Copyright issues isn't as damaging to society as say a web sites that enables access to drug dealers.
That may be true, but you are also incorrectly attempting to equate apples to orangutans
It's not because there is proof that some encouragement of illegal activities is available and not reprimanded that it's not illegal. I can jerk off in front of your house all day but until someone calls the cops about it I'm not going to be charge for it. If nobody cares it won't see the light of day. Keep in mind that US is one of the few places where hate speech is allowed and the laws are very different in other countries such as Denmark in this case.
My advice to you is to learn some history
Why are you getting personal?
My advice to you is to learn some history and stop defending non-event prosecution. Perhaps then you would realize how dangerous the process you are backing really is. Immunity for people who think they are in the club generally does not last very long. Chinese and Russian history is full of examples.
Oh look, I played with a knife and I cut myself. Why are people surprised when this happens? I don't need history to tell me that publishing information about illegal activities is playing with fire. You piss someone off enough they'll make it their life's work to ruin yours. It's exactly what is happening here. History has many example of this too.
Which is why it's much easier to proceed with a crime that has no consequences so it's why it takes precedence over the one that is less likely. (I'm referring to the people making use of the information, not the ones providing it).
Most people could speed excessively today but don't (key being excessive). There were studies done on this and believe it or not most speed limits are set based on driver comfort zone with a few exceptions such as school zones. Most people don't want to get in an accident so they won't speed excessively. It falls under the umbrella of "self preservation".
this was before the news about Lenovo shitting all over users with Superfish and whatnot came out, I wouldn't buy one now, but last year it looked like a good choice
This really should have been pinned on Paolo Alto since they are the source of the software and in business you trust your partners. This is one case where Lenovo should not have trusted it's partners. I forgave them for it because it didn't affect my production machines as they usually get wiped and imaged to company requirements.
The "better screen" claim is especially hilarious; the Lenovo has 3200x1800, a higher resolution than any13" (or 15") Mac I'm aware of
His claim probably stems from the Retina display available in the MacBook Pro which you can also get as 4k resolution with the Lenovo.
A lot of other companies are getting into this now, but Apple has a pretty big head start, and they're not showing any signs of abandoning this practice any time soon.
It's important to compare apples with apples:)
I'm only partially in agreement. While HP appeared to continue dumping crappy products 7-8 years ago, it's competitor Lenovo has done a bang up job for a little more money. OS aside, Lenovo has had a decent lineup of laptops if you look at the $700+ price point. Where all laptop manufacturers failed is at providing an affordable SSD option. It took until 2015 to start seeing decent price point offerings for laptops with SSDs.
The fact is that the Laptop manufacturer's reputation hangs from all level of products. So the $300 laptop that only lasted 3 years make HP, Lenovo and Dell look like crappy manufacturers compared to Apple's $1500 MacBook. Fact is that the $800 laptops did very much compete directly with the MacBooks while the $1200 laptops competed with the MacBook Pros.
Mac book processing specs ($1900): 1.2GHz dual-core Intel Core M processor (Turbo Boost up to 2.6GHz) with 4MB shared L3 cache 8GB DDR3 512SSD Intel HD Graphics 5300
The Lenovo is above or equal in all major categories.
more fully featured
How so? It has less USB port, smaller screen...
Not only are they less expensive for the lifetime of ownership
Explain how. I don't see it.
longer lives
Compared with $300 laptops maybe but all the Lenovo laptops purchased 5 years ago in our business environment are still going strong. The one I purchased for my wife is 6 years old. The only thing I did was replace the drive with an SSD drive to improve her user experience.
Total win
What Apple has over all it's PC equivalent is the amazing in store support but that's only available for those who live where there's an Apple Store.
Your analogy is good but it's not a 100% comparative. If you included information about where the police is and isn't so that you can speed without getting caught that would be more like it.
Or how to setup a police radar...
Because speeding isn't considered as much of an offence as stealing it doesn't get the same response from the authorities.
The original reference to teachers was not comparable either. These guys were operating in the same form as accomplices which means they fall within the grasp of the justice system. If teachers were teaching a language with the purpose of enabling crime they would then also become accomplices.
Copyright issues isn't as damaging to society as say a web sites that enables access to drug dealers. Unfortunately in the eyes of the law, crime is crime. My advice to anybody is to avoid getting involved in enabling illegal activities or be willing to accept possible consequences. Copyright infringement affects enough people that society will gobble down whoever gets in the way of it's rights and that's not just the people at the top of the food chain but all those working in affected fields.
This isn't a new use for an old concept. It's precisely the same use implemented in essentially the same way
I agree but it's still news worthy and the banter does nothing to improve the conversation about the feature. The fact that the most popular PC OS now has a major performance improvement for low memory H/W is good news and is worthy of the community.
At no point does the article claim MS invented something. The article actually specifically makes reference how it's using the existing concept of memory compression.
As far as I'm concerned this wasn't the biggest priority in their eyes (and it probably wouldn't have been my guess either) but now that they take feedback directly from the community (by letting them vote up what they want most) it makes sense that they moved forward on it.
Come on. Companies can't list new features without being called negatively on it?
It's silly to point out completely different implementations of the same concept as "DONE BEFORE!". Compression is old and has, could and will be used for many different strategies in the future.
New uses for old concepts is an ongoing thing and should not be regarded as non original. By those standards flight was never a big achievement since birds have been flying for millions of years.
Most of us here serve as IT resources for these "regular users" so it is a good basis to work from. IMHO most experienced IT professionals already know this but seeing other IT professional's opinions can help you update/adjust your view of "minimum requirement".
I'll agree that his definition of "regular user" is ill defined but I can read between the lines and assume he's talking about the 80%: browsing, streaming, word processing, taxes, accounting and ERP. All those to me fit within the "regular user" realm.
Agreed for most users. 4GB is the minimum I spec for VMs and I usually make 8GB the minimum for workstations.
2GB is fine for a barebone OS with a light custom app but I would never advise anybody to go that route unless H/W limitations were present. I've seen this occur often with computers included with industrial manufacturing equipment.
Most people foresee the future by looking at the past so it's not as obvious as you would think. Those who have the gift of foresight end up joining the million dollar club because they're ahead of the curve. Most of us just follow what they lay in front of us.
My opinion of the situation is that the decision was made with financials in mind (keep the cost low) and using the existing architecture "for now" was good enough. They could NOT have known that their temporary design would end up feeding into a standard need caused by the popularization of an OS.
The "640 kB is enough" is a myth attributed . The blame for this should actually be placed at IBM's feet
Routers have offered traffic priority features for a while now. Unfortunately it's still not perfect and it's difficult to allocate the right amount of resources to each service especially if they aren't known. For those managing large corporation or enterprise bandwidth, they understand the challenges in controlling traffic. Netflix per example is really difficult to block because there are many sources from which it can come and the resolved name isn't consistent either.
Encrypted (HTTPS) services can appear anonymous to the router making it difficult for it to decide if it should have priority or not. What you're left with is the option to give only priority to services you know. That also has it's drawbacks because I don't think the router will ever be familiar enough with all the different services available out there
I never reboot my router since I had it hooked up to a UPS. Coincidence? Maybe.
Fact is that just as the product is starting to have very good software, the next generation H/W comes and they completely drop dev for it. I used to work for D-Link and I was there when the first routers were released in North America. They've come a long way but as long as they drop dev between generations you'll never has a solid consumer grade router.
I think the reason MS says this is because the tiles have the same amount of access as the applications. If your application has admin access it can do admin when tile information is requested by the OS. So the live tiles themselves don't do anything. The call to get the rendering is where all the code is executed and it's no different than running the app itself.
The things that get ripped out from under you are:
(1) Windows Media Center (2) DVD Playback (3) Desktop gadgets (4) Preinstalled games (Solitaire, Minesweeper, Hearts; you have to purchase replacements) (5) USB Floppy drive support (6) The OneDrive application from Windows Essentials (it's replaced instead with the sync application) (7) Windows Updates are forced on you instead of being optional, unless you pay more for Pro or Enterprise
1) The installer notifies you that you will lose that feature if you currently have it enabled. So no issue there. Note the feature wasn't popular so that's why MS made away with it. 2) DVD Playback. Performing updates will install Windows DVD Player at no charge (limited time) which will provide DVD playback 3) It was a shitty feature that reeked security holes. MS decided it wasn't a popular enough feature to keep it. So as far as I'm concerned it was a good decision 4) Big deal. There's tones of better offerings online for free 5) The nostalgia. 99.9% of users do not use floppy drives on computers that can run Windows 10. If you need that support you can still use a Windows 7 machine in a virtual box or equivalent. Good on MS to finally drop some legacy support. You'll still be able to use them using 3rd party software. 6) It's built-in. How is this a problem? 7) I'm not a fan of this one either but I can see why they did it. There's pros and cons to either way of doing. For most users it's no skin off their nose since they were already setup for auto updates
I fail to see malware in any of the 7 points.
The bandwidth sharing for Home and Pro is a big deal for me too but it's not malware as it's intent is not malicious. See definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
You have the option to disable it and the estimated monthly bandwidth usage is minimal (estimated at a maximum 2GB of sharing / month). If everybody disables it, that could increase the load for the ones who have it on (I'm assuming as I don't fully understanding their peer to peer implementation).
So is this truly an issue? Depends if the estimated max of 2GB / month of sharing is accurate. After all, the product is offered for free and we all know there's significant cost in hosting updates. I guess the next question is: "Would you pay for your updates?". That would bring us back to a subscription model which most aren't a fan of. At the end of the day something has to give and consumers often prefer paying for it indirectly (such as advertisement). MS is working with the tools it has so it's hard to blame them even if I'm not a fan of the torrent style updates.
It's free for life for all devices that already own Windows 7 or 8 and install it within the year. This is information right off their website. The cost to purchase after that is fairly nominal.
all that adware and spyware will still be present and enabled by default,
What malware? Please point me to concrete evidence of this as I have yet to see it.
They took a good company with a generally excellent history and reputation, and, after beating it half to death
Actually, they hired Elop when shit was hitting the fan HARD. See the graph which shows the clear picture. Elop didn't help the company but it's not his decision making that sunk it.
Electric car advocates continually make the flawed argument that because an electric car can have a daily range of 200 miles or so
This means families with 2 cars could easily replace one of their gasoline vehicles with an EV.
Extending the range will be done through battery replacement or fast charging stations. The fast charging stations are a bit of a challenge but it can be done. Proof exists in big cities.
I strongly believe we are at the tipping point. The cost of EVs has dropped significantly and the more users get on board the more options will become available.
Gasoline cars won't go extinct overnight but you will see a gradual decline in their existence.
I think its more than reasonable. You get a free upgrade for what you originally purchased. At least this shuts down the rumors of it not being a free upgrade.
Electric cars only suck because of their current cost. The range satisfies 95% of most commuters requirements and even that can be overcome by the many potential solutions that have been presented. Electric cars have a lower ongoing ownership cost due to the limited amount of maintenance required. The largest cost of the vehicle maintenance will be tires. Brakes will last 3+ times longer, no transmission, engine or cooling system fluid changes, no belts, chains, pulleys. Electric motors are much simpler than combustion engines hence the limited number of failure points.
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Yeah but then you fall way outside the price range.
Copyright issues isn't as damaging to society as say a web sites that enables access to drug dealers.
That may be true, but you are also incorrectly attempting to equate apples to orangutans
It's not because there is proof that some encouragement of illegal activities is available and not reprimanded that it's not illegal. I can jerk off in front of your house all day but until someone calls the cops about it I'm not going to be charge for it. If nobody cares it won't see the light of day. Keep in mind that US is one of the few places where hate speech is allowed and the laws are very different in other countries such as Denmark in this case.
My advice to you is to learn some history
Why are you getting personal?
My advice to you is to learn some history and stop defending non-event prosecution. Perhaps then you would realize how dangerous the process you are backing really is. Immunity for people who think they are in the club generally does not last very long. Chinese and Russian history is full of examples.
Oh look, I played with a knife and I cut myself. Why are people surprised when this happens? I don't need history to tell me that publishing information about illegal activities is playing with fire. You piss someone off enough they'll make it their life's work to ruin yours. It's exactly what is happening here. History has many example of this too.
Take a minute to review the definition of accessory to a crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Which is why it's much easier to proceed with a crime that has no consequences so it's why it takes precedence over the one that is less likely. (I'm referring to the people making use of the information, not the ones providing it).
Most people could speed excessively today but don't (key being excessive). There were studies done on this and believe it or not most speed limits are set based on driver comfort zone with a few exceptions such as school zones. Most people don't want to get in an accident so they won't speed excessively. It falls under the umbrella of "self preservation".
Your now ready to become a lawyer.
Copyright infringement is still a criminal offense (One that still has many grey lines).
this was before the news about Lenovo shitting all over users with Superfish and whatnot came out, I wouldn't buy one now, but last year it looked like a good choice
This really should have been pinned on Paolo Alto since they are the source of the software and in business you trust your partners. This is one case where Lenovo should not have trusted it's partners. I forgave them for it because it didn't affect my production machines as they usually get wiped and imaged to company requirements.
The "better screen" claim is especially hilarious; the Lenovo has 3200x1800, a higher resolution than any13" (or 15") Mac I'm aware of
His claim probably stems from the Retina display available in the MacBook Pro which you can also get as 4k resolution with the Lenovo.
A lot of other companies are getting into this now, but Apple has a pretty big head start, and they're not showing any signs of abandoning this practice any time soon.
It's important to compare apples with apples :)
I'm only partially in agreement. While HP appeared to continue dumping crappy products 7-8 years ago, it's competitor Lenovo has done a bang up job for a little more money. OS aside, Lenovo has had a decent lineup of laptops if you look at the $700+ price point. Where all laptop manufacturers failed is at providing an affordable SSD option. It took until 2015 to start seeing decent price point offerings for laptops with SSDs.
The fact is that the Laptop manufacturer's reputation hangs from all level of products. So the $300 laptop that only lasted 3 years make HP, Lenovo and Dell look like crappy manufacturers compared to Apple's $1500 MacBook. Fact is that the $800 laptops did very much compete directly with the MacBooks while the $1200 laptops competed with the MacBook Pros.
How do you figure that?
more powerful
Mac book processing specs ($1900):
1.2GHz dual-core Intel Core M processor (Turbo Boost up to 2.6GHz) with 4MB shared L3 cache
8GB DDR3
512SSD
Intel HD Graphics 5300
Lenovo Y50-70 (highest model) ($1750)
4th Generation Intel Core i7-4720HQ Processor (2.60GHz 1600MHz 6MB)
16GB DDR3
512MB SSD
NVidia 960M
The Lenovo is above or equal in all major categories.
more fully featured
How so? It has less USB port, smaller screen...
Not only are they less expensive for the lifetime of ownership
Explain how. I don't see it.
longer lives
Compared with $300 laptops maybe but all the Lenovo laptops purchased 5 years ago in our business environment are still going strong. The one I purchased for my wife is 6 years old. The only thing I did was replace the drive with an SSD drive to improve her user experience.
Total win
What Apple has over all it's PC equivalent is the amazing in store support but that's only available for those who live where there's an Apple Store.
Your analogy is good but it's not a 100% comparative. If you included information about where the police is and isn't so that you can speed without getting caught that would be more like it.
Or how to setup a police radar...
Because speeding isn't considered as much of an offence as stealing it doesn't get the same response from the authorities.
The original reference to teachers was not comparable either. These guys were operating in the same form as accomplices which means they fall within the grasp of the justice system. If teachers were teaching a language with the purpose of enabling crime they would then also become accomplices.
Copyright issues isn't as damaging to society as say a web sites that enables access to drug dealers. Unfortunately in the eyes of the law, crime is crime. My advice to anybody is to avoid getting involved in enabling illegal activities or be willing to accept possible consequences. Copyright infringement affects enough people that society will gobble down whoever gets in the way of it's rights and that's not just the people at the top of the food chain but all those working in affected fields.
This isn't a new use for an old concept. It's precisely the same use implemented in essentially the same way
I agree but it's still news worthy and the banter does nothing to improve the conversation about the feature. The fact that the most popular PC OS now has a major performance improvement for low memory H/W is good news and is worthy of the community.
At no point does the article claim MS invented something. The article actually specifically makes reference how it's using the existing concept of memory compression.
As far as I'm concerned this wasn't the biggest priority in their eyes (and it probably wouldn't have been my guess either) but now that they take feedback directly from the community (by letting them vote up what they want most) it makes sense that they moved forward on it.
Guys, guys, guys, guys!!!
Come on. Companies can't list new features without being called negatively on it?
It's silly to point out completely different implementations of the same concept as "DONE BEFORE!". Compression is old and has, could and will be used for many different strategies in the future.
New uses for old concepts is an ongoing thing and should not be regarded as non original. By those standards flight was never a big achievement since birds have been flying for millions of years.
Most of us here serve as IT resources for these "regular users" so it is a good basis to work from. IMHO most experienced IT professionals already know this but seeing other IT professional's opinions can help you update/adjust your view of "minimum requirement".
I'll agree that his definition of "regular user" is ill defined but I can read between the lines and assume he's talking about the 80%: browsing, streaming, word processing, taxes, accounting and ERP. All those to me fit within the "regular user" realm.
Agreed for most users. 4GB is the minimum I spec for VMs and I usually make 8GB the minimum for workstations.
2GB is fine for a barebone OS with a light custom app but I would never advise anybody to go that route unless H/W limitations were present. I've seen this occur often with computers included with industrial manufacturing equipment.
Short sighted people make short sighted errors.
Most people foresee the future by looking at the past so it's not as obvious as you would think. Those who have the gift of foresight end up joining the million dollar club because they're ahead of the curve. Most of us just follow what they lay in front of us.
My opinion of the situation is that the decision was made with financials in mind (keep the cost low) and using the existing architecture "for now" was good enough. They could NOT have known that their temporary design would end up feeding into a standard need caused by the popularization of an OS.
The "640 kB is enough" is a myth attributed . The blame for this should actually be placed at IBM's feet
From this wiki: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/...
More about Bill Gates and this comment about 640K: http://www.computerworld.com/a...
Please mod this guy up. I really hate my router for that exact reason but I deal with it because it does the job.
Routers have offered traffic priority features for a while now. Unfortunately it's still not perfect and it's difficult to allocate the right amount of resources to each service especially if they aren't known. For those managing large corporation or enterprise bandwidth, they understand the challenges in controlling traffic. Netflix per example is really difficult to block because there are many sources from which it can come and the resolved name isn't consistent either.
Encrypted (HTTPS) services can appear anonymous to the router making it difficult for it to decide if it should have priority or not. What you're left with is the option to give only priority to services you know. That also has it's drawbacks because I don't think the router will ever be familiar enough with all the different services available out there
I never reboot my router since I had it hooked up to a UPS. Coincidence? Maybe.
Fact is that just as the product is starting to have very good software, the next generation H/W comes and they completely drop dev for it. I used to work for D-Link and I was there when the first routers were released in North America. They've come a long way but as long as they drop dev between generations you'll never has a solid consumer grade router.
I think the reason MS says this is because the tiles have the same amount of access as the applications. If your application has admin access it can do admin when tile information is requested by the OS. So the live tiles themselves don't do anything. The call to get the rendering is where all the code is executed and it's no different than running the app itself.
The things that get ripped out from under you are:
(1) Windows Media Center
(2) DVD Playback
(3) Desktop gadgets
(4) Preinstalled games (Solitaire, Minesweeper, Hearts; you have to purchase replacements)
(5) USB Floppy drive support
(6) The OneDrive application from Windows Essentials (it's replaced instead with the sync application)
(7) Windows Updates are forced on you instead of being optional, unless you pay more for Pro or Enterprise
1) The installer notifies you that you will lose that feature if you currently have it enabled. So no issue there. Note the feature wasn't popular so that's why MS made away with it.
2) DVD Playback. Performing updates will install Windows DVD Player at no charge (limited time) which will provide DVD playback
3) It was a shitty feature that reeked security holes. MS decided it wasn't a popular enough feature to keep it. So as far as I'm concerned it was a good decision
4) Big deal. There's tones of better offerings online for free
5) The nostalgia. 99.9% of users do not use floppy drives on computers that can run Windows 10. If you need that support you can still use a Windows 7 machine in a virtual box or equivalent. Good on MS to finally drop some legacy support. You'll still be able to use them using 3rd party software.
6) It's built-in. How is this a problem?
7) I'm not a fan of this one either but I can see why they did it. There's pros and cons to either way of doing. For most users it's no skin off their nose since they were already setup for auto updates
I fail to see malware in any of the 7 points.
The bandwidth sharing for Home and Pro is a big deal for me too but it's not malware as it's intent is not malicious. See definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
You have the option to disable it and the estimated monthly bandwidth usage is minimal (estimated at a maximum 2GB of sharing / month). If everybody disables it, that could increase the load for the ones who have it on (I'm assuming as I don't fully understanding their peer to peer implementation).
So is this truly an issue? Depends if the estimated max of 2GB / month of sharing is accurate. After all, the product is offered for free and we all know there's significant cost in hosting updates. I guess the next question is: "Would you pay for your updates?". That would bring us back to a subscription model which most aren't a fan of. At the end of the day something has to give and consumers often prefer paying for it indirectly (such as advertisement). MS is working with the tools it has so it's hard to blame them even if I'm not a fan of the torrent style updates.
Go ahead and redefine free as an ISO provided if you wish but for the rest of the world FREE means I get it at no charge.
But in a year, you'll have to pay for it
It's free for life for all devices that already own Windows 7 or 8 and install it within the year. This is information right off their website. The cost to purchase after that is fairly nominal.
all that adware and spyware will still be present and enabled by default,
What malware? Please point me to concrete evidence of this as I have yet to see it.
They took a good company with a generally excellent history and reputation, and, after beating it half to death
Actually, they hired Elop when shit was hitting the fan HARD. See the graph which shows the clear picture. Elop didn't help the company but it's not his decision making that sunk it.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/a/sho...
Electric car advocates continually make the flawed argument that because an electric car can have a daily range of 200 miles or so
This means families with 2 cars could easily replace one of their gasoline vehicles with an EV.
Extending the range will be done through battery replacement or fast charging stations. The fast charging stations are a bit of a challenge but it can be done. Proof exists in big cities.
I strongly believe we are at the tipping point. The cost of EVs has dropped significantly and the more users get on board the more options will become available.
Gasoline cars won't go extinct overnight but you will see a gradual decline in their existence.
I think its more than reasonable. You get a free upgrade for what you originally purchased. At least this shuts down the rumors of it not being a free upgrade.
Most home users don't need pro.
Electric cars only suck because of their current cost. The range satisfies 95% of most commuters requirements and even that can be overcome by the many potential solutions that have been presented. Electric cars have a lower ongoing ownership cost due to the limited amount of maintenance required. The largest cost of the vehicle maintenance will be tires. Brakes will last 3+ times longer, no transmission, engine or cooling system fluid changes, no belts, chains, pulleys. Electric motors are much simpler than combustion engines hence the limited number of failure points.