How exactly did MS swallow "the BSD"? Last time I checked, BSD projects and communities were as strong as ever. If MS chose to use BSD code in their product, good for them! The end result is less crappy code.
You're justifying Michael's uncivil behavior. Your assertion that his public flogging of Marcus was an "obligation to post publicly that the code was GPL licensed" is complete nonsense. It's well documented that the bcm43xx drivers are GPL, both on the project website and in the code itself. I shall repeat myself one last time, since your ability to comprehend the written word pales in comparison to writing it; everyone in the OpenBSD camp admitted Marcus' mistake. The problem was simply that Michael chose to grandstand in front of his colleagues, presumably to embarrass a non-GPL developer.
You chose to grandstand, rather than act civilly and contact the developer off-list. Marcus already apologized for his mistake. He even deleted the entire driver from the tree. You've never apologized for being an ass, and I suspect you never will.
I made the following comments at the OpenBSD Journal, but I think they are valid and should be heard amongst the Linux zealotry.
Nobody disputes that GPL code was committed to OpenBSD CVS.
Nobody disputes that this was in violation of your license.
Nobody disputes that the bcm43xx code was a cleanroom implementation that took a long time to complete.
Nobody disputes that Michael Buesch was one of the authors of said code.
None of these facts are relevant to the discussion. The sole issue is that Michael Buesch made a public spectacle out of Marcus' mistake. It should have been addressed privately between developers, and then broadcast publicly if discussions were unsuccessful. Regardless of whether you believe Marcus' actions were a mistake or a theft, you must give someone with his track record the benefit of the doubt. By embarrassing him publicly, Michael destroyed Marcus' motivation to work in bcw(4) and benefit the non-GPL user communities.
Even Jeff Garzik, one of the bcm43xx developers, admitted that Michael's actions were wrong. It's unfortunate that Michael Beusch is more concerned about defending his actions than correcting the injustice.
I've got a 15GB G3 iPod. I use it with my 12" G4 Powerbook. 90% of the music on either device was ripped from my own personal CD's, the other 9.99999% from the Apple Music Store via iTunes. I have _maybe_ 3 songs that were downloaded via P2P.
To suggest that only iPod users are thieves is ludicrous. FUD at its best.
Actually, spamd is known as a "tarpitting" approach. It uses a PF table of CIDR blocks based on the RBL's to cause the relay servers' mail spools to back up indefinitely.
Greylisting is a newer feature to spamd, providing the ability to whitelist once the sender retransmits after a temporary failure. This feature was added to spamd by Bob Beck on 2/26/04.
Actually, if you have 3 IP's, you could just build yourself an OpenBSD transparent bridge. The bridge doesn't need an IP address on either interface, so you'd be able to use all 3 for your internal machines.
Unless, of course, you have more than 3 machines (and who doesn't?). The next best solution, in the short term, as you've mentioned, is a proxy.
I was wondering this just the other day. I found a "developer's" version that costs under $100, but I can't find the damn page anymore! Grr.
They also have AS running in the HP Test Drive site (http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/). Unfortunately, it appears that Test Drive registration is disabled until the end of this week.
Nobody is changing the way the content is distributed. Rather, they are providing an avenue... a bridge, if you were... to the distributor. The copyright regulations you're referring to protect against plagarism or re-distribution of said content. For example, if I was to pull down just the article content, but not the advertising, and post them (as my own or as with the author's permission) on my site. That is not the case here.
That was Beast Wars. A really good example of mainstream CG for TV. I hate that they killed off the show... one of the few TF series that really carried a good plot. And some of the toys (RatPack, for example) kicked major ass.
Does anyone remember the Robotech rip-off jet they had back in the day? I would KILL for one of those right now.
BeProductive isn't yet available for Linux... this is a Windows-only release and review. According to the company's older press release (August 2001), the Linux version is expected shortly after the Windows version.
Maybe you should read the article more closely. The article describes Oracle's own migration off Sun servers [internally] onto Linux servers. This has nothing to do with their product offering, as the previous poster is alluding to.
In my humble opinion, 2.4 is prime for the desktop. Linux is more than ready for the desktop. I know he says it's ready for the desktop, but not ready for high end systems. To me 'high-end' is what you ask of a computer. I've got a 333MHZ running Red Hat 7.2.
Sorry, you don't have any idea what high-end means to the enterprise world. This means supporting GB-TB's of I/O and network activity daily, constant loads in excess of 10-20, DoS attacks, load-sharing, SMP, databases serving out GB+ size table entries, etc.
Granted, support for your (and mine) little desktop accessories, USB devices, etc., are nice and wonderful, but they aren't the things that keep Alan and Linus up late at night with mad patching episodes.
You'll probably find yourself "backdoor'd" into it... I know I did.
I was actually interested in programming at the time. I did plenty of research into compilers and such for the Windows platform, and found out what a crappy experience it would have been. Started reading a lot about this "Lee-nucks" Operating System... decided to finally bite the bullet and dual-boot my win95 box with RedHat 5.2 (boxed version).
That was about 4 years ago. Next thing I knew, certain projects (web servers, ftp servers [ick!], remote access [ssh], perl/shell scripting, databases, networking, firewalls, VPN's... were filling up my time and my knowledge base. The drive to continually learn more and more about *nix drove me to try other OS's as well: Solaris, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BeOS, etc.
I finally managed to get a Systems Engineer position (read: glorified SysAdmin with networking abilities) with a [non-dot-com] startup during the dotcom boom that really blossomed my experience with Sun and Alpha Hardware. This alone will probably help me get my foot into more doors than anything else I've accomplished (before or since). It also gave me plenty of opportunity to refine my perl and shell scripting, as well as network troubleshooting (learn tcpdump... love tcpdump!).
Moral of the story- if you really want to do it, it's never too late, but it will definitely make it more difficult... on a geometrically progressive scale. Get in the industry as someone's Jr. whipping boy and you should be ok. I'm almost 30 myself, but I still garner my share of respect from my younger peers... as long as you show the desire to learn and expand your knowledge base, you'll be ok.
Of course, that doesn't mean you're not allowed to be a prima donna as well.;-)
Right now they need to concentrate on what will bring in the most money the fastest.That's PC's with Windows,
Wrong. PC's are in a shrinking market. No sales anywhere to be found. Where have you been for the last 12 months?
... peripherals
Again, you're incorrect. There is near-minimal profit on their retail printer/scanner lines.
... scientific equipment
Perhaps.
Supporting Linux.. is not the best use of their limited resources.
"limited" resources??? Surely you jest. Which resources are you referring to? Cash? Have you looked at either company's quarterly report? People? They're laying off 4-5 figures' worth of employees post-merger. You call that a shortage of resources?
If you'd read the article carefully, you would have noted that the author mentioned that HP/C would have to continue servicing/supporting the existing OS contracts... it's just that they should discontinue funding R&D of these OS's.
"I don't believe open source works well for commercial companies because they can't control schedules,"...
Oh please. Since when have coporations been able to control, to any success, the schedule or direction of a group project? C'mon, you want to point to Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, etc. as examples? So be it...
You obviously don't get around much. Most of the "open-sourcers" that I know prefer FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD... and even NeXT.;-)
I'd be interested in gauging the experience levels of your "open-sourcer" buddies... perhaps even hearing how you define an "open-sourcer".
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Linux users hate Microsoft.
FreeBSD users hate Linux.
OpenBSD users love UNIX.
How exactly did MS swallow "the BSD"? Last time I checked, BSD projects and communities were as strong as ever. If MS chose to use BSD code in their product, good for them! The end result is less crappy code.
Bruce:
You're justifying Michael's uncivil behavior. Your assertion that his public flogging of Marcus was an "obligation to post publicly that the code was GPL licensed" is complete nonsense. It's well documented that the bcm43xx drivers are GPL, both on the project website and in the code itself. I shall repeat myself one last time, since your ability to comprehend the written word pales in comparison to writing it; everyone in the OpenBSD camp admitted Marcus' mistake. The problem was simply that Michael chose to grandstand in front of his colleagues, presumably to embarrass a non-GPL developer.
Best Wishes,
Jason
You chose to grandstand, rather than act civilly and contact the developer off-list. Marcus already apologized for his mistake. He even deleted the entire driver from the tree. You've never apologized for being an ass, and I suspect you never will.
I made the following comments at the OpenBSD Journal, but I think they are valid and should be heard amongst the Linux zealotry.
None of these facts are relevant to the discussion. The sole issue is that Michael Buesch made a public spectacle out of Marcus' mistake. It should have been addressed privately between developers, and then broadcast publicly if discussions were unsuccessful. Regardless of whether you believe Marcus' actions were a mistake or a theft, you must give someone with his track record the benefit of the doubt. By embarrassing him publicly, Michael destroyed Marcus' motivation to work in bcw(4) and benefit the non-GPL user communities.
Even Jeff Garzik, one of the bcm43xx developers, admitted that Michael's actions were wrong. It's unfortunate that Michael Beusch is more concerned about defending his actions than correcting the injustice.
I'm really surprised there's no bluetooth version available, any idea why not?
I've got a 15GB G3 iPod. I use it with my 12" G4 Powerbook. 90% of the music on either device was ripped from my own personal CD's, the other 9.99999% from the Apple Music Store via iTunes. I have _maybe_ 3 songs that were downloaded via P2P.
To suggest that only iPod users are thieves is ludicrous. FUD at its best.
Jerk.
-fp
Actually, spamd is known as a "tarpitting" approach. It uses a PF table of CIDR blocks based on the RBL's to cause the relay servers' mail spools to back up indefinitely.
Greylisting is a newer feature to spamd, providing the ability to whitelist once the sender retransmits after a temporary failure. This feature was added to spamd by Bob Beck on 2/26/04.
Long live /.
Actually, if you have 3 IP's, you could just build yourself an OpenBSD transparent bridge. The bridge doesn't need an IP address on either interface, so you'd be able to use all 3 for your internal machines.
Unless, of course, you have more than 3 machines (and who doesn't?). The next best solution, in the short term, as you've mentioned, is a proxy.
-fp
Are there any download sites with the binary RPMS? Everything I've seen is SRPM only.
-fp
I was wondering this just the other day. I found a "developer's" version that costs under $100, but I can't find the damn page anymore! Grr.
They also have AS running in the HP Test Drive site (http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/). Unfortunately, it appears that Test Drive registration is disabled until the end of this week.
-fp
Nobody is changing the way the content is distributed. Rather, they are providing an avenue... a bridge, if you were... to the distributor. The copyright regulations you're referring to protect against plagarism or re-distribution of said content. For example, if I was to pull down just the article content, but not the advertising, and post them (as my own or as with the author's permission) on my site. That is not the case here.
-J.
Actually, I think it was JetFire... at least that's what they're listed as on eBay. Hmm... $40 including original box, not bad. ;-)
-J.
That was Beast Wars. A really good example of mainstream CG for TV. I hate that they killed off the show... one of the few TF series that really carried a good plot. And some of the toys (RatPack, for example) kicked major ass.
Does anyone remember the Robotech rip-off jet they had back in the day? I would KILL for one of those right now.
-J.
BeProductive isn't yet available for Linux... this is a Windows-only release and review. According to the company's older press release (August 2001), the Linux version is expected shortly after the Windows version.
Wine emulation? *shudder*
-fuzzyping
Maybe you should read the article more closely. The article describes Oracle's own migration off
Sun servers [internally] onto Linux servers. This has nothing to do with their product offering, as the
previous poster is alluding to.
Phucker.
-J.
Ok, one last time... it's Theo De Raadt!!!
-J.
In my humble opinion, 2.4 is prime for the desktop. Linux is more than ready for the desktop. I know he says it's ready for the desktop, but not ready for high end systems. To me 'high-end' is what you ask of a computer. I've got a 333MHZ running Red Hat 7.2.
Sorry, you don't have any idea what high-end means to the enterprise world. This means supporting GB-TB's of I/O and network activity daily, constant loads in excess of 10-20, DoS attacks, load-sharing, SMP, databases serving out GB+ size table entries, etc.
Granted, support for your (and mine) little desktop accessories, USB devices, etc., are nice and wonderful, but they aren't the things that keep Alan and Linus up late at night with mad patching episodes.
-J.
You'll probably find yourself "backdoor'd" into it... I know I did.
;-)
I was actually interested in programming at the time. I did plenty of research into compilers and such for the Windows platform, and found out what a crappy experience it would have been. Started reading a lot about this "Lee-nucks" Operating System... decided to finally bite the bullet and dual-boot my win95 box with RedHat 5.2 (boxed version).
That was about 4 years ago. Next thing I knew, certain projects (web servers, ftp servers [ick!], remote access [ssh], perl/shell scripting, databases, networking, firewalls, VPN's... were filling up my time and my knowledge base. The drive to continually learn more and more about *nix drove me to try other OS's as well: Solaris, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BeOS, etc.
I finally managed to get a Systems Engineer position (read: glorified SysAdmin with networking abilities) with a [non-dot-com] startup during the dotcom boom that really blossomed my experience with Sun and Alpha Hardware. This alone will probably help me get my foot into more doors than anything else I've accomplished (before or since). It also gave me plenty of opportunity to refine my perl and shell scripting, as well as network troubleshooting (learn tcpdump... love tcpdump!).
Moral of the story- if you really want to do it, it's never too late, but it will definitely make it more difficult... on a geometrically progressive scale. Get in the industry as someone's Jr. whipping boy and you should be ok. I'm almost 30 myself, but I still garner my share of respect from my younger peers... as long as you show the desire to learn and expand your knowledge base, you'll be ok.
Of course, that doesn't mean you're not allowed to be a prima donna as well.
-FP.
Right now they need to concentrate on what will bring in the most money the fastest. That's PC's with Windows,
... peripherals
... scientific equipment
.. is not the best use of their limited resources.
Wrong. PC's are in a shrinking market. No sales anywhere to be found. Where have you been for the last 12 months?
Again, you're incorrect. There is near-minimal profit on their retail printer/scanner lines.
Perhaps.
Supporting Linux
"limited" resources??? Surely you jest. Which resources are you referring to? Cash? Have you looked at either company's quarterly report? People? They're laying off 4-5 figures' worth of employees post-merger. You call that a shortage of resources?
-J.
If you'd read the article carefully, you would have noted that the author mentioned that HP/C would have to continue servicing/supporting the existing OS contracts... it's just that they should discontinue funding R&D of these OS's.
-J.
There's nothing there but the default page... no files, news, shots... nothing.
"I don't believe open source works well for commercial companies because they can't control schedules,"...
Oh please. Since when have coporations been able to control, to any success, the schedule or direction
of a group project? C'mon, you want to point to Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, etc. as examples? So be it...
-J.
You obviously don't get around much. Most of the "open-sourcers" that I know prefer FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD... and even NeXT. ;-)
I'd be interested in gauging the experience levels of your "open-sourcer" buddies... perhaps even hearing how you define an "open-sourcer".