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Tim Cook Never Wanted To Sue Samsung
colinneagle writes "While Steve Jobs' ire in regards to Android is well known, a recent report from Reuters relays that current Apple CEO Tim Cook never wanted to sue Samsung in the first place. 'Tim Cook, Jobs' successor as Apple chief executive, was opposed to suing Samsung in the first place, according to people with knowledge of the matter, largely because of that company's critical role as a supplier of components for the iPhone and the iPad. Apple bought some $8 billion worth of parts from Samsung last year, analysts estimate.' In various earnings conference calls, Tim Cook has repeated that he hates litigation, but has still toed the party line by exclaiming that Apple welcomes innovators but doesn't like when other companies rip off their intellectual property."
Yea right!
Sorry, this excuse just doesn't fly with me. If the company he's supposed to be in charge of is doing things like suing competitors without his permission or knowledge, then he's a failure as a CEO.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
That's what they all say.
"Apple welcomes innovators but doesn't like when other companies rip off their intellectual property"
Okay, put your money where your mouth is. Remove the notification shade from iOS. You ripped it off wholesale from Android.
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Yet he is at the helm of the ship when mostly all the lawsuits from apple against Samsung started. He is just trying to save face in all the Bad PR apple has gotten over last couple years.
Just gonna repeat what everyone else is saying. This is ridiculous.
Apple is getting a lot of negative press on their current legal activities. Their pattents are being eroded. Details of their cases are being foiled in courts around the globe. That billion-dollar judgement will not stand and it is simply unimaginable that the jury verdict will stand in light of the jury misconduct which definitely happened. The numerous cases brought and initially won using doctored/edited visuals for evidence is simply dirty.
And the idea that the CEO didn't want to do this? Explain to me what a CEO does again?
Apple is losing a lot more than cases and patent claims. They are losing their customers. I know, people will cite last years figures and reports to claim they are a reflection of today's and tomorrow's popularity figures. I just don't see it. Everywhere I look, the use of iPhone is decreasing. That's not to say people using Android are excited fans or anything. They're not. The excitement over touchscreen smartphones and fart-apps is over. Now it's about practical matters which matter to people; Cost, Apps, Usability, Restrictions and other considerations.
Brand recognition is important to consumers for some reason. Apple's brand is being diminished. It is having an affect.
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-I'm just sayin'
Ray Noorda was willing to say "bad idea" when Novell bought out the UNIX rights from AT&T and stopped/settled the BSD/AT&T lawsuit once he became "in charge" over it.
Thusly Mr. Cook is trying to BS ya all.
I think anyone with a modicum of insight into the history of apple and the tech world in general is fully aware that Herr Jobs was nothing but a capitalist CAUC. My friend's post on G+ sums it up nicely... https://plus.google.com/110294227533168060832/posts/hwQWSWkNLYT
The Sabre Pyramid. By this time next year, everyone will have one.
"Jobs's" is perfectly (if not more) valid.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Looks more like a triangle. Of course, taking occlusion into account, it may well be a tetrahedron.
These lawsuits were started before Cook was CEO -- the point is that he basically inherited lawsuits that Jobs started.
And while it's tempting to follow up with "he should just drop all the lawsuits," it's not that easy -- aside from spooking the public and investors, an exit from legal action wouldn't guarantee that others would do the same. Samsung has at least made some grandstanding that it will never, ever settle. That could just be talk, but Samsung isn't exactly known for its humility or compassion toward competitors.
So basically what you are saying is that they are in the same position SCO was in, and so they have no choice but to keep up at it until someone sets up another Groklaw.com and they spend all their money and go out of business?
I'm getting a little tired of these non-Apple articles when daily I see great technology come out of other electronics companies...Which is after all what Apple is now. Timmy has a major problem, Apple is not prepared for the new norm. Apples biggest profit machine the iPhone had Jobs give away the whole smartphone market to Android [for a few years of amazing profits], an OS that is packed though a range of compelling devices, in different shapes; price ranges, specifications [ranging from joypads; e-ink displays; giant displays; waterproof; projectors;....]; Apple does have 4S and 4 [lower margins] as a product range...which cannibalised the iphone 5 [killing their profit margins] as people wanted the brand more than the device, Steve Jobs wanted to have the market to himself and his...not Little Timmy's response to this was litigation, but lets be fair its not like Timmy has another solution. For completeness the ipod is vanishing [being replace by android phones], they have pretty much walked away from OS X [20% drop is sales], and the iPads dominance has already come to an end [its market share dropped last quarter below 20%]...and will never be as profitable as the iphone.
Apple shares are in freefall falling from $705 a share to $450 and deservedly so. It is no longer the largest company in the world by market cap. Innovation in the form of an iWatch or an iTv is not going to save Apple we are already seeing Smart devices in both these categories. Apple needed to do the boring things like have a phone that people could buy [In China and Brazil]...an iPhone nano [and mini]*years ago*, the same way it needed an iPad mini years ago. It needs do interesting things on its current platforms...Apple could have reinvented the PC market...Microsoft have made a mess with Surface, and its Chromebooks getting all the good press. Hell the needed to spend that cash pile before buying hell Dell would have been fun or twitter or Nintendo, Hell I was thinking Attack Microsoft with an Office suite and hell License their OS [oooh Google did that already]...buy steam Anything.
There has been *NO* real news from Apple. Lets talk about companies that are relevant; and innovate with new exciting devices...not iterations of old ones.
Even the styling of their signature products has been directly copied from other company's work from the 70s.
....they copied Sony http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2012/07/27/apple-prototypes-show-iphone-inspired-by-sony-and-kickstand-ipad/index.html
Oct 2011 - Dec 2011, sold 37 mil iphones.
Oct 2012 - Dec 2012, sold 48 mil iphones.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130214005415/en/Android-iOS-Combinid
Compared to Androids
Oct 2011 - Dec 2011, sold 85 mil smartphones.
Oct 2012 - Dec 2012, sold 160 mil smartphones.
Thats ignoring Apple are now selling more lower marking 4* Phones Apples market share.
From the statement "iOS posted yet another quarter and year of double-digit growth with strong demand for the iPhone. But what also stands out is how iOS's year-over-year growth has slowed compared to the overall market." your right its better than losing all there customers...not good though.
are you LITERALLY retarded?
...I think anyone you uses the words *retarded* [or adds tard to the end of a real world like Gonadtard] should be instantly blocked.
Anyone who used the literally in fucking capitals no less, should be traced and their computer smashed into little tiny pieces and then fed to them.
Someone who combines these atrocities...I can only assume they are going to build another ring of hell.
Their margins remain the highest in the industry.
The smartphone industry has been growing 16% per year globally and Apple has been growing faster.
In the United States Apple has crushed Android and now is approaching the point of establishing a monopoly.
How exactly is their brand being diminished?
No Apple has been growing slower than the industry...in fact its shrinking compared to the market. In fact even in the US Android phones are more common than iPhones. I personally would argue that their brand is diminished because its getting harder to justify the massive mark-ups on re-badged foxconn phones.
Just like I believe Oscar Pistorius "accidentally" shot his wife four times!
For those unwilling/too lazy to do the math:
Not counting alternate smartphone OS's like blackberry, windows, symbian, etc...
The last quarter of 2011 Apple had 30% of the market
last quarter of 2012 it had slipped to 23%.
This is despite selling 30% more phones. Androids jumped 88%.
That sort of growth in a year is insane. I don't think even the computer revolution ever matched those numbers.
I don't read AC A human right
When the conflict gets to litigation, everyone except the lawyers lose.
No! No! No! there is often a winner, sometimes a very lucrative winner, the lawyers only get a small portion of the spoils, I'm don't care if lawyers are good or bad people, but pretending mega-corperation are victims to this occupation is a not credible. The truth is Apple won big against Samsung to the tune of 1 Billion Dollars [that goes to Apple], unfortunately *money* even if its a Billion Dollars is useless to Apple ...it doesn't know what to do with its $140Billion in cash it has doesn't know what to do with. It wanted a ban on Samsung products, so it products could continue without competition.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013#.UR7MG5G3PGg
You figures are not even close to being right. The link is the same as the other one I provided only its direct from IDC, but it includes a nice graph showing the various OS and how big their market share. Apple is a little confusing as its market share is feast/fast as their product launches have a huge effect on their sales. Next quarter Apple are not going to sell anything close to 48Million Phones, and their market share in that quarter will dive. Averaging out the peaks and troughs. Its not gaining market share because it is growing *the same* as the market.
The figures your looking for is the market grew 46% in 2012. Apples market share was 18.8% in 2011...and is still 18.8% in 2012 because it sold only 46% more phones...the same as what the market grew.
Its easier to see what is happing when averaging over a year. The reality is the big launch was the turning point, and everyone knew it. Its why its market share have dropped 35% since then. :)
http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/2/comScore_Reports_December_2012_U.S._Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share I'm sorry why are you posting figures tha agree with me, as though they don't its a little eerie. From the article "Google Android ranked as the top smartphone platform with 53.4 percent market share (up 0.9 percentage points)"
I have fond memories of sweet Susie Samsung.
Read the tech news.
Since Job died, Apple has been aggressively pushing this lawsuit, other scam lawsuits, and filing more, and more, junk patents.
This is a PR piece that is so lame that only an Apple zealot would buy it. Of course, and Apple zealot will buy anything from Apple, even this nonsense.
Your claim was that Apple was growing more slowly than the industry in the USA.
No it wasn't to quote myself. "No Apple has been growing slower than the industry...in fact its shrinking compared to the market. In fact even in the US Android phones are more common than iPhones."
The market is a *worldwide* market...notice the little *even* that is because I'm talking about something different :). That is the magic of English. For your benefit.
The US[and to a lesser extent the UK] is slightly different from the rest of the world which is why I separated it out, because customers pay for their phones by it being bundled into a long contract. Like a hire purchase agreement...only with the real value of the phone hidden from you. The bottom line is as you quoted "in the US Android phones are more common than iPhones" is still an empirical fact, that is because Android performs every quarter not just launch quarters :)...Do you know Android has grown faster than Apple, because it was launched later while having a larger market share. Do I have to go through all ComScore figures and do a time series analysis...or do you understand that fairly simple conclusion. If it hurts your brain think of it like cutting a pie, With Android being the big piece...and Apple being the teeny tiny piece.
Every $80 smartphone they are selling they lose the sale of a $80 feature phone.
Ok sorry for ignoring your post. It was better when I reread it. The reality is if you argue that the smartphone market is simply the *phone* market as dumbphones are replaced by smartphones. The your right Apple are still growing market share of that pie. Its a weird way of looking at it.
So lets have a look at some current figures for that. http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2335616 Now here is the thing..conversion rate Android grew 20% to 70% while iOS lost 2% to 20%. It shows how Apples expansion is slowing, While Android is exploding.
Now your saying they don't matter because they are $80 phones...the average selling price is $150, are you really saying Apple cannot produce a profitable phone at $150...or even one at $80. The reality is Apple have priced themselves out of the world market...and its hurting them, and market share matters.
And Hitler said that he never meant to draw the United States into the war, too.
"Come on Charlie Brown, kick the football, I'll hold it this time..."
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Blame your predecessor
> Apple didn't patent rounded corners. Apple has a _design patent_ for a design consisting of many items, one of them rounded corners.
The reason people say that is because that patent, as applied in the Samsung litigation, was asserted against designs that bore no similarity to their design patent *except for rounded corners.* Thus, people use that slur because Apple threw everything against the wall to see what would stick, even though the rounded corners were all that was copied.
They got their finding of infringement because this was the same jury that awarded damages for something they had listed as non-infringing. Yes, that was one of the few jury mistakes the judge corrected, I know. That doesn't make me feel any better about the absurd verdict, but I see little chance of it being changed until the appeals play out.
Actually, no, we know that you never compared the phones claimed to infringe against the design patents. Otherwise, you'd know how Samsung went through the list of design features (and there weren't many in those minimalist designs), pointing out several cases where the registered design bore so little resemblance to the allegedly infringing phone as to be absurd. Because they accused several phones of infringing on those designs when the *only* similarities were things like beveled edges and rounded rectangle shapes.
I would have thought this obvious to anyone who actually read the trial transcripts instead of trotting out that tired Apple mantra in response. There's not much to "look into" with those design patents. They're little more than pictures of the claimed design and the lawyers had to go through each feature of each design (rounded corners, beveled edges, etc.) and compare each thing to each allegedly infringing phone at trial.
You did know that... right?
This is all Bullshit.
Apple has a *long* history of litigation against companies that imitate Apple's products but also those that develop patents which tenuously infringe on Apple's own patents. They are a pack of ravenous dogs who can't stand one bit of competition.
I really hope Samsung continues to screw Apple into the ground. The arrogance and false superiority of Apple and its products is sickening.
Jobs was an arrogant prick and a fascist pig. He was so off his head he would throw temper tantrums in board meetings during the early days of Apple's existence. It got so bad that John Sculley asked Jobs to leave Apple for good in 1985 because his presence was so disruptive.
When he returned back in 1997 nothing changed - he was still the same arrogant prick he was years before only this time he could throw his entire weight around.
I have to laugh when the ass-licking media claimed that Jobs should be put in the same class as Da Vinci. Give me a fucking break! The man was an arrogant businessman who screwed people over and didn't design a damn thing! His Nazi-style management and sadistic leadership has lead to an explosion in frivolous technology and the dumbing down of common sense.
Shove that rounded rectangle where the sun don't shine.
Next we'll be hearing that Bill Gates is a nice guy? He didn't really mean to do all those abuses? Besides, now that he is giving money away, he should be forgiven for his abusiveness?