Wow - hate women do we? Where is the Dad in all this?
You need to get out more. In the past 35 years, there has been a dramatic upswing in the number of single parent homes. And most of those are women. Look at any of the advocacy groups who fight for these laws. Who are the organizers and front 'men'? More women. Finally, 'soccer mom' is a well understood term that has nothing to do with the sex of the offender. Oh, and I hate all human beings equally. I don't single anyone out for special hatred on the basis of sex, race, etc...
For as much as we bitch about how stuff like this is the parents responsibility, it's time to get over the fact that most parents are not that responsible when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Okay, so based on spurious studies (ie, those that show coincidence, not causality) we are supposed to force society to be more repressive due to some people who shouldn't have been allowed to breed in the first place?
They are spending their time getting their kids off to school, feeding them, paying the bills, etc, etc, etc.
And teaching them right from wrong, monitoring their purchases, monitoring their friends. No, it's a full time job, and saying that you just didn't have time to see if they were getting a game that YOU find objectionable for minors is not acceptible.
How many older Aunts/Uncles/Grandparents do you know who purchase such things for the kids anyway?
I'd tell my siblings, parents, and inlaws not to do this. Or, if I saw the game, I'd take it away. Duh. It's okay to keep me from buying a game, but you can't talk to your own family about it? Weird.
A lot of adults are very ignorant when it comes to violent electronic games, they simply are not aware.
There we have it: protecting the stupid from themselves. It's a great American tradition. Glad to see it is so alive and well. At this point, if someone hasn't seen the reports that 'prove' that violent games cause problems, they really shouldn't have kids. They are too dumb and out of touch.
Parents of 13+ year-olds frequently just drop them off at the mall.
So I have to suffer because of their poor parenting? Just because 'everyone' does it, doesn't mean it's okay. Have you ever seen how many people go 10 mph above the speed limit? It's not a legal defense.
Have you ever met a teenager who wants to go shopping with their parents, and be seen with them in public? That is a rare thing indeed.
I don't remember the teenager's wants and wishes being a factor. Certainly my parents didn't think that way. If I wanted to go shopping alone, I could get a job, find transportation, and do it. If it was on their dime, it was on their rules. Sounds simple enough to me. Worked similarly for my wife.
This is a social, community and education problem - and those are usually tougher to solve.
Well, actually, no it's not. I've seen tons of coincidence in the studies that have been published, but I've seen not a whit of causality. Sorry to keep beating that drum, but this frequently happens in the courts and in public opinion. To illustrate: breast implants do not cause lupus. The incidence of women with lupus with or without implants is within a range of each other. Granted, those with are higher, but since probabilities are measured as curves, not points, the numbers are practically identical. Second example: coal miners with black lung disease. They did not get black lung disease from coal mines; it came from smoking. But the public was convinced that there was cause and effect. The same thing has happened with the 'scourge of violent video games'. Did any of these studies correct for income, parental involvement, etc? No.
These laws are a waste of time. They will prevent nobody from getting the games they want. The only thing to keep these out of kids hands is a responsible, watchful parent. Furthermore, there is little to no reason to believe they should be kept out of kids hands except as a personal preference by the parent. Finally, there is a market based solution that can work, if the same parents (soccer moms) who lobbied for laws would lobby companies to change their sales/rental policies.
Why the fuck can't you keep an eye on your brat? Why the fuck do they have $70 to go to Funcoland to get a game? Why the fuck don't you tell the morons at Blockbuster not to rent 'M' games to your kid? Why do you have to fuck it up for everyone? You stupid damn whores! Just because you can't parent your kid is no reason to take it out on me.
Yeah, but it's a bicycle with 14 wheels (only two of which you can use at a time, but when you ask which to use, you get 400 different answers) three pedal systems (ditto wrt choices), and you need a special adapter to use the same roads as the econoboxes (Win), sportscars (Macs), and luxury cars. And it didn't come with an owner's manual, but there are 253 published by O'Reilly alone.
And, if you want to talk about the kernel instead of a distro:
But you have to get each part from one of twenty vendors. Then you need either someone else's bike, sportscar, or luxury car to put it together. For which you will need manuals which do not exist. There are many people who have done it this way, but they are better than you, and will not teach you how to build a bicycle. You finally found a website (using a friend's econobox) with instructions. But right around the time you go to install the chain, the bicycle explodes (bootstrapping GCC?)
It's late, and I'm trying too hard.
(Yes, I'm one of those astroturfers who admins about a half dozen Linux boxes. We're all over the place. Remove your tinfoil beany and you'll see us everywhere.)
What was that all about? I read this post, and he looks like a bit of a moron. Or, at the very least, he sounds like Tannenbaum speaking to Linus 10+ years ago.
Yes, ads work. The reason for 'New Coke' was that Pepsi was making serious inroads into Coke market share. Why? Advertising. The blind taste tests 'Choice of a New Generation' and all that stuff. For the most part, ads are not meant to give information or convince you to do anything. They are there to stick the name in your mind. You see 20 commercials for Pepsi, but aren't thirsty. Two days later in the store, you think "hey, I need some cola" and 'Pepsi' immediately springs into your mind.
To your father's situation: when was he involved with this? If prior to AT&T divestiture, there was no competition, so what? If it was after, the advertising is there to prevent people from dropping at least as much as it is to entice new customers.
You are asking 'why are you thinking outside the box?' Because in the estimation of many people in this thread, the poster has illogically drawn constraints to the problem. If it takes longer than about two minutes to pop in a NIC, maybe you shouldn't be futzing with looking for the right Linux distro.
BTW, I also made this comment, which I still say is the most logical answer to the problem yet. Like others have said, I have trouble with brand new floppies. I can't imagine how poorly one with 5-10 years of dirt, dust, and cigarette smoke will perform.
.ca is canada, right? Can't you get NIC's for about $10 or so? I have trouble believing you can't pony up for a single NIC. As for distros, until very recently, I was running Debian with scads of software from a 1 Gb drive. 3.0, not the 2.2 series. Yes, I had way more ram, but only had a crappy 1 Gb drive. I had KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, and openoffice. Getting rid of the extra seventy-11 text editors, terminals, etc. saves tons of space.
But I have no idea how to get around the RAM requirement. I put an older (RH 6.2???) distro on my wife's old machine with ~16Mb ram, and that was painful.
Find a parallel cd-rom drive (yeah, yeah, slow) and boot from floppy with the parallel cd-rom driver. It's slow, but you don't have to monkey in the guts of crusty old machines.
There's not a commercial break during the local news broadcasts that doesn't include at least one commercial on the topic. I can't even get away from it on PBS, because NewsHour is underwritten by SBC:)
Fred Rogers died today. Rogers, best known as 'Mr. Rogers' from the acclaimed television series 'Mr. Rogers Neighborhood' was beloved by children, who have watched this seminal PBS program for 35 years. Even if you didn't view the show, the chances are that one of your acquaintences or children did. Truly an American Icon.
Maybe it would be a good idea to read the link, seeing that it would be quite difficult to link to the actual article. To whit:
Since Polygraph, the quarterly publication of the American Polygraph Association, is not readily available to most members of the public, I will begin by citing the abstract of Mr. Menges' article...
My wife is blind (hard to let you know, you being AC and all:) As for money, the best bet is to click on the link and see if there is anything there for you. If not... Send me email or post in a journal.
This is hardly worth the time. First, it's listed in the 'expanded universe' section of the website. That means it's not canon; it doesn't count. Second, there isn't even going to be a proper cartoon of ~30 minute length. These are 2-3 minute shorts that will be shown as filler between shows. Finally, they only expect 20 of them. Less than one hour.
Not a program, but a nifty device for the blind. Since it costs about $1600 (lots of moving parts in that tiny device) I'm accepting donations to help defray the cost.
I never said that the Segway wasn't necessarily better than a car, particularly due to pollution, crowding, etc. I asked how it compares to a bicycle, moped, etc.
And, FWIW, the one benefit of city living for me would be public transit. It's a great idea, but not where I live.
Ah, how right you are. However the electricity required to charge the Segway comes from such wonderful things as combustion, nuclear reactors, and other not-so-environment friendly things.
How many times do we have to go over this? The charger in the Segway ONLY accepts electricity from solar power (from fields that don't disrupt deserts and that don't have carcinogens as a byproduct of panel manufacture) and wind farms (that don't disrupt migratory patterns or cause visual blight).
Oh, and burned bong resin powered generators. Said res only coming from users of medical marijuana.
Oh, but you haven't thought of the children and the environment. That thing probably spews out toxin in the form of byproducts of gasoline combustion. You are an evil, evil man.
Read between the lines of the parent post. He and Kamen are clearly part of the vast left wing conspiracy that wants all of us to live in cities, walk to our factory jobs (for 20 hours per week) and spend the rest of our time killing young children so that we can return the Earth to the animals and Gaea. (Yes, way extremist, but I get the feeling that Kamen and the Segway fans ignore the 'flyover people' a great deal.)
Segway is not a bike, it cannot be compared to any self-powered vehicle.
Bullshit. You cannot compare the redness or an apple to the redness of an orange in a favorable way. But as a piece of fruit or as a snack, the two can be compared. Similarly, as a 'revolutionary transportation device', the Segway can be compared quite easily to just about any powered or unpowered vehicle that I, the parent, and many others have mentioned.
it is the first of its kind and while it has problems for sure, it should be improved, not scorned.
Without criticism, how can it improve? If Kamen knew it could be better, why not make it better in the first go round?
I can't remember from your other postings, but do you have one of these scooters now? If not, why not? If so, how do you address family transportation, trips longer than about 10 miles, etc? The best I can see is that the Segway may be an accessory to much of the population, but again, the bicycle, scooter (like a Riva), motorcycle, or the foot is probably a better value proposition.
You've also ignored the fact that most people do not live in cities. Rather, they live in suburbs. I'm also not sure that you have a family. Even with my small family, I bring home a bunch of stuff from the grocery store: milk, juice, produce, canned goods, diapers (tons of diapers), tp, laundry detergent, etc, etc. No, not every week, but occasionally. I live right around the corner from a couple of stores. I could probably shop every day after work. Why don't I? Time. It's far more efficient to go once a week (with the occasional quick stop for milk) for a big session than to go daily. I'd rather spend the time with the wife and kid than in line at the market.
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Wow - hate women do we? Where is the Dad in all this?
You need to get out more. In the past 35 years, there has been a dramatic upswing in the number of single parent homes. And most of those are women. Look at any of the advocacy groups who fight for these laws. Who are the organizers and front 'men'? More women. Finally, 'soccer mom' is a well understood term that has nothing to do with the sex of the offender. Oh, and I hate all human beings equally. I don't single anyone out for special hatred on the basis of sex, race, etc...
For as much as we bitch about how stuff like this is the parents responsibility, it's time to get over the fact that most parents are not that responsible when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Okay, so based on spurious studies (ie, those that show coincidence, not causality) we are supposed to force society to be more repressive due to some people who shouldn't have been allowed to breed in the first place?
They are spending their time getting their kids off to school, feeding them, paying the bills, etc, etc, etc.
And teaching them right from wrong, monitoring their purchases, monitoring their friends. No, it's a full time job, and saying that you just didn't have time to see if they were getting a game that YOU find objectionable for minors is not acceptible.
How many older Aunts/Uncles/Grandparents do you know who purchase such things for the kids anyway?
I'd tell my siblings, parents, and inlaws not to do this. Or, if I saw the game, I'd take it away. Duh. It's okay to keep me from buying a game, but you can't talk to your own family about it? Weird.
A lot of adults are very ignorant when it comes to violent electronic games, they simply are not aware.
There we have it: protecting the stupid from themselves. It's a great American tradition. Glad to see it is so alive and well. At this point, if someone hasn't seen the reports that 'prove' that violent games cause problems, they really shouldn't have kids. They are too dumb and out of touch.
Parents of 13+ year-olds frequently just drop them off at the mall.
So I have to suffer because of their poor parenting? Just because 'everyone' does it, doesn't mean it's okay. Have you ever seen how many people go 10 mph above the speed limit? It's not a legal defense.
Have you ever met a teenager who wants to go shopping with their parents, and be seen with them in public? That is a rare thing indeed.
I don't remember the teenager's wants and wishes being a factor. Certainly my parents didn't think that way. If I wanted to go shopping alone, I could get a job, find transportation, and do it. If it was on their dime, it was on their rules. Sounds simple enough to me. Worked similarly for my wife.
This is a social, community and education problem - and those are usually tougher to solve.
Well, actually, no it's not. I've seen tons of coincidence in the studies that have been published, but I've seen not a whit of causality. Sorry to keep beating that drum, but this frequently happens in the courts and in public opinion. To illustrate: breast implants do not cause lupus. The incidence of women with lupus with or without implants is within a range of each other. Granted, those with are higher, but since probabilities are measured as curves, not points, the numbers are practically identical. Second example: coal miners with black lung disease. They did not get black lung disease from coal mines; it came from smoking. But the public was convinced that there was cause and effect. The same thing has happened with the 'scourge of violent video games'. Did any of these studies correct for income, parental involvement, etc? No.
These laws are a waste of time. They will prevent nobody from getting the games they want. The only thing to keep these out of kids hands is a responsible, watchful parent. Furthermore, there is little to no reason to believe they should be kept out of kids hands except as a personal preference by the parent. Finally, there is a market based solution that can work, if the same parents (soccer moms) who lobbied for laws would lobby companies to change their sales/rental policies.
Why the fuck can't you keep an eye on your brat? Why the fuck do they have $70 to go to Funcoland to get a game? Why the fuck don't you tell the morons at Blockbuster not to rent 'M' games to your kid? Why do you have to fuck it up for everyone? You stupid damn whores! Just because you can't parent your kid is no reason to take it out on me.
Take some responsibility for a change.
Yeah, but it's a bicycle with 14 wheels (only two of which you can use at a time, but when you ask which to use, you get 400 different answers) three pedal systems (ditto wrt choices), and you need a special adapter to use the same roads as the econoboxes (Win), sportscars (Macs), and luxury cars. And it didn't come with an owner's manual, but there are 253 published by O'Reilly alone.
And, if you want to talk about the kernel instead of a distro:
But you have to get each part from one of twenty vendors. Then you need either someone else's bike, sportscar, or luxury car to put it together. For which you will need manuals which do not exist. There are many people who have done it this way, but they are better than you, and will not teach you how to build a bicycle. You finally found a website (using a friend's econobox) with instructions. But right around the time you go to install the chain, the bicycle explodes (bootstrapping GCC?)
It's late, and I'm trying too hard.
(Yes, I'm one of those astroturfers who admins about a half dozen Linux boxes. We're all over the place. Remove your tinfoil beany and you'll see us everywhere.)
How many times did you cut and paste this response? I've seen three (well, I assume one wasn't strictly a 'cut and paste').
How are these machines actually being used? (Seriously, not troll. If I were trolling, there'd be no doubt)
What was that all about? I read this post, and he looks like a bit of a moron. Or, at the very least, he sounds like Tannenbaum speaking to Linus 10+ years ago.
Yes, ads work. The reason for 'New Coke' was that Pepsi was making serious inroads into Coke market share. Why? Advertising. The blind taste tests 'Choice of a New Generation' and all that stuff. For the most part, ads are not meant to give information or convince you to do anything. They are there to stick the name in your mind. You see 20 commercials for Pepsi, but aren't thirsty. Two days later in the store, you think "hey, I need some cola" and 'Pepsi' immediately springs into your mind.
To your father's situation: when was he involved with this? If prior to AT&T divestiture, there was no competition, so what? If it was after, the advertising is there to prevent people from dropping at least as much as it is to entice new customers.
You are asking 'why are you thinking outside the box?' Because in the estimation of many people in this thread, the poster has illogically drawn constraints to the problem. If it takes longer than about two minutes to pop in a NIC, maybe you shouldn't be futzing with looking for the right Linux distro.
BTW, I also made this comment, which I still say is the most logical answer to the problem yet. Like others have said, I have trouble with brand new floppies. I can't imagine how poorly one with 5-10 years of dirt, dust, and cigarette smoke will perform.
.ca is canada, right? Can't you get NIC's for about $10 or so? I have trouble believing you can't pony up for a single NIC. As for distros, until very recently, I was running Debian with scads of software from a 1 Gb drive. 3.0, not the 2.2 series. Yes, I had way more ram, but only had a crappy 1 Gb drive. I had KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, and openoffice. Getting rid of the extra seventy-11 text editors, terminals, etc. saves tons of space.
But I have no idea how to get around the RAM requirement. I put an older (RH 6.2???) distro on my wife's old machine with ~16Mb ram, and that was painful.
Find a parallel cd-rom drive (yeah, yeah, slow) and boot from floppy with the parallel cd-rom driver. It's slow, but you don't have to monkey in the guts of crusty old machines.
There's not a commercial break during the local news broadcasts that doesn't include at least one commercial on the topic. I can't even get away from it on PBS, because NewsHour is underwritten by SBC:)
Like the other person said, no troll. Had cancer. Died today:( Wanted to post it to slashdot, but also in a way that would have people wondering.
Wife is okay. Depressed as usual. Still waiting for Social Security.
Fred Rogers died today. Rogers, best known as 'Mr. Rogers' from the acclaimed television series 'Mr. Rogers Neighborhood' was beloved by children, who have watched this seminal PBS program for 35 years. Even if you didn't view the show, the chances are that one of your acquaintences or children did. Truly an American Icon.
I was thinking about trying to kludge something together, just for fun. I've got several old printers at work just dying to be ripped up.
My wife is blind (hard to let you know, you being AC and all:) As for money, the best bet is to click on the link and see if there is anything there for you. If not... Send me email or post in a journal.
If the record companies are doing their job in sifting through the garbage, wouldn't their success rate be much higher than 128 out of 30,000?
This is hardly worth the time. First, it's listed in the 'expanded universe' section of the website. That means it's not canon; it doesn't count. Second, there isn't even going to be a proper cartoon of ~30 minute length. These are 2-3 minute shorts that will be shown as filler between shows. Finally, they only expect 20 of them. Less than one hour.
Why bother?
Not a program, but a nifty device for the blind. Since it costs about $1600 (lots of moving parts in that tiny device) I'm accepting donations to help defray the cost.
Ummm... Yeah. I remember the last strike by the union employees at my local McDonald's.
Can't believe it took so long for someone to make this observation.
I never said that the Segway wasn't necessarily better than a car, particularly due to pollution, crowding, etc. I asked how it compares to a bicycle, moped, etc.
And, FWIW, the one benefit of city living for me would be public transit. It's a great idea, but not where I live.
Ah, how right you are. However the electricity required to charge the Segway comes from such wonderful things as combustion, nuclear reactors, and other not-so-environment friendly things.
How many times do we have to go over this? The charger in the Segway ONLY accepts electricity from solar power (from fields that don't disrupt deserts and that don't have carcinogens as a byproduct of panel manufacture) and wind farms (that don't disrupt migratory patterns or cause visual blight).
Oh, and burned bong resin powered generators. Said res only coming from users of medical marijuana.
Oh, but you haven't thought of the children and the environment. That thing probably spews out toxin in the form of byproducts of gasoline combustion. You are an evil, evil man.
Read between the lines of the parent post. He and Kamen are clearly part of the vast left wing conspiracy that wants all of us to live in cities, walk to our factory jobs (for 20 hours per week) and spend the rest of our time killing young children so that we can return the Earth to the animals and Gaea. (Yes, way extremist, but I get the feeling that Kamen and the Segway fans ignore the 'flyover people' a great deal.)
Segway is not a bike, it cannot be compared to any self-powered vehicle.
Bullshit. You cannot compare the redness or an apple to the redness of an orange in a favorable way. But as a piece of fruit or as a snack, the two can be compared. Similarly, as a 'revolutionary transportation device', the Segway can be compared quite easily to just about any powered or unpowered vehicle that I, the parent, and many others have mentioned.
it is the first of its kind and while it has problems for sure, it should be improved, not scorned.
Without criticism, how can it improve? If Kamen knew it could be better, why not make it better in the first go round?
I can't remember from your other postings, but do you have one of these scooters now? If not, why not? If so, how do you address family transportation, trips longer than about 10 miles, etc? The best I can see is that the Segway may be an accessory to much of the population, but again, the bicycle, scooter (like a Riva), motorcycle, or the foot is probably a better value proposition.
You've also ignored the fact that most people do not live in cities. Rather, they live in suburbs. I'm also not sure that you have a family. Even with my small family, I bring home a bunch of stuff from the grocery store: milk, juice, produce, canned goods, diapers (tons of diapers), tp, laundry detergent, etc, etc. No, not every week, but occasionally. I live right around the corner from a couple of stores. I could probably shop every day after work. Why don't I? Time. It's far more efficient to go once a week (with the occasional quick stop for milk) for a big session than to go daily. I'd rather spend the time with the wife and kid than in line at the market.