"My original comment to shamowfski was promoted by his dogmatic 'Consoles do not outshine PC's', and I think that, to the point that we can compare specs of the new consoles to PC's, the consoles are going to come out on top."
But so few of the spec can be compared. The processors are not comparable to whats in a Mac or Pseries machine for instance, and a totally different arch then most peoples X86 machines. The few things do compare IMO are mundane things like the HDD, or Ethernet ports.
Mostly I'm annoyed people try to compare consoles, based on inflated specs (66 trillion unshaded, aliased, 1 pixel triangles per second). Usually they just seem to sit there and quote the specs as if that grants some automatic authority to the ignorance they are spewing.
Glad to see someone who at least knows what they are talking about. I don't know if I agree (see above) but I understand your point.
While it probably should have been rated AO for violence. I cant see how an M rating could possibly ever be thought of as appropriate for children.
From the ESRB site: "Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language."
I think "May contain intense violence" fits the description of Manhunt. I think it's a problem that AO and M seem to have an area where they overlap or it's a tough call what one fits the game. After all God of War in rated M and is about IMO as violent as Manhunt, just it uses a fantasy setting instead of the sort of real world environment of Manhunt.
AMC Theaters in the US regularly shows films to the staff days before they officially start showing. This happens after closure one or two night a week. I know this from personal experience from the Columbus, Ohio ones. They even let employees bring someone.
Hate much? Let me guess the Xbox was your first console?
MS Live is not the first on-line gameplay system ever. It has existed since the days of the SNES. I will give MS points for trying to make it so users have a good experiance and IMO they have done a good job.
PX2 had a HDD (not standard, but Xbox came out late in the generation) and only lost it with the re-design (I bet an external one will pop up some time). I hardly call it a MS innovation, but again MS did a prety good job with it and gave users features they wanted. I like the ability to replace a game soundtrack, I just wish I could do it to all games. MS did not create the non exclusive game market, it has eben around for decades! back when the first consoles existed (atari/coleco generation) plenty of games were non exclusive, same for every generation since. I cant offer MS any praise like in the above examples because I dont see where they have improved anything in that area.
IMO the gamecube, hardware wise, is as innovative as the Xbox (progressive scan support and such). I dont see MS as the leader here as both companies were developing the consoles for several years. Either they both copied each other or they independantly developed the features. IMO they both looked at the DC, how PS2 hype killed it and then looked at the market to get cues as to what would be needed to compete with the PS2. They each have their own take on what that was and developed system that fit what they saw.
On-line gaming has been around for consoles since the SNES. MS did not invent(or is that innovate) a new concept hat has never been on consoles before.
I will say they did provide the best implementation and are the most sucessful (says a lot about on-line console gameing IMO). In the next generation we will have All 3 providing better (or initial) on-line support.
It is my opinion that we are likely to see about the same percentage uptake/use of on-line services unless someone has a major breakthru is removal of asshats.
"Instead, Nintendo decides to get into the MP3 player "small size owns" craze. They develop the GB Micro. That's great and all, but who wants to buy a Game Boy when one can get the DS which is better and is backwards compatible? Doesn't make sense to me."
I wont call you an idiot like the other posters to this thread, but you seem to be unaware of one small fact.
The DS is backwards compatable only with GBA games. The GBA line (GBA, SP, and Micro) are compatable back to the original GB. So for people who have been playing handheld games for the last 15 years the GBA line lets them continue to use the library they have.
Computeing power does this, however these consoles are not using the latest processor tech. Otherwise they would end up costing $5000 - $1000 (just for the processors). Even purchasing the latest chips in bulk by the millions will not yeld a price point low enought for a $300 console.
No shame in cozying up to the kiddie crowd. I think thats just a reality that disaffected cool teens will have to accept if they want access to the kind of graphical and gameplay orgasms that is Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, etc.
That reminds me of a LAN party I hosted once where someone was playing an FPS (first person shooter) and had the FPS (framed per second) display on. At one point in a loading screen (all black) it went up to 1K FPS. We all joked about the uber performance of his system.
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"My original comment to shamowfski was promoted by his dogmatic 'Consoles do not outshine PC's', and I think that, to the point that we can compare specs of the new consoles to PC's, the consoles are going to come out on top."
But so few of the spec can be compared. The processors are not comparable to whats in a Mac or Pseries machine for instance, and a totally different arch then most peoples X86 machines. The few things do compare IMO are mundane things like the HDD, or Ethernet ports.
Mostly I'm annoyed people try to compare consoles, based on inflated specs (66 trillion unshaded, aliased, 1 pixel triangles per second). Usually they just seem to sit there and quote the specs as if that grants some automatic authority to the ignorance they are spewing.
Glad to see someone who at least knows what they are talking about. I don't know if I agree (see above) but I understand your point.
While it probably should have been rated AO for violence. I cant see how an M rating could possibly ever be thought of as appropriate for children.
From the ESRB site:
"Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language."
I think "May contain intense violence" fits the description of Manhunt.
I think it's a problem that AO and M seem to have an area where they overlap or it's a tough call what one fits the game.
After all God of War in rated M and is about IMO as violent as Manhunt, just it uses a fantasy setting instead of the sort of real world environment of Manhunt.
Too late!
AS someone who is overweight (I'm working on it!) I chose an apropriate costume for my size/shape. That of the mighty Hoffmanite, Buck Godot.
Sounds like it's time for Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler to join the film industry.
As long as you stay away from the secret formula for Krabby Patties you will be ok.
AMC Theaters in the US regularly shows films to the staff days before they officially start showing. This happens after closure one or two night a week. I know this from personal experience from the Columbus, Ohio ones. They even let employees bring someone.
Then I challange you to explain it in a neaningful way and show how it means anything useful about the real world performance of the console.
Then how can you be so out of the loop about console tech?
Get a copy of Crash and use utilities on the PC to rip the music.
Your dreaming. Most tings a person can buy (no matter the market) do 90 days if you are lucky.
"I've completely beaten each level in Katamari Damacy with good scores and yet still play it even at the slightest excuse."
Have you managed to pick up all the countries on the planet during the credits?
"Right now a lot of the speculation is based on pure hardware specs, which the Revolution is sorely lacking in. "
I know you have a bias, but please explain how a machine with specs comprable to the XB360 is sorely lacking?
Do you even have a clue what the specs mean? I mean the real specs, not the BS specs(Gflops for instance).
Hate much?
Let me guess the Xbox was your first console?
MS Live is not the first on-line gameplay system ever. It has existed since the days of the SNES.
I will give MS points for trying to make it so users have a good experiance and IMO they have done a good job.
PX2 had a HDD (not standard, but Xbox came out late in the generation) and only lost it with the re-design (I bet an external one will pop up some time). I hardly call it a MS innovation, but again MS did a prety good job with it and gave users features they wanted. I like the ability to replace a game soundtrack, I just wish I could do it to all games.
MS did not create the non exclusive game market, it has eben around for decades! back when the first consoles existed (atari/coleco generation) plenty of games were non exclusive, same for every generation since. I cant offer MS any praise like in the above examples because I dont see where they have improved anything in that area.
IMO the gamecube, hardware wise, is as innovative as the Xbox (progressive scan support and such). I dont see MS as the leader here as both companies were developing the consoles for several years. Either they both copied each other or they independantly developed the features. IMO they both looked at the DC, how PS2 hype killed it and then looked at the market to get cues as to what would be needed to compete with the PS2. They each have their own take on what that was and developed system that fit what they saw.
On-line gaming has been around for consoles since the SNES. MS did not invent(or is that innovate) a new concept hat has never been on consoles before.
I will say they did provide the best implementation and are the most sucessful (says a lot about on-line console gameing IMO). In the next generation we will have All 3 providing better (or initial) on-line support.
It is my opinion that we are likely to see about the same percentage uptake/use of on-line services unless someone has a major breakthru is removal of asshats.
"It could just be that I'm a 10 year old trapped in a 30 year old body though."
If thats the case there seem to be millions of us.
I know when the time comes I'm going to be all up in SONY's face aboutthe PS9 commercials. If it aint all that I'm gonna sue ;-)
"Instead, Nintendo decides to get into the MP3 player "small size owns" craze. They develop the GB Micro. That's great and all, but who wants to buy a Game Boy when one can get the DS which is better and is backwards compatible? Doesn't make sense to me."
I wont call you an idiot like the other posters to this thread, but you seem to be unaware of one small fact.
The DS is backwards compatable only with GBA games. The GBA line (GBA, SP, and Micro) are compatable back to the original GB. So for people who have been playing handheld games for the last 15 years the GBA line lets them continue to use the library they have.
Computeing power does this, however these consoles are not using the latest processor tech. Otherwise they would end up costing $5000 - $1000 (just for the processors). Even purchasing the latest chips in bulk by the millions will not yeld a price point low enought for a $300 console.
Strangely enough the Gamecube has games for EVERYONE. Kids, adults, teens.. It is a well balanced system.
You mean the middle of the heap.
Maybe Despair can release a poster for them. Seeing as they have disaffected collage students and disaffected middle schoolers covered.
That reminds me of a LAN party I hosted once where someone was playing an FPS (first person shooter) and had the FPS (framed per second) display on. At one point in a loading screen (all black) it went up to 1K FPS. We all joked about the uber performance of his system.
Anyone thinking they are getting $1500 in CPUs for $300 is dreaming. These machine will not have full-on PPC970 class processors.