When you're getting something for free, [vendors] get a lot of "get out of jail free" cards.
Exactly how does this differ from Microsoft's EULA which basically says, if you use this, it's your fault. MS telling people that they have some responsiblity for anything is kind of humorous in a sick way.
A democratic republic, or a republican democracy. Care to get more picky?
It is a "republican form of government". It is many things, but democracy it is not. It is what is is and it is not what it is not.
The problem is many laws do force actions. Taxes are one such example. You MUST pay them.
No, you don't. You could move to a place that doesn't have taxes.
I'm trying hard to understand what the difference is between this and the "go back to Africa" argument against racism. If you don't like it, you can leave is a little hostile. Especially in a country where laws can and will change.
Good for you. Other people weren't quite so lucky. It's important to remember the main reason Social Security exists is because your daughter's children will be able to work to pay 33% of their income so that a person who is 80 who cannot work will still be alive.
The problem is that my daughter will have to pay 60% of her income not to keep someone alive but to provide income for someone who had their entire life to prepare for retirement. Keeping alive has nothing whatsoever to do with this conversation. BTW - when I'm 80, I do not want any of my granddaughter's money, and I'll make damn sure she isn't supporting me. That's my responsibility as an adult and as a citizen.
I find it hilarious that I'm discussing morality with someone who's saying that a law that establishes a society that believes that old people should never have to die in the stree
Please quote where I said it's ok for old people to die in the street. That is quite a strech and that style of argument only works in documentaries. What is unjust about the trend with social security is that we are protecting a failing pyramid scheme (it's base is to narrow and there are too many downlines in it) when there are better alternatives for a nation with a shrinking birthrate... Never mind, what was I thinking, since it worked in 1930 it's perfect for 2030.
"If Colorado is a swing state, pay less attention to it. If Colorado is not a swing state, pay more attention to it."
Is being a "swing state" the basis for having a voice or is being a state with voters in it the basis for having a voice? The idea here is to amplify the will of the state (of say Ohio or Colorado). Winner takes all is a fantastic way to ensure that say, Florida's will was heard loud and clear. We really don't have national elections in the US. The only federal jobs you get to directly vote for are Senators and US Reps.
What an idiotic statement this guy's making. He's neglecting the fundamental facet of "government" - governments exist to provide order.
Governments exist for many reasons. Order is one of many reasons. Some of these reasons conflict with one another.
We gain order by sacrificing some of our freedoms. Democracy guarantees that the freedoms we give up are the freedoms that the majority want to give up,
We live in a republic, not a democracy. Our government has a constitution and judicial system that protect the rights of the minority against the tyrany of the majority (at least most of the time). It takes an extrodinary majority over a long period of time to change the constitution - if you will an extraordinary consensus.
The government cannot be immoral if the people are free to choose the order to gain the freedoms. In other words, it's only immoral if they can't leave the country.
Immorality != Ability of me to leave if I don't like it.
A government that is immoral, generally does cause citizens to leave. But it does not have to.
No one is forcing people to remain in the US.
Is your cure for racism the same a social security? If you don't like it then leave. How... fair of you.
To call this stealing is moronic. By that logic, all taxation is stealing, and is sinful.
What Williams was refering to is the redistribution of wealth where the governement plays robin hood and takes from the rich and gives to the poor. Read the "takes from the" part. Being rich or successful is not a crime, and justice does not require anything be done about it. Robin Hood is a great fictional character, but the real thing is no where near as benevelent as it taxes the poor, too. And it taxes them heavily and often.
How is social security any different than a publicly funded fire department?
Because the fire department isn't going to be taking 33% out of young families pockets and giving the money to someone who had a lifetime to prepare for retirement. Try being just out of college, two kids and a wife to feed and having a tax rate of say 40% net -- or 60% net which is where things are trending if SS isn't fixed. (oh, wait... 40% is what we pay here in the US when you include state, federal, local, sales and excise taxes). Holy empty piggy-bank batman.
Most people never see the benefits of a fire department.
Laws that don't force actions upon people can't be sinful, because you can always choose to not do said actions.
The problem is many laws do force actions. Taxes are one such example. You MUST pay them. They are not sinful (by Chrisitian definition.. can't speak for the Muslims, Jews, Bhudists and C'thulu worshippers out there).
And you're not forced to pay into Social Security. You can still leave the country. But that's the price of living in the US with the rest of us.
I hope this changes before my kids grow up because it is unjust to expect my daughter's kids to pay 33% of their income to pay me some kind of saftey net payment. I will have had a lifetime to set myself up for retirement.
It can't be stealing if you agreed to it. And since you can leave, you did agree.
I'm sure Dr. King would appreciate this logic being applied to racism in the 60's... Oh wait... it was by people that told him and the honorable men and women who fought for equality with him to go back to Africa.
I'm only 32 BTW, so I hardly grew with tubes. But then again, I don't know may people who'd describe electric guitars distorted through tube amps as "warm, soothing".
Ever notice that tube amps are priced as follows:
Can't see glowing tube, bunch o' knobs = cheap. Glowing tube visible, less knobs = midrange. One knob, one old skool switch, glowing tube = mondo expensive?
And a tube amp is about as high tech as a brick...
Colodrado is a clear Rebublican state. In 2000 Bush got 51% to Gore's 43%. In 1996 Dole won by a slim margin. Because of this the bill won't pass.
Actually, who controls the statehouse and the state legislature matters. This is exactly the kind of thing that states try to do when the presidential vote breaks opposite of local and state elections. It's tremedously shortsited and marginalizes the value of Colorado to candidates. Why do I care if I get 4 delegates and the opposition gets 5? Even in a close election... one elector isn't going to make that much difference.
It basically makes Colorado's vote totally and completely meaningless. Because candidates don't care how you vote, it will dilute the value of your vote and would have a dramatic effect long term on the number of pork barrel projects (read military and overengineered highway) that make it back to your state.
O'Neil's report is nothing new at all. Social Security is and always has been a grand pyramid scheme that worked because America's population grew fast enough that enought people came in at the next level lowerer on the scheme and enough people died off of the top. People live longer and don't reproduce as much - so the pyramid begins to collapse.
The best solution may end up being Bush's "ownership society" where we transition from a cashflow scam to personal investment programs. The problem with this, and it is a very big problem is that there is little risk to a healthy chashflow scam and investments are by definition risky. The other problem is that the money would not be 100% under government control and congress could not use the money when other sources of revenues dry up as it uses Social Security today.
At the end of the day, this issue is of critical importance as I really don't look forward to watching my parents generation financially crush my daughter's generation under the weight of some social contract. Taxes suck. So do governments, but ours is much better than the alternative.
Gentoo's installation process is not bad if you have six hours (three to install, three to fix if you have a hardware issue). For those who are looking for a distro that at least gets the fonts right try Mepis.
Note that the superscript "th", which seems to be causing the most tinfoil-hat theorizing among the folks who think modern typography was invented by Bill Gates, doesn't line up at all between the memo and the Word version. Give it up, folks.
This document was clearly NOT created in the early 70's. Once again, a political shill has been ratted out. Here's a way to NOT help your candidate: forge a document and claim it's authentic. Now it's the republican shills turn to do something stupid.
While I agree with the assertion that these could be retyped
They could also be fake. These documents are not reliable. The real scandal here is the reporter that accepted without question. Additionally, In my military career, not once did I see a plain white sheet of paper used in any official capacity.
No one will really notice until Mozilla browsers have 20%+ of the market. Then MS will announce that the next version of IE will:
* do all the stuff mozilla does * works with dot net better * never gets dull, and can slice a tomato perfectly after trimming 4" off your car's muffler * is a free download * but wait... there's more (tm) ms will throw in MR. Paperclip browsing buddie at no cost to you.
Actually, having Ingress become OSS is great. Sure, it isn't what it once was, but it still is a very powerful RDBMS. It's also already enterprise grade, so there's now one more options for FOSS development. Seriously: let's call the cup half full for a change.
Aslo - when we have a free shot at an CEO, let's start aksing questioins that they can answer. Why one DB over another isn't a good questioin. What do you see the impact of Ingress being open source on the DBMS market is a good questioin. CEOs are generalists, not specialists. CA did this for a very specific reason, and it may actually be a good thing...
Labour force is a very limited resource, so with outsourcing those low-grade jobs, you have more people who can concentrate on doing the more profitable (ie. higher added value) jobs.
Not everyone wants to be a sales person or a manager. If there are no "low-grade" (read: entry level and junior) jobs, no one gets the experience to become a manager.
A lot of the urge to outsource comes from the unnaturally high price of software anyway. If 42% of a firms IT spend wasn't on software licenses... great things could happen. Monpolies suck - and there's no shortage of monopolies in the software business real and artificial.
No schools DON'T buy single copies of programs, but you can be damned sure they aren't gonna do something stupid such as purchasing site licenses for a suite that doesn't get used there. They get site licenses for word only pal.
tekwiz - I'm not sure you are exactly the athority on this. For example in my state, Indiana University, Ball State, Notre Dame and Purdue all have either campus wide licenses or at least per CPU licenses. MS makes sure buying Office is a compelling value over buying word (i.e Word is $120, Office is 150). In some cases it's simply $X for the whole campus. At IU, students can even download and install office off the university's server.
As far as the backwards law school that doesn't install Excel or PowerPoint on their PCs... One wonders if they are still requiring memos on india ink handwritten with a fether quill. The use of spreadsheets for the analysis of numeric evidense and powerpoint for presenting graphic evidence or presenting a legal position to the board of directors I would think is a skill that attorneys should have. Not all lawyering is done in court.
You may want to tone your posts down here on slashdot as there are some really smart people who have a lot of experience. Calling peoples post BS and referring to people as "pal" is a good way to get modded down quickly.
Not by a long shot. Both Lotus WordPro and WordPerfect have features, stability and ease of use on their side. Both have superior layout control. Both are better at complex text flow. Both are better at generating indexes and the like. Unfortunately, Word is bundled with Excel and Access, two products that are very, very good. Access less so than excel, which offers several features that kick the teeth of the competition in like PivotTables and Solver.
free speech is about limiting governments control of speech
Actually, one of the roles of government is to help ensure that other citizens don't trample your rights. This is no less a free speech issue than preventing theft is a property rights issue.
What's really interesting about all this SCO nonsense is that thier case seems to share a philosophy I see often on/. concerning intellectual property:
1) An overbroad definition of derivative works and an understanding that I build part A. You build parts B, C, and D on part A. All your parts are belong to us, thank you for playing.
2) Somehow that I worked on your code in the pase prevents me from creating new simmilar code in the future. If you do create it, I own it.
All of these ideas are flawed in that they assume that intellectual property is like a rental property where all your improvements belong to the landlord.
Why is it that if an article is slightly against Kerry it is modded down and articles referring to Bush as "chimp" and his advisors as "goebbels" are modded highly? I thought name calling was usually flamebait or at the least a troll. Regardless, the tone of this discussion and the soundbite level of understanding most posters have is dissappointing. If people would only try to understand government with the passion they approach picking out their favorite text editor or scripting language.
Bush's actions with respect to Iraq are troubling. Kerry's actions surrounding his service in Viet Nam and possibly his actual service is questionable. Even worse, some of the promises from both campaigns are totally unkeepable. If you think hate for the president is what has kept our allies on the sideline and that changing leaders will suddenly bring France and Germany and NATO into Iraq, you will be dissappointed. Nothing happens between nations without a price. If you believe that the economy is all better, believe me, when the fed raises interest rates and people can't unlock the equity in their homes so easily... we are in for trouble.
Regardless, it's nice to see people who feel such passion about firing the president. It's too bad that both Bush and Kerry do not represent what is best in America. In fact, both of them appear to be self-serving egomaniacs who are interested in wielding power for power's sake. That is a national tradgedy, and using DCMA to supress the opposition is exactly the kind of tactic I'd expect from both of them - and we can expect more of the same if either is elected.
Apple and Microsoft have had and always will have two different visions:
Apple is about creating the most useful computer possible. Apple's forays into software always have been to create the tools they need to achieve this goal.
Microsoft is about selling the most needed software to hardware manufacturers, large corporations, and end users in that order.
I've always respected Apple for sticking to what they do well. Remember, back in the early-mid 90s, NeXT started to be a better apple... then quit the hardware business and tried to become and OS vendor. It was a miserable failure and was eventually folded into Apple.
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When you're getting something for free, [vendors] get a lot of "get out of jail free" cards.
Exactly how does this differ from Microsoft's EULA which basically says, if you use this, it's your fault. MS telling people that they have some responsiblity for anything is kind of humorous in a sick way.
A democratic republic, or a republican democracy. Care to get more picky?
It is a "republican form of government". It is many things, but democracy it is not. It is what is is and it is not what it is not.
The problem is many laws do force actions. Taxes are one such example. You MUST pay them.
No, you don't. You could move to a place that doesn't have taxes.
I'm trying hard to understand what the difference is between this and the "go back to Africa" argument against racism. If you don't like it, you can leave is a little hostile. Especially in a country where laws can and will change.
Good for you. Other people weren't quite so lucky. It's important to remember the main reason Social Security exists is because your daughter's children will be able to work to pay 33% of their income so that a person who is 80 who cannot work will still be alive.
The problem is that my daughter will have to pay 60% of her income not to keep someone alive but to provide income for someone who had their entire life to prepare for retirement. Keeping alive has nothing whatsoever to do with this conversation. BTW - when I'm 80, I do not want any of my granddaughter's money, and I'll make damn sure she isn't supporting me. That's my responsibility as an adult and as a citizen.
I find it hilarious that I'm discussing morality with someone who's saying that a law that establishes a society that believes that old people should never have to die in the stree
Please quote where I said it's ok for old people to die in the street. That is quite a strech and that style of argument only works in documentaries. What is unjust about the trend with social security is that we are protecting a failing pyramid scheme (it's base is to narrow and there are too many downlines in it) when there are better alternatives for a nation with a shrinking birthrate... Never mind, what was I thinking, since it worked in 1930 it's perfect for 2030.
"If Colorado is a swing state, pay less attention to it. If Colorado is not a swing state, pay more attention to it."
Is being a "swing state" the basis for having a voice or is being a state with voters in it the basis for having a voice? The idea here is to amplify the will of the state (of say Ohio or Colorado). Winner takes all is a fantastic way to ensure that say, Florida's will was heard loud and clear. We really don't have national elections in the US. The only federal jobs you get to directly vote for are Senators and US Reps.
build your own tube
Ok.. well then... you go make your own op amp and we'll call it even.
What an idiotic statement this guy's making. He's neglecting the fundamental facet of "government" - governments exist to provide order.
Governments exist for many reasons. Order is one of many reasons. Some of these reasons conflict with one another.
We gain order by sacrificing some of our freedoms. Democracy guarantees that the freedoms we give up are the freedoms that the majority want to give up,
We live in a republic, not a democracy. Our government has a constitution and judicial system that protect the rights of the minority against the tyrany of the majority (at least most of the time). It takes an extrodinary majority over a long period of time to change the constitution - if you will an extraordinary consensus.
The government cannot be immoral if the people are free to choose the order to gain the freedoms. In other words, it's only immoral if they can't leave the country.
Immorality != Ability of me to leave if I don't like it.
A government that is immoral, generally does cause citizens to leave. But it does not have to.
No one is forcing people to remain in the US.
Is your cure for racism the same a social security? If you don't like it then leave. How... fair of you.
To call this stealing is moronic. By that logic, all taxation is stealing, and is sinful.
What Williams was refering to is the redistribution of wealth where the governement plays robin hood and takes from the rich and gives to the poor. Read the "takes from the" part. Being rich or successful is not a crime, and justice does not require anything be done about it. Robin Hood is a great fictional character, but the real thing is no where near as benevelent as it taxes the poor, too. And it taxes them heavily and often.
How is social security any different than a publicly funded fire department?
Because the fire department isn't going to be taking 33% out of young families pockets and giving the money to someone who had a lifetime to prepare for retirement. Try being just out of college, two kids and a wife to feed and having a tax rate of say 40% net -- or 60% net which is where things are trending if SS isn't fixed. (oh, wait... 40% is what we pay here in the US when you include state, federal, local, sales and excise taxes). Holy empty piggy-bank batman.
Most people never see the benefits of a fire department.
Laws that don't force actions upon people can't be sinful, because you can always choose to not do said actions.
The problem is many laws do force actions. Taxes are one such example. You MUST pay them. They are not sinful (by Chrisitian definition.. can't speak for the Muslims, Jews, Bhudists and C'thulu worshippers out there).
And you're not forced to pay into Social Security. You can still leave the country. But that's the price of living in the US with the rest of us.
I hope this changes before my kids grow up because it is unjust to expect my daughter's kids to pay 33% of their income to pay me some kind of saftey net payment. I will have had a lifetime to set myself up for retirement.
It can't be stealing if you agreed to it. And since you can leave, you did agree.
I'm sure Dr. King would appreciate this logic being applied to racism in the 60's... Oh wait... it was by people that told him and the honorable men and women who fought for equality with him to go back to Africa.
I'm only 32 BTW, so I hardly grew with tubes. But then again, I don't know may people who'd describe electric guitars distorted through tube amps as "warm, soothing".
Ever notice that tube amps are priced as follows:
Can't see glowing tube, bunch o' knobs = cheap.
Glowing tube visible, less knobs = midrange.
One knob, one old skool switch, glowing tube = mondo expensive?
And a tube amp is about as high tech as a brick...
Colodrado is a clear Rebublican state. In 2000 Bush got 51% to Gore's 43%. In 1996 Dole won by a slim margin. Because of this the bill won't pass.
Actually, who controls the statehouse and the state legislature matters. This is exactly the kind of thing that states try to do when the presidential vote breaks opposite of local and state elections. It's tremedously shortsited and marginalizes the value of Colorado to candidates. Why do I care if I get 4 delegates and the opposition gets 5? Even in a close election... one elector isn't going to make that much difference.
It basically makes Colorado's vote totally and completely meaningless. Because candidates don't care how you vote, it will dilute the value of your vote and would have a dramatic effect long term on the number of pork barrel projects (read military and overengineered highway) that make it back to your state.
O'Neil's report is nothing new at all. Social Security is and always has been a grand pyramid scheme that worked because America's population grew fast enough that enought people came in at the next level lowerer on the scheme and enough people died off of the top. People live longer and don't reproduce as much - so the pyramid begins to collapse.
The best solution may end up being Bush's "ownership society" where we transition from a cashflow scam to personal investment programs. The problem with this, and it is a very big problem is that there is little risk to a healthy chashflow scam and investments are by definition risky. The other problem is that the money would not be 100% under government control and congress could not use the money when other sources of revenues dry up as it uses Social Security today.
At the end of the day, this issue is of critical importance as I really don't look forward to watching my parents generation financially crush my daughter's generation under the weight of some social contract. Taxes suck. So do governments, but ours is much better than the alternative.
Gentoo's installation process is not bad if you have six hours (three to install, three to fix if you have a hardware issue). For those who are looking for a distro that at least gets the fonts right try Mepis.
Free Sans is pretty good... agreed there is a lot of crap though. I did a print layout with free sans and had our ad agency going ga-ga over the font.
We don't invade N. Korea because:
1. S. Korea
2. Japan
And unlike Saddam, KJI has never invaded his neighbor... although he is comically into melodrama.
Note that the superscript "th", which seems to be causing the most tinfoil-hat theorizing among the folks who think modern typography was invented by Bill Gates, doesn't line up at all between the memo and the Word version. Give it up, folks.
This document was clearly NOT created in the early 70's. Once again, a political shill has been ratted out. Here's a way to NOT help your candidate: forge a document and claim it's authentic. Now it's the republican shills turn to do something stupid.
While I agree with the assertion that these could be retyped
They could also be fake. These documents are not reliable. The real scandal here is the reporter that accepted without question. Additionally, In my military career, not once did I see a plain white sheet of paper used in any official capacity.
No one will really notice until Mozilla browsers have 20%+ of the market. Then MS will announce that the next version of IE will:
* do all the stuff mozilla does
* works with dot net better
* never gets dull, and can slice a tomato perfectly after trimming 4" off your car's muffler
* is a free download
* but wait... there's more (tm) ms will throw in MR. Paperclip browsing buddie at no cost to you.
Actually, having Ingress become OSS is great. Sure, it isn't what it once was, but it still is a very powerful RDBMS. It's also already enterprise grade, so there's now one more options for FOSS development. Seriously: let's call the cup half full for a change.
Aslo - when we have a free shot at an CEO, let's start aksing questioins that they can answer. Why one DB over another isn't a good questioin. What do you see the impact of Ingress being open source on the DBMS market is a good questioin. CEOs are generalists, not specialists. CA did this for a very specific reason, and it may actually be a good thing...
then again we are talking about CA.
Labour force is a very limited resource, so with outsourcing those low-grade jobs, you have more people who can concentrate on doing the more profitable (ie. higher added value) jobs.
Not everyone wants to be a sales person or a manager. If there are no "low-grade" (read: entry level and junior) jobs, no one gets the experience to become a manager.
A lot of the urge to outsource comes from the unnaturally high price of software anyway. If 42% of a firms IT spend wasn't on software licenses... great things could happen. Monpolies suck - and there's no shortage of monopolies in the software business real and artificial.
No schools DON'T buy single copies of programs, but you can be damned sure they aren't gonna do something stupid such as purchasing site licenses for a suite that doesn't get used there. They get site licenses for word only pal.
tekwiz - I'm not sure you are exactly the athority on this. For example in my state, Indiana University, Ball State, Notre Dame and Purdue all have either campus wide licenses or at least per CPU licenses. MS makes sure buying Office is a compelling value over buying word (i.e Word is $120, Office is 150). In some cases it's simply $X for the whole campus. At IU, students can even download and install office off the university's server.
As far as the backwards law school that doesn't install Excel or PowerPoint on their PCs... One wonders if they are still requiring memos on india ink handwritten with a fether quill. The use of spreadsheets for the analysis of numeric evidense and powerpoint for presenting graphic evidence or presenting a legal position to the board of directors I would think is a skill that attorneys should have. Not all lawyering is done in court.
You may want to tone your posts down here on slashdot as there are some really smart people who have a lot of experience. Calling peoples post BS and referring to people as "pal" is a good way to get modded down quickly.
Use bold text all you want but your plain wrong
Who can argue with logic like that? I surrender.
...Word is the best product in its class.
Not by a long shot. Both Lotus WordPro and WordPerfect have features, stability and ease of use on their side. Both have superior layout control. Both are better at complex text flow. Both are better at generating indexes and the like. Unfortunately, Word is bundled with Excel and Access, two products that are very, very good. Access less so than excel, which offers several features that kick the teeth of the competition in like PivotTables and Solver.
free speech is about limiting governments control of speech
Actually, one of the roles of government is to help ensure that other citizens don't trample your rights. This is no less a free speech issue than preventing theft is a property rights issue.
What's really interesting about all this SCO nonsense is that thier case seems to share a philosophy I see often on /. concerning intellectual property:
1) An overbroad definition of derivative works and an understanding that I build part A. You build parts B, C, and D on part A. All your parts are belong to us, thank you for playing.
2) Somehow that I worked on your code in the pase prevents me from creating new simmilar code in the future. If you do create it, I own it.
All of these ideas are flawed in that they assume that intellectual property is like a rental property where all your improvements belong to the landlord.
Eeek - you are right. I dug up reciept for the PC and it was 1987.
Karma kill session begins now:
Why is it that if an article is slightly against Kerry it is modded down and articles referring to Bush as "chimp" and his advisors as "goebbels" are modded highly? I thought name calling was usually flamebait or at the least a troll. Regardless, the tone of this discussion and the soundbite level of understanding most posters have is dissappointing. If people would only try to understand government with the passion they approach picking out their favorite text editor or scripting language.
Bush's actions with respect to Iraq are troubling. Kerry's actions surrounding his service in Viet Nam and possibly his actual service is questionable. Even worse, some of the promises from both campaigns are totally unkeepable. If you think hate for the president is what has kept our allies on the sideline and that changing leaders will suddenly bring France and Germany and NATO into Iraq, you will be dissappointed. Nothing happens between nations without a price. If you believe that the economy is all better, believe me, when the fed raises interest rates and people can't unlock the equity in their homes so easily... we are in for trouble.
Regardless, it's nice to see people who feel such passion about firing the president. It's too bad that both Bush and Kerry do not represent what is best in America. In fact, both of them appear to be self-serving egomaniacs who are interested in wielding power for power's sake. That is a national tradgedy, and using DCMA to supress the opposition is exactly the kind of tactic I'd expect from both of them - and we can expect more of the same if either is elected.
Apple and Microsoft have had and always will have two different visions:
Apple is about creating the most useful computer possible. Apple's forays into software always have been to create the tools they need to achieve this goal.
Microsoft is about selling the most needed software to hardware manufacturers, large corporations, and end users in that order.
I've always respected Apple for sticking to what they do well. Remember, back in the early-mid 90s, NeXT started to be a better apple... then quit the hardware business and tried to become and OS vendor. It was a miserable failure and was eventually folded into Apple.
And a 1984 EGA display, at 640x350, is just barely inferior to a Mac in resolution, and delivered sixteen colors.
My really cool ATI EGA Wonder could do 800x600x16 in 1984. Required a $1200 NEC Multisync monitor, though.