So what's the problem with re-encoding the show daily with new commercials inserted? (for the download version). So you get the commercials based on when you DL it.
Price of commercials on the very first days the DL is available would obiviously be more than ones that go with the show 2-3 weeks after initial release.
After the episode gets older, you sell 'long term' sponsor spots and archive it with that. Boilerplates with 'this episode was sponsored by '.
I doubt P2P distribution of commercial-stripped episodes would be that much of a problem if you could hassle-free download them legally.
All preinstall-OEM copies I've seen do *not* ask for the CD-key during installation, nor they need any activation - unless there is a major hardware change
The change only relates to *preinstalled*, *pre-activated* copies of *major OEM builders*. Dells and such.
Hint: when you (re)install a Dell with the CD that came, you do not need to activate.
Now if you use the Product Key on the sticker of the Dell to install 'normal' Windows Home CD to another computer, it obiviously asks you to activate.
Difference is that the 'special' Dell OS CD is made for that Dell model, and preapproved as activated. Nobody should ever NEED to activate these copies when they are ran on the system they were sold with. And, lookie, OEM copies are supposed to be nontransferrable.
The idea is to stop the (common) cases of moving stickers from preinstalled Dells to other computers, and preloading OS using the key of the Dell. The original Dell user wont be needing the key - the recovery CD works fine without it - so people are reselling the stickers.
Now if you install a normal XP with a Dell key, you need to talk to MS and 'answer correctly' how you got the key.
Retailers were EXTREMELY pissed off at launch, and the online purchase option was carefully hidden few days after launch, and it stayed hidden for a long time afterwards.
Nowdays they again offer the option openly, but make no mistake - retailers were NOT amused of the move.
Which part of 'a game' was too hard to understand?
Games are WAY diferent beasts that operating systems or applications. 90% of sales come from the first week, and if there is a downloadable option, it would SERIOUSLY eat on the sales of the boxed version.
Thank retailers/distributors for that. They want their cut off every box. Blizzard themselves are kinda screwed.
IF they skip the retailers/distributors, they risk getting way less exposure due to no box on the shelf
If they embrace the box distribution, they are tied to the limitations - namely, one account per purchased box, high price of the initial client/box, and full control of the distribution of the game accounts given to the distributor.
CORRECTION - should have said 'every *boxed* MMO launched, at launch'.
There are small-time download-only games, and some older titles entice people with free/nearly free downloadable copies. I was talking about games you buy off store shelves - all MMOs sold like this have the same CD-Key system.
The retailers/distributors would say 'fuck this' and junk the game off their shelves.
They want their cut of the 50$ for every new account. Otherwise they won't stock the box, and no box on shelves = way less sales, as lots of the lemmings can't figure out that you could *gasp* buy a game that isn't a box on a store shelf.
AO started as a boxed game. Yes, you can DL it nowdays. Vendetta Online = never heard. Earth and Beyond started as a boxed game.
I've bought and played boxes of... hmm.. Ultima Online, Dark age Of Camelot (+3 expansions), EQ, EQ2, AO, City of Heroes...
Yes, I've played a lot of them. Only downloadable ones were AO (after a long while) and City of Heroes - an ability that is well hidden and wasn't generally taken happily by the retailers who were trying to shift the boxes.
And even in the case of City of Heroes, the key is quite oneshot. Even without the box, the key I paid for was good for only the creation of one account.
Anarchy Online is probably the only major MMO that gives out accounts nowdays like candy - its part of their aggressive marketing campaing to stay alive with their aging game that is badly in need of a full recode of the whole client (and probably major bits of the server code).
Bingo. You get a license to do whatever you want with the coasters (within the limitations of the EULA). Sadly the content of the coasters does jack and shit without a personal account to the WoW gameservers (the service). Which you cannot transfer. Buying used MMOs is considered stupid due to this little fact, and known to all longtime players of the genre.
IF the CD-key had worked, what would've prevented you from creating multiple accounts with just one game?
I fail to understand how this 'key is *USED* for *GOOD* when its' registered to a new account'-concept is so hard for some people?
Maybe it's the crap microsoft/whatever 'cd key' systems where the key is mostly irrelevant - you can install multiple copies off same key anyway. Heck, the WinXP 'activation' has caught many morons off guard just as well - they happily go installing it to every relative thinking its just like Win98 was, and then cry foul when the activation tells them to go jump off a cliff after first few copies.
The distributor gets the cash out of the box sales.
If accounts were free, or available from online, there would be no distribution of the box version. No distributor wants to touch a game that is available online cheaper (or even at same price, but 'easier').
And stupid people won't consider games they can't buy as a box from a store. No store visibility = way less subscribers.
Only when the game is dead as a doorknob as 'store boxed version', the sale / giveaway of accounts beings.
Basically they are feeding Vivendi Universal or whoever handles the distribution. VU has to get mucho money, so VU can be bothered to put the game on shelves, on magazine pages etc.
Yes, the whole store/boxes/crap model is outdated. I'd happily pay real money for games if I could actually download them at launch day, instead of waiting for ages for the stupid boxes to ship and arrive to stores. I paid for HL2, mostly because they allowed this. Yeah, steam is 'bad' or 'crappy' or whatever, but at least it works. I got the game on launch day, not a week late (hint: I don't live in the US), and I got it at a same price as the US customers got (no extra taxes, duties, shipping costs and other crap).
Every MMO launched to date has a single-shot CD-key used to create an account. That means that the used game is worthless. The CD is unprotected and the contents are fairly easily obtainable. Only thing worth anything is the CD-Key, and that's good for only one use.
Yes, you could sell the game AND the account, but in WoW's case this is forbidden by EULA. You can whine all you want, but if they somehow allowed the re-use of the CD-Key, that would allow basically unlimited accounts out of one box. And whoever controls the account can play the game - box not required.
Don't buy used MMOs (returned/repackaged/'slightly used'). Any store with half a brain don't take returns of MMOs as once the key has been digged out of the box and copied down, the rest of the box/CD/Etc is quite worthless. CD-Key theft out of boxes in store shelves is a growing problem - many clueless salesdroids dont understand how the bunch of numbers on the paper is the only valuable bit of the game box, so if you buy an opened box, you risk getting a dud that may be painful to return. How do you prove you didn't use the key yourself?
Now is selling of such 'one-shot' products fine, trampling on the 'first sale' principle? That's whole another discussion. WoW is doing it just like every other game in the genre. And just about every single other game forbids sale of accounts. Others allow the sale of account + box together (only), but such trades are high-risk.
For example, in Dark Age of Camelot, whoever knows the 'secret word' inputted at character creation can at any time take ownership of the account (change PW, change any other details) by calling game billing support hotline. So even if you get the CDs, the box, the (worthless) CD-key, the user account and the password, if you don't know that you ALSO need a secret word (and you need to change it promptly by calling the company), your account can be taken back by the original owner, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Blizzard is just taking the easiest route - if you your account/password ends up in wrong hands, they wash their hands. Sale of accounts is not allowed, and basically whoever controls the username/PW 'owns' the account, and if you complain about account sale/trade issues, they just ban the account as account sales are not allowed. And yes, the box, the CD-Key and the media is totally useless and worthless once the account has been created.
Yep. Truepower 550W is a good one. Basically on antecs the TruePower line is good stuff, while the SmartPowers are more or less the usual low end junk.
I'm using Truepower 550W with Athlon64 3500+, 6800GT, 2GB RAM, Adaptec 19160 SCSI controller and *8* hard drives.
Still works. Same setup blew older Enermax 465W sky high at the addition of 7th drive. Antec took even the 8th and is still going strong.
They even have their cheapo crappy printers (~100 euros) and even those have much cheaper inks than HP's. Yes, the 100e printer is crap, but when I print one page every 2 months for personal use, it's irrelevant. I print anything needing high quality at work anyway:p
So yes, Canon rules. HP sucks, Lexmark sucks more. Epson is so-so (mostly because of high-priced inks, even if products are ok and they do not practice any crap like this)
Of course they do. Pro version is substantially more expensive, and offers just about zero features that a home user needs.
Not that a home user needs 64bit addressing anytime soon either. It's a nice feature in AMD64 CPUs since it basically doesn't cost you any extra, but offers nothing to an average home user right now.
Home edition users are out of luck at least for now. There is no AMD64 XP Home, and unsurprisingly MS won't give you free upgrade to AMD64 Pro version from a 32bit Home version.
In Finland carriers can't subsidize phones, as by law it's illegal to tie the phone and the subscription. If you offer a phone, the price and terms of sale must be same with or without subscription to any service, so you can't tie the two.
So phone manufacturers sell their phones. More features = more sales. They don't have to bend over for the carriers - they are not their customers. So if carrier would prefer that the phone doesn't have WiFi... well, tough, they don't have a say in it.
And we have pretty damn cheap airtime, as the only way carriers can compete for customers is by offering a good cheap product - they can't just toss a cooler phone free, tied to some stupid package that appears cheap, but ties you to one operator for x months (or years).
Sure, phones cost money. Shocker. Feature rich phones cost a lot of money. Double shocker. At the same time your phonebill isn't used to subsidize someone elses shiny new phone used to lure him to the crappy service that you are stuck with.
Well, I never used a modem after HST days were over.. got 128Kbit/128Kbit leased line to internet around the time, and that made modems obsolete to me. The little BBSing I did after that I could do with my old HST:)
So, since I never had a v.everything. So that may be the reason I still keep USR in high regard.
Actually, it originally was because there were no DVD-Rs. Back when DVD ripping started, there were no writable drives, so movies had to be compressed to usable form for CDs. For archiving / watching on standalone devices. That's why VCD was (and still is, to some extent) a commonly used format - it played fine on most standalone players, and movies could be packed to 2 CDs.
Nowdays most trade in full DVD-R images. Dual Layer DVD9 movies *are* still compressed/ripped so they fit to 4.7GB disc, but I expect even that to slowly phase out as dual layer media becomes cheaper. On the road there we'll start having two releases - one that is compressed to 4.7GB (with extras ripped etc.) and another as full 9GB 'untouched' release.
Yes, there is still a section of scene that keeps pumping out DIVX versions (usually compressed to fit to one CD) since they are still popular among the cheapskate kids whose moms and dads won't buy 'em DVDRW drives (and because we nowdays have many standalone players that play DIVX discs). Just like most PC games that come out in DVD get their 'CD rip'-versions. Over time it'll phase out, just like the rip versions from PC CD iso images phased out.
Yes, early telesyncs/telecines still get released as CD images since the picture quality doesn't gain anything from being encoded to DVD resolution/bitrate. Tho I think there already has been a few DVD-resolution copies off telecines. For telesyncs it won't be worth it anytime soon due to the limitations of the videocameras.
Actually, people kept using USRs for BBSes - they *worked*. Crap supras were genuine taiwanese crap - only cheapskates bought 'em. The modem was your *lifeline* in that stuff, and people knew quality.
The SysOp deals also meant that BBSes kept using USR so having 'just' a HST wasn't a problem. While most BBSes started using HST DS:es that also supported v32 and v32bis, every respectable site kept using USRobotics hardware for a long time. In fact, USR was the first to offer 28.8k too. Too bad the company went to crappers after the 'modem days' were over. I think 3Com bought it out...
Live far away from coasts of major seas - no risk from tsunamis or hurricanes etc. Live far away from tectonic plate edges - no earthquakes Skip living in known tornado-happy areas
Did I miss something major?
Sure, if a rock falls from the sky, and you happen to be under it, that would Suck(tm), but by choosing where to live you can cut down the risk of natural disasters greatly.
In fact, nordic countries (with the potential exception of coast of norway) are generally pretty bening areas. Lots of stable bedrock, no faultlines nearby (so earthquakes are almost unheard of). No tornadoes. No major storms - well, there are some, but beyond the norweigan coast the sea areas are not big enough to build up major hurricanes or anything like that. Only major natural disasters I can think of are spring floods caused by packed up ice chunks 'bottling up' major rivers, but even those are avoidable - don't live just a few meters above the water level of a nearby river - the flood risk areas are rather small.
In Finland a 'major natural disaster' equals to 'storm that toppled over some trees, cutting power from some areas and ripping up some poorly constructed roofs'. Nothing compared to the major stuff in many areas around the world.
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VERY long runway.
And that's where he started (because of the very long runway that was needed for takeoff).
And by the record rules, you have to start and land from the same airfield.
So what's the problem with re-encoding the show daily with new commercials inserted? (for the download version). So you get the commercials based on when you DL it.
Price of commercials on the very first days the DL is available would obiviously be more than ones that go with the show 2-3 weeks after initial release.
After the episode gets older, you sell 'long term' sponsor spots and archive it with that. Boilerplates with 'this episode was sponsored by '.
I doubt P2P distribution of commercial-stripped episodes would be that much of a problem if you could hassle-free download them legally.
All preinstall-OEM copies I've seen do *not* ask for the CD-key during installation, nor they need any activation - unless there is a major hardware change
RTFA
The change only relates to *preinstalled*, *pre-activated* copies of *major OEM builders*. Dells and such.
Hint: when you (re)install a Dell with the CD that came, you do not need to activate.
Now if you use the Product Key on the sticker of the Dell to install 'normal' Windows Home CD to another computer, it obiviously asks you to activate.
Difference is that the 'special' Dell OS CD is made for that Dell model, and preapproved as activated. Nobody should ever NEED to activate these copies when they are ran on the system they were sold with. And, lookie, OEM copies are supposed to be nontransferrable.
The idea is to stop the (common) cases of moving stickers from preinstalled Dells to other computers, and preloading OS using the key of the Dell. The original Dell user wont be needing the key - the recovery CD works fine without it - so people are reselling the stickers.
Now if you install a normal XP with a Dell key, you need to talk to MS and 'answer correctly' how you got the key.
Yes, its an exception.
That's because NCSoft distributed it themselves.
Retailers were EXTREMELY pissed off at launch, and the online purchase option was carefully hidden few days after launch, and it stayed hidden for a long time afterwards.
Nowdays they again offer the option openly, but make no mistake - retailers were NOT amused of the move.
Compared to Steam profits, no.
Most of the money from a box sale goes to the retailer and distributor. Valve way less than half of the box price.
Out of steam purchases, they got 100%. Sure, they had to pay for some bandwidth and other costs, but I'm quite sure online sales were way better deal.
For MMOs, the distributor deal might be so silly that the developer gets less than 10$/box (40-50$ retail).
Which part of 'a game' was too hard to understand?
Games are WAY diferent beasts that operating systems or applications. 90% of sales come from the first week, and if there is a downloadable option, it would SERIOUSLY eat on the sales of the boxed version.
Thank retailers/distributors for that. They want their cut off every box. Blizzard themselves are kinda screwed.
IF they skip the retailers/distributors, they risk getting way less exposure due to no box on the shelf
If they embrace the box distribution, they are tied to the limitations - namely, one account per purchased box, high price of the initial client/box, and full control of the distribution of the game accounts given to the distributor.
CORRECTION - should have said 'every *boxed* MMO launched, at launch'.
There are small-time download-only games, and some older titles entice people with free/nearly free downloadable copies. I was talking about games you buy off store shelves - all MMOs sold like this have the same CD-Key system.
The retailers/distributors would say 'fuck this' and junk the game off their shelves.
They want their cut of the 50$ for every new account. Otherwise they won't stock the box, and no box on shelves = way less sales, as lots of the lemmings can't figure out that you could *gasp* buy a game that isn't a box on a store shelf.
AO started as a boxed game. Yes, you can DL it nowdays.
Vendetta Online = never heard.
Earth and Beyond started as a boxed game.
I've bought and played boxes of... hmm.. Ultima Online, Dark age Of Camelot (+3 expansions), EQ, EQ2, AO, City of Heroes...
Yes, I've played a lot of them. Only downloadable ones were AO (after a long while) and City of Heroes - an ability that is well hidden and wasn't generally taken happily by the retailers who were trying to shift the boxes.
And even in the case of City of Heroes, the key is quite oneshot. Even without the box, the key I paid for was good for only the creation of one account.
Anarchy Online is probably the only major MMO that gives out accounts nowdays like candy - its part of their aggressive marketing campaing to stay alive with their aging game that is badly in need of a full recode of the whole client (and probably major bits of the server code).
Bingo. You get a license to do whatever you want with the coasters (within the limitations of the EULA). Sadly the content of the coasters does jack and shit without a personal account to the WoW gameservers (the service). Which you cannot transfer. Buying used MMOs is considered stupid due to this little fact, and known to all longtime players of the genre.
Idiot.
IF the CD-key had worked, what would've prevented you from creating multiple accounts with just one game?
I fail to understand how this 'key is *USED* for *GOOD* when its' registered to a new account'-concept is so hard for some people?
Maybe it's the crap microsoft/whatever 'cd key' systems where the key is mostly irrelevant - you can install multiple copies off same key anyway. Heck, the WinXP 'activation' has caught many morons off guard just as well - they happily go installing it to every relative thinking its just like Win98 was, and then cry foul when the activation tells them to go jump off a cliff after first few copies.
Simple.
The distributor gets the cash out of the box sales.
If accounts were free, or available from online, there would be no distribution of the box version. No distributor wants to touch a game that is available online cheaper (or even at same price, but 'easier').
And stupid people won't consider games they can't buy as a box from a store. No store visibility = way less subscribers.
Only when the game is dead as a doorknob as 'store boxed version', the sale / giveaway of accounts beings.
Basically they are feeding Vivendi Universal or whoever handles the distribution. VU has to get mucho money, so VU can be bothered to put the game on shelves, on magazine pages etc.
Yes, the whole store/boxes/crap model is outdated. I'd happily pay real money for games if I could actually download them at launch day, instead of waiting for ages for the stupid boxes to ship and arrive to stores. I paid for HL2, mostly because they allowed this. Yeah, steam is 'bad' or 'crappy' or whatever, but at least it works. I got the game on launch day, not a week late (hint: I don't live in the US), and I got it at a same price as the US customers got (no extra taxes, duties, shipping costs and other crap).
Hah.
Every MMO launched to date has a single-shot CD-key used to create an account. That means that the used game is worthless. The CD is unprotected and the contents are fairly easily obtainable. Only thing worth anything is the CD-Key, and that's good for only one use.
Yes, you could sell the game AND the account, but in WoW's case this is forbidden by EULA. You can whine all you want, but if they somehow allowed the re-use of the CD-Key, that would allow basically unlimited accounts out of one box. And whoever controls the account can play the game - box not required.
Don't buy used MMOs (returned/repackaged/'slightly used'). Any store with half a brain don't take returns of MMOs as once the key has been digged out of the box and copied down, the rest of the box/CD/Etc is quite worthless. CD-Key theft out of boxes in store shelves is a growing problem - many clueless salesdroids dont understand how the bunch of numbers on the paper is the only valuable bit of the game box, so if you buy an opened box, you risk getting a dud that may be painful to return. How do you prove you didn't use the key yourself?
Now is selling of such 'one-shot' products fine, trampling on the 'first sale' principle? That's whole another discussion. WoW is doing it just like every other game in the genre. And just about every single other game forbids sale of accounts. Others allow the sale of account + box together (only), but such trades are high-risk.
For example, in Dark Age of Camelot, whoever knows the 'secret word' inputted at character creation can at any time take ownership of the account (change PW, change any other details) by calling game billing support hotline. So even if you get the CDs, the box, the (worthless) CD-key, the user account and the password, if you don't know that you ALSO need a secret word (and you need to change it promptly by calling the company), your account can be taken back by the original owner, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Blizzard is just taking the easiest route - if you your account/password ends up in wrong hands, they wash their hands. Sale of accounts is not allowed, and basically whoever controls the username/PW 'owns' the account, and if you complain about account sale/trade issues, they just ban the account as account sales are not allowed. And yes, the box, the CD-Key and the media is totally useless and worthless once the account has been created.
Yep. Truepower 550W is a good one. Basically on antecs the TruePower line is good stuff, while the SmartPowers are more or less the usual low end junk.
I'm using Truepower 550W with Athlon64 3500+, 6800GT, 2GB RAM, Adaptec 19160 SCSI controller and *8* hard drives.
Still works. Same setup blew older Enermax 465W sky high at the addition of 7th drive. Antec took even the 8th and is still going strong.
They even have their cheapo crappy printers (~100 euros) and even those have much cheaper inks than HP's. Yes, the 100e printer is crap, but when I print one page every 2 months for personal use, it's irrelevant. I print anything needing high quality at work anyway :p
So yes, Canon rules. HP sucks, Lexmark sucks more. Epson is so-so (mostly because of high-priced inks, even if products are ok and they do not practice any crap like this)
Of course they do. Pro version is substantially more expensive, and offers just about zero features that a home user needs.
Not that a home user needs 64bit addressing anytime soon either. It's a nice feature in AMD64 CPUs since it basically doesn't cost you any extra, but offers nothing to an average home user right now.
32bit version of XP _Pro_
Home edition users are out of luck at least for now. There is no AMD64 XP Home, and unsurprisingly MS won't give you free upgrade to AMD64 Pro version from a 32bit Home version.
Why buy subsidized crap phones?
In Finland carriers can't subsidize phones, as by law it's illegal to tie the phone and the subscription. If you offer a phone, the price and terms of sale must be same with or without subscription to any service, so you can't tie the two.
So phone manufacturers sell their phones. More features = more sales. They don't have to bend over for the carriers - they are not their customers. So if carrier would prefer that the phone doesn't have WiFi... well, tough, they don't have a say in it.
And we have pretty damn cheap airtime, as the only way carriers can compete for customers is by offering a good cheap product - they can't just toss a cooler phone free, tied to some stupid package that appears cheap, but ties you to one operator for x months (or years).
Sure, phones cost money. Shocker. Feature rich phones cost a lot of money. Double shocker. At the same time your phonebill isn't used to subsidize someone elses shiny new phone used to lure him to the crappy service that you are stuck with.
Copying is bad. Someone call the FBI... :p
Well, I never used a modem after HST days were over.. got 128Kbit/128Kbit leased line to internet around the time, and that made modems obsolete to me. The little BBSing I did after that I could do with my old HST :)
So, since I never had a v.everything. So that may be the reason I still keep USR in high regard.
Actually, it originally was because there were no DVD-Rs. Back when DVD ripping started, there were no writable drives, so movies had to be compressed to usable form for CDs. For archiving / watching on standalone devices. That's why VCD was (and still is, to some extent) a commonly used format - it played fine on most standalone players, and movies could be packed to 2 CDs.
Nowdays most trade in full DVD-R images. Dual Layer DVD9 movies *are* still compressed/ripped so they fit to 4.7GB disc, but I expect even that to slowly phase out as dual layer media becomes cheaper. On the road there we'll start having two releases - one that is compressed to 4.7GB (with extras ripped etc.) and another as full 9GB 'untouched' release.
Yes, there is still a section of scene that keeps pumping out DIVX versions (usually compressed to fit to one CD) since they are still popular among the cheapskate kids whose moms and dads won't buy 'em DVDRW drives (and because we nowdays have many standalone players that play DIVX discs). Just like most PC games that come out in DVD get their 'CD rip'-versions. Over time it'll phase out, just like the rip versions from PC CD iso images phased out.
Yes, early telesyncs/telecines still get released as CD images since the picture quality doesn't gain anything from being encoded to DVD resolution/bitrate. Tho I think there already has been a few DVD-resolution copies off telecines. For telesyncs it won't be worth it anytime soon due to the limitations of the videocameras.
Actually, people kept using USRs for BBSes - they *worked*. Crap supras were genuine taiwanese crap - only cheapskates bought 'em. The modem was your *lifeline* in that stuff, and people knew quality.
The SysOp deals also meant that BBSes kept using USR so having 'just' a HST wasn't a problem. While most BBSes started using HST DS:es that also supported v32 and v32bis, every respectable site kept using USRobotics hardware for a long time. In fact, USR was the first to offer 28.8k too. Too bad the company went to crappers after the 'modem days' were over. I think 3Com bought it out...
Huh?
Live far away from coasts of major seas - no risk from tsunamis or hurricanes etc.
Live far away from tectonic plate edges - no earthquakes
Skip living in known tornado-happy areas
Did I miss something major?
Sure, if a rock falls from the sky, and you happen to be under it, that would Suck(tm), but by choosing where to live you can cut down the risk of natural disasters greatly.
In fact, nordic countries (with the potential exception of coast of norway) are generally pretty bening areas. Lots of stable bedrock, no faultlines nearby (so earthquakes are almost unheard of). No tornadoes. No major storms - well, there are some, but beyond the norweigan coast the sea areas are not big enough to build up major hurricanes or anything like that. Only major natural disasters I can think of are spring floods caused by packed up ice chunks 'bottling up' major rivers, but even those are avoidable - don't live just a few meters above the water level of a nearby river - the flood risk areas are rather small.
In Finland a 'major natural disaster' equals to 'storm that toppled over some trees, cutting power from some areas and ripping up some poorly constructed roofs'. Nothing compared to the major stuff in many areas around the world.