be strong, but is that really true? How about Spock's or Bones' dark side? Do they even have one? No, the real point of that episode is that *Kirk* has a thin veneer of civilization cover a beast within.
ST:TNG had a different angle. It was about utopia. It was a much more political show--always coming across warring civilizations and doing diplomatic missions and so forth. I suppose characters in a utopia have something in common with superheroes--they both seem godlike. One thing they don't have, though, is exciting adventures. Which is also true of ST:TNG, which is why I rarely watched it.
DS9 I think we can dispose of as being pure claptrap.
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I've heard complaints (through the grapevine) that the Low-Tech feel of the show isn't Low-Tech enough. For example, the design of the ship seems more futuristic than Kirk's Enterprise.
I think it would be nifty if they shot it on the same grainy film as the old Star Trek. Wouldn't that be nostalgic?
Unfortunately, I won't be seeing it first-hand... I ditched TV in '97. It's times like these that I feel a twinge of regret for that decision :->
I wonder if we non-TV types will be able to d/l mpegs from a P2P service reliably? I'm guessing that's a big probably!
What you experienced was UPN feeding it down to the local affiliates via satellite, but with the solar flair with an X rating on Monday, it reflected off the northern lights causing it to shift to a frequency that was able to be received by your TV while decoding the digital signal as well. Either that or a reverse Tachion pulse caused the signal to travel back in time by 24 earth hours.
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The opening credits weigh in at 26MB, but it's worth it! Almost brought a tear to my eye... http://www.enterpriseuk.tv/e-media/series/index.as p
Download it here
who liked DS9? It had more character developement than TNG or Voyager.
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And then to watch him duck when the throw they gun at him. Why was that?
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on startrek.com It looks like this episode will be the first contact of the humans and the Klingon Empire. There is great tension in the video clip between Archer and the human commanders and the Vulcans who believe the humans aren't ready for interstellar diplomacy yet. They will obviously be proven right and the war with the Klingons will ensue as a result of Archer's actions.
I'm looking forward to watching the episode which relates what Jean-Luc Picard later referred to as "A poorly handled first contact [which] led to decades of war with the Klingon Empire."(said in a episode where Riker and a couple of other under-cover agents investigating a planet that is a candidate for contact were discovered, don't remember the episode name, but it was a decent one)
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Then we get to watch Rock layin the Smack down on Scott Backula. I would perfer seeing Rob Van Dam give a 5 * frog splash to a Klingon.
I'm really willing to give this series a chance. I don't think Voyager was "horrible" like a lot of people do, though it certainly wasn't as great as Next Gen or even DS9. Does anybody beleive that if this show gets canceled, there will be a massive fan mail campain like there was when the orginal series was on the chopping board? I don't think there will be.
The inheiriters to Gene's vision get two more chances to save Star Trek from destruction. The first is the "Enterprise" series, and the second is the new upcoming movie. Fortunatly for them, the next movie is an even-numbered one (odd-numbered trek movies have been cursed since the first one, while even numbered ones are great).
One bad omen: Some of the promotional ads for "Enterprise" are using some pop crap for background music. Star Trek has a perfectly good composer, Jerry Goldsmith, who is as good as Star War's John Williams. They really ought to USE HIM! When "Enterprise" comes on, and I hear the opening credits being sung by N'Sync, I will shut off the TV, rip the tape out of the VCR, and burn it (the tape, not the VCR . . . on second thought, the VCR goes, too).
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Hit Dish Network's web site, find your local dealer, haul ass over there, buy whatever receiver model amuses you (I'd pick between the HDTV and PVR versions), and get it hooked up and activated before 8pm. It's doable. (Sears sells them under the JVC name too, but an independent dealer is probably better.) Dish Network carries TWO UPN stations in their Superstations package (and THREE WBs!), so even if one of them is playing some lame sports game instead of Trek you're covered. I've been a Dish subscriber for almost 5 years. Highly recommended. You can probably get the Detroit network stations too, or better yet, the NY/LA East/West combo if you're not in a local broadcast area. You will need line-of-sight to the southwest (in Michigan), 30 degree angle IIRC.
When I sit down to watch TV I'd rather see some way-out aliens, exploding spaceships and time travel than a bloke making a sandwich. But perhaps I'm just a loser.
MAY remember him???
Besides the spelling error, I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone who reads /. doesn't know who Scott Bakula played. *grin*
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My I suggest watching the Evolution series on PBS. For a bit of real science. They are showing parts 4 and 5 of the 7 part series tonight. You can always tape Enterprise.
Yeah. Like this *isn't* going to be all over Morpheus by about 11:30 this evening.
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DirecTV doesn't carry UPN at all! Luckily the cable feed coming into my house still works or I'd have to find another way to watch it.
Come on DirecTV get it in gear and negotiate to carry UPN!! I like 7 days as well so I'd like to see it for other reasons too.
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Okay, I'm not the most objective individual on this subject, and I really didn't like the direction Trek went after Gene died, and the odds are, if you didn't like Voyager or DS9, you won't like Enterprise, because it's the same creative team.
However, before we premiered Next Generation, we were dismissed pretty much out of hand before anyone had seen a single episode...and we ended up running for 10 years, not sucking most of the time, IMHO.
So I'll be watching, excited as hell that there's new Trek on TV, and hoping against hope that it doesn't suck.
Yeah, and what is this "Star Worlds" thing I keep hearing about? Something about these bad guys in football helmets, and little beeping trashcans?
Could Picard have been alluding to the fact that an Earth farmer shot the first Klingon that came to Earth? I'd say first contact doesn't get any more poorly handled than that :)
(I saw the premier last night on A Channel in Canada, sorry if I spoiled anything)
How is this offtopic? It's funny, you twit.
I'm not too familiar with the Star Trek universe but I enjoy watching the various shows now and then. One thing I have learned is that Vulcans have a pretty long lifespan. IE, Mr. Tuvok from Voyager also served under Sulu from a couple human generations ago.
My question is this: since Vulcans live so long, is there any chance that Mr. Spock could make a cameo appearance on Enterprise? I have no idea how old Mr. Spock is, so I could be way off base.
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Right here, but I think those two download sites are overloaded! I believe the video file is in MPEG format. I still can't download from either site. :(
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The Star Trek universe is the reflection of our
universe, with science fiction props to
illuminate understanding of ourselves. The 35 years
of shows- more like 45 if you include the initial
scripts and lifetime of the fifth series- span at
least three cultural generations of Americans:
The pre-boomers, the baby boomer yuppies, and now
the GenX. The show has always focused on 30-something
adults of the era it was filmed.
The orignal trek series was like "Combat in Space"
or the generation of the baby boomers. They even
made fun of boomer culture like hippies and
peacniks in some of the episodes. The pre-boomers
were conventional, pro-establishment types.
The second and third series, New Generation and
Deep Space Nine, were "Yuppies in Space" or pure
baby boomer. The main characters were educated,
priviledged and aloof. The fourth series, Voyager, was
transitional with late-boomer officers and a GenX junior crew.
The independence of the latter was a source of conflict in the show.
Andromeda is the first all-GenX sci-fi show.
GenX'ers are more creative and independent and
fully tech savy. I presume the fifth Trek series
will be another GenX series.
Yes, sitting on your ass is more productive. It improves your reading speed and, if you choose reasonable books, your vocabulary. I've rarely, if ever, learned new words from watching television. Let's face it, the crap on TV is geared towards the mentality of an elementary school student. The plots are horribly predictable. There is little to no intellectual thought provoked or provided.
My point is that if you're entertained by what's on TV, you're probably not very smart.
You also said I was a cliche asshole. What cliche did I use? I think if anything my viewpoint is anything but cliche, at least judging by how many people ask me if I saw "so-and-so" last night on TV.
Do whatever you want, I don't care. I'll continue to experience the outdoors, read classic literature, and non-fiction and learn things. You can continue watching the moving picture tube and discuss the latest plot twists on your inane pseudo soap opera sitcoms.
After accomplishing his mission to save the Federation, Dr. Sam Beckett leaps out of the body of Capt. Jon Archer...
In case you want to try the "paper clip" antenna idea, the site (which was not /.'d just now) list affiliates in Grand Rapids (WXSP ch 18) and Traverse City (WFOX ch 33,40,45). I think a paper clip and a coathanger might be necessary for UHF, though. Most of hicks here in rural areas us throw the UHF antenna out with the TV's package...:-(
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IIRC, it is going to be 90 years before Kirk.
Since somebody else already started in on it ;=)
A less respectful network would have added hobbits and Harry Potter to the show.
Others have mentioned named aircraft in a rather anonymous way, but there is one whose name is well-remembered.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
"Who knows when, since I've never needed it before. So I will be missing it, and crying in chair, while mumbling curses directed at my cable provider. "
or you could get out that funny metal thing called an antenna.....
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Damn. Why isn't there a "Star-Trek Prequels" filter?
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Does it begin with Scott Bakula "leaping" into the body of a starship captain, only to be confronted by a screaming Klingon and sighing "Oh boy"?
I love it. See Star Trek in all it's forms is really a peice of art. Normal shows aren't because at the end of the show everyone talks and they've basically all see the same movie. The interpretation will be identical. True art gets interpreted differently by each individual viewer based on something inside the viewer that the piece of art speaks to. I've heard the interpretation of Star Trek described as "Self, EGO, ID (Freud)", "the three stooges", "racism", "team work (the three muskateers)", "hero worship", "morality play", "wwf".... I think it's hilarious how many different ways people can interpret and read things into the Star Trek franchise. Of course there are the people who can't just leave things at entertainment value and who must always search for "the deeper meaning". And of course sometimes there is a purposeful "deeper meaning".
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I Have Already seen it because in canada it has already premierd it is very good though it seems funny that their tech is more advanced than Kirks
It pleases me that Trekkie will once again have a boner. Perhaps he will propagate.
Nor did the PT boats. One needs to look at the mission here. PT boats and aircraft are both designed for short or short-ish missions, and therefore come home for the type of care that you need an engineering space for.
Carriers, battleships, destroyers, and the like stay at sea for weeks or months. They have to be capable of greater repairs on-the-spot.
But there was at least one aircraft that had 'engineering space', the B36. It had walkways through the wings, and sufficient space around each of its 6 prop engines. You could take one engine offline, feather its prop, and do some fairly extensive work on it while airborne.
It depends on the mission.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
This "story arc" you refer to is nothing more than a substitute for good writing. It's a cheap way to keep viewers, and in my opinion many series suffer as a result. These are the kinds of programs that will be forgotten in ten years. Only the ones with star trek in the title will be remembered because they have an endless supply of dimwitted fans who will watch them no matter how poorly written they are. There are seldom any individual episodes with decent storytelling because they are only giving you enough of some drawn out story line to sucker you into watching the next episode.
Sorry, but I don't have enough time in my life to worry about digesting an entire season of some lame ass series just so I don't miss some "key" portion of an unnecessarily drawn out continuing story. This whole trend is almost as bad as sitcoms with their "serious" episodes, i.e.:'This week in a very special Home Improvement Tim deals with infidelity with a Tooltime groupie because his wife became a fat cow from having a bunch of kids", for chrissakes lighten up... it's only a sitcom.
Not too long ago, a fellow Trekker and I discussed the prospect of a series based 150 years BTOS (before The Original Series), and we we both dicouraged when we saw our first view of the NX-01 -- clearly much more advanced-looking than even the post-refit NCC-1701 of Star Trek -- The Motion Picture.
I vaguely recall seeing now and again in a series espisode or movie some passing references to earlier, pre-Constitution-class Enterprises, all the way back to the USN aircraft carrier and beyond. Some of those designs, while not terribly inspiring visually, still conveyed a sense of foraying into the unfamiliar.
Coming from an earlier, less technologically sophisticated era, the ship should have looked less rather than more streamlined and fluid, even a bit clunky, conveying visually the idea of less advanced starship design in the earlier era. The production-design people have gotten this basic concept completely backwards. To make an analogy in terms of US naval warships, it's as if somebody wanted to make a movie about the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor, but lacking any pre-World-War-II battleships because they'd all been sunk at Pearl Harbor or scrapped at the end of the war, the movie's producers used an ultramodern Aegis guided-missile cruiser as a stand-in and hoped nobody would notice or care.
By violating the canon, the series' producers have made a conscious fundamental goof with the biggest visual element of the series, presumably just to have some cooler eye candy. Maybe they'll suck in a younger generation of viewers this way, but to my mind, they've forgotten to "dance with them that brung'em," as we used to put it in Texas. And that kind of egregiously flawed decision making on such a basic, early choice gives me little reason to expect the other aspects of the series to be any better than a rehash of other Star Trekism.
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WIRED: Star Trek: Bakula to the Future
Scripps/Howard: Operation: Enterprise
The San Francisco Examiner: Living in the now
New York Daily News: Bakula's Bold New 'Enterprise'
Also, MAXIM's cover girl this month is Jolene Blalock, who plays Vulcan Sub Commander T'Pol. Presumably this is the same T'Pol that in ST:TOS Amok Time oversees Spock's Pon Farr ceremony. Many of the Trek fan site are speculating on just how long it will be before her character experiences the Pon Farr with no Vulcan males around and only Capt. Archer present to address her needs.
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Sorry to burst your bubble...
Call me rude, but people still watch TV?
Berman is so inept, he never seems to have understood Roddenberry or if he did he tries to avoid it (probably thinking it doesn't garner rating). But I think Bakula has great promise, he seems to understand the human condition much better, and if he actually has something to say about this production... it might, just might be possible to catch the lightning in the bottle again.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
The U.S.N. has more aircraft than the U.S.A.F. Way more if you include the Marines who function under the Navy. Also Roddenberry's original concept of Star Trek was to be a sort of Horatio Hornblower in space, you can't get much more Navy than that.
Would I love to see a B5-style story done in the Star Trek universe? Hell yeah. I'd love to see a B5-style story run in any universe -- it was a great example of a style of storytelling which we're drastically lacking.
Funny thing is, now that the 4 season arc* is over, I'd now like to see a star trek or even outer limits type story in the B5 universe. The grand theme was great, now lets see an anthology type show delving into the little moments in the less explored areas, organizations and charecters.
*don't even try to tell me there were five seasons, I can't HEAR YOU LALALALA!
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...will work for Chick tracts...
They have the woosiest theme song ever. It sounds like Richard Marx or something.
Star Trek is for pussies. It's sad, but it's true.
Guess what Taco, If you CALL your cable provider instead of sitting there mumbling, you can get your UPN back.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
You should hear Nimoy's rendition of "Proud Mary" (Yes, the CCR classic)
It's not as popular in masochist circles as Shatner's "Lucy..", but it's just as horrible.
Hey Asswipe,
You can do both, you know. You can enjoy TV and literature. I happen to enjoy TV, literature, magazines (serious and tabloids), etc, AND, I'm actually smart (member of Mensa).
You tree-hugging fanatical anti-TV freaks are as wacked-out as the morons you claim us to be.
Why didn't they get Tom Green. They should take him. Really, take him away right now.
Agreed - I can see the pitch now:
"Mr Green, we're sending a bunch of people out to explore the universe, and we'd like you to go with them."
"Who's going? Oh, well, let's see, the first launch will contain mostly telephone sanitizers, accountants, and managerial consultants."
"Ahh, yes, I can see how you'd think that you don't fit in with that group, umm.. we're sending you to entertain them! Yes, that's it! They'll need entertainment on their trip, and you've been selected to go."
Let that title song of be a one-off one?! I mean, who wants to listen to a crappy Bon Jovi style theme song everytime an episode starts?!! :)
-adnans
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Hey, heroes can be made by wit, daring and bravery, not just by gamma rays and the planet Krypton. One word: Batman.
Semi-low-tech environment. Cowboy attitude. Sounds familiar.
Oh yeah, this could be a good thing.
-grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I live in calgary, I do not have UPN, and I watched it on Global on Tuesday
I thought it was Battlestar Bakula! Damn it!
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It's very simple, they puts the characters in extraordinary circumstances against unrealistic odds and 9 times out of 10 every important character needs to be alive at the end of the day. Without superior abilities everyone of those ships would have been destroyed before the end of their first season.
Human beings simply aren't suited to the Star Trek universe unless they can pull out the Hand of God(TM) in the form of alien powers or uber tech to save their asses every once in a while.
Also the series provide a framework for telling lots of different stories. Some about people in a serious and realistic way. Others are just excuses for huge space battles. Once in a while they even have insightful satire of modern concerns. I think it's hard to say that the series as a whole are actually about anything. To me they seem more like a vehicle for invention that gets used in many different ways.
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Here is an earlier copy of this same post by another user.
I am amazaed that the /. community is so quick to mod up repeat posts like this while at the same time jumping all over the editors if a story goes up twice. At least the editors aren't repeating stuff on purpose.
Maybe we should all be on the lookout for the next Star Trek story to go up. We can race to see who can copy and paste this superhero post the fastest and earn precious karma. It could be a "superhero first post" contest.
Of course, maybe the post is GPL'ed, in which case this reuse is all ok. :)
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Also saw it premiere last night in Calgary, Alberta. Would like to see it again but do not get UPN.
As always, it's hard to tell from the premiere how the show will turn out. When I think back to the original Star Trek and to Next Generation, the early shows turn out, in reptrosect, to look terribly unpolished compared to later episodes.
I was not much into Next Generation until well into the second year but episodes in later years turned out to be some of the finest television ever, as was true of the original series.
The key to the success of Enterprise will be the acting (especially the development of the characters) and what social commentary the producers can weave into the episodes - why I like the original series so much even to this day. That is why(the original) Star Trek and Next Generation were so "successful" and that other shows much less so.
As for the comments re the "latest" Enterprise looking too streamlined and developed, chalk that up to advances in production. It's hard to go backwards once each new standard is set.
Overall rating: has potential and only time (and good writing) will tell. Good start though and Bakula is an enlightened choice.
A hint: check out the pictures hanging on the wall behind Bakula in one or two scenes.
Final comment about our newest Vulcan: what a rack!
- Space = a 3D Ocean
- Planet = land masses
- Stations = Outposts
- Capital "launching" ships=Aircraft Carriers
- Large Spacecraft="ships of the line"
- the runabouts, fighters, etc. correspond to PT-Boats and launched fighter aircraft, and finally
- Photon torpedoes = Explosive ordinance (torpedoes or large shells, phasers = bullet type weapons
Put all the ships together and you have a fleet, (for example the USA's Atlantic Fleet, based mainly out of NYNY and Norfolk, VA, or the USA's Pacific Fleet, based out of Pearl Harbor, San Diego & Seattle). This is different from the USAF where the divisions are more by the mission of a particular type of aircraft, i.e SAC = Strategic Air Command, MAC = Military Airlift Command & TAC = Tactical Air Command, etc.the medium in which things travel, battles take place, etc.
Things that you go to for whatever reason,{trade, conquest, negotiating, R&R, etc.}
Smaller, strategically placed defensive or trade locations (DS-9, Babylon 5, etc.)
Not so much on the Star Trek Series, but Galactica, Star Wars, some on B5)
For example NCC-1701A = Constellation Class Cruiser, NCC-1701D= Galaxy Class Cruiser although they probably more closely fit the current definition & capabilities of a battleship, Voyager might be the rough equivalent of a small cruiser or large frigate, DS-9's Defiant is probably most like a Destroyer, but if equipped w/Cloaking technology becomes an attack submarine,
There are probably a dozen more analogues, but you get the idea.
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Heh heh...and we got to see the the sexy vulcan chick and the engineer slather cold, wet, slippery de-contamination gel on each other 1st too...woo hoo! (judjing from T'Pol's umm..."thermometers"...it must've been cold...heh heh)...but I digress...
Interestingly enough, it seems to be a tradition to show Star Trek shows a day in advance in Canada...
When the original series was first played, the CBC received and broadcast their print of each episode one day prior to it's debut in the US. Subsequent series were syndicated and shown on various other independent networks and stations, sometimes a day in advance. I remember DS9 and Voyager in particular being shown here the day before it was on a US station.
"worst... episode... ever"
When STNG first came out, I thought it would be cool to have a series showing what it would be like to be a rookie at the lowest rank on the Enterprise. Stuff like replicators that didn't always work right: "I wanted a Gornburger, not this Klingon worm crap.". Or low resolution holodecks. Or "Do I smell burning ham - or did Kirk singe himself again? Hey, what's with this red uniform?"
Too bad the Japanese officer looks Korean. D'oh, the actress is!
Geez. You think these days, Hollywood would get these things right. Esp because there's a long history of hatred between the Koreans and Japanese.
Transmitters had been atop the WTC. They're rerouting (painfully slowly) to Empire State Building. Stations still programming, and cable customers see them fine.
Over-the-air TV is down to CBS2, some UHF Spanish channels and some UHF New Jersey PBS stations
Star Trek has remained popular because of its use of archetypes, tapping the mythic imagination with its heroes and quests. ST:TOS had the most clear-cut archetypes. Rather than being about superheroes, as suggested elsewhere on these boards, ST has succeeded when there are strong archetypes. Some non-fans have complained that characters in ST are too one-sided, but this is actually a strength in the series. ST has failed to be interesting when it muddles the people into ordinary run of the mill personalities. It succeeds when it has strong archetypes: The Warrior, The Hero, The Wise Man/Wise Woman, The Trickster, The Shadow, The Wanderer, The Shapeshifter.
ST:TOS survives still because of its powerful core -- Kirk, Spock, McCoy. Kirk is the hero/warrior, and it would be hard to confuse him for anything else. He is aided, as in traditional mythology by The Wise Man -- in this case Spock -- and by McCoy, who in this case has the role of Wise Woman, embodying the feminine aspects of wisdom -- healing, emotion, compassion to Spocks detached intellect. ST:TOS is a fine balancing of these three different forces. The other series have floundered until they have strenghted the archetypes in the cast.
I still love the original show. It's still far more intellegent and well written than many of the new shows. Best of all, it never had to explain itself as an advanced brotherhood of evolved humans, it just went along as if that were a given. I love it when people tell me "Spock's Brain" was the worst Star Trek ever. Some people just don't get it.
After a disappointing run with Voyager (a show that somewhat rises above such crap as Babylon5) I hope that the writers for Enterprise remember the one rule that always made Star Trek special.
It's about the humans!
It's as if
somebody wanted to make a movie about the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor, but lacking any pre-World-War-II
battleships
Amusingly, the real Aegis missile cruiser design was originally criticized on the grounds that it didn't have enough weapons showing. Aegis ships use a vertical launch system, nothing of which is visible except a small hatch on the deck. No bristling missile launchers like USSR ships of that era. Members of Congress actually berated the Navy about this.
The same thing happened with submarines in the 1950s. There was considerable resistance to building submarines that looked like bland cylinders. Nautilus, the first nuclear sub, still had a destroyerlike deck. All later US Navy subs, though, were dull, boring, but effective tubes.
In battleships, the most attractive design ever was the streamlined Yamato of WWII. The designers claimed that the streamlining was to keep the shock waves from the 18-inch guns from damaging the ship. The Yamato, like most WWII battleships, didn't accomplish much militarily, and was sunk by aircraft in 1945.
Once a technology is far enough along that
a broad range of workable designs are possible,
there's no obvious correlation between a finished-looking design and when the artifact was built.
Look at rockets. The V-2 was the most nicely shaped rocket ever built. Since then, rockets are almost always simple tubes. But look at the Space Shuttle at launch, the wierdest collection of big shapes ever to fly.
Once to the black oil alien (no, not Xfiles). :p
Once in the dimensional shift episode, where the enterprise C from 20 years ago came to the present Enterprise D and Tasha went over to help before the C went back in time.
And then again as her own Romulan daughter. Something tells me there was a fourth time she died too, but that may just have been a SUperman episode
Star Trek is about anonymous ensigns in red shirts who accompany Kirk on the away team and die horrible, screaming, bloody deaths.
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and that the advertisers really want our attention? How else can it be that Star Trek Enterprise is in the same time slot as Junkyard Wars?!?!? (Not to mention Good Eats for those of us that like a little science with our food). Add my fondness for the Amazing Race (okay, a weakness, I admit it!) and it looks like I need to buy a second VCR...
Life is short: void the warranty.
It should be on Sky One early in the new year.
"more rougher"
I hope it's more better, too.
*ahem* The word is spelled "canon", not cannon. Unless perhaps you loaded all the vcr tapes into a large barreled gun and shoot them somewhere using black powder....
We lost UPN this weekend.
When I told the sysadmin, he went out got a dishnetwork system at sears and has east and west coast feeds for UPN (he says it's part of the superstation package). Took him and his son 20 minutes to setup, and for $200 he got the sat stuff. For the first year he gets a 21.99 credit off his service which means he's paying $15/month.
Told the cable co I was leaving if they did not solve it by today. I'm going to sears tonight.
Canceling cable, but keeping the cablemodem service. I'll kill that and put the cable modem up for sale if they ever put a filter to block out the basic channels. Otherwise I'm take the $10/mon increase in cablemodem cost as cost of seeing the local channels.
The Original Series Star Trek really had nothing at all to do with superheroes or the like. It was Gene's morality play, a means of examining 20th century problems and issues.
The whole space travel thing was just to make it easier for the settings of each issue to be different each week - a new planet, a new problem to be examined. And each of those problems reflecting a problem relating to the 1960's - racism, war (cold and overt), the place of technology in society, and so on and so forth.
Ever notice how all other worlds in the Trek universe are so one-note?
Even the characters were broken down into metaphors - Spock was cold science and reason, McCoy emotion and compassion, and Kirk was Everyman, walking a line between the two.
Some have even broken this down on Freudian lines, with each of the Big Three representing Ego, Superego, and Id.
It was never intended to be taken at face value, any more than Aesop intended one to believe in talking foxes.
The later series lost track of this (especially Voyager) and degenerated into parodies of themselves - although DS9 managed to have a pretty powerful story arc, once it found its centre.
It'll be interesting to see where this series goes.
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Answer:
Uhura
Deanna Troi
Jadzia Dax
7 of 9
T'Pol
If you don't get UPN and you wish to watch the show, be sure you check your other channels. I don't get UPN, but my provider puts popular UPN shows (such as voyager...and now Enterprise, Buffy, and Roswell) on WB. They often show at different times...for example Enterprise will be shown Thursday at 10:00pm (so the WB can show the Indian in the cupboard tonight) but, they are shown eventually. Check http://www.tvguide.com , for the listings in your area.
Enola Gay
Others have mentioned named aircraft in a rather anonymous way, but there is one whose name is well-remembered.
As is "Glamorous Glennis..." although perhaps not quite as recognized by the average joe.
Ender
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Not up here. Cable didn't drop it, the local station did.
The nearest UPN feed is now in LA, about 200 miles away.
Still the cable co's fault for not getting their shit together and getting another UPN station.
How appropriate.
My moderator points will follow the person who can tell me when and where this series will appear in the UK!
CityTV in Toronto is airing the premiere tonight from 8:00PM - 10:00PM. Space: The Imagination Station is doing their Premiere on the 30th. Guess it pays to have basic cable in Canada. :)
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
Aside from the questionable quality of the writing, the period they're starting to tell stories from in the ST universe reminds me of the Silmarillion/Books of Lost Tales by Tolkien. It's the background material that served to deepen the original, more popular and more "recent" (in its own timeline) material. The problem is, I'm afraid a TV show won't be given the indulgence that a Tolkien with a Lord of the Rings behind him was given, so the "Enterprise" material may lack the deep mystery and cobwebbiness of its analogue. Anyway.
A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg. -- Samuel Butler
For my background, I never enjoyed the original series, and found TNG much improved after Gene passed away and the Berman team took over.
The intro song has, for the first time, WORDS! This was startling and disappointing, until I found myself liking the song. Anyone heard it before?
We are provided with a glipse of post-First Contact politics. This includes a growing resentment of the Vulcans for with-holding technology and a passionate desire to be atonomous as a sepecies. This is especially evident after an accidental first contact with the Klingons. The Vulcans themselves appear to be a bit "off", in that they are not as 'emotionless' and they are obvious manipulators of the human leaders.
New technology abounds in the form of phasers, transporters, medical supplies and other things I can't recall.
The new ship is rushed into a mission early into the episode, and this quickly scuttles what up to that point was helpful character and relationship development.
I enjoyed seeing the new set and costumes. The camera views the character much closer in than the previous series, likely b/c the feeling of smaller quarters is desired. I enjoyed seeing a necktie for once in a star trek series (that wasn't from the hologram or time-travelling mission).
The plot was usual star trek, with 1st act that includes intro of Conflict #1, the external conflict; Conflict #2, the internal conflict; and quite often including last night Conflict #3, the Bigger Picture slash sure to be a recurring Conflict; followed by a partial resolution of conflicts which quickly becomes much much worse (the 1 step forward, 2 steps back plot); then acts of heroism, technological wonder, and unexplained scientific/human ingenuity makes everything better, or at least mostly better.
Other noteworthy bits:
The discovery of the ship's "sweet spot", which I hoped would lead to a committed explanation of artificial gravity
Stopping on (planet began with R, I think this is where Troy and Riker spent a weekend, or something like that?). Sort of an underground brothel/strip club.
The intro of the Suliban race, a shapeshifting race that appears to be the worker bees for a Temporal Cold War
The Klingon homeworld, called Chronos... why? Did I miss something during TNG and DS9? How is it that the Klingons can live without electricity, but can still fly at high warp speed.
Anyway, Enjoy the pilot,
Dennis
So what happens when Captain Archer struggles with the Prime Directive? Won't he get it all mixed up with the string theory and "striving to put right what once went wrong?"
Something in the back of my mind said I should have turned my cable on last night and watched CBC from Windsor. But I'll just suffer and catch UPN out of Detroit. *shrug*
"If you insist on using Windoze you're on your own."
I remember being a die-hard TOS fan...refusing to even watch the premier episode of STNG. Now of course I'm a STNG fan and leery of the new series. However I will watch it, and try and remember how dorky Farpoint looks in relationship to the later episodes of STNG.
I'll be shocked if the first episode is awesome, but I'll keep watching. Gene lives on through these series afterall. And after the space opera that was Voyager, I have to believe that they've learned some lessons!
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The Klingon homeworld, called Chronos... why?
The Klingon homeworld is Qo'noS. Not sure exactly how that's pronounced, but I would guess that it sounds something like Chronos.
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no quality entertainment down here"
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He never claimed that, Edmonfucker.
What, poor Taco can't afford an antenna for his TV?
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until we here the words "Oh boy."?
I know, I really do know....everyone IS a smartass.
McDoobie
It will be called: Star Trek: Friends.
[pink beam of light]
If you're still blacked out (as in Holland, MI -- sorry Rob), I'd suggest contacting all the local stations that carry a lot of syndicated content. That sort of agitation is rather appropriate -- the first Star Trek series lasted an extra season because of it.
Not that I really care about "Enterprise". I seem to be the only slashdotter who realizes that this will be a dud. Same "creative" team as Voyager, even more potential for logic-free stories. (The bad guys are time travellers, for crissakes! Every time the writers get stuck, they'll declare a pardox.) But it is essential that all America should witness Buffy's return from the dead!
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Spelling issues aside, it's my understanding that the the original concept had this Vulcan being the same character as the lady from "Amok Time". They later decided to make her a separate character.
LOL! I have this fantasy where in Star Trek, any Star Trek, someone's digging around in the historical archives and comes across... Star Trek, the Television Show.
I also fantasize about somebody in the huge number of time-locked cartoon strips (Foxtrot, Kevin & Kell, Dilbert probably qualifies by now, Peanuts wasn't quite time-locked but time passed around 10x too slowly) discovering that time isn't progressing. (I also think it'd be cool to do a fan strip where a number of these strips get together to do something about it...)
Age is just not an issue. ST writers rely more and more on time travel gimmicks these days. So in the event (alas, unlikely) that Nimoy decides to make an appearance, we just have to send the Enterprise-Null through a time warp, so they can help him finish the democratization of Romulus. How long has that thing been hanging fire?
I think the reason most SF uses navy terminology, etc. is a basic extrapolation.
Navy: Large ships, large crews, long deployments, crew lives aboard ship, Ship visits ports / resupply infrequently.
Air Force: small craft (relativly, anyway)small crews, short deployment / mission, crew lives on base, etc. even a large plane rarely stays airborn for more than 24hrs (with in-flight refueling)
Which one sounds more like your typical SF show?
Space Ships (as opposed to fighters, etc.) stay out of port(space station, world, etc) for relatively long periods of time, have large crews living onboard, etc.
The Navy has evolved customs, traditions, regulations, etc. specifically to deal with this type of mission - The Air Force has never needed to.
"Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our
My main complaint with DS9 was what I called BooBoo... the cutesy little feringy bartender -- oops - I mean Barkeep in the cutesy-pseudo-medieval-lingo Trekies use.
This cutesy-comic-relief-agent (CCRA) is perhaps most obvious in JarJar Binks; the main reason I have not seen and never intend to see, the Phantom Menace. I mean, hey, that's what R2D2 was for.
So Anyway.... is this new series also cursed with a CCRA? Please let me know so I can save myself the agony.
Thanks
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
The intro song has, for the first time, WORDS! This was startling and disappointing, until I found myself liking the song. Anyone heard it before?
I haven't seen the show yet (I'll be watching it in the theater tonight. Yes, theater - one of the local stations made a deal with a local place to show it on the big screen - COOL!), but, I've seen the intro - the song is Rod Stewart's "Faith Of The Heart". Not typically my style, but, it fits the concept of Enterprise fairly well, and is one of his better works.
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Have to admit that I felt a bit uneasy hearing a popsong in the trailer. Although "Magic Carpet Ride" was used to good effect in First Contact.
However, technically, this is not the first time lyrics have been associated with a Star Trek theme song. According to Steve E. Whitfield's excellent book, The Making of Star Trek, Roddenberry penned lyrics for the original them, although they were not used.
The lyrics are as follows:
Beyond
The rim of star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches
I know
His journey end never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.
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Since Canada got first crack at Enterprise, did any of you DivX it? Some of us with no UPN access are dying to see it. Is it in the wild yet? Where would one look? Anyone?... Rah, Rah, we love Canada. :)
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I haven't seen the show yet, but I hesitantly admit to being worried after seeing the previews UPN has been airing. I was struck mostly by explosions, risque female body parts, and a theme song that sounded like a less talented Dido. I swear to god, if this becomes Star Trek Dawson's Creek style I will myself seek out new ways and new inventions to slowly torture Rick Berman. He will boldly go to a world of pain where no one has gone before.
Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here
Worst episode ever. Rest assured I was on the internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.
--CBG
I wouldn't know, as they never say anything worth listening to.
Filthy plane-crashing bastards.
Too bad we're all going to miss it.
Enterprise is produced by Paramount Pictures. Paramount is on the board of directors of the MPAA. There have been many discussions here on the evils of the MPAA. Those evils include prosecuting people for trying to exercise their fair use rights under U.S. copyright law.
We're not helping our selves if we continue to pump money into corporations who use a portion of their profits to try to take away our legal rights.
If we don't help our selves, we deserve what happens to us.
This series is filmed with HDTV cameras. It's too bad UPN doesn't broadcast any HDTV, this would be the perfect content for it (other than sports).
I like all the CBS and ABC shows being broadcast in beautiful 1920x1080 HDTV. But, give me sci-fi any day.
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Don't remember any malfunctioning holodecks though.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
I watched it last night on A-Channel in Edmonton. It wasn't that bad, but it wasn't that great either.
I'm not a Trek fan by any means. I don't really enjoy anything but the last few seasons of Next Generation, and I find those to be simply tolerable. However, this new incarnation didn't turn my stomach in that same way that DS9 or Voyager routinely did (when I bothered to tune in).
My big beef was with the crappy dialogue. I was surprised that the actors didn't revolt. I'd love to be able to quote some of it, but if you watch the US premier, be sure to keep it in mind.
The sets were great. They feel far more rugged and less polished. Nice changes in my opinion.
The subtle touches were also quite nice. No food replicator, but rather an actual cook and mess hall, and real steaks in the captains dining room. Archer brought along his pet dog. The engineering bay was reminiscent of a submarine (starkly mechanical).
What I didn't like is something I'll call "Vulcan ex machina". To many solutions pulled right out of her ass at the last minute to bail out the crew. Much more of that and I won't even notice when the series fades from memory.
They've also really gone the extra mile to try and recreate the triad relationship of Kirk/Spock/McCoy. In this case it's Archer/T'Pol/ and the engineering guy, not the doctor.
All in all, it's 2.5 out of 5. Hopefully it'll get better as I do see a lot of potential here, however make note of the fact that they couldn't even make it out of the series premier without reversing the polarity of something or other. Go figure.
-- kwashiorkor --
Leaps in Logic
should not be confused with
Jumping to Conclusions.
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Actually its run out of Winnipeg with Alberta operations out of Calgary, however neither is an affilate of the other. Been like that since the start even though it has a higer profile in edmonton because of the oilers broadcast rights.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
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That space suit S.B. is wearing looks like it was designed, both in line and color, by the same people who brought us the Cardassian(sp?) aesthetic.
And that ship is stupid looking. It has design elements from every enterprise since Kirk's ship right up through the future. I was sort of hoping for a logical pre-future design. I thought the picture in the German TV guide was supposed to be a fake; but then I see promos with the same silly ship. Sigh.
Honestly. What's so wrong with firing the old design team and getting new people with fresh perspectives?
(Aside from the Machiavellian aspect of it all.) The design people are probably ACTRA.
Ah well, here's to hoping! In anther 25 minutes, we'll all get to see!
-Fantastic Lad --Trek is my only addiction. Really.
It was on last night, 25th on the A channel an independant channel out of Alberta, Canada.
Saw it on the dish.
Better than I expected, must admit the theme song, yes theme song with words even, threw me at first. But very shoot'em up and better than most ST movies.
Looks like they may take a B5 approach to storylines with plots and characters fleshing out over several stories. Will have to wait and see.
Since I was the only one at work that saw it last night, everyone else is watching tonight, I had to limit my comments to the basics.
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And be ashamed. I have as dirty a mind as the next geek, but this business of hiring people on the sex appeal is another Bad Sign. OK, Jeri Ryan is a decent actress (though not as good as Jennifer Lien). But every time she pranced on camera in those high heels and that body stocking, I wanted to scream. Hey Janeway, how come the Maquis converts have to wear uniforms, but not the Borg? Hey Borg collective, how come you got rid of her extra hand and eye, but not ... no, don't go there.
The theme song I just heard was very cheesy.. hope the show doesnt suck as much.
it's now the first commerical break, and i was totally enthralled until the theme song.
my lord, it sounds like it was done by some out-of-work hairspray-metal band's lead singer. if i have to listen to this for seven years, i'd actually contemplate watxhing Lexx instead (shudder).
----- Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. --Army of Darkness
DS9 - Emmy winner best theme song
VOY - Emmy winner best theme song
Enterprise - Rod Stewart?!?!?!?
Well, so far the opening was rather good, with hte exception of the music. I was not sure if I was suposed to pull out my old Poison World Tour shirt, and light my lighter, or head to Audiogalaxy and download one of the old ones to play over it. I always sort of liked the fact that the opening songs had not lyrics. hopefully this was just for the premier.
Justin
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I was also asking myself about that.. And ( Google IS my best friend ) found this "biography":-)
Biographical Data
Assimilated at an early age, Seven of Nine [ pics of the actress at her fan site ] remained a part of the Borg Collective for eighteen years, serving most recently as Tertiary Adjunct to Uni-matrix 01 within the Collective.
Seven of Nine served as the liaison between the Borg Collective and the Federation Starship Voyager during the war with the malevolent Species 8472.
Her specific function was to assist Federation Captain Kathryn Janeway and Lieutenant Tuvok in developing a biogenic weapon that would defeat Species 8472, which had been attacking the Borg Collective in their realm within the Delta Quadrant.
Seven of Nine had several confrontations with crewmembers of the starship Voyager, most notably when Commander Chakotay (in temporary command as Captain Janeway recovered in sickbay), depressurized the deck which the Borg were located on, ejecting all but Seven of Nine into space.
Despite these difficulties, the alliance between the Borg Collective and Voyager proved successful, and with the success of the biogenic weapon, Species 8472 withdrew from Borg space and returned to their own realm.
Seven of Nine attempted to gain control and assimilate the Starship Voyager once Species 8472 had been defeated, but her link to the Collective mind was severed when Commander Chakotay utilized Borg technology to appeal to her human side.
Seven of Nine was taken to sickbay, where her human genes began to re-emerge. Captain Janeway decided to keep Seven of Nine aboard Voyager, since she was responsible for severing her link to the Collective.
Captain Janeway's hope is that Seven of Nine will choose to remain with aboard the ship, since they can offer her the one thing that the Borg Collective could not... friendship.
Now severed from the Collective, and with her human genes resurfacing, Seven of Nine's body began to have violent, life threatening reactions to this process.
Her Borg implants began to re-assert themselves, attempting to preserve her assimilation, and Captain Janeway ordered the Holographic Doctor to remove her Borg implants entirely.
The Doctor, having studied Borg implants extensively from previous encounters, was successful in removing her implants.
Once this process had been completed, Seven of Nine's human genes were able to regenerate and she was restored to near total humanity.
She has reluctantly decided to remain onboard the starship Voyager, realizing that being amongst a group of humans is the most suitable place for her to re-discover her own sense of individuality and humanity.
Seven of Nine has been a major part in the design and construction of the state-of-the-art Astrometrics Lab aboard the starship Voyager, where she currently spends much of her time.
Introductory Medical Notes:
The Borg formerly known by the designation "Seven of Nine" has been disconnected from the Borg Collective mind through the neutralization of the upper-spinal column neurotransceiver.
In total, I have extracted eighty-two percent of her Borg hardware implants. The remaining bio-implants have been stabilized and remain critical to her life support.
I have also stimulated her human metabolism and immune system, though the Borg Nanobots in her bloodstream will more than suffice until she has stabilized.
Hair follicles have been repaired and stimulated. Her left eyepiece has been replaced by an artificial organ replacement, simulating her own organic eye.
Starfleet records indicate that Seven of Nine was formerly Annika Hansen. Annika's parents were last reported to be leaving a remote outpost in the Omega sector, headed towards the Delta Quadrant in a small vessel The Raven.
It is possible that the Hansen family were the first humans to be assimilated by the Borg.
Current Assignment: U.S.S. Voyager - no formal duty assignment.
Full Name at birth: Annika Hansen.
Borg designation: Seven of Nine Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix01.
Place of birth: Tendara Colony, Stardate 25479.
Date of Assimilation: Approx.18 years prior to Stardate 50984.3
Place of Assimilation: Delta Quadrant.
Marital status: Single.
Species: Human.
Nostalgia may be good and all, but there ain't no way Paramount is going to be dumb enough to try to make a series with that in mind. That'd kill the series a lot more than your perceptions of inconsistant depictions of the future between TOS and Enterprise. Believe it or not.
CBC doesn't carry it in Canada, I saw it on A-Channel last night
It has occurred to me that an unusually high number of military personnel, particularly Air Force, lose lots of hair compared to the average joe. What exactly causes this?
...Roddenberry penned lyrics for the original them, although they were not used.
For good reason.
The lyrics are as follows:
The Vogons may have something to worry about.
Edith Keeler Must Die
UPN and Enterprise on 3 channels.
For some reason I thought it was going to be on at 9pm, so when I woke up from a nap around that time, I found that I had missed it.
Will the pilot be re-run before next week's ep? I'd like to see it before I dive into the rest of the series.
Thanks
What was with that "healing salve" scene with the Vulcan and the Earthman....it seemed to be a little....explicit, especially for Star Trek.
Those seemed a lot more like a porno than a sci-fi show to me.
Mark Covington
Caucasia is a region in central asia, what the fuck are you talking about? I think UPN had a point in your case.
Posting anonymously as my karma is too precious for guys like yourself.
I guess I missed it, was it a NG episode?
Damnit! Klingon blood is pink! Didn't they watch Star Trek 6?!?
I really wanted to hear Scott do the "Space the final fontier bit..."!
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
It was good, and I think it will be a good series. Very close to NG levels. It's bice to see a series of this quality after DS9 and voyager which were both pretty bad. I really enjoyed all the charaters, none of them got on my nerves which happend alot with voyager. I'm looking foward to this series.
how are they going to explain the war with the klingons after that mushy klingon loving ending.
It was O.K. but I can't wait to see all the old Star Trek Next Gen. episodes on TNN
Seeing the old Undiscovered Country movie was cool to.
We seldom regret saying too little but often regret saying too much.
What's with the crappy theme music?!! And what was that whole erotic decontamination scene?
You're Just Jealous Because The Voices Are Talking To Me.
dude that vulcan chick is hot!
If you didn't enoy the jiggle factor of Voyager, give this one a pass. It bears even less relation to the original Star Trek than the previous series have had and there was a pointless "ointment" scene that definitely places this series in the T&A column.
In fact, about the only thing this series will be good for is as a lead in to SU2.
* As is generally the case, my opinions do not reflect those of my employer.
My god, Vulcans have nipples!
Yes, but whats that got to do with the price of tea in D'ni?
I for one thought it was very professional in both special effects and actors. A great first episode.
Did anyone notice Scott Dracula's dad's speech had "...to go boldly..."
:)
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I think that visually it's stunning, in the same way I found DS9 beautiful: It portrays technology without an overabundance of overly shiny things. Things that almost look real, a nice turn from the bright and shiny (for the 30 minutes of each episode it wasn't shot to hell) Voyager, and an interesting contradiction to the apparent technological backwardness of TOS. (Which I've been able to explain away. The TOS takes place during a time in when the humans, confident in the toys it's been playing with for the last 150 years can manage themselves, allow for more computer control than at any other time depicted. Of course, they turned back towards more fine control placed back in the hands of the crew after a period of time...)
R.
pointy as those ears. (Score:-1)
:)
Huh? It's fucking true! I love UPN
That dumb, vacant look... George W. Bush is boldly going where no man has gone before!
Did anyone else think that it had Star Wars overtones? For example, the space bar with all the different aliens and the taliban... i mean suliban pods... that looked like imperial fighters without the wings.
You're Just Jealous Because The Voices Are Talking To Me.
Methinks the Federation Starfleet are more like unto the US Coastguard merged with NOAA and NASA than any DOD subclass.
Well for all you people who missed the show, or saw it, here is the no BS shorthand of the show:
The Theme: It's cheezy 80's metal balad sounding. My god it's sounds out of place in a show set in space! Who came up with that idea? Silly. The intro looks very UN trek. It's all "hip" n shit with layers and overlays with funky effects. I kid you not brothers. Gone is space and emmy award winning humable intro tunes.
The cast: Not bad. The Vulcan has TATA's that make 7 o 9 look like a 12 year old. My it was cold in the little blue room....so very cold! All I can say is if ever week we need to see her get all oily and semi nude in a VERY cold room, fuck the dam transporters!
Backula is ok. The supporting cast is small. 4 by my count. Seems they learned a thing or two about bigass casts.
The ship: Uhhh ok, it's set in the past, so why does it look like a a ship from DS9? Where is the gleaming white paint!? Were the years of TOS just a short span of the future when people thought it would be neat to paint ships off white?
The inside of the ship: Uhh again, where are the office like walls? The nice big buttons!? The static wall displays? The need to press a button to open doors now. Man they were so silly backward in the future!
The good: No translator! Weeee! Aliens talk funny! teehe! Not so easy for aliens to sound like they from da bronx no mo. Beam outs? They say no but they do it. Seems to hing on plot when it will work. Nothing new since EVERY star trek show plot point depends on some jerk getting it to work "in... the.... nick.. of time!"
No sheilds! But the hull can be pol-la-rized. And that seems to act excatly likes sheilds! What a suprise.
The aliens: Look like the aliens in DS9 or voyager. Ho hum. The universe of star trek has always had silly aliens. I am an alien. I have rubber on my nose.
The big bad guy seems to be a alien who is masked in shadow and who, get this, is fighting a "cold war" from the future?. I don't like where this is going. Did not one of the writers ever see Timecop? I smell something stinky!
The show: It works. This is not the starship Macntosh of the future, more the Amiga OS ship of the past. The vulcans come off as bad guys. The doctor seems like the love chid of the EMH of voyager and Nelix.
Fun facts: People from earth are "so damm sick" of vulcans damm logic! Don't ya know. We know. We know.
Warp 4 is hellafast! People still use baseball caps and not in a kitchy way. People say ass and son of a bitch. Vulcans have nice nipples.
I think I may like it. I am looking forward to the crossover when 7'o9 needs to strip in the little blu room with Ms nipples of Enterprise! Woo! Tickle fight anyone?
Jebus
I can't help but think that Paramount needs to get away from their earthcentric view of Star Trek altogether. There's lots of cool species populating the Star Trek universe, and few of them would be burdened by ST canon.
I dunno how interesting it would be to the rest of you, but I'd like a show featuring a bunch of bloodthirsty Klingons flying around, dispensing a little bit of Klingon Justice to some uppity . No need for universal translators there - everyone speaks "disruptor." The moral dilemma of the week problems would be more interesting too, but never anything that couldn't be solved with a bat'leh.
Finally, the thing that's always bothered me about humans since TNG has been that there aren't very many political factions. The Klingons have lots of factions and intrigue. In fact, the sad thing about the ST writing in the last ten years has been their silly reliance on pseudo-physics, chemistry, and pop-psychology. Shakespeare wouldn't recognize Paramount's apparent idea of drama as being all that dramatic. In fact, I think a show about Klingons could say more about the human condition in an hour than a show about some whiny human liberals and a fistful of temporal distortion problem would say in a season.
Captain Sisco, (pronounced the same way as that company that makes little green boxes) was the name of the DS9 captian.
:) ... since the big Q of our time has just been purchased by HP, I'd hate to not see any more of the Q of trek's time.
:) ... If voyager can explain why Q didn't just beam them back to the alpha quadrent, SHURELY Enterprise can make up piss weak excuses why Q can't join their crew :P
I really wanna see the big Q in the new series
He even made his way into series 7 voyager. Let him in
The last few seasons of DS9 didn't have a bad story arc...
... which is then shown when homeguard and psi-corp kill the president in series 7) (sorry if you're half way throught the series :P
:) )
except that WAS only brought on BECAUSE of Bab5's success.
I'm a big fan of the B5 story-arc... but if the writers of Enterprise haven't worked out an arc by now, it's too late.
The nice thing about B5 was that things mentioned in ep1 didn't pan out until series 7 (for example, in Ep3, Garaboldi is reading in his paper that 'The Psi-Corp doesn't like the newly elected president and his alien ties'
It was thought out from start to finish. No other TV series has managed that yet. B5 was more like a 52 hour long movie than a TV series. (Yes, I did watch it a second time on tape... took me about 2 weeks
They killed off the brain eating chick :)
:) ... Thats gotta be the ONLY series that they actually made the concept of an invincible supporting characture WORK.
:) ... They sure could do to kill that fuckin' robot head off with its DAMN annoying poetry. MORE OF Kai singing the Brunnen-G fight song (We-All-Ay-O... from the begining theme)I recon :) (I wish I could get that solo he did in front of the beaurocrats on Fire in MP3. He sounded awesome)
That was in one of the movies though... did she make it to a series at all? I can't remember.
Kai was dead through the whole series, what are you talking about?
And Zev, oh my Zev Zev
But yeah, how can you kill off one of the charactures in a show with 3 main chars?
Thanks for the context! It really helps; I am now utterly convinced that I'd rather gouge out an eyeball and scrape my thumbnail around in the socket rather than watch Enterprise.
All I can hope for now is that Comic Book Guy will agree with me...
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
They've also really gone the extra mile to try and recreate the triad relationship of Kirk/Spock/McCoy. In this case it's Archer/T'Pol/ and the engineering guy, not the doctor.
Also, the there is a clear analog for Scotty in the person of Weapons Man Lieutenant Malcolm Reed who has a somewhat British/Commonwealth accent.
I'd say that Communications Specialist Ensign Hoshi Sato, is a beefed up Uhura character, more along the lines of the role she played in the movies rather than in TOS, which often wasn't much more than glorified receptionist.
Then you have Mayweather filling in the junior bridge officer slot of Chekov and Sulu combined, perhaps with a bit of Tom Paris/Harry Kim thrown in. But why was it that Mayweather was instructing Tucker in how to fly the alien ship? Why was Tucker flying the alien ship in the first place if he is an engineer?
The doctor 'Phlox' I think is filling more the role of Neelix from Voyager. Note how he is introducing the crew to all these alien medical treatments much as Neelix would get the crew to eat alien foods.
Work for Change & GET PAID!
Stopping on (planet began with R, I think this is where Troy and Riker spent a weekend, or something like that?). Sort of an underground brothel/strip club
:)
Risa. The terraformed pleasure planet with many many scantily dressed native gals.
Yea, Riker's kind of place. Though I can't quite see it as Troi's.
Pain(n): when you're telnetting into a box doing somethin cool, and some luser calls for help with a 'critical error' ad
LOL! I have this fantasy where in Star Trek, any Star Trek, someone's digging around in the historical archives and comes across... Star Trek, the Television Show.
... ) discovering that time isn't progressing.
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Mel Brooks did it, in Spaceballs. IIRC, they even went through the Spaceballs videotape to figure out what was going to happen...
I also fantasize about somebody in [a] time-locked cartoon strip (Foxtrot,
http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/viewft.cfm?uc_fn
(In linked strip, Jason responds to a comment about Dad growing up, "Whoa. Did I just stumble into 'For Better or For Worse'?")
FYI, "For Better or for Worse" is perhaps the *only* strip I can think of where the kids age in real-ish time.
I love self-referential humor...
He's not even a good Neelix. They really need to do something about that ASAP.
Of course the idea that Phlox uses stuff like alien leeches and such to fix people up is interesting.
Republicans are idiots.
Spoken like a true submarine sailor!
:)
Actually, according to Chapman's Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling a boat is any vessel less than 65 feet long, a ship is 65 and over. And I've heard a Navy saying that "you can put a boat on a ship; you can't put a ship on a boat; subs are always boats."
My son did say boats. You know, it could be that the Navy has more ships than the Army...
But what do I know. I just have a little dinghy
BTW, in my navy analogues, other than describing how groups of ships as "fleets" I was specifically trying to avoid referencing a USA-centric navy. Trouble is, I do not know the names for any other nation's fleets if they are currently maintaining them in multiple oceans like the USA does.
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
Yup, Next Generation. Fairly late, maybe 6th or 7th season? Around the time when they were setting up the Cardassians as the villains to base DS9 on. I thought it was a pretty decent episode. I have a friend who thinks it's the best, but he's more into the whole Cardassian/Bejoran (sp?) thing than I am.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
I'd like to point you to the wonderful example of Farscape, which has had an ongoing story arc and is beautifully acted, written, and directed.
I am hoping against hope that the writers will take some examples from that show and learn how to construct an overarching storyline.
+++ATH0
Male pattern baldness is caused by a susceptibility of hair follicles to the effects of the male hormone, testosterone.Since testosterone also causes aggressiveness (as well as many other things, good and bad), it's not really surprising that many military types are balding.
(However the reverse is not always true...the susceptibility is optional and genetic.To go bald you need to have fairly high levels of testosterone AND the genes for testosterone-induced hair loss.So it doesn't mean that people with full heads of hair are necessarily wimps...they just may not be genetically inclined to lose hair.)
Or maybe you're just a wanker...
Yup...he only wrote them so he could grab half of Alexander Courage's royalties.Sad but true.
Am I the only one who is confused by the Klingon makeup (silicone prostheses)? Why do these pre-TOS klingons not look like the TOS Klingons?
When I was watching, I dismissed it as "They've decided to treat the TOS Klingons' difference as a weakness in the make-up technology, and we'll ignore it for the storyline". But later, I remembered that in the DS9 time-travel episode which revisited "the Trouble with Tribbles" episode, there are actual lines in the script where the humans (Bashir and I think O'Brien) question Worf on this difference. He refuses to explain, saying that it is something that they do not discuss.
Therefore, the storyline admits to a (genetic?) change in Klingon appearance between TOS and TNG. I have a few theories of how this could make sense, but every one has a hole in it. Anyone care to explain it to me? It's pretty sorry to see such a logic hole right off in episode 101, scene 1.