I've now printed out the license and filled it in - but I feel that I need to make you aware of wordings that make it a bit troublesome for private persons like myself developing Open Source software to use it.
1) You do not recognize FSF/GNU as an authority on what is and what is not an Open Source license. While the initial product we are developing indeed is licensed under GPL, additional planned products might use other OS licenses. You do state that the licenses listed on opensource.org are good candidates, but it would simplify OS-development a lot if it was possible to just comply to those in your license instead of having to send you new contracts for each new OS license we might use.
2) Being the maintainer of an OS project and responsible for running the revision control server (Perforce in this case) is not usually a role that comes with economic responsibility. If someone ("rogue developer") use the software we develop in a way that wouldn't comply with OS-licenses I would not be responsible in any way - that developer would. However, signing your license agreement makes me responsible for $750*noUsers economically towards you if someone _else_ does something! Is this really your intention? This is not how Open Source development is run.
3) "Loophole". The GPL (et al) are licenses that "force" the person who releases software outside of the organisation to also deliver the source. Any project is "GPL compliant" as long as it never releases any software publically. Are you aware of this? It would be possible for me to develop whatever software I like as long as I don't make public releases. Since you force me to have read-only accounts set up someone _else_ can release the software though - and thus I would again be in breach of contract with you - even though I never intended to release the software in the state it was in at that time. (It's quite common in the OS-world to be non-compliant with the license for development purpose, but with the intention of becoming compliant before the release. If you don't believe me, look up OpenOffice.org. It's actually not GPL-compliant in it's current state!)
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From: Perforce CEO To: Troed
1. You want a pre-blessing on some set of licenses.
We can certainly pre-bless a license before they start developing under it, but there are too many potential candidates for us to enumerate, and some of them change over time. We do not, in fact, recognize FSF/GNU as the authority on what constitutes "open source" for our purposes. We do suggest the GPL and FreeBSD licenses are likely to meet quick approval, but we need to see each and every license for source code being managed by Perforce with one of our EULA for OSSD.
2. You want us to give up the provision that if someone uses your free Perforce licenses for commercial purposes, we can go after you for the value of commercial Perforce licenses. It appears that you want to be completely free and clear if these free licenses happen to end up getting used for commercial purposes; the comment about "running Perforce is not a role that comes with financial responsibility" suggests that you're not willing to be on the hook for anything whatsoever in case the restricted terms of the open source license are violated.
The software you develop can be used commercially under our EULA for OSSD. Perl certainly is. Our basic requirement is that the software is not proprietary, i.e. it is distributed as open source.
The provision here is to keep people from signing up for a EULA for OSSD, and then selling it to someone for commercial (proprietary) software development.
3. You don't like letting us access your Perforce depot to keep an eye on what you're doing, based on the idea that software that's never released outside the developer'
A bit unusual, but knoppix has included brltty support from their live CD. That, quite frankly, is cool as shit. Props to the coders, and the fanboys who keep 'em coding.
(brltty is a driver that allows text to be output to braille displays, typically used by the blind and the deaf-blind. Read my journal for a little bit more info.)
I was halfway through the Chinese campaign by the end of release day. I love the C&C series. Although Generals was a weak effort. I'll be getting Zero Hour in about two weeks (no sense getting it before vacation).
The wonderfully optimized Generals engine Plus thousands of units? You better have something serious in your beige box. Probably powered by a Mr. Fusion, and cooled with liquid nitrogen.
Most motorcyclists I've seen would be lucky to have skin left to be drenched after a crash. Unless you're counting the bits of skin strewn across a few hundred feet of asphault.
Then most motorcyclists you've seen haven't been properly dressed. Do you judge all automobile accidents based on what you've seen of unbelted drivers?
Yeah, because trying to build an alternative that doesn't burn oil is such a horrible idea.
That's right, because there was absolutely zero oil (or coal) burned to charge up those batteries. The car is a little toy. What does it add to the equation that the Honda Insight doesn't do better?
Perhaps. But there's also the weight and parasitic drag to factor in at that point. One of the reasons this car is so 'quick' is that it is lightweight. 200hp just isn't that much. Throwing a couple hundred pounds of transmission into the mix is going to drop times. Sure, top end might be higher, but what's the 60 ft time going to be like?
The car is a fucking joke. Thanks for pointing out that we are talking about 1/8 drags, which are going to strongly favor the car that can't top 100 mph, and that makes peak torque at 0 rpm. Guess what care those two points describe?
Okay, so it can hang with Lambo's and Ferrari's. Can it handle something really quick? And before you nabobs twitter about safety, I notice that the Tzero doesn't meat crash specs either. And if you crash the bike, it won't leave you drenched in acid (yeah, yeah, Lithium Ion gel, whatever). Did I mention that you can buy about 20 of them for the price of the Tzero? The bike will also go 80 mph faster than the electric car. And you can fill it in less than 9 hours (3 at a 220 station:)
It did so poorly because the game sucked. You may have enjoyed it. Hell, I did for about five minutes. Far more people fell into my category than yours, and for good reason.
This game was so bad that Peter Molyneaux and Lionhead games owe me. Bigtime. Their next release winds up on my computer courtesy of Bittorrent, unless and until I receive a personalized apology (even a mail merge is acceptable).
Mr. G starts a lemonade stand. He spends $10 of his own money getting it going, and it makes money. You and a few thousand other investors come in, then. He tricks you and the other investors into agreeing to invest 10 million dollars into the stand, with Mr. G retaining a 30% stake in the company.
You really have no clue how company ownership works, do you?
Ignore this man! He is a flaming communist. As I have pointed out elsewhere, he employs slave labor. With the red suit, he pretends to be a Communist. Perhaps he is, after a fact. A communist we all know and love: Stalin. He is adept at spinning lies to his brand of truth.
IIRC, the reason for this is that in Germany, to meet TUV requirements, you can't be under, but you can be over. The thinking being that if you get a speeding ticket (yes, we know about the Autobahn, but what about city streets?) you can't say that your speedo was off. Yes, it might have been off, but it would read higher, so your speedo said you were breaking the limit even more. Why can't they be closer? Different wheel/tire combos can give different readings on the speedo. Plunk one speedo that's off by 10% in and it covers the range (and perhaps some final drive variations as well.)
I also think the math is probably incorrect from CR. It's unlikely that any of the speedos were off by the same amount at both 60 and 100. There should be a linear deviation. IOW, it is always off by, say, 5%.
I've always had bike insurance thru companies that just ask for displacement. As long as there's no turbo, they don't care:) So I always make sure to give them the lower of the model designation or the actual displacement. Can't remember which bike it was (GL1100??) that had a slightly lower listing than actual displacement. I don't race, so it wasn't an issue.
It may not be a proof of concept, but it seems to be a beta that hasn't been touched in a year. And debian packages (on the site I looked at) aren't available, only rpms.
That's like letting someone be a doctor without knowing what Aspirin does.
That would be pretty ironic if you had to go to the ER tonight and were treated by a doctor who doesn't know what aspirin does. Especially if Alanis Morissette drives the ambulance.:)
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I was in college. Missed all that. Too busy drinking, smoking, fucking, and studying. Guess I missed out on all the fun.
Real men can whistle the characters at 9600 baud.
With error correction.
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From: Troed
To: Perforce
I've now printed out the license and filled it in - but I feel that I need
to make you aware of wordings that make it a bit troublesome for private
persons like myself developing Open Source software to use it.
1) You do not recognize FSF/GNU as an authority on what is and what is not
an Open Source license. While the initial product we are developing indeed
is licensed under GPL, additional planned products might use other OS
licenses. You do state that the licenses listed on opensource.org are good
candidates, but it would simplify OS-development a lot if it was possible
to just comply to those in your license instead of having to send you new
contracts for each new OS license we might use.
2) Being the maintainer of an OS project and responsible for running the
revision control server (Perforce in this case) is not usually a role that
comes with economic responsibility. If someone ("rogue developer") use the
software we develop in a way that wouldn't comply with OS-licenses I would
not be responsible in any way - that developer would. However, signing
your license agreement makes me responsible for $750*noUsers economically
towards you if someone _else_ does something! Is this really your
intention? This is not how Open Source development is run.
3) "Loophole". The GPL (et al) are licenses that "force" the person who
releases software outside of the organisation to also deliver the source.
Any project is "GPL compliant" as long as it never releases any software
publically. Are you aware of this? It would be possible for me to develop
whatever software I like as long as I don't make public releases. Since
you force me to have read-only accounts set up someone _else_ can release
the software though - and thus I would again be in breach of contract with
you - even though I never intended to release the software in the state it
was in at that time. (It's quite common in the OS-world to be
non-compliant with the license for development purpose, but with the
intention of becoming compliant before the release. If you don't believe
me, look up OpenOffice.org. It's actually not GPL-compliant in it's
current state!)
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From: Perforce CEO
To: Troed
1. You want a pre-blessing on some set of licenses.
We can certainly pre-bless a license before they start developing under
it, but there are too many potential candidates for us to enumerate,
and some of them change over time. We do not, in fact, recognize FSF/GNU
as the authority on what constitutes "open source" for our purposes.
We do suggest the GPL and FreeBSD licenses are likely to meet quick
approval, but we need to see each and every license for source code
being managed by Perforce with one of our EULA for OSSD.
2. You want us to give up the provision that if someone uses your free
Perforce licenses for commercial purposes, we can go after you for the
value of commercial Perforce licenses. It appears that you want to
be completely free and clear if these free licenses happen to end up
getting used for commercial purposes; the comment about "running Perforce
is not a role that comes with financial responsibility" suggests that
you're not willing to be on the hook for anything whatsoever in case
the restricted terms of the open source license are violated.
The software you develop can be used commercially under our EULA for OSSD.
Perl certainly is. Our basic requirement is that the software is not
proprietary, i.e. it is distributed as open source.
The provision here is to keep people from signing up for a EULA for OSSD,
and then selling it to someone for commercial (proprietary) software
development.
3. You don't like letting us access your Perforce depot to keep an eye on
what you're doing, based on the idea that software that's never released
outside the developer'
A bit unusual, but knoppix has included brltty support from their live CD. That, quite frankly, is cool as shit. Props to the coders, and the fanboys who keep 'em coding.
(brltty is a driver that allows text to be output to braille displays, typically used by the blind and the deaf-blind. Read my journal for a little bit more info.)
I was halfway through the Chinese campaign by the end of release day. I love the C&C series. Although Generals was a weak effort. I'll be getting Zero Hour in about two weeks (no sense getting it before vacation).
The wonderfully optimized Generals engine Plus thousands of units? You better have something serious in your beige box. Probably powered by a Mr. Fusion, and cooled with liquid nitrogen.
And melt your nuts off, cost six figures, and not be able to turn.
Most motorcyclists I've seen would be lucky to have skin left to be drenched after a crash. Unless you're counting the bits of skin strewn across a few hundred feet of asphault.
Then most motorcyclists you've seen haven't been properly dressed. Do you judge all automobile accidents based on what you've seen of unbelted drivers?
Yeah, because trying to build an alternative that doesn't burn oil is such a horrible idea.
That's right, because there was absolutely zero oil (or coal) burned to charge up those batteries. The car is a little toy. What does it add to the equation that the Honda Insight doesn't do better?
IHBT, IHL, HAND.
Perhaps. But there's also the weight and parasitic drag to factor in at that point. One of the reasons this car is so 'quick' is that it is lightweight. 200hp just isn't that much. Throwing a couple hundred pounds of transmission into the mix is going to drop times. Sure, top end might be higher, but what's the 60 ft time going to be like?
My mistake, not Alison. GE?? Rolls??
Cycle World recently tested a bike put together by some nuts who got hold of a surplus Alison jet engine:)
I had completely forgotten about the warranty when mentioning the bike.
Where's CleverNickName when you need him?
Is porn vital? You must not be married...
The car is a fucking joke. Thanks for pointing out that we are talking about 1/8 drags, which are going to strongly favor the car that can't top 100 mph, and that makes peak torque at 0 rpm. Guess what care those two points describe?
Okay, so it can hang with Lambo's and Ferrari's. Can it handle something really quick? And before you nabobs twitter about safety, I notice that the Tzero doesn't meat crash specs either. And if you crash the bike, it won't leave you drenched in acid (yeah, yeah, Lithium Ion gel, whatever). Did I mention that you can buy about 20 of them for the price of the Tzero? The bike will also go 80 mph faster than the electric car. And you can fill it in less than 9 hours (3 at a 220 station:)
Nifty toy.
It was a fantastic piece of shit.
I thought it was a craptastic piece of shit myself. Glad you got your money back. Wish I had had the chutzpah to ask.
It did so poorly because the game sucked. You may have enjoyed it. Hell, I did for about five minutes. Far more people fell into my category than yours, and for good reason.
This game was so bad that Peter Molyneaux and Lionhead games owe me. Bigtime. Their next release winds up on my computer courtesy of Bittorrent, unless and until I receive a personalized apology (even a mail merge is acceptable).
Mr. G starts a lemonade stand. He spends $10 of his own money getting it going, and it makes money. You and a few thousand other investors come in, then. He tricks you and the other investors into agreeing to invest 10 million dollars into the stand, with Mr. G retaining a 30% stake in the company.
You really have no clue how company ownership works, do you?
You just showed me a woman who should have kept her legs closed and not been impregnated by any dipshit who came along.
It's called personal responsibility. You and the rest of the junior socialist brigade should look into it.
Ignore this man! He is a flaming communist. As I have pointed out elsewhere, he employs slave labor. With the red suit, he pretends to be a Communist. Perhaps he is, after a fact. A communist we all know and love: Stalin. He is adept at spinning lies to his brand of truth.
Remember, Dancing Santa=Dancing Stalin.
IIRC, the reason for this is that in Germany, to meet TUV requirements, you can't be under, but you can be over. The thinking being that if you get a speeding ticket (yes, we know about the Autobahn, but what about city streets?) you can't say that your speedo was off. Yes, it might have been off, but it would read higher, so your speedo said you were breaking the limit even more. Why can't they be closer? Different wheel/tire combos can give different readings on the speedo. Plunk one speedo that's off by 10% in and it covers the range (and perhaps some final drive variations as well.)
I also think the math is probably incorrect from CR. It's unlikely that any of the speedos were off by the same amount at both 60 and 100. There should be a linear deviation. IOW, it is always off by, say, 5%.
I've always had bike insurance thru companies that just ask for displacement. As long as there's no turbo, they don't care:) So I always make sure to give them the lower of the model designation or the actual displacement. Can't remember which bike it was (GL1100??) that had a slightly lower listing than actual displacement. I don't race, so it wasn't an issue.
It may not be a proof of concept, but it seems to be a beta that hasn't been touched in a year. And debian packages (on the site I looked at) aren't available, only rpms.
Still, looks nifty.
That's like letting someone be a doctor without knowing what Aspirin does.
:)
That would be pretty ironic if you had to go to the ER tonight and were treated by a doctor who doesn't know what aspirin does. Especially if Alanis Morissette drives the ambulance.