Looks like there is a steady stream of work being done in AOSP to me.
If you think nothing happens in AOSP it's simply because you've never looked and you've accepted someone else's FUD at face value.
Also it's not about control, it's about actually getting shit done. The recent Wayland vs. Mir thing is a perfect example. Wayland was a good thing, but nobody is adopting it because the community is refusing to give up the old broken X11 for something better. And even still, Wayland has been in development for 5 years now - it's the same age as Android.
You can't take pictures with your camera while it is USB mode. Which is the problem. Your phone shouldn't suddenly become a brick just because you plugged it into a computer like your camera does.
There is a very real technical problem with USB mass storage. This was explained by Android engineers before as well.
Google is currently the *ONLY* company that is standing up to this kind of abuse. Find anyone else, *ANYONE*, that reports these sorts of numbers. They all comply with them, but only Google is willing to talk about it. And only Google has worked to be able to talk about them in the first place.
>The specific design in the PS4 has been shipping for 2 years now under AMD's Fusion brand, also called an "APU". Source?
Really? You couldn't type "amd apu" into Google? Or Bing? Or whatever other search engine you want?
What? I don't even. Are you forgetting what we are talking about? I'm just going to guess you aren't a game developer, or hardware engineer.
I don't actually know what you are disagreeing with...
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Ah, yes, my mistake. So you're talking a $180 video card.
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GDDR5 is based off of DDR3, they aren't that different. Also a big [CITATION NEEDED] on the "more expensive" claim. A GTX 650 with 1GB of GDDR5 is $110. A GTX 650 with 2GB of GDDR5 is a whopping $120. $10 for 1GB of GDDR5 isn't exactly what I'd call "expensive".
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No, of course not, but it comes with a keyboard and mouse which is better for playing FPS and RTS games anyway.
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The price of the FX-4100 is irrelevant because that's a very different architecture, and Jaguar is also on a process shrink. The motherboard will also be cheaper than because it doesn't have things like PCI-Express. Similarly the GPU will be much cheaper because it doesn't have all the power circuitry, doesn't have a PCB, doesn't have its own RAM, etc... We'll see what the equivalent PC actually costs when Jaguar drops, but we clearly are both in the similar range, and are both *way* under $1,000+
Also GDDR5 is based on DDR3, they aren't that different.
None of this takes in to account the unified memory architecture, high bandwidth speed, the lack of need of high performance CPU for gaming purposes, the need for low power, quiet performance in the living room.
Today's CPUs are basically inconsequential to gaming- it's all about the bottleneck between memory and GPU. This is true on PCs and Consoles, further more the CPU overhead is simply much less on a console.
PS, Xbox, Wii simply do not need the latest in greatest in CPU, what they need is the latest and greatest in low power (cool/cheap), parallelism and memory bandwidth.
Unified memory has been shipping on PCs for years and years and years when you use integrated graphics, there's nothing special there. The specific design in the PS4 has been shipping for 2 years now under AMD's Fusion brand, also called an "APU". Again, not something new for the PS4. Off the shelf PC parts here, just like the original Xbox.
The high bandwidth speed isn't actually that high. It's exactly what you'd expect from a 7850. The higher end video cards have 264GB/s memory bandwidth - and they don't have to share that with the CPU. Not that CPUs actually need much, but whatever.
And no, the CPU is not inconsequential, that's complete horseshit. 4 of the 8 cores are inconsequential and will spend the vast majority of their time completely unused, but the CPU can absolutely be a bottleneck. It's easier to get the CPU to be "fast enough", definitely, the problem is that by all accounts Jaguar is not positioned to be the "fast enough" CPU. Is it faster than Cell? Almost certainly. But that's a pretty low bar, because Cell rather sucked at being a CPU even when it was new.
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The xbox 360 doesn't have an 8800, it has a custom ATI GPU that's halfway between an X1800 and HD 2000 (more similar to the X1800, but with some things like unified shaders from the R600).
The 8800 GTX utterly decimates both the "RSX" in the PS3 and the "Xenos" in the 360.
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And if you want that AMD has been selling CPU/GPU combinations that do just that under the Fusion brand for 2 years now.
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Price. It will probably cost $500. A similarly equipped Windows PC would be $1,000+
No, no it would not. Jaguar isn't actually out yet, but it's replacing Bobcat so let's take a look at the cost of that. I can get a top of the line Bobcat CPU with 4GB of RAM *in a laptop* for $350 - that's $350 for the complete laptop. Now, granted, it doesn't have the same video card. But if we look at the 1.8 TFLOP number Sony provided, we see that lines up with about the Radeon 7770 - that costs $100. Remove the laptop stuff you don't need (battery, screen, etc...) and add the video card and as a desktop unit you'd probably be looking at about $300-400. In fact you can buy a desktop with 3ghz A-10 APU and 8GB of RAM which will *destroy* the PS4 on the CPU front for $550.
In other words, the random $1,000+ you pulled out your ass is completely made up and has no basis whatsoever in reality. And if the PS4 is priced at $500, that would be a ripoff.
Uh, what PS4 architecture? It's just a PC with a gaming-focused OS this generation, nothing more. And it's running a very low powered CPU - Jaguar is AMD's new lowest end part, designed for low power netbooks and such. AMD is positioning it against the Intel Atom - it's that slow.
If you think the US is a communist country your dictionary is clearly bad and you should feel bad.
I also use a "non-american dictionary", specifically the Oxford English Dictionary, and according to the "real" definitions of democracy, republic, and capitalism, the US is most certainly a democratic-republic with a capitalist economy.
I think the claim is that the lawsuits were started by Steve Jobs, and now Cook is stuck running with it. It would be bad for him to abort a lawsuit that's in flight.
Your 46" TV has a low resolution, and that "high" refresh rate is a complete waste as the input is still only 60hz. Hell, the added overhead of processing results in it being *WORSE* for gaming, not better.
I have no evidence that Google actually does this, but I also have no evidence that they don't. We just don't know and there really isn't any way anyone outside Google can know for sure.
If there's no evidence, how about we don't make shit up? Google has no reason to do that in the first place - financially it doesn't make sense and politically they clearly aren't playing ball as congress keeps trying to nail Google with all sorts of crap. The only possible explanation would be Google feels like being pure evil for the sake of being pure evil. That's completely idiotic, and that shit needs to die on the conspiracy nut forums from whence it originated.
store you're buying from == app developer credit card processor == google checkout
You aren't buying from Google, Google is merely handling the credit card processing. Just like hundreds of thousands of stores offload their credit card processing to 3rd party companies.
Is it stupid? Yes, definitely. But it's doing the same thing the rest of the world does, with the exception of Apple.
Wiping the RAM each boot is a waste of time - nobody does that. I'd rather have the normal scenario be "boot quicker", not "protect me from an unreasonable scenario *if I've already unlocked my bootloader*"
If for some reason you need that extra security unlock the bootloader and replace it with one that wipes the RAM on boot. But you still won't be secure from the guy that just wires into the RAM chips directly and dumps them.
Android's security is top notch, and your claim Google isn't focusing on it is bullshit. With every release it has gotten better than the one before it.
And those permissions you complain about? Yeah, that's something desktop Linux doesn't even have. Android wins that by default. Your attempt to turn a very obvious and straightforward advantage into some sort of negative is ridiculous.
iptables/netfilter doesn't help here in the least, by the way. They are completely pointless here.
Except for the "problem" that Android is open source. Google mandating a BIOS would be a waste of everyone's time because it wouldn't have changed anything.
Also a common hardware platform would be a terrible idea. The competition between SoCs right now is awesome and something sorely missing on PCs.
No, you can put whatever OS you want on a Chromebook assuming, like has always been true, the OS supports the hardware.
Ubuntu being the only one to support it isn't Chromebook's fault. Go yell at to support it, or in the spirit of open source, add it yourself. There's nothing particularly special about Chromebook's BIOS.
Any Linux program runs on Android as well. The problem is when you leave the realm of "Linux program" and start writing *useful* apps which need more than a kernel.
And FYI, there is a *MASSIVE* difference between "runs" and "usable". *None* of your existing GNU/Linux desktop apps will be usable on a smartphone. Not a single one. There are zero existing apps for Ubuntu smartphone. Apps will need to start a new UI basically from scratch.
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https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:merged,n,z
Looks like there is a steady stream of work being done in AOSP to me.
If you think nothing happens in AOSP it's simply because you've never looked and you've accepted someone else's FUD at face value.
Also it's not about control, it's about actually getting shit done. The recent Wayland vs. Mir thing is a perfect example. Wayland was a good thing, but nobody is adopting it because the community is refusing to give up the old broken X11 for something better. And even still, Wayland has been in development for 5 years now - it's the same age as Android.
You can't take pictures with your camera while it is USB mode. Which is the problem. Your phone shouldn't suddenly become a brick just because you plugged it into a computer like your camera does.
There is a very real technical problem with USB mass storage. This was explained by Android engineers before as well.
Google is currently the *ONLY* company that is standing up to this kind of abuse. Find anyone else, *ANYONE*, that reports these sorts of numbers. They all comply with them, but only Google is willing to talk about it. And only Google has worked to be able to talk about them in the first place.
>The specific design in the PS4 has been shipping for 2 years now under AMD's Fusion brand, also called an "APU".
Source?
Really? You couldn't type "amd apu" into Google? Or Bing? Or whatever other search engine you want?
What? I don't even. Are you forgetting what we are talking about? I'm just going to guess you aren't a game developer, or hardware engineer.
I don't actually know what you are disagreeing with...
Ah, yes, my mistake. So you're talking a $180 video card.
GDDR5 is based off of DDR3, they aren't that different. Also a big [CITATION NEEDED] on the "more expensive" claim. A GTX 650 with 1GB of GDDR5 is $110. A GTX 650 with 2GB of GDDR5 is a whopping $120. $10 for 1GB of GDDR5 isn't exactly what I'd call "expensive".
No, of course not, but it comes with a keyboard and mouse which is better for playing FPS and RTS games anyway.
The price of the FX-4100 is irrelevant because that's a very different architecture, and Jaguar is also on a process shrink. The motherboard will also be cheaper than because it doesn't have things like PCI-Express. Similarly the GPU will be much cheaper because it doesn't have all the power circuitry, doesn't have a PCB, doesn't have its own RAM, etc... We'll see what the equivalent PC actually costs when Jaguar drops, but we clearly are both in the similar range, and are both *way* under $1,000+
Also GDDR5 is based on DDR3, they aren't that different.
None of this takes in to account the unified memory architecture, high bandwidth speed, the lack of need of high performance CPU for gaming purposes, the need for low power, quiet performance in the living room.
Today's CPUs are basically inconsequential to gaming- it's all about the bottleneck between memory and GPU. This is true on PCs and Consoles, further more the CPU overhead is simply much less on a console.
PS, Xbox, Wii simply do not need the latest in greatest in CPU, what they need is the latest and greatest in low power (cool/cheap), parallelism and memory bandwidth.
Unified memory has been shipping on PCs for years and years and years when you use integrated graphics, there's nothing special there. The specific design in the PS4 has been shipping for 2 years now under AMD's Fusion brand, also called an "APU". Again, not something new for the PS4. Off the shelf PC parts here, just like the original Xbox.
The high bandwidth speed isn't actually that high. It's exactly what you'd expect from a 7850. The higher end video cards have 264GB/s memory bandwidth - and they don't have to share that with the CPU. Not that CPUs actually need much, but whatever.
And no, the CPU is not inconsequential, that's complete horseshit. 4 of the 8 cores are inconsequential and will spend the vast majority of their time completely unused, but the CPU can absolutely be a bottleneck. It's easier to get the CPU to be "fast enough", definitely, the problem is that by all accounts Jaguar is not positioned to be the "fast enough" CPU. Is it faster than Cell? Almost certainly. But that's a pretty low bar, because Cell rather sucked at being a CPU even when it was new.
The xbox 360 doesn't have an 8800, it has a custom ATI GPU that's halfway between an X1800 and HD 2000 (more similar to the X1800, but with some things like unified shaders from the R600).
The 8800 GTX utterly decimates both the "RSX" in the PS3 and the "Xenos" in the 360.
And if you want that AMD has been selling CPU/GPU combinations that do just that under the Fusion brand for 2 years now.
Price. It will probably cost $500. A similarly equipped Windows PC would be $1,000+
No, no it would not. Jaguar isn't actually out yet, but it's replacing Bobcat so let's take a look at the cost of that. I can get a top of the line Bobcat CPU with 4GB of RAM *in a laptop* for $350 - that's $350 for the complete laptop. Now, granted, it doesn't have the same video card. But if we look at the 1.8 TFLOP number Sony provided, we see that lines up with about the Radeon 7770 - that costs $100. Remove the laptop stuff you don't need (battery, screen, etc...) and add the video card and as a desktop unit you'd probably be looking at about $300-400. In fact you can buy a desktop with 3ghz A-10 APU and 8GB of RAM which will *destroy* the PS4 on the CPU front for $550.
In other words, the random $1,000+ you pulled out your ass is completely made up and has no basis whatsoever in reality. And if the PS4 is priced at $500, that would be a ripoff.
Uh, what PS4 architecture? It's just a PC with a gaming-focused OS this generation, nothing more. And it's running a very low powered CPU - Jaguar is AMD's new lowest end part, designed for low power netbooks and such. AMD is positioning it against the Intel Atom - it's that slow.
Same hardware, but does less.
It's a very low end AMD CPU (specifically their low power 10-20w TDP parts) coupled with roughly a Radeon 7770 but in APU form.
If you think the US is a communist country your dictionary is clearly bad and you should feel bad.
I also use a "non-american dictionary", specifically the Oxford English Dictionary, and according to the "real" definitions of democracy, republic, and capitalism, the US is most certainly a democratic-republic with a capitalist economy.
I think the claim is that the lawsuits were started by Steve Jobs, and now Cook is stuck running with it. It would be bad for him to abort a lawsuit that's in flight.
Your 46" TV has a low resolution, and that "high" refresh rate is a complete waste as the input is still only 60hz. Hell, the added overhead of processing results in it being *WORSE* for gaming, not better.
I have no evidence that Google actually does this, but I also have no evidence that they don't. We just don't know and there really isn't any way anyone outside Google can know for sure.
If there's no evidence, how about we don't make shit up? Google has no reason to do that in the first place - financially it doesn't make sense and politically they clearly aren't playing ball as congress keeps trying to nail Google with all sorts of crap. The only possible explanation would be Google feels like being pure evil for the sake of being pure evil. That's completely idiotic, and that shit needs to die on the conspiracy nut forums from whence it originated.
Except your analogy is off by one. In this case:
store you're buying from == app developer
credit card processor == google checkout
You aren't buying from Google, Google is merely handling the credit card processing. Just like hundreds of thousands of stores offload their credit card processing to 3rd party companies.
Is it stupid? Yes, definitely. But it's doing the same thing the rest of the world does, with the exception of Apple.
and voluntarily pipes all of it to various 3 letter agencies in the U.S
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Google only hands over data when legally required to and documents complied requests publicly: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/
And FYI, every web server logs every request you make - that's web server admin 101.
Wiping the RAM each boot is a waste of time - nobody does that. I'd rather have the normal scenario be "boot quicker", not "protect me from an unreasonable scenario *if I've already unlocked my bootloader*"
If for some reason you need that extra security unlock the bootloader and replace it with one that wipes the RAM on boot. But you still won't be secure from the guy that just wires into the RAM chips directly and dumps them.
Android's security is top notch, and your claim Google isn't focusing on it is bullshit. With every release it has gotten better than the one before it.
And those permissions you complain about? Yeah, that's something desktop Linux doesn't even have. Android wins that by default. Your attempt to turn a very obvious and straightforward advantage into some sort of negative is ridiculous.
iptables/netfilter doesn't help here in the least, by the way. They are completely pointless here.
Except for the "problem" that Android is open source. Google mandating a BIOS would be a waste of everyone's time because it wouldn't have changed anything.
Also a common hardware platform would be a terrible idea. The competition between SoCs right now is awesome and something sorely missing on PCs.
No, you can put whatever OS you want on a Chromebook assuming, like has always been true, the OS supports the hardware.
Ubuntu being the only one to support it isn't Chromebook's fault. Go yell at to support it, or in the spirit of open source, add it yourself. There's nothing particularly special about Chromebook's BIOS.
Well, I guess that's not entirely true. The special thing is that it uses Coreboot and U-Boot - both of which are *OPEN SOURCE PROJECTS* ( http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot respectively).
Any Linux program runs on Android as well. The problem is when you leave the realm of "Linux program" and start writing *useful* apps which need more than a kernel.
And FYI, there is a *MASSIVE* difference between "runs" and "usable". *None* of your existing GNU/Linux desktop apps will be usable on a smartphone. Not a single one. There are zero existing apps for Ubuntu smartphone. Apps will need to start a new UI basically from scratch.