And I would go after you, not the next one in deriving comments. I DO believe, that it is possible to remain uncorrupt ant still REMAIN.
After all, the hero is always one, who breaks the patterns, and escapes FREE. Free to serve community (and himself), the best possible way.
I never believed in those, who wanted to lock me into similar pattern, it always was THEM, who were afraid. And, heck, I even managed to be afloat with money. You choose now.
>>> I STILL HATE TODAY'S SLASHDOT FUN-RANKING SYSTEM. IS IT ANECDOTE COMPETITION, AFTER ALL? IT LOOKS LIKE ONE. WHILE/. IS MY DAILY, WHAT A PAIN.
"high voter turnout in this month's elections... how is that a bad thing?"
well, this social + Internet stuff is exactly what I am into last years (after free software heat dissipated somewhat).
It is very interesting material, in this post, actually - in the other corner of Central Europe, I am experiencing very similar tendency to rage at politicians. Everybody DOES receives signals about corrupt politicians very well these days, and part of those signals are due to media readyness for SENSATIONS, nonetheless. While freedom of communication makes people ABLE to STRIKE BACK. While politicians IN GENERAL do not practice hanging on the net. You see?
Therefore, high voter turn-out (in case that means high participation), does NOT mean they were better informed, than media SENSATIONS let them be. And, thus, we really have spot to pay attention to, and title of post is not that far from the truth: we are experiencing phenomena in politics, caused by new qualities of new media.
Anybody to raise my karma for this insight?;-)
>>> I DO HATE THAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, THEY PRACTICE ON SLASHDOT!!!
'get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation.' - as much, as it is innovation, and not speculation on market dominance.
Nothing else, but jewish-inventive speculation on chosen genre+territory. Genre is low, it's lowest (not new for Sasha). Territory is nearly most exotic: unknown asian corners of former russian empire. So EXOTIC! So HELLOWEEN!
Never mind. This Mahir guy remains more original, and that's about it. (weee-wee-wee;don't cry)
Surprised, or not, it is THAT important. You could stand 9/11 reports here? Which were IRRELEVANT to THAT shameful sentence. Go, count Bush introduced dead bodies and those, the mess behind will ask for, too.
1. Essential there might be blowing idea of RECORD package: slimmer or extended, whatever is needed to reflect concept of RECORD, the way LPs excited. Experimented. Designed.
2. Additional capabilities stuff: higher quality sound burned in (kinda hybrid SACD), visual - DVD disc in the package or similar. Visual line is seen as very perspective by me, being quite buying recods fan, I find DVD instance usually winning over parallel CD issue - it has more and of better quality.
3. Connection things: real signature, photo of performer's kid, family, some jokes, original arts, first hands designed creativity.
4. Goodwill proofs: when I see artist achieving extremely low pricing for his best record, I know he accomplished and challenged something. Used to buy and recommend such record as very reasonable and worth. Hold greed, even fragmentically; explore us new artists. People could pirate books, magazines and newspapers alot, but they rarely do - pricing SHOULD be inviting, not punishing.
This is last one, because more just does not make sense, even if you find some satisfaction, in what you manage to produce.
Which is not to say that Apple should make its software run on generic PCs from Dell. They could partner with Dell to provide machines that were certified to run OS X and even sell them through the Apple store. Gartner only said that they believed Dell could offer Apple a lower cost structure that would make Apple more competitive. Perhaps you should think harder.
Which is further nonsense, as Apple is not competing in PC market, as Dell does, you see. It competes on UNIQUE PRODUCTS, that create their own markets (OK, partially, but I want to underscore importance of DIFFERENCE IN VERY METHOD) because of innovative qualities. And, as a consequence, Apple DOES NOT CARE about cost structure in same terms, Dell is forced to (and succeeded for a while with now very questioned future). And Apple SHOULD NOT sacrifice those comfortable margins, they have now, should not sacrifice that METHOD of doing stuff. Which would be the case, if they dump hardware part. They have one of best OS instances right now, but customer is seduced NOT BY THAT. What software iPod runs, do you even KNOW, and you are geek, you must suppose. Shallow one.
Meanwhile, manufacturing of iPod IS successfully outsourced. Though you are not supposed to know any other brand behind that - that's not your business. There is no place for TWO brands, at least not now, under current IDEA. Dell could help almost any PC company, Dell is incapable helping Apple along Gartner proposal - that's it. And Apple is well on the tide right now, in much different position, than companies, that started from dismantling themselves, as a way of survival. Which helped them way shorter, than they expected.
>>"Have you seen in the same comments - people are laughing at the clues this tank spews. This is NOT analysis of any worthy level."
You believe that, since you disagree with Gartner, they must know nothing about product.
They do not get at all current IDEA of THAT PARTICULAR company, which is centered around very specific mindset of very particular persons (and that leaving aside mindset and character of employees and expanding base of fans = customers). Those at Gartner, obviously, counted only some average industry mechanics, but NOT ESSENTIALS.
You are as big an idiot as the original poster then, and a far poorer communicator as well.
Not me, boy - it will be first time, I'll allow myself naming YOU an idiot. But by now at least I know for certain, you deserved it.
Too bad your 20 years experience have taught you nothing.
Another nonsense - it just does not work that way. Even if it seems to you so, or you wish it was so - things just are as they should be, regardless of your abilities in that particular case.
Really? The mac is over two decades old. It is plodding along; becoming less differentiated all the time.
Just like other players in personal computing, some just not in the same healthy shape anymore, right? What company in this industry is capable making periodic announcements, that DO resonate, because still can proudly show innovation? After all those decades it is not so easy, and demanded attitude all along (which even Apple could have been missing by now). FYI: I am 20 years in this field, started with DEC machines and teaching children system programming on Apple II, so you would be more informed what is appropriate to allow yourself.
Woohoo! Just like everything else.
Eeeeexactly! You either are starting to get it or just allowing yourself to better move away whistling? Either is good enough.
It IS about sparks in the product, and keeping it and bringing all along EXCLUSIVELY, not about dull recommendation to use some mechanics, that brave "analysts" found possible. Nonsense. They DO NOT GET APPLE PRODUCT. They got their recommendation of no value, that's what they got themselves.
And all this, while typing it on a quality PC notebook, what a misery - or could I be blamed applehead even so? You know better.
>> "Apple EVENTUALLY seeking channels of Dell because of (good!) Intel processor (or what?)."
This was never claimed by anyone. Perhaps you need a remedial reading class.
"surprisingly ambitious report" - read this yourself.
"Gartner says Apple should concentrate on what it does best -- create software -- and make use of Dell's production and distribution infrastructure" - and this.
"Intel is unlikely to continue to subsidise Apple, the analyst argues" - this, too
What have you been reading before? Only that sentence of yours, that Gartner knows what product is? Have you seen in the same comments - people are laughing at the clues this tank spews. This is NOT analysis of any worthy level.
And the remainder deserves returning back to you:
What nonsense am I talking? That Gartner DOES know what a product is? I've never defended their position but I do take offense to idiotic comments.
You are free to stop, but please learn to read. No need to continue proving yourself a fool.
You think it's some obscure computer that they haven't figured out yet?
Yep! It is phenomenon, engineering, creative approach thing, that did not happen before in exact context, it is still being CREATED right now. It happens right now, tomorrow, cannot yet be analysed, because it didn't happen yet. Open for opportunities, throw yours into, y'know!
And, heck, it belongs right to comics corner: Apple EVENTUALLY seeking channels of Dell because of (good!) Intel processor (or what?). Why both of you are talking nonsense? I knew Dell a little, ir was (and remains) miles away from Apple stuff. I don't believe this kind of joking even belongs in the forecoming season of helloween? Why do I have to insult you? I do not want it at all. Let's stop here, please.
You are open to be surprised even by extent of this more.;-)
I'd say Apple practices such phenomenal approach to product in context of overall state of this industry for today, that any average think-tank is easy to be mislead by own cooking on averages of industry. My guess is, Gartner does not getthis product, which is quite relevant, discussing this article.
I for one agree. There really is no difference between a Mac and any PC now. It's all the same hardware in a slightly fancier case that costs you a bit more than a not so fancy case.
Case alone (speak PACKAGING) very well makes part of PRODUCT, of OFFER. Plenty of devices use the same capacitors, other components - but difference is not there, right? It is attention to detail, concept, achieved qualities. There hardly was time, when the kind of (increasingly successful) Apple business would be so obvious, as it is now. Integrity of experience. Total control over PRODUCT design and manufacturing. Apple already practices outsourcing of manufacturing, thus Gartner questions supply of only one component in favor of recently troublesome Dell? Brave of them. When did Apple even compete on "rock bottom" price? MP3 player market is EXCELLENT illustration of situation, after all.
Right now Apple's hardware is really limiting as it does not have near the flexibility for a BIY or allowing for a good margin of tweaking. - so is Windows OS.
As it was noticed elsewhere in comments here, Peter was throwing possibility to toy with fragments of his music long long ago on his game-experience PC CDs. However, there is no point in claiming "getting first there" - creativity is not patented nor disputed kind of activity, lucky circumstance. And naming Peter Gabriel not innovative enough is plain absurd - he always was.
FUN games, that's it! Never other console, occasionaly seen on display, got me hooked like DC. Actually, my children and their friends and classmates are often spending time in front of it - almost daily activity for quite some years now (so good, dad had second console in place to repair dead one, actually, started looking for third, in case). All four controllers are connected and ready to multiply FUN. And that is not dull personal sitting in front of PC, it is joy and emotions - natural for most, if not all DC titles. DC could have been monetary failure, but as gaming achievement - IMHO (and I find myself being big fan of other gaming forms, too), it is definite, bright and lasting.
Sonic Adventure should have been mentioned (while version 2 might not), or does it not pass certain criterion?
By coincidence, I came over Gaiman books just a month ago, and picked both of those available at shop: "American Gods" and "Anansi Boys". This does not happen often at all, but poking into text led to it. IMHO those are of finest quality popular contemporary texts. Heck, he even plays with russian characters' naming as he would well know what he is doing - amazingly correct there and imaginative at full.
By now, intrigued, I saw and was impressed by "Mirror Mask" film - it is very successful visual representation of his fantasms. Static visual works are also excellent (and pretty dynamic!), so we have well talented artist to love.
And as he worked several directions (audio books, them too) - various people will, naturaly, be most impressed by the form, that suits them most.
I'd share certain criticism about how perfect Slashdot moderation is. But, essence of this scheme can be effectively applied on other scale and other ways. Probably even with better effect, why not. Idea of "karma" is to reflect accumulated competence speaking to the point, and making good ones (in theory). In particular, amongst other beforementioned imperfections of slashdot, I see insufficient use of inertia, when certain short replica of irony can be misunderstood and drop your "karma" quickly to Bad, OTOH some fun-fun-fun replica, supposedly, have sudden opposite effect. Too much concentration on momental wording, IMHO.
I'd suggest caring more about longevity of accumulation of competence - then occasional passers by might be very naturally not entitled to the same status, like oldtimers, wise-speakers. However, if newcomer is speaking wisely, he could accumulate competence points relatively fast. Ensuring this accumulation, and then making use of it by giving certain powers, like those of moderation - should work quite well for smaller communities.
Your comment is based on assumption, that war would happen the way we knew it. But it would be another kind of war, the smart war. No tradition, no moral anymore: plain smart war - who is first to win, fast. No realtime manufacturing involved, no time for that, all tools prepared. Bad, bad stuff.
Nevertheless, I support your insight of entering different state of global system (and state U.S. finds itself in), and I call it experimental to denote, that explanations, we are presented with by globalists are too weak to be treated as any forcasts.
Perfect capitalism (aided by globalization) can do little with encouraging competition or markets. It is more interested in being first, grabbing total control.
Slashdot Mirror
Best, they could mark it, would be unrecognizable, but attention demanding signs - just because "well recognizable" means less demanding...
We demand attention and care here, in Europe, nonetheless!\\
And I would go after you, not the next one in deriving comments. I DO believe, that it is possible to remain uncorrupt ant still REMAIN.
/. IS MY DAILY, WHAT A PAIN.
After all, the hero is always one, who breaks the patterns, and escapes FREE. Free to serve community (and himself), the best possible way.
I never believed in those, who wanted to lock me into similar pattern, it always was THEM, who were afraid. And, heck, I even managed to be afloat with money. You choose now.
>>> I STILL HATE TODAY'S SLASHDOT FUN-RANKING SYSTEM. IS IT ANECDOTE COMPETITION, AFTER ALL? IT LOOKS LIKE ONE. WHILE
"high voter turnout in this month's elections ... how is that a bad thing?"
;-)
well, this social + Internet stuff is exactly what I am into last years (after free software heat dissipated somewhat).
It is very interesting material, in this post, actually - in the other corner of Central Europe, I am experiencing very similar tendency to rage at politicians. Everybody DOES receives signals about corrupt politicians very well these days, and part of those signals are due to media readyness for SENSATIONS, nonetheless. While freedom of communication makes people ABLE to STRIKE BACK. While politicians IN GENERAL do not practice hanging on the net. You see?
Therefore, high voter turn-out (in case that means high participation), does NOT mean they were better informed, than media SENSATIONS let them be. And, thus, we really have spot to pay attention to, and title of post is not that far from the truth: we are experiencing phenomena in politics, caused by new qualities of new media.
Anybody to raise my karma for this insight?
>>> I DO HATE THAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, THEY PRACTICE ON SLASHDOT!!!
'get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation.' - as much, as it is innovation, and not speculation on market dominance.
Nothing else, but jewish-inventive speculation on chosen genre+territory. Genre is low, it's lowest (not new for Sasha). Territory is nearly most exotic: unknown asian corners of former russian empire. So EXOTIC! So HELLOWEEN!
Never mind. This Mahir guy remains more original, and that's about it. (weee-wee-wee;don't cry)
Surprised, or not, it is THAT important. You could stand 9/11 reports here? Which were IRRELEVANT to THAT shameful sentence. Go, count Bush introduced dead bodies and those, the mess behind will ask for, too.
No simplified answer here, fellow geek.
- that's it. Muscles for what, punching keys?
1. Essential there might be blowing idea of RECORD package: slimmer or extended, whatever is needed to reflect concept of RECORD, the way LPs excited. Experimented. Designed.
2. Additional capabilities stuff: higher quality sound burned in (kinda hybrid SACD), visual - DVD disc in the package or similar. Visual line is seen as very perspective by me, being quite buying recods fan, I find DVD instance usually winning over parallel CD issue - it has more and of better quality.
3. Connection things: real signature, photo of performer's kid, family, some jokes, original arts, first hands designed creativity.
4. Goodwill proofs: when I see artist achieving extremely low pricing for his best record, I know he accomplished and challenged something. Used to buy and recommend such record as very reasonable and worth. Hold greed, even fragmentically; explore us new artists. People could pirate books, magazines and newspapers alot, but they rarely do - pricing SHOULD be inviting, not punishing.
Don't judge rough - they were just at .065-micron today
> Any bets on what the fortunate accident was?
conquer mp3 market and expose to plenty of new fans of DIFFERENCE
This is last one, because more just does not make sense, even if you find some satisfaction, in what you manage to produce.
Which is not to say that Apple should make its software run on generic PCs from Dell. They could partner with Dell to provide machines that were certified to run OS X and even sell them through the Apple store. Gartner only said that they believed Dell could offer Apple a lower cost structure that would make Apple more competitive. Perhaps you should think harder.
Which is further nonsense, as Apple is not competing in PC market, as Dell does, you see. It competes on UNIQUE PRODUCTS, that create their own markets (OK, partially, but I want to underscore importance of DIFFERENCE IN VERY METHOD) because of innovative qualities. And, as a consequence, Apple DOES NOT CARE about cost structure in same terms, Dell is forced to (and succeeded for a while with now very questioned future). And Apple SHOULD NOT sacrifice those comfortable margins, they have now, should not sacrifice that METHOD of doing stuff. Which would be the case, if they dump hardware part. They have one of best OS instances right now, but customer is seduced NOT BY THAT. What software iPod runs, do you even KNOW, and you are geek, you must suppose. Shallow one.
Meanwhile, manufacturing of iPod IS successfully outsourced. Though you are not supposed to know any other brand behind that - that's not your business. There is no place for TWO brands, at least not now, under current IDEA. Dell could help almost any PC company, Dell is incapable helping Apple along Gartner proposal - that's it. And Apple is well on the tide right now, in much different position, than companies, that started from dismantling themselves, as a way of survival. Which helped them way shorter, than they expected.
>>"Have you seen in the same comments - people are laughing at the clues this tank spews. This is NOT analysis of any worthy level."
You believe that, since you disagree with Gartner, they must know nothing about product.
They do not get at all current IDEA of THAT PARTICULAR company, which is centered around very specific mindset of very particular persons (and that leaving aside mindset and character of employees and expanding base of fans = customers). Those at Gartner, obviously, counted only some average industry mechanics, but NOT ESSENTIALS.
You are as big an idiot as the original poster then, and a far poorer communicator as well.
Not me, boy - it will be first time, I'll allow myself naming YOU an idiot. But by now at least I know for certain, you deserved it.
Too bad your 20 years experience have taught you nothing.
Another nonsense - it just does not work that way. Even if it seems to you so, or you wish it was so - things just are as they should be, regardless of your abilities in that particular case.
Really? The mac is over two decades old. It is plodding along; becoming less differentiated all the time.
Just like other players in personal computing, some just not in the same healthy shape anymore, right? What company in this industry is capable making periodic announcements, that DO resonate, because still can proudly show innovation? After all those decades it is not so easy, and demanded attitude all along (which even Apple could have been missing by now). FYI: I am 20 years in this field, started with DEC machines and teaching children system programming on Apple II, so you would be more informed what is appropriate to allow yourself.
Woohoo! Just like everything else.
Eeeeexactly! You either are starting to get it or just allowing yourself to better move away whistling? Either is good enough.
It IS about sparks in the product, and keeping it and bringing all along EXCLUSIVELY, not about dull recommendation to use some mechanics, that brave "analysts" found possible. Nonsense. They DO NOT GET APPLE PRODUCT. They got their recommendation of no value, that's what they got themselves.
And all this, while typing it on a quality PC notebook, what a misery - or could I be blamed applehead even so? You know better.
>> "Apple EVENTUALLY seeking channels of Dell because of (good!) Intel processor (or what?)."
This was never claimed by anyone. Perhaps you need a remedial reading class.
"surprisingly ambitious report" - read this yourself.
"Gartner says Apple should concentrate on what it does best -- create software -- and make use of Dell's production and distribution infrastructure" - and this.
"Intel is unlikely to continue to subsidise Apple, the analyst argues" - this, too
What have you been reading before? Only that sentence of yours, that Gartner knows what product is? Have you seen in the same comments - people are laughing at the clues this tank spews. This is NOT analysis of any worthy level.
And the remainder deserves returning back to you:
What nonsense am I talking? That Gartner DOES know what a product is? I've never defended their position but I do take offense to idiotic comments.
You are free to stop, but please learn to read. No need to continue proving yourself a fool.
You think it's some obscure computer that they haven't figured out yet?
Yep! It is phenomenon, engineering, creative approach thing, that did not happen before in exact context, it is still being CREATED right now. It happens right now, tomorrow, cannot yet be analysed, because it didn't happen yet. Open for opportunities, throw yours into, y'know!
And, heck, it belongs right to comics corner: Apple EVENTUALLY seeking channels of Dell because of (good!) Intel processor (or what?). Why both of you are talking nonsense? I knew Dell a little, ir was (and remains) miles away from Apple stuff. I don't believe this kind of joking even belongs in the forecoming season of helloween? Why do I have to insult you? I do not want it at all. Let's stop here, please.
You are open to be surprised even by extent of this more. ;-)
I'd say Apple practices such phenomenal approach to product in context of overall state of this industry for today, that any average think-tank is easy to be mislead by own cooking on averages of industry. My guess is, Gartner does not get this product, which is quite relevant, discussing this article.
The point is, the minute apple starts making it possible to run OS X on a beige box, I will be an Apple customer.
They would just need to make clear statement of what you should put into that box.
Like their advice or not, I'm certain Gartner knows what a product is.
I would be not so certain Gartner could make better Apple
I for one agree. There really is no difference between a Mac and any PC now. It's all the same hardware in a slightly fancier case that costs you a bit more than a not so fancy case.
Case alone (speak PACKAGING) very well makes part of PRODUCT, of OFFER. Plenty of devices use the same capacitors, other components - but difference is not there, right? It is attention to detail, concept, achieved qualities. There hardly was time, when the kind of (increasingly successful) Apple business would be so obvious, as it is now. Integrity of experience. Total control over PRODUCT design and manufacturing. Apple already practices outsourcing of manufacturing, thus Gartner questions supply of only one component in favor of recently troublesome Dell? Brave of them. When did Apple even compete on "rock bottom" price? MP3 player market is EXCELLENT illustration of situation, after all.
Right now Apple's hardware is really limiting as it does not have near the flexibility for a BIY or allowing for a good margin of tweaking. - so is Windows OS.
Well, some online citizen also expose sheer greed never purchasing items of artists they "love", happy with lossy formats, lossy lives.
As it was noticed elsewhere in comments here, Peter was throwing possibility to toy with fragments of his music long long ago on his game-experience PC CDs. However, there is no point in claiming "getting first there" - creativity is not patented nor disputed kind of activity, lucky circumstance. And naming Peter Gabriel not innovative enough is plain absurd - he always was.
FUN games, that's it! Never other console, occasionaly seen on display, got me hooked like DC. Actually, my children and their friends and classmates are often spending time in front of it - almost daily activity for quite some years now (so good, dad had second console in place to repair dead one, actually, started looking for third, in case). All four controllers are connected and ready to multiply FUN. And that is not dull personal sitting in front of PC, it is joy and emotions - natural for most, if not all DC titles. DC could have been monetary failure, but as gaming achievement - IMHO (and I find myself being big fan of other gaming forms, too), it is definite, bright and lasting.
Sonic Adventure should have been mentioned (while version 2 might not), or does it not pass certain criterion?
By coincidence, I came over Gaiman books just a month ago, and picked both of those available at shop: "American Gods" and "Anansi Boys". This does not happen often at all, but poking into text led to it. IMHO those are of finest quality popular contemporary texts. Heck, he even plays with russian characters' naming as he would well know what he is doing - amazingly correct there and imaginative at full.
By now, intrigued, I saw and was impressed by "Mirror Mask" film - it is very successful visual representation of his fantasms. Static visual works are also excellent (and pretty dynamic!), so we have well talented artist to love.
And as he worked several directions (audio books, them too) - various people will, naturaly, be most impressed by the form, that suits them most.
mee too: just finished GIMP editing session, that would be crazy to do without Virtual Dimension. Must be what you are looking for.
I'd share certain criticism about how perfect Slashdot moderation is. But, essence of this scheme can be effectively applied on other scale and other ways. Probably even with better effect, why not. Idea of "karma" is to reflect accumulated competence speaking to the point, and making good ones (in theory). In particular, amongst other beforementioned imperfections of slashdot, I see insufficient use of inertia, when certain short replica of irony can be misunderstood and drop your "karma" quickly to Bad, OTOH some fun-fun-fun replica, supposedly, have sudden opposite effect. Too much concentration on momental wording, IMHO.
I'd suggest caring more about longevity of accumulation of competence - then occasional passers by might be very naturally not entitled to the same status, like oldtimers, wise-speakers. However, if newcomer is speaking wisely, he could accumulate competence points relatively fast. Ensuring this accumulation, and then making use of it by giving certain powers, like those of moderation - should work quite well for smaller communities.
Your comment is based on assumption, that war would happen the way we knew it. But it would be another kind of war, the smart war. No tradition, no moral anymore: plain smart war - who is first to win, fast. No realtime manufacturing involved, no time for that, all tools prepared. Bad, bad stuff.
Nevertheless, I support your insight of entering different state of global system (and state U.S. finds itself in), and I call it experimental to denote, that explanations, we are presented with by globalists are too weak to be treated as any forcasts.
Perfect capitalism (aided by globalization) can do little with encouraging competition or markets. It is more interested in being first, grabbing total control.