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'Sith' Already Found Online
ScentCone writes "Of course it was bound to happen, so now it's mostly a matter of discussing why Lucas does or does not deserve to make the proceeds, or whether people would or would not have gone to see it now that the usual path has been carved around the opening weekend box office." I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens, but somehow this is still news. It's still usually worth shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
I saw it at 12:05am. The downloadable version is probably very crappy quality, especially the sound. See it in theaters - simply amazing! You don't get that kind of experience from a computer.
Actual damages from bittorrent have to be very small. Most people simply don't even know what bittorrent is. I know what it is, but I've only used it to grab large demos/obviously free stuff. I have better things to do with my time than wander through various video files in various states of compression (almost all lossy).
They are just being greedy for the small amount of money they might be losing. The lawyers likely take far more than that amount. The path to transhumanism won't require much money anyway. And that is what counts.
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What did you expect, really?
until it's been posted to alt.binaries.
But from the number of people I've heard are downloading it, it seems pretty popular -- I wonder if the MPAA is watching them...
I've found lots of Shit online before. Oh, wait...
The source is a VHS, and there is a huge timer on the top of the screen. Go see it at the theater.
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I thought the story would be from the lava-still-hot dept?
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(...)a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
After reading the script, I'd say the movie itself is fuzzy with garbled writing.
Sadly, since I don't use BitTorrent with much success and instead rely on eMule/aMule, what copies I get will likely take two weeks to finish downloading and be in Spanish with German subtitles. Oddly, this will probably be easier to follow anyhow.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Lets mod this story +1 Obvious Sir, would you like that in English or Spanish ?
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Because I spent money to see Episode I twice, the second simply because I thought I blacked out and missed the plot, but upon another viewing realized that no, it was just a crappy movie. I will not give Lucas another cent until I get to see a good movie made by him for free.
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I'd say it's news for the same reason that the other half-dozen or so Star Wars related stories which have made the mainstream press - because lots of people are interested, and Lucas has damn good publicists. A few thousands or tens of thousands of downloads won't make much of a dent in the takings, and stories like this all help to create the buzz.
This is sort of offtopic, but:
My younger sister has never seen any of the movies, but she's aware of a lot of the mythology and stuff. And she was trying to quote the scene where Luke first discovers Leia's recorded message on R2D2, and my sister looked at me very seriously and said, "Help me Yoda, I'm in trouble." That's a true story. Dumb story, but true.
"show me all the blueprint show me all the blueprint show me all the blueprints"
Just like "take our Star Wars quiz!" and "was Darth Vader born evil?" [also CNN content] are news? The site has been posting Star Wars crap all week as a marketing blitz for the premiere.
This isn't news, it's thinly veiled marketing.
"It's still usually shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though."
It takes some skills to convey the idea and at the same time avoid using the word "worth".
The kind of people that would watch a crappy version on their computers are NOT the people who would pay $9 to see it in the theatre. Will this affect anything? No.
It seems to me just like the MPAA pumping the press to make it look like a huge deal. It's not.
'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.' -HST
It seems that, in a few years and in hindisght, and whatever you think of the film, there'll be good geek points for having seen it at the cinema, and sad geek points for having watched it from the download. Downloaded movies are passe :)
I have yet to understand why anyone would rather watch a movie on their computer screen when it's available in the theaters. If it's worth 2 hours of your life, it's worth a few bucks too. The only time I understand downloadable movies is when they're only available on DVD, because then you're watching it on a smaller screen/worse sound system either way.
It's still usually shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
Yes, yes it certainly is worth.
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The copy that's on the web (yes, I know where it is, no I won't tell you) is a direct copy from a work print. Thus, it's not a "crummy handheld in a theater". So it's more than likely that Lucas is going to be really peeved about this.
Considering that it has the time-code on the bottom, I'd imagine it's uniquely coded so that Lucas knows exactly who leaked it.
And no, I haven't downloaded it, although my eleven year old will probably try and "whine" his way into it.
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"BitTorrent file-sharing network -- a new and increasingly popular technology that allows users to download large video files much more quickly than in the past."
if I remember correctly bittorrent was created in 2000 or 2001 which to me is not that new.
Well, I doubt G. Lucas will loose major cash over this. Espcially when people find out the torrent is only 772.89 MB. I garuntee that ain't a great copy.
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You'd think you'd pick something less peculiar, and more silent when stealth matters..
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Anyone else find it ironic this is right above a story entitled "Canadian Music Swappers Win Court Battle"?
This not only isn't news (as most people already knew about it), if anyone on here has done any searching they would probably figure out that it isn't a cam rip either. It's one of the review screeners. Not that I've downloaded it (was tempted). I actually want to go out and see this on the big screen and get the full effect of all the people around me as well. Some movies, yeah, you download. Others, nothing is going to replace the experience of being around a mass amount of other people sharing the same experience.
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Its actually a finished (or nearly so) workprint of the movie. The picture quality is really good, much better than the usual early releases. As is the sound. I just dont have the money to see it until payday, so I thought I'd enjoy it asap first. I WILL definately see it in the theater though, as should everyone else who downloads it.
On a FARK thread here
Just the fact that Star Wars: ROTS was only found after somebody (presumably) recorded it inside a theatre means that they've done something right.
... and I'll be seeing two more times this weekend. That being said, I'm downloading the torrent right now so I can just drop in and watch it when I want till I buy the DVD.
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perhaps this isn't the forum for dissing star wars, but can we be honest for a moment. the first movie, circa 1977 was one the greatest films of all time. a true masterpiece. the later two were really good as well. now, the prequels, or whatever they're called, are all about comptuer wizardry and natalie portman's tits. okay, i don't mind that, but the stories kinda blow. the acting is lame, and without the effects, what have you got? nah, i'll take the first three, of course i'm old enough to have seen the original in a theatre when it originally came out.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
Anyone who would settle for the generally poor quality of bootleg movies probably in not a big spender on theaters to begin with.
Seriously. Somebody showed me the bootleg of Hitchiker's Guide the other day, and I was really sorry I saw it that way. I wasn't planning to see it, but I ended up enjoying it immensely; the only problem was that the low quality of the rip was a big distraction.
But come on, a movie like Star Wars was made to be seen on the big screen, and most of the public knows that.
The key word is "less", as your isp would have no troubles tracking you, and reporting you to the 'piracy agency' as they are required to.
Once this becomes law of course.. Its not a requirment to report. Yet.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I take my girlfriend out for a quick dinner, see a movie and usually afterwards meet up with some friends for a coffee (they may or may not also come to se the movie)
And the best part is we leave the baby with her grandparents.
WHO HOOOO! A NIGHT OFF!
why Lucas does or does not deserve to make the proceeds
Let me be the first to say that I think Lucus should make a cut of the proceeds from P2P downloads. In fact, I'll send him 10% of what I paid to download it on BitTorrent. What's your address, George?
I never could see the big deal here. Those who want to see a movie will. Those who don't may download it or just ignore it altogetehr.
The last time I remember downloading a movie prior to watching it was Finding Nemo. My son wanted to see it, so I downloaded it, watched it to make sure it was appropriate.
I then took him to the theater to see it - twice, and eventually bought the DVD.
Did the movie studios lose any money by my actions? No.
Is watching on a 17" or 19" monitor even close to "the movie experience"? No.
Now if they'd only release Revelations in the theatre.
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I don't blame the MPAA one bit for going after thieves for distributing a pre-release copy.
I don't know which is funnier:
I'm tired of both sides taking absolutely ridiculous, unsupportable positions...
Please help metamoderate.
"I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens, but somehow this is still news."
Well, for the love of god, stop treating it like news.
Post something else. Shess.
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It will do better for an online version. This point of view is well supported by research on music downloads.
An few fans will watch this first, I mean this is the LAST TIME EVER you will see a Start Wars you haven't seen before at the cinema - no tru fan will watch this first ( especially not with that time code on it ) but fans will download it and watch it to get all the dialogue.
Fans will also buy the DVD and the Merch - honestly this will just feed the fever - and it got headlines on all four British news Channels that it was available online.
Thats a lot of free advertising. A good Torrenting is a lot of free publicity.
I saw Star Wars 9 times at the cinema - I believe I will see the Sith many times.
I believe all the films will be reappraised to be one of the finest myths of our time - it will speak to us down the generations and in future times. But it speaks of now, of liberty and individual responsibilty, it speaks of Sacrificing Democracy to a well set up plot, it opposes the Army of the Federation, it is a History of the loss of power of the American Citizen the worlds finest democray to it presenent day plutocracy and federal dictatorship. Its art is that of Orwell and if I believe it will rebalance the force.
Where you can appreciate that while it doesn't utterly suck like the previous two movies, lucas's dialog is still extra craptacular when spouted by a 12 foot head of Hayden Christianson...
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Are Lucas arts loosing out on my cash? Hell no, I'm going to watch it at the cinema, the film, story wise, might suck but the action is pretty sweet (I'm assuming, watched Ep II twice at cinema because of this). Sure I'll watch it at home with this rip.
And when the dvd comes out, I'll buy it, it has starwars in the title, sounds stupid but there you go.
So what have they lost? I know what I've lost, atleast £30, I have the orginals on VHS, they cost me £30, now I'll have to shell out more for the new remastered DVD's, no exchange scheme, nothing.
Lucas Arts owe me.
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...Copyright law is just fine the way it is, no need to shorten the terms. Even if we went back to 14 years plus 14 year extension this would still be a violation. This fight over copyright hasn't been about the terms of copyright, it's always been about the specific right of distribution granted to intellectual property owners. People want to be distributors without being granted a license and this is wrong under any reasonable copyright law.
Hey, sit down I can't see the screen!
Tell that to state tax authorities. They often get 1/32 or less of certain taxes (like "use taxes"). Life is unfair...deal with it. Move on.
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This may end up being the most profitable opening night in history, but i bet you they will still bitch that a few people downloaded a copy that STILL went to the show.
Some go BEACUSE they saw it on a download first. They dont want to waste money watching a bad show.
But then again, thats their plan, make you pay up with no chance of a refund even if the movie is terrible. With no chance of a 'preview'.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
"That was pretty good. I didn't see the last two, maybe I should actually go see this one."
Our whole company was treated to a screening of ROTS this morning. My boss, who doesn't watch television and later admittidely never saw a Star Wars movie prior to today, asked us after it was over, "So do you think they'll make movies about those two twin babies now?" I still have not stopped laughing.
Damn!
I left for Japan on Wednesday and now I don't get to see it until I get back (in two weeks). If I wanted to download it, I would... but frankly, and I think many people will agree with me on this point, I don't want to see it until I can see it in its full glory. Seeing it compressed and trashed and tiny isn't the way to see it the first time.
Now if I enjoyed it, I might download it and keep it until the DVD is released... then I'll buy he DVD when it comes out.
I wish the jackasses at the MPAA would just figure it out too.
There are certain movies I deem that have to be watched in theaters. Of course, Star Wars is one of them. Maybe people are downloading this to say they have a bootleg of the last Star Wars. Then 50 years from now, the story will propagate in that the person had the original bootleg. Other than that, might as well wait ~6 months for the DVD.
I wear thick glasses (-14), I dont drive, I dont go to a theater, I watch tv and movies on one of my laptops, because I can keep the screen close to my eyes. I've been wearing glasses since I was 6 (now I am 53)
Because my eyes are bad, according to MPAA I am supposed to wait for months (or years) until the DVD comes out. Why? Sure I will download the bootleg. I am doing nothing wrong, when the dvd comes out, I will buy it.
They should offer downloads for visually impaired the moment the movie is out in the theaters. For Star Wars, I would pay twice the price of a movie ticket, even if the download were copy protected.
Slashdot Citizen! Do not oppose the Group Think that P2P is used for 'TEST DRIVING' content, and that EVERYONE buys what they download! And that if Hollywood/MPAA only produced better stuff, we'd...buy...more of...
Wait...I thought we said we bought everything we downloaded?
Aaaaaaa! [head implodes]
Please help metamoderate.
Of course, after seeing it on the big screen I've got noproblem with going and downloading it to watch it again (although I've sheepishly got ot admit that I've seen it in the cinema twice - once at the midnight screening (which we Aussies got before the U.S. - go time zones!) and once with my partner.)
I really loved the movie, and definitely think it was worth it - a truly memorable conclusion to the Star Wars saga.
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It's interesting and telling that this needs to be "discussed".
but since we already know what happens in Sith, how do we explain this one?
I think I'll wait a month till the lines die down and see it in all it's glory at the Cinerama here in Seattle.
Although I could be conviced to see it in IMAX - think of it, a three-story tall light saber duel!
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If your sad enough to have an urge to see this version then your such a star wars fan your going to see the movie 10 times and then buy all the crap. If you watched it because you had noting else to do and now you think its crap - you probably wouldnt have had anyone to go see it with anyway...
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the dvd iso from visa ;)
the vcd from mobsters
and sg18 just propered the workprint
there's also a fix for the visa one available on [bt]
IRC has it... efnet and others...
the torrent networks are getting hammered at the moment, the download speeds are quite impressive at the moment
and of course usenet...
so it's spreading like wildfire...
The person who wrote this story obviously doesn't know dick about leaks considering MOST happen weeks before the official release date.
This was leaked YESTERDAY. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.
Nothing special here, folks.
Episode 2? Now that was worthy of a story considering a SCREENER was leaked about a month in advance before the movie was out.
In this case, a workprint released opening night. Wow.
If anything, it shows the MPAA is getting tighter on this shit.. which means we'll have to work on better ways to get it into our hands before release day.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
In the UK I could not go on the Internet for 3 weeks because it tool that long to get here.
Without the Threat of Downloads we would still be eating shitty scratchy prints weeks late in the UK.
All to save a few thou on prints on a Billion Dollar BoX Office - Civil Disobedience is necessary.
Downloads wont dent it for them at all - they'll probably sell more tickets as folks just have to see it on the screen and only waverers will watch it at home and then when they are blown away they'll go buy tickets to get THX.
Plus they did a good job - the D/L's seems all shit not lioke the BEautiful MATRIX torrent whcih totally helped sell that movie
The path to transhumanism won't require much money anyway.
Just a little combat damage, a galactic Republic-cum-Empire, and the unlimited resources of same to transform you into a Jedi cyborg from heck.
Since George Lucas is a megalomaniac who likes to rewrite his movies years after release, I won't be seeing it in theatres. Seattle has one of the best theatres in the country where people dressed up for Star Wars (and lots of other movies, including LotR), but that still didn't convince me to go. If I do end up watching it, I'll wait until my family gets the DVD and then go watch it in a quiet, high-quality home theatre. I do miss the atmosphere of the Cinerama (no other theatres compare, which is why I don't go to other theatres anymore), but since this is a George Lucas bastardization, I can't pull myself to go.
I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens, but somehow this is still news. It's still usually worth shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
Then don't post it, idiot. Geez.
You don't have any right to complain if you got suckered in to watch the movie twice.
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Saw it in the theater this morning.
Shheeee-at.
Really pretty eye-candy, but Christensen and Portman were awful. Maybe they saw read the script, saw their lines, and just gave up. I'm talking major league sucky dialog delivered unconvincingly.
Dang, even Jackson kind of wanders through his role.
What a let-down.
Stefan
If this isn't news anymore, why post it?
From the site:
"At least two copies of the film, which was first shown in theaters in the early hours of Thursday, have been posted to the BitTorrent file-sharing network -- a new and increasingly popular technology that allows users to download large video files much more quickly than in the past."
First, I love the spin the article gives on BitTorrent. The spotlight on its seedier (no pun intended) elements seems to completely negate any legitimate uses [mybookmarkmanager.com, blizzard.com].
Second, I know this a widely arguable reality, but 16,000 times $8 (a generous ticket price) is $128,000. A drop in the bucket considering the pile (any) movies make. Its an interesting statistic, but a flawed argument (on both sides, I know the number is really a lot greater in this instance) for the proposed "loss in quintillions the movie industry suffers from pirating movies".
A few more opinions (I'm really pissed at this article):
- Yea, pirating is a problem, but like music CD's the people that pirate movies might not have the money or the means to begin with that it takes to go see the movie, or buy the music, legitimately.
- The people that can afford to buy the music and see the movies are the real pirates, but a lot of the folks that do download first, often go out and buy the legit copy afterwards, myself included.
- Perhaps theres something to be said about the expansive overhead that all aspects of movie production have. Nothing like someone poking a hole in your business scheme to provoke some creative thinking. Their solutions thus far, not creative (Read "Sue first, ask questions later, lets attack innovation and defend our archaic business models!")
This argument is tiring. BitTorrent isn't going anywhere, developers continually change how they do things to adapt to the new environment these lawsuits and spun news create, while these businesses still claim to be losing money on all fronts.
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...I'll only be seeing it one additional time this weekend. Unless this other circle of friends of mine that isn't big on movies wants to go. Then I'd see it two more times this weekend.
Also, I'm using the gnutella network, which is less dishonest than bitorrent because it is slower.
That's sarcasm, thx.
very quickly after it was released to the net, about 2 weeks before it was supposed to be out. Of course, all my friends wanted to see it and I burned them copies. Usually they will keep the cds so they can watch them again, instead they gave them all back, insisting that not only did they not want them, but nobody else could possibly want them. I ended up paying to see it just for the quality, and never again will I. Posted AC thanks to this shiny tin foil hat!
...cause at home..I can smoke! OMG! someone still smokes in this country?!? blasphemy!! All you whiny non-smokers and your 'public health risks', bah! Now I can watch Sith in the comfort of my own home and get lifted at the same time...thats the freedom I enjoy.
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For the vast majority of the population who don't have home theaters equal to a real theater, a full quality DVD is no substitute either. Star Wars is all about eye candy and special effects. It's just not the same when the sound does not punch you in the chest and the ships are not near life size when they explode. While it's technically possible to get the same quality viewing in your house, few people go to the trouble and expense. DVDs, wherever you get them, are nice but there are some movies you still have to go see.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
According to a well known ripped movies ratings site, RoTS is rated at 6.0/10 for video, and 6.2/10 for audio (may change as more ppl rate it) - and thats keeping in mind it's a pre-release workprint.
There is a version out with a large timer across the top, and there is a rerelease with it blurred out. Anything under 8/10 is usually pretty 'meh'. However, I have no doubt a dvd screener or some other form of release will be out sooner or later.
It's better than a cam by all accounts, but only the truely broke or people who can't be assed will dl this. I certainly don't imagine this crappy quality release will knock much off the initial ticket sales - by the time a decent release is out, the '2 weeks sales' or whatever they look at these days to determine initial success will have passed.
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...is probably what makes up a majority of bittorrent traffic.
This torrent currently has 30221 downloaders.
I'd say that "readily available" would be a gross understatement...
ALL the servers also have been noted to be in Canada...
In other news...
I imagine the editors posting this on Slashdot probably doesn't help...
Consider this. Doing a google search for torrents shows most are shut down. Go ten pages deep in the searches, and there is alot of spam and bs.
Second, some websites that were torrent lists, are not MPAA websites. They track IP addresses. Can they do anything to you for just looking at a website? No. Are they trying to intimidate people? Hell yes!
Second, With all the torrent websites down, how many people are seeding? I found one website, just one with a link. It required a registration. It then required waiting 24 hours to use the website. It is a pain in the butt.
After the 24 hours were up, I tried to download a file at a whopping 0.7 k/s. And to top it off, for all I know I just tried to d/l from the RIAA. Who knows.
So what is the moral?
1) It is hard to find torrent listing websites. Good luck. Chances are most are secretive and closed to new members, they are well hidden and happy with their current members
2) Use protection. Use a proxy. You don't want to get one of those letters from the MPAA or RIAA or any **AA telling you that you owe them $10,000 or they will take you to court for some multiple of that.
What we need is an out-of-the USA filesharing network. We need a slashdot like moderation system, to mod files as +1 good quality or -1 MPAA crap.
I remember Napster, it was easy to use. I now use WinMX, but the good old days are gone. Only way out is for someone in a country where file sharing is not illegal, for them to host a service.
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Many Bothans died to bring us this leak.
From what I have been able to gather online, it isn't a cam rip but actually a work print. This is significant for two reasons.
1) The quality will be better than a cam.
2) Workprints are usually only available to those within the industry which means someone close to the studio leaked this out.
Workprints are usually pretty hard to get, hence why you don't hear about them in the leaked movie news very often.
All said, though, go see it in the theatre. I went to the 12:01 showing last night and it was awesome. Truly awesome.
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The sound was great on the dvdr ISO I downloaded. Picture quality looked like a crummy vcd and the time code was annoying. The movie had its moments but most scenes involving dialogue had me cringing.
This is not news. It was GOING to happen. Period. That said, I saw it. It was a work of are visually. I personally did not mind the acting too much because one thing that we need to remember is they are doing a tremendous amount of the job with green screens. That has GOT to put an actor into a situation where it's just HARD to perform 100 percent. How can you, with a straight face, sword fight with a invisible green dude? ANYWAY....I actually did tear up a bit when Anakin made the final turn. I was a little disappointed that he turned just because of the dream he had of Padme dying during childbirth which ended up being true, but I guess it stands that he lost his mother and he did not want to lose Padme. And palpatine contnues is treacherous ways. He even lied to his apprentice by telling him he killed her in his fit of anger. I guess the Death Star takes roughly 20 years to build, so Palpy must build 2 at nearly the same time...maybe staggered by about 10 years. One thing is for certain..I am whipping out a new hope tonight to watch it.
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sorry.
there have been rumours going around saying that lucas released it on to the net to trap the uploaders and downloaders. Though I would imagnine that it is entirely false.
- Teja
The leaked film is ripped directly from a working copy, unfortunately setup with a 4:3 aspect ratio rather than 16:9. Resolution is around 500x350. Sound is good. It screens like an overcompressed DVD rip with a funky AR.
I'll watch it in the theater, but it's wonderful quality for a same-day release.
BARF!
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Both sound and video. I was just being the obsessive geek there.
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those two twin babies
Stop! No spoilers! I haven't seen it yet!
Again I give the example of extremely low "use taxes" collected by states. This isn't a perfect world where corporations get the appropriate amount of money for every showing of a film. Perfect worlds don't exist yet. Utopia is a fiction just as much as Star Wars itself is.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
Does the video have the StarWars equivalent of Elaine's wacky dance on the tape that Kramer made of a movie on a Sienfeld episode?
Because I do not download movies illegally, I would not know the quality if my friend did not tell me. But this is a DVD-Rip/image on the various bittorrent networks, not just a cam, so the quality will be good, according to my friend.
As the OP points out, most movies end up getting cammed. I doubt the impact is as great as studios say (in the US -- Asia is another matter). The people downloading a crappy version from the net are not the same ones buying DVDs or paying to go to the theater.
On another note, ep III is the first movie I've considered seeing in a theater in a long time. Netflix + widescreen projector + 5.1 = why go to the theater?
Why would we discuss that? Is there even a question? What would be the argument against the creater/funder/owner of the content deserving the proceeds of their work?
Was that remark based on the fact that people are mad at Lucas because they didn't like the last 2 movies?
Or is it that people really dont think any creator deserves proceeds from their work? I'm not talking fair use or anything like that - I understand those arguments - they don't seem relevant here.
It's not like anybody who really cares about the movie is going to be happy with just seeing it on a rip, and most of the people who download (and are happy with) the rip aren't the kind who would have gone to see the movie in any case.
From what I can tell, net downloads (even if you presume that they actually represent lost sales) don't really account for a large percentage of movie company income -- but they make a fine straw-man when the RIAA and the MPAA go to congress asking for big-brother add-ons for your computer.
Most of the people I know who download these things collect them like bottle-caps. They collect way more than they can ever see -- and like many people have already said, the downloaded copies are generally way worse than what you get on a DVD -- and, unless you've spent a few thousand on your sound and video system it's not even going to be close to a movie experience even if you're viewing a proper DVD copy.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
Then NOTHING is perfectly legitimate. I cannot think of one thing in this world that has not been used illegally in some way at some point in time.
In BT's case it's quite clear to see that it has very,v ery widesperad legitimate use. If you are getting a Linux distro, it's hard not to get it via torrent these days. Whenever any download gets slashdotted, someone throws up a torrent and people come in droves (I've done over 5mbytes/second seeding those, that's about a DS-3's worth of bandwidth). Or go to 3dgamers.com and download something. They do have some direct download servers, but the method they push is Bittorrent.
You can argue till you are blue in the face about how much of it is legal vs illegal, point is it wasn't created for the intent of breaking the law and there is a substanital amount of non-infringing use. That's why it's legit.
Try seeing it in DLP format! I saw it today in a crappy AMC theatre, but it was DLP format so it was decent. Audio setup sucked though. I will see the movie again in a better theater.
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Idiots. I haven't downloaded it, but I do know that it's good quality - as good as or even better than DVDs. Heck, even TFA says that "it may have come from within the industry rather than from someone who videotaped an advance screening." Of course, there are other reasons why you might watch it in a theatre - the sound is better and the screen is bigger. (These might not be very appealing to you if you have some home theatre though.)
I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens, but somehow this is still news.
I also wonder how such a non-event consitutes news. Perhaps you could tell us CowboyNeal, since you're the one who posted it?
I wish Bittorrent would be used to pirate GOOD movies. I don't know what the MPAA is all fussed up about. It's not like I can find those rare Japanese pee-fetish videos that Blockbuster refuses to carry.
breath hapily- Is that some sort of Zombie habit? So many Brits listed their religion as "Jedi," in the last census, how many are going to now list themselves as "Sith?"
Seeing a movie like any of the Star Wars ones in a quality theater is an experience I have yet to see any home theater fully recreate. Sound can be done, but seeing a movie like this on a huge (60 foot or larger) screen has no equal yet in the home.
I saw Episode III this morning. Last half is pretty good and worth the price of admission.
Hooking up a PC to your big screen is trivial, so is burning the copy and playing it on a standard deck hooked to said big-screen.
Of course go see SW in a theater. I can't see someone watching some low contrast handheld vidcam of this movie that actually cared about seeing it.
I've used downloads to see if a film is actually worth watching, shut it off in the first 15 minutes and either gone out to the theater or picked something else to watch. I also go and buy the DVD even if I have the download if it's worth keeping. When that changes, the studios will get much less of my money.
Can you imagine if the studios had enough confidence in their shovelware to provide a decent quality MPEG of the first 15 minutes of their titles?
Just like the game industry, the majority who actually pirate are ones who wouldn't buy it if that was their only option.
Whilst Natalie Portman and her highly sought-after hot grits can be seen in the big screen version of Episode III, rumor has it the download makes the grits appear mildly tepid instead.
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Yeah, well, 90% of everything is Sith...
(supposed to be "crap", not "shit", i know.... tryin' my hardest...)
but somehow this is still news.
If it doesn't look like news to you as that statement implies, why post it? O_o
I realize in this day and age this is about as popular as speedos on Ballmer, but...#
nice one.
I really did not like ROTS. I also didn't like AOTC. I enjoyed the Phantom Menace, but that might have been because I smuggled beer into the theater on opening night and was with good friends who were Star Wars fans.
CNN reports on horribly obvious, banal, or trivial news!!!
Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
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You know you want the torrent. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Granted after episode 1 Lucas will never see another penny from me (searching my memory he did'nt see a penny from me on that one eather). So he does'nt owe me as many hours as he owes some.
Star Wars is almost as far past its expiration date as Star Trek.
The original article was redundant, not my post.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
It doesn't come to the country I live in for another TWO MONTHS. And when it does, it will certainly be dubbed and/or ruined.
I'm downloading this already, although I don't plan to watch it before I go to the cinema (tomorrow, tickets at hand right now :D)...
I don't know how some people can spoil the experience of seeing the movie with decent quality just for the sake of seeing it first...
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
... strong in this one.
The movie theaters suk! They're too crowded, noisy, and expensive! But I won't DL the bootleg copy either. I'll wait for the DVD.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Top three torrents at a large torrent site right now:
1. Star Wars III Revenge of the Sith. Seeders: 1290, leechers: 14824 2. Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith. Seeders: 241, leechers: 4777 3. Star Wars Revenge of the Sith Episode 3. Seeders: 148, leechers: 4148. And yeah, this is the ultra-crap version with a timecode imprinted.
Because the Japanese release date is July-freaking-9th, that's why!
Over 50 countries get this movie within two days of the US release, but not Japan....
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[bah to the comment compression filter. Filter this!]
How do you know that this version is fuzzy with garbled sound? Huh? HUH?
It's statements like that one that'll get the MPAA a-knockin'.
And Lucas deserves the money as much as P.T. Barnum did. Take that as you will.
Somebody get that guy an ambulance!
A girl?
;)
coooool...
Every showing (on three screens) at my local theater is sold out till next week. That's 800 people per showing. This is the last Star Wars ever, people want to see it in the theater, not a crappy xvid file.
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Because I feel like taking a piss, I am lacking attention span?
I have to agree. Those Lord of the Rings movies were just too much. You couldn't drink your beverage until half way through the show if you wanted a hope of not missing part of the show for a trip to the can.
In the old days movies had intermissions. Live shows still do. What happened to those?
I have a copy of the movie suitable for download over even a dialup line. Be gentle: Clicky Clicky[etoyoc.com]
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It's not the technicality of downloading it. It's like downloading "Gay Niggers From Outer Space," or "Sleepless in Seattle."
It's an issue of motivation. I downloaded Episode 2, and pretty much just regretted the time it took. However, I did enjoy downloading Xmen 2. I really need to go buy the DVD of that. In fact, I do believe I'll go order that from Amazon, right now.
This was a good Slashdotting, simply because it reminded me I need the Xmen 2 DVD. If it wasn't for that, it would have been completely worthless.
CowboyNeal: It's still usually worth shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
I'm not trying to be a shill for the movie industry here or anything, but whatever happened to "it's still usually worth shelling out the cash so that the people that worked on the movie get the money that they're owed?" You're not supposed to pay for stuff you watch because it's higher quality, you're supposed to pay for it because it's the right thing to do.
"95% of all Slashdot
Even if the rip is dvd quality it's not the same thing as going to the movies and participating in a great american social event. Star wars is for the big screen.
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Will probably just watch their download, discover that they really much rather experience it on the big screen, and goes to the theater to watch it AGAIN anways (and most likely to also purchase it on DVD once it comes out.)
Would anyone sane really want to see a Star Wars episode on a small screen before seeing it on the big silver screen? No.
Simpy
not the best, but at least it answered some questions about the other films.
I am not quite sure why R2D2 was a badboy in this film, but didn't do quite so well in the other films. There must be a force connection with Anakin there that empowered R2 to become his badboy self for this film. That was lost later on, when he lost his connection to Anakin. When you think about it, R2D2 is the real hero of all six Star Wars films.
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It took them this long???????? Somebody must have been slacking. I mean, it's already been out for 21 hours. Jeez...
Anyone who questions whether an artist deserves proceeds from paying purchasers of the artist's work clearly lacks a brain or a moral compass.
"Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
Why? Because I liked it, and I want to see it. I'll go to the cinema when I can.
Most the films I don't see in the cinema and do find through the internet are through bad advertising, and its often difficult to get to the cinema before they dissapear from the listings. Film products seem to have such a short lifespan these days which is a shame because many films deserve regular (weekly?) reruns.
Lucas deserves all the money he gets, I thought it was a very good film with plenty of action, effects, suspense - even if the acting was severely over the top.
most movies that are released by any worthy groups are either a production copy/rip not some cam in theaters, or a digital projector output at the least.
Dont Judge The situation by the Misfortunate. Goga.
Back when I was working in the movie industry, Studios have people watch reels and give them a rating of "A", "B", and "C". We wouldn't watch the reels in order but just gave them the rating.
Then they would give the "A" prints to the best theater houses and the "C" prints to the multiplexes and the crappy theaters.
So they do give preferences to movie theaters. You want the best presentation, see it in a first-rate theater.
I took the whole family to see the movie today (liked it a lot)
Now I'm downloading it from BitTorrent. Just playing around, really, seeing what all the fuss is about.
When the DVDs come out, we'll probably buy the whole set again. And then again when Lucas does it in 3D.
So while I may be doing something illegal, I really don't give a fuck. I've paid, and I'm going to pay, everything I morally owe those blood-sucking leeches in Hollywood. I'll pay a minstral to listen to him playing the flute, but damn if he'll stick me up everytime I whistle the tune over the next week.
Sith happens.
"I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens"
So you just admitted that you look for illegal downloads.
Back when I was working in the movie industry, Studios have people watch reels and give them a rating of "A", "B", and "C". We wouldn't watch the reels in order but just gave them the rating. Then they would give the "A" prints to the best theater houses and the "C" prints to the multiplexes and the crappy theaters. So they do give preferences to movie theaters. You want the best presentation, see it in a first-rate theater.
Some coworkers and I saw the 3:30 showing here in Atlanta. The movie cuts to Vader's mask being put on for the first time and one of the guys in our group whispers "wait, now who is this guy?".
We're still punching him as I type.
You are checking your backups, aren't you?
The MPAA probably posted the torrent themselves and are sitting back grabbing everyone's ip. Screw em, downloading anyway.
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Have fun...
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And BTW this is quite good quality DVDR copy from a final workprint... have a timer on top but sound is very good and img sharp.
I tried downloading it for an bour, It was stuck at 2kbs so I gave up. What are the additional scenes?
I just saw it in DLP and it was AWESOME!!! The movie was filmed entirely in digital like AOTC and there is so much CGI that you have got to see in on a digital display.
As for the fucking assholes who stole this great movie and put it online and for the equally same fucking assholes who downloaded the movie, I hope Lucasfilm prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law. It is crap like this that gives the MPAA creditability to invade our privacy and regulate our property.
One asshole wrote that "I downloaded the movie because it's not worth the $10." I'd like to smash his face in! You don't steal something just because you don't agree with the price. Our entire great capitalistic country will come to a halt if the fruit of many years of hard labor are stolen every time.
Anyways, great movie this is!!!
A friend of mine is very big into pirated music, software and video. He is almost like a pusher in his compelling need to get other people to download warez.
Quote: "Dude, why are wasting your money on a theater? I have a copy of SpiderMan II right here! Just look at it!" He then goes on to show me a 160x120 fuzzy grainy video with crappy sound.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
No nobody's gonna go see it!
Why do they sue people that have no money like college students? Why not sue CNN?
Number of downloaders: 1000
Number after CNN showed the world how to get it: 100000
In the French version (or any other language), does Yoda still speak backwards?
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And I suspect it's all the students and nerds downloading the torrent data. I'm being serious! I have friends all around the US on AIM and MSN Messenger that are stating the same thing. Does anyone have a record of bandwidth being used up on major interstate fiber routers? I would love to see them.
Life is not for the lazy.
We all complain about copyright laws (especially here in the USA)
and then some smuck does this ??? yeah give the yahoo's on capitol hill more ammunition why don't you!! I'm looking at Sen. Hatch (UT..although no geek in Utah wants to admit it)
over there with his atomic RPG launcher pointing at all our PC's and ipods.
honestly, cough up the $8.00 if you want to see it, if you really think it's going to be trash and "refuse" to pay then just add it to your netflix/blockbuster list when you can.
and BTW Lucas hasn't raped anyone of there childhood or anything else, so don't pull that. bit that he "owes" it to you to let you see it free (illegally)
The special effects are amazing! I mean, at some point I thought Hayden Christensen could act, and only later I realized Lucas had just replaced him with a Hayden Christensen 3D-model. I'll have to fetch the download to make sure...
No. They wouldn't. At least I wouldn't. A movie like that needs to be seen in a theatre. And I'll probably go see it again in the theatre. And I'll buy it on DVD because my home computer can't recreate the experience of my home theatre.
But I'll probably download it. I mean, hey, after the $40 or so I'll be spending in the theatre to see it, and the $20+ I'll spend for the DVD when it's released, I don't really feel guilty.
The Internet is generally stupid
I saw it at the 12:05 a.m. showing, then the 3:50 p.m. showing. I'm d/l it right now and I'm seeing it again this weekend with some other friends and I will probably see it one more time after that in the theaters. When the DVD is realeased I will buy it. I imagine the that 80% of the people that d/l it will have went and seen it at least once at the theaters and about half of them will buy the DVD when its released and that probablly falls in the about the same numbers that would have seen it at the theaters and buy the dvd reguardless of it being available on the net
Well it really is not going away now we've got a tracker less solution for bittorrent:
0 5/03/0458256&tid=95&tid=230&tid=8 5 4255&tid=230&tid=218
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/22
No one is shutting down bittorrent, its on the same level of 'what it is' as Windows. Bittorrent is simply to use...
So MPAA pull your heads in, learn from Napster/Music and give us a solution thats works for us and you.
I certainly don't. I'll be seeing this movie in a couple of weeks, during a noon matinee. My price? $4.00. Cost for a drink? I would say about $.25, since I'm gonna sneak in some lemonade in my jacket. More than likely there will be no more than 5 other people there, at worst.
Only fools and mongoloid morons pay more than $5 TOTAL to see a first run movie nowadays.
Piracy is all prevalent and is not restricted to movies and music. In my country, you can get any brand whether it is Nike, Adidas or any other for 10 % of the cost of the original. Of course they are all duplicates but to an inexperienced user, they look and feel the same. You go to any computer shop and ask for a windows 2000 professional or windows XP professional CD, and you can get it for just $1. Same is the case for movies. If this trend has to be reduced, then the people making these products should reduce the price of the product to the level that is affordable to the majority of the people in a particular country. This is where the open source and GPLed softwares score over their propritery counterparts. For example, in the USA, there could be one price list according to the earning potential of the people and in a third world country they could have a different lower price list.
In the case of movies, if there are pay per view sites which stream these movies to people having access to broadband internet at a nominal cost, then it will help reduce the illegal sharing of the movies.
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is that the first copy of sith was found on a torrent site before 'the scene'. A dvd work print was apparantly stolen from the group planning to release the file on topsites (they go by the name ViSA) and ended up on the torrent sites and spread from there untill the group PRE'd the release about an hour later, the quality isn't bad except for the two huge timers and bad aspect ratio (heh)
"These are not the .torrents you are looking for."
"Those aren't the torrents we're looking for."
"We may continue downloading at our leisure."
"You may continue downloading at your leisure."
Authority questions you. Return the favor.
I star wars at 12:01 technically really early thursday, but now I am tempted to download it and watch it again. I'll probably see it in the theatres at least once more, Lucas has gotten my money, now where is my convenience.
Watch the MPAA blame this on "piracy".
nobody's making you pay for it or watch it, but if you don't pay for it, then you can't watch it. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/9881/sw3am.png Quality looks alright, I'd rather go see it in cinemas without the timer at the top though :P
Have you metaroderated recently?
The stunning Jedi battles ensue when you get a group of people to desccribe which ones they like best.
Oddly, it seems about split between dark and light side M&M's.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually for my midnight showing of Sith, the theater kindly let us buy bottles of water or coke or popcorn or hot dogs for just $1 each, which was actuallly a pretty good deal. These were all full-sized items, ad they sold a lot more this way.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
- stiff acting
- all confrontations felt unlogic
- halfway, the movie turned to desperately make the transition to episode IV
And last, but not least; the movie just didn't feel real, as it was so easy to see all rendered scenes. Bad physics and too much show-off.
you said "it's still usually worth shelling out the cash so that the people that worked on the movie get the money that they're owed?"
you're wrong, philosophically AND practically
you are trying to apply binary logic to a question of scale
your determination that not paying for a movie = stealing is wrong, not because not paying for a movie is right, but because it's simply NOT "stealing" in the moral sense you are trying to bring to bear on the situaiton before us
let's put it another way: to convince people not to download movies, you have to stop using a moral sledgehammer. you need moral nuance, because they aren't listening to your fire and brimstone, as it outweighs the weight of the crime
let's say instead of downloading a movie, you sneak into another theatre after the movie you paid for, something teenagers have been doing for decades. what have you stolen? well, if you didn't sneak into that theatre, that seat would have still been empty, correct?
do you see what i am getting at?
meanwhile, if i steal a loaf of bread, i've stolen a loaf of bread. i haven't stolen half a loaf, i haven't stolen 100,000 loaves. it's a binary determination: i stole the binary value of a loaf of bread at market prices. i, in your words, need to make moral amends so that "the baker that worked on the bread get the money that they're owed"
that logic your using works PERFECTLY for situations where my actions results in something physically becoming unavailable for someone else's use
do you see?
but that is NOT what is happening with pirated media!
i'll put it another way: let's say someone makes a movie for $100 million, and no one wants to see it, and the movie grosses $1 million. what is, in your words, the logic behind asking for what "the people that worked on the movie get the money that they're owed?" is it safe to infer then that you support the notion that those who made the $100 million bomb get paid by society $99 million to make up for their loss?
no really, what are the makers of a movie MORALLY owed?
if someone makes a movie for $100,000 and it grosses $500 million, is that what they are owed?
what they are owed in your moral sledgehammer approach to the problem? applying old binary logic of stealing to a question of scale?
your moral attitude simply doesn't stand up to examination, philosophically and practically
with media: movies, music, text, etc... anything that can be digitized, the binary logic of morality when it comes to theft simply does not apply
THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!
again, listen to me carefully, i am not introducing a slippery slope to acceptance, i repeat: it is still WRONG to copy a movie online
but it is not the same KIND of wrong!
it is more nuanced, do you see?
so what you, and the RIAA and MPAA and the people who write the laws in this country need to do, is realize exactly WHAT kind of wrong it is, and stop swinging your sledgehammers, and thereby doing nothing but demonstrate that you don't really understand what you are really talking about
refusing to play anything but hardball with a situation that requires a more nuanced moral approach does not do anything except create deaf ears to you, and by extension, a sense of morality
and that is a shame: that because you will not develop a more nuanced approach to the problem, you and people like you in your simplemindedness are doing nothing but fostering immorality in a generation of teenagers and young adults who simply don't look at it they way you do... not because they don't understand what you do about the exact nature of the wrongness of the situation, but because they understand the nature of the wrongness of the situation MORE than you do
and they need moral guidance, and you aren't providing it
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I will.
And I will never see it on cinemas. Ever.
Blah, this Jedi thing is so gay.
Fortunately, I saw it on my computer.
I will change the ending.
Near the end, Rambo enters, kills every fag jedi in sight, then takes Yoda, forces him to do a blowjob, and then shoves the ligh saber up his ass.
Then, Rambo proceeds to free some POWs that where there for unkwnown reasons, and fly back to America in a spacial helicopter or something.
Mr T comes in then, kicking Darth Vader in the nuts, and raping the Emperor.
Finally, the Dukes of Hazzard runs into scene, killing all the fanboys and fags doing cozplay.
Also, Alf does the Chuwacca part.
End.
I think I'm relatively sane. And I want to watch the downloaded version. I'm no biggie Star Wars fan. I actually watched episodes 5 and 6 maybe 3 years ago (at age of about 25). I wasn't all that impressed. 4 was okay. 1 sucked, definitely a movie for little kids. 2 was so boring that I watched it once and never returned. Cinema is expensive here, and I just don't believe the movie is worth the kind of money they are asking for. At half the price, why not? But you can bargain about ticket prices. So, sorry - instead of getting half the money you want, you'll get none from me, Lucas. I might buy DVD if I -really- love the movie. But I wouldn't count on it.
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I can't believe I actually shelled out near $20 to watch that garbage. I'm going to download the screener asap, just so I can review it enough times to determine if there is actually anything in the movie to make the series worth buying in a large set.
What I find very interesting, is that in retrospect, you can detect HUGE differences in plotline, character development and overall quality between a series of movies that:
a) are directed by a talented director based on a mythos created by a talented writer
and
b) are directed by a self-involved producer based on a mythos created by a marketing team as the series proceeds.
I swear if I set the SW box set next to the LOTR box set my entertainment center will light on fire.
Gah!
I downloaded it and watched it yesterday. The quality is crap but actually better than most other TS/TC:s. No flickering picture was the best thing. Low resolution was the worst thing. The sound was ok.
However - and this demonstrates why the MPAA/RIAA reasoning is flawed - I will STILL go and see it @ the cinema. I have tickets for tonight.
Anti piracy organizations alwas think that one pirate-copy equals a lost sale. But that is wrong thinking.
If ever there was a movie that could be used as a sting by the MPAA, SWIII is it. A large group of people downloading a file that has been reported by all the major news sites in the last day. The MPAA isn't stupid and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the MPAA is taking down IP's of everyone who is downloading/seeding this movie.
---southpaw
Sticky floors, loudmouthed fuckheads showing off their expensive $0.01 cellphones, and 25 minutes of commercials (on top of the 15 minutes of previews and assorted crappy movie trivia) if you want to get there early enough to get seats that aren't 10 feet from the screen or behind a pillar...you're right, I can't get that kind of experience from a PC monitor. Well, I probably could if I tried hard enough.
"i'll put it another way: let's say someone makes a movie for $100 million, and no one wants to see it, and the movie grosses $1 million. what is, in your words, the logic behind asking for what "the people that worked on the movie get the money that they're owed?" is it safe to infer then that you support the notion that those who made the $100 million bomb get paid by society $99 million to make up for their loss?"
I was going to do a tirade. But I'll simply point out that the actions of pirates speak far louder than the justifications they spend hours working on.
no more to say
You do realize that the phrase "lowest common denominator" is senseless, right? The actual phrase is "greatest common denominator" but people don't like to say it that way because it sounds too positive.
The most rabid believers in American Exceptionalism are the exact same people whose policies are destroying it.
Yeah, and the damned leechers were out in such numbers last night, I was unable to play True Combat: Elite because they were having a severe impact on my ping times. I'm only on a small ISP that can be swamped by P2P leeching of large files like this one. The cheap bastards should go to the cinema.
Oolite: Elite-like game. For Mac, Linux and Windows
Well, can you eat ice scream before paying about it and said - well, it sucked, i won't pay? You can't have it that way.
That's becuase the icecream is a tangeable, used object witch can't be returned in its proper state. The icecream-salesman will actually have lost something. As opposed to someone downloading a copy.
How come people (or pedants) have such a hard time grasping that there are differences between tangeable and non-tangeable things?
Now, if you find that this difference makes this copying morally acceptable or not is one thing.
But if you fail to acknowledge the difference that either makes you dumb, for not seeing it or makes you dumb for not realizing that the difference does indeed make a difference. Either way it makes you a dumb, annoying moron pedent troll.
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
"I'm tired of both sides taking absolutely ridiculous, unsupportable positions..."
oddly enough I got tired of your post about 2 sentences in.
Sorry to nitpick, but it's a pet hate.
Perverse != Perverted
They do have similar meanings, granted, but "perverse" means more "bloody minded/against good", whereas "perverted" means "deviant/sexually deviant".
And yeah, dictionaries (generally American) often offer perverse as a synonym for some senses of perverted, but that doesn't mean (for example) that a guy covered in trifle with his dick in a chicken is perverse. He's perverted.
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Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
Totally correct,
Imagine if I told GP "Give me $50, and I will sing you a song", and then I started singing "Fuck u, Fuck u, FUck u, Fuck u".... what is the difference if BEFORE he payed he told me to sing? well, at the end both of u won't have lost anything, AND if he liked my song he would have to pay me, and if he did not like it he wont...
mmm wait, that does not make sense in reallity.
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After Ep1 and 2, who in their right minds would want to watch Sith anyway?
Oh, no. Darth Vader's supposed to sound like that.
At my theater we sometimes will splice in intermissions in the middle of long movies with old intermission footage of a countdown timer.
The problem is, we have to hide this fact from the movie studios, because they don't want peeing and popcorn sales cutting into their profits, and possibly reducing the amount of possible showings.
Think theaters are against an intermission and upping sales? Hardly. We splice in the intermissions because it makes us money. The studios give us explicit rules not to, because it might make them lose money.
i said piracy was WRONG
but it isn't STEALING
where stealing = taking a car or taking a loaf of bread
and people like you, who insist on thinking of it as the same, do not demonstrate morality, you demonstrate blindness
if you murder someone, is it the same as raping someone?
no, of course not
so do you punish them the same way?
no, of course not
how can that make so much sense to you, but you refuse to see the point i am making?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Easy ones here are FM variations in timecode, FM variations in black level of timecode background.
Would the studio have a certified toolchain so that all editing, distribution channels leave a digital watermark??
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Went to the theater last night and saw it but unfortunately i fell a sleep in the middle. Think I'm getting old or something
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.pdf of /. with no banners and all? It would be pretty tough for you to wonder why a guy "does or does not" deserve to get paid. How about if someone made the equivalent of the /. early service for free? Well ... on your level you may not be able to buy a 800k home. You and all the /. owners may be stuck with apartments. So ... Lucas does something bigger than anyone ever .. and you are going to question if he should be paid?
/. membership and have a big party on your dime?
ScentCone writes "Of course it was bound to happen, so now it's mostly a matter of discussing why Lucas does or does not deserve to make the proceeds, or whether people would or would not have gone to see it now that the usual path has been carved around the opening weekend box office."
So you raise the question "discussing why Lucas does or does not deserve to make the proceeds".
WTF
Where is the discussion in all of this? How about you look at your own business platform. Would you be psyched if someone made an instant
How about we all circumvent early
Not cool.
Not cool for you to even question a guy getting paid for his work.
Pablo Piccaso was never called an asshole. Not like you.
There is something to be said for viewing Ep.3 in lower than perfect quality; it would have to stand on its script because the special effects will not carry it in low-res. I'll download, and if I'm impressed I'll pay my dollars to see it in the theatre and appreciate it more for the special effects. I'm still kicking myself for paying to see Daredevil without downloading it first.
I do too. It reminds me of when I was a stupid teenager. I wonder if that is part of the reason so many people don't like it?
There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. -- Francis Bacon
In the linked article, notice the sentence, "have been posted to the BitTorrent file-sharing network". Now would not a Reuters journalist take the time to understand that Bittorrent is a technology, and not a "network" operated by some "dark" side of the internet?
It is total brainwash, with the reason to get the public thinking "oh, Bittorrent that illegal dark network". The MPAA will go far to create such fear monguering. Is it possible they themselves would actually post the movie up on the web? Heck I can see a lot of reasons why:
1. Lots of press on lost revenue, etc. for the guys on "the hill" to think about.
2. Lots of press to make technologies seem illegal or "dark" (as they phrase it in the article) in the public's eye.
3. Lots of people seeing a crappy copy does not mean lost revenue in reality, ANY Star Wars fan will see this thing several times, and will demand at least once is in the theater. Let's not even talk about merchandising, games, licensing, blah blah. This movie would be profitable even if the studio released a free download version at viewable resolution for anybody to download worldwide!
Real men don't need signitures!!!
Reading just the first page of this thread, I've decided to circumvent the propirates and the idiots, same difference, I know.
/., you want to masterbate to Natale Portman.
First, background, I paid to see episode one, and decided, aftaer that abortion, not to see episode 2 until I heard 10 people compliment it, I didn't, so I downloaded and watched it for free. It was worth every cent.
Episode 3 had things going for it, though. The trailer made it live up to expectations. So I paid for it. Yes, a whole $6! And no, I'm not bankrupt from this, and neither will anyone here, being that all fo us can at least afford internet access.
I'm sorry kids, there is NO excuse for pirating this. Try as you may, there is only lame excuses. Please, stop lying to others, and possibly youself.
"My theators quality sucks!"
go to another one!
"I don't like the enviroment of my theator because (tall people/loud people/laser pointers/...)!"
Your lying, I live in a big city, with many morons, no problem here.
"I might have to pee!"
Tough, go first. Or hold it.
"My girlfriend wants to be home"
Your lying, this is
"It's too expensive!"
It's $6??!!! If you live in a cardboard box, then maybe, if not, STFU!
And my last thing, it was a VERY good flick. It actually impressed me, and made me respect the rest of the series, I-VI. It was worth every cent of my $6. And more. What the hell is wrong with paying for quality. When I cheated on the last one, I at least had motivation, and waited for it to be on DVD. There is no excuse for not paying.
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I'm personally of the opinion that I like the conviences of home more so because of the fact that I can't bring my own drinks into the movie theatre. I'm frustrated that theatres charge $7 for a 'large' (aka -- medium size) drink, and another $5.50 for a small popcorn made in a machine never cleaned, with a gallon of something-resembling-butter on top. I like sitting on my own couch, watching it at my pace (pause to go to the bathroom whenever I want) and being able to have friends over to watch it. If I want the 'big screen' effect... I can buy a $200 projector and blast it at a white wall with surround sound speakers plugged into the player. I don't intend to waste the time downloading the movie, and will more than likely end up paying the massive price to watch it in the theatre, but there is something to be said for getting ripped off by your local theatre. Although if I have to read many more posts with people bitching and moaning about BTor and how we're all just a bunch of pirates, I may just download the movie, just to piss those people off ;-) ... but don't worry, I'd like to see the movie, not a mod'd version of it from a download...
Needs to police itself and look for moles rather than going after bit torrent users. This time it was an inside job (and that's probably where MOST of the 'leaks' come from).
Anyway for a flick like this one I'd much rather find a THX equipped movie with a wide screen and pay the price of a ticket than watch it with my kids in the family room on the boob tube. (We usually sneek our own M&M's in rather than get ripped off at the concession stand!)
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1) I watch all movies online. I don't own a VHS or DVD player. I steal all my music, I steal all my movies and I do it on a very slow internet line. It is rare I have nothing to watch.
2) I watched all of the star wars 1-3 movies on downloaded copies in the first week of release. Then when I went to see it in theatre, I could stand to wait until the theatre was less full and crappy and I could get a cheaper ticket.
Its not one or the other. Everyone i've talked to who has seen it in theatres has said they missed stuff. Personally I never feel like I miss stuff in movies, I guess most people are just stupid and slow.
Watching movies off the 'net is incredibly convenient. And no it didn't "become" illegal at some point post napster, sorry guys stealing media has always been illegal and since rulings are just delays or enhancements of consequences. Deal with it, thats life. Everything thats worth doing is illegal and everything else is halfass or open source or flawed facimiles of the real thing.
There has always been piracy and there always will. Provided they make some money from the sheep, I don't give a rats ass about stealing media. Worrying that you didn't make quite as much money in an industry with constant revenue and creative accountants I can't really get all cry-cry over it.
I drove an hour last night just to see it in a DLP cinema. I've seen Episodes 1-3 in a digital theater, and it's well worth it if you're the type who cares about that sort of thing.
"No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it!" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth
I'm downloading it now. I'm planning on watching it this weekend. It isn't likely I'd have a chance to get to a theater this weekend. It's a 30 minute drive one way, so seeing a movie in the theater for me means spending an hour in a car and burning 1+ gallons of gas. I also have a life with priorities other than watching movies. Watching a movie in the theater is never an impulse activity for me because of this. I'm planning seeing RotS next weekend in the theater, but it's possible that it might not happen. This is regardless of whether or not I've seen the pirated version. In all likelihood, this will be playing through the summer like Episode I did. Almost certain that I will see it in the theater once. If not, I'll watch it again when it plays on HBO; which is what I did with Episode II.
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Any moron who would tarnish their SWE3 experience by viewing a downloadable version of the movie before seeing in the theatre is a complete idiot. The Lucas empire is based around excellent quality movies, sound, and video. I would pay money not to see the downloadable version first, downloadable movies are pretty much crap, I don't see why hollywood is so up in a tissy over them.
My only wish is Lucas would come out with a WMV-HD version of the movie, I would shell out some doe for that my friend, upwards of $50 easily.
You don't have MY computer.... :D
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I went to a preview on Wednesday afternoon in NYC. As our spot in line drew closer to entering the theater, we found out that we would be searched and that no recording or photography equipment would be allowed within the theater. Now this alone wasn't too surprising, but they went so far as to ban cell phones with cameras on them!
Amazing. You mean I have to check in my phone, which has a lowsy, low-res camera on it, just so I can't take a blurry shot that can be then spead over the network and file sharing networks everywhere?! Nice work, guys. We only had to wait for 45 minutes after the movie ended to get our phones back from the pile that they had laid out on a table. I mean, you'd think the 30 guys they had standing along the walls with night vision goggles to spot bootleggers might have been enough. Obviously not. One way or another these things always seems to leak out, and all you need is one bootlegger to make it out of one theater. But they'll keep on trying - I'm already wondering what further inconveniences my phone with the crappy camera will get me into. sigh.
Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. -Hawking
devils advocate mode
Oddy, yes I can. http://www.bittorrent.com
/devils advocate mode
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my local AMC parking lot was half empty as well. This is because the 5 screens with Episode III were sold out, and the remaining 15 screens were empty. A half full parking lot on a thursday night isn't bad, really.
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I never took a stance at the morals of downloading copyrighted works. If you read my post again I'm fairly certain you will find me saying that it is indeed a question of it's own.
What I did say, was that there is a difference between tangeable and non-tanegable things and that denying that was stupidity or pedantry.
But I guess you were too busy trolling to notice.
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
One of the torrents seems to actually be a pre-release DVD. The quality of both video and sound is great, with the exception of the timecode on the top of the screen.
I was speaking of when the *AA's buy the laws requiring it.
UNtil then, you are right, no ISP that wants to stay in business will do that.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I have a very bad feeling about this.
Am I the only one who glanced at this headline and didn't correctly read "Sith" the first time? =X
I caught the Mountain Wumpus! He gave me his treasure chest ($100) to let him go free again.
I just don't care anymore about what happens in some commercialized saga designed to sell toys.
... on disk ... at a used disc store ... in the clearance section. Even then I'll watch it while mutitaking a dozen other things and only look up for the porno added in the xxx version of 2008.
I'll wait for the 3D version to come out
Downloaded the film print DVD version after reading the first posting that it was available online on ./ . Dropped it on my media center PC and played it as a DVD. Quality was great and the sound was awsome (surround sound).
In days of yor the projectionist had to manually synchronize reel changes every 20 minutes. You still often see the reel change signals (a white oval or X in the corner of the frame) preceeding the change
We know; we've all seen 'Fight Club' (Come to think of it, that's kind of inaccurate nowadays...)
I assume the single-frames of a "nice fat cock" spliced in by malevolant projectionists are somewhat less common. (^_^)
this film dialogue is worse than being surrounded by
mormons?
Ouch!
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