That's not something you can pin on the daily stormer, no matter how much you try.
Not any more because their website is down lol. Anyways it is very clear to me that you are a morally bankrupt hypocrite that is bending every way possible to try to justify his racist and viewpoints without coming out and actually saying it, so I am going to stop discussing this with you. Have a good life, which from your ass backwards antiquated views I assume is coming toward its end a lot sooner than mine.
The government has made no effort whatsoever to limit the warrant to actual evidence of any particular crime
They haven't even named any suspects or particular crimes related to the website. Would you like to take back your comments now?
Their only claim to fame, has been publishing something that was tasteless and hurt peoples feelings.
If you can't see that both websites are doing the exact same fucking thing, goading and organizing people to violent protest, then you are beyond willfully ignorant, or you haven't actually visited the site and are just going by what you imagine it to be in your head.
But wait... weren't you just defending nazis right to free speech and telling me that saying you were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it? Whoops.
To be clear, I'm going to be 100% morally consistent (unlike you) in my viewpoint because I don't think that the visitors to the Daily Stormer should be given up, just that their website be taken down. Same thing here, if the site was used to incite criminal activity it should be taken down.
Farmers will fight for a while though. They already own all the land and infrastructure for traditional farming and they won't let go of an entire industry that easily. There will be government subsidies, pleas to help the american farmer, lobbying to try to get lab-grown meat classified as "meat substitute" or something.
Just like vegetarian sausages are cheaper than 'proper' sausages in the supermarket today. Oh, wait...
Not sure if you are confused or what, but vegetarian sausages (Field Roast, Tofurky, etc) are cheaper than 'proper' sausages, unless you find something on sale. Go and check.
First off, I don't know who the fuck you are because you post AC, so I can't separate your comments from the dozens of other cowards on here. I'm just going to respond in general. If your first thought in this discussion, as many have posted here and what started this whole thread, is, "yeah but what about left-wing extremists?" you are deflecting from the discussion. This article is not about left-wing extremists. If you are deflecting away from the discussion of these nazi extremists, then you are defending them. If you are not defending them then just stfu for a bit.
Oh no, muh statues! History will surely mark this as one of the greatest atrocities of all time, tearing down statues of traitors to the country that were only erected 50+ years after the war as a not-so-subtle message to black people during the Jim Crow era. I think we'll be just fine.
Also, section 230 was NOT part of the CDA, moron. That was added by the House of Represenatatives AFTER THE FACT.
Lol you literally just read the first sentence on wikipedia didn't you? Do you not know how laws are passed in the US? It was added in conference which means that it was part of the negotiations between house and senate, but then the full bill went back to both houses and was approved. It was still part of the final bill that was signed by the president in 1996. Anyway, thanks for proving me right I guess? Section 230 is still in effect. You are really sure of yourself for someone that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
Did I say that we should believe accusations without evidence? Pretty sure I never fucking said that and the whole idea is completely orthogonal to what we are talking about. I am so tired of nonsense AC strawman arguments.
Ok and Timothy McVeigh killed 170, injured 700. What do you have the compares to that? I don't even give a flying shit about numbers anyway, I am not defending any of the groups you listed. If they committed violence then I denounce them. I am just fucking flabbergasted that you, and so many other people here, are defending literal nazis. I am not afraid to denounce left-wing terrorists, but you apparently cannot denounce actual, self-proclaimed nazis. What the fuck is wrong with you?
What was lies exactly? Here I will copy paste right-wing terrorist attacks from the last year that I wrote on another comment:
I saw the news when Jeremy Joseph Christian stabbed two people on a train saying he was a patriot. I saw when Alexandre Bissonnette killed six people in a mosque. And when Dylann Roof killed nine people in a church while they were praying. When James Harris Jackson killed a black man on the street because he was afraid that interracial relationships were destroying the white race. When Adam Purinton killed two Indian men in a bar because he mistook them for Iranians. Just fuck right off if you really think that violence is all on the side of the left.
The "antifa" idiots have done far more damage than right-wingers in the last 7 months. Take a look at Berkeley when Milo was going to speak, for instance. Did anyone talk about taking down their servers because of violence?
How many people have antifa killed? And how many have right-wing terrorists killed? Okay, now tell me more about servers and cancelled lectures.
Am I? I saw the news when Jeremy Joseph Christian stabbed two people on a train saying he was a patriot. I saw when Alexandre Bissonnette killed six people in a mosque. And when Dylann Roof killed nine people in a church while they were praying. When James Harris Jackson killed a black man on the street because he was afraid that interracial relationships were destroying the white race. When Adam Purinton killed two Indian men in a bar because he mistook them for Iranians. Just fuck right off if you really think that violence is all on the side of the left.
I am aware. Are you aware that those bombings were almost entirely without casualties? One right-wing terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, killed 20x more people than all those bombings combined. Having said that, what do the 1970s have to do with what is happening here, today? This is a whole different generation, with different groups and different motivations.
I am not arguing that there was no left wing terrorism, but in the modern context your statement is either vacuous or incorrect. The violence you are talking about was a generation ago, entirely different groups with different causes in a different political landscape. If you want to count 40 years back, we could include Timothy McVeigh on the right-wing side and he alone would outweigh all the deaths on the left. But I don't because, again, that was a different political climate.
Today, you are just being ignorant or stubborn if you honestly believe that there is more violence from the left than the right. I am not saying there is no violence, so don't throw that straw man at me, but to claim that the left is equal to the right (let alone vastly outweighs as you say) is just wrong.
Yeah yeah, slippery slope, blah blah, but what you don't seem to get is that there is no slippery slope here. No one is saying censor anything that is racist. They are saying censor these particular nazis. It is illegal to be a nazi, express nazi views or use nazi iconography in Germany and they seem to be doing fucking fantastic with that policy. It is really okay to not give nazis a platform, I promise.
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That's not something you can pin on the daily stormer, no matter how much you try.
Not any more because their website is down lol. Anyways it is very clear to me that you are a morally bankrupt hypocrite that is bending every way possible to try to justify his racist and viewpoints without coming out and actually saying it, so I am going to stop discussing this with you. Have a good life, which from your ass backwards antiquated views I assume is coming toward its end a lot sooner than mine.
The government has made no effort whatsoever to limit the warrant to actual evidence of any particular crime
They haven't even named any suspects or particular crimes related to the website. Would you like to take back your comments now?
Their only claim to fame, has been publishing something that was tasteless and hurt peoples feelings.
If you can't see that both websites are doing the exact same fucking thing, goading and organizing people to violent protest, then you are beyond willfully ignorant, or you haven't actually visited the site and are just going by what you imagine it to be in your head.
But wait... weren't you just defending nazis right to free speech and telling me that saying you were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it? Whoops.
To be clear, I'm going to be 100% morally consistent (unlike you) in my viewpoint because I don't think that the visitors to the Daily Stormer should be given up, just that their website be taken down. Same thing here, if the site was used to incite criminal activity it should be taken down.
Strange, it seems I've been transported back to 1933, where citizens are rallying and cheering the destruction of statues.
I prefer to think of it more like after the war when the winning side tore down all the nazi statues. Seems like a more apt comparison.
Farmers will fight for a while though. They already own all the land and infrastructure for traditional farming and they won't let go of an entire industry that easily. There will be government subsidies, pleas to help the american farmer, lobbying to try to get lab-grown meat classified as "meat substitute" or something.
people are a bit more "progress friendly"
Not for a while. Have you read any Slashdot recently?
Just like vegetarian sausages are cheaper than 'proper' sausages in the supermarket today. Oh, wait...
Not sure if you are confused or what, but vegetarian sausages (Field Roast, Tofurky, etc) are cheaper than 'proper' sausages, unless you find something on sale. Go and check.
Ok, and for the 99% of people eating McDonalds hamburgers that don't care about any of that lab-grown meat can be a viable option.
First off, I don't know who the fuck you are because you post AC, so I can't separate your comments from the dozens of other cowards on here. I'm just going to respond in general. If your first thought in this discussion, as many have posted here and what started this whole thread, is, "yeah but what about left-wing extremists?" you are deflecting from the discussion. This article is not about left-wing extremists. If you are deflecting away from the discussion of these nazi extremists, then you are defending them. If you are not defending them then just stfu for a bit.
He shouted, "that's what liberalism gets you" as he stabbed a guy in the neck.
Oh no, muh statues! History will surely mark this as one of the greatest atrocities of all time, tearing down statues of traitors to the country that were only erected 50+ years after the war as a not-so-subtle message to black people during the Jim Crow era. I think we'll be just fine.
If there were nazis that marched but didn't actually commit any violence, should they be denounced?
Yes. Because they are FUCKING NAZIS.
I agree. I am simply responding to the poster who tried to deflect from the original point by saying that violence all comes from the left.
Also, section 230 was NOT part of the CDA, moron. That was added by the House of Represenatatives AFTER THE FACT.
Lol you literally just read the first sentence on wikipedia didn't you? Do you not know how laws are passed in the US? It was added in conference which means that it was part of the negotiations between house and senate, but then the full bill went back to both houses and was approved. It was still part of the final bill that was signed by the president in 1996. Anyway, thanks for proving me right I guess? Section 230 is still in effect. You are really sure of yourself for someone that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
I don't give a fuuuuuuck because I am not defending Stalin or Mao. You are defending nazis, which is the whole point here.
Did I say that we should believe accusations without evidence? Pretty sure I never fucking said that and the whole idea is completely orthogonal to what we are talking about. I am so tired of nonsense AC strawman arguments.
Ok and Timothy McVeigh killed 170, injured 700. What do you have the compares to that? I don't even give a flying shit about numbers anyway, I am not defending any of the groups you listed. If they committed violence then I denounce them. I am just fucking flabbergasted that you, and so many other people here, are defending literal nazis. I am not afraid to denounce left-wing terrorists, but you apparently cannot denounce actual, self-proclaimed nazis. What the fuck is wrong with you?
What was lies exactly? Here I will copy paste right-wing terrorist attacks from the last year that I wrote on another comment:
I saw the news when Jeremy Joseph Christian stabbed two people on a train saying he was a patriot. I saw when Alexandre Bissonnette killed six people in a mosque. And when Dylann Roof killed nine people in a church while they were praying. When James Harris Jackson killed a black man on the street because he was afraid that interracial relationships were destroying the white race. When Adam Purinton killed two Indian men in a bar because he mistook them for Iranians. Just fuck right off if you really think that violence is all on the side of the left.
The "antifa" idiots have done far more damage than right-wingers in the last 7 months. Take a look at Berkeley when Milo was going to speak, for instance. Did anyone talk about taking down their servers because of violence?
How many people have antifa killed? And how many have right-wing terrorists killed? Okay, now tell me more about servers and cancelled lectures.
Am I? I saw the news when Jeremy Joseph Christian stabbed two people on a train saying he was a patriot. I saw when Alexandre Bissonnette killed six people in a mosque. And when Dylann Roof killed nine people in a church while they were praying. When James Harris Jackson killed a black man on the street because he was afraid that interracial relationships were destroying the white race. When Adam Purinton killed two Indian men in a bar because he mistook them for Iranians. Just fuck right off if you really think that violence is all on the side of the left.
I am aware. Are you aware that those bombings were almost entirely without casualties? One right-wing terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, killed 20x more people than all those bombings combined. Having said that, what do the 1970s have to do with what is happening here, today? This is a whole different generation, with different groups and different motivations.
I am not arguing that there was no left wing terrorism, but in the modern context your statement is either vacuous or incorrect. The violence you are talking about was a generation ago, entirely different groups with different causes in a different political landscape. If you want to count 40 years back, we could include Timothy McVeigh on the right-wing side and he alone would outweigh all the deaths on the left. But I don't because, again, that was a different political climate.
Today, you are just being ignorant or stubborn if you honestly believe that there is more violence from the left than the right. I am not saying there is no violence, so don't throw that straw man at me, but to claim that the left is equal to the right (let alone vastly outweighs as you say) is just wrong.
They only struck down part of it, and not the part (section 230) that matters here. Nice try though, as you put it, "you fucking moron."
Hilarious, it is left wing racists that have murdered far more people in the last 40 years, destroyed property, glorify living like a savage.
Do you just have a feeling that should be true because it fits neatly into your world view or do you have any type of evidence?
Yeah yeah, slippery slope, blah blah, but what you don't seem to get is that there is no slippery slope here. No one is saying censor anything that is racist. They are saying censor these particular nazis. It is illegal to be a nazi, express nazi views or use nazi iconography in Germany and they seem to be doing fucking fantastic with that policy. It is really okay to not give nazis a platform, I promise.