Well, obviously it's your choice, but I stress it's not an either/or proposition.
The BOINC people have partnered with the Condor people because quite frankly many of these clusters DO sit idle a lot of the time. When they do, Condor can fire off BOINC to run in the background. My systems run 24x7 at 100%. If not running some job submitted by some scientist somewhere (and it's pretty flexible) then running rosetta@home or Einstein@home or whatever.
Note the systems I run are Dell GX260's, 270's and 280's which are on the order of 4 years old+ and they are used quite nicely.
An Athalon 2000+ is an older processor, but it's still valuable as a resource.
You know of course you don't HAVE to use Fedora to run Condor. Condor will run under different OS's.
As for the benefit, let me give you an example of how Condor is being used. The Open Science Grid is a collection of Virtual Organizations that have contributed their clusters for use by Scientists who need them. So for example, when the massive data starts coming from the Hadron accelerator looking for the mythical Higgs particle, Fermilab will be able to use tens of thousands of computers all over the world that these organizations have contributed.
I have 15 Dell GX280's that were going to be scrapped and are now happily doing work. Sometimes it's biology experiments, other times physics, and when not running BOINC runs either einstein@home or Rosetta@Home.
If you don't know what the guy is talking about, then don't comment.
Condor is WAY different than BOINC or Folding@home.
BOINC is middleware but NOT general purpose grid computing. Condor is a distributed batch oriented system that allows people to submitt jobs and get them done. You can configure BOINC to run as backfill to Condor when Condor is not being used.
Yea, I caught that. It's much better, but still..why can't NASA provide better stuff? As I understand it they already provide a high bandwidth multicast stream internally. They should just increase their TTL for multicast, let the packets onto Internet 2 and let people see it.
It's a public feed, so legally people could then take the multicast feed and do with it what they want (including provide a unicast feed to the internet)
yea, and their streaming video pretty much sucks. In a world where braodband has been around for 10 years NASA TV on the Web is Marginal quality on Windows Media only, or crappy low bandwidth with everything else (they don't even use H.264 for quicktime which is a super small bandwidth link).
Hell, they COULD provide a high-def multicast feed to Internet2 since they peer with it and don't (you would think that researchers and universities would be interested).
How hard is it to multicast a feed to I2? I could to it with cheap equipment in under a half hour. Scaling? Use Source Specific Multicast.
Sorry for the rant, but if you have VLC and are connected to I2 watch what is being broadcast via SAP announcements. The Europeans have been multicasting hi-def content (boring legislature sessions) for YEARS yet NASA is clueless.
If you are afraid of your data getting stolen, DON'T USE IT.
Quite frankly I'm tired of people complaining on my behalf. Especially when I don't use whatever is being complained about and when the people complaining don't use it either.
Also..it IS a BETA (test). Once they are out of BETA they might actually have to apply HIPPA.
Have you tried it? It's INCREDIBLY addicting and just about as simple as Tetris to play. My mother picked it up in under 5 min and was playing for HOURS.
Sheer genius. I don't normally get into puzzle games but this one had me playing for 45 min straight before forcing myself to stop. It's well designed and fun to play.
With tetris it was time wasted down the tubes. At least with this you are doing something useful (and it might save somebody's life).
I can just see this thing going to cell phones, PDA's, etc.
Yea! they (Torrentspy) go bankrupt, the RIAA gets almost nothing because you can't squeeze water from a dry rag and the lawyers rake it in from the RIAA in Fees.
There is SOME peering, but at higher levels
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For example bittorrent users that are on networks that have connections to I2 and the regular internet act as proxies between each network.
Neither one knows about it, but the packets flow between the networks via p2p applications like bittorrent.
I think there IS some opportunity for some commercial providers though. College students use a LOT of bandwidth for many things like gmail, etc.
Having a presence on I2 might be good for some things like gmail.
"There is another option which many have not have anticipated, or may have dismissed outright â" native implementation of Microsoftâ(TM)s NTFS journaling file system. Currently, NTFS is implemented in Linux using the NTFS-3G kernel module, which is licensed under GPL and is part of the mainline kernel. However, no Linux distribution uses it as a primary file system, with the exception of latest released Ubuntu 8.04, and only under the WUBI implementation where it virtualizes an ext3 file system within an NTFS âoecontainerâ. NTFS-3G was developed using clean room reverse engineering techniques, and while the driver appears to be quite stable, it is not considered to be enterprise-worthy."
My head is shaking left and right violently. The word "No" is inadequate to express my opinion on the matter.
I have to wonder why they have not tried to get a preliminary injunction to halt shipment pending legal matters. They probably could get that fairly easily.
Although the RIAA has a lot to answer for, I think the real snakes in all this are the companies monitoring and the Lawyers going after people.
What I think is REALLY happening is that the said aforementioned companies/lawyers are selling the RIAA that they can truthfully get people AND make a difference in piracy when THEY (the lawyers and monitoring companies) probably are telling fibs.
Basically they see a way to make some dough at the RIAA's ineptitude and greed by cooking numbers at their meetings with the RIAA telling them how good they are doing at getting people.
That's just my theory, that the lawyers and companies like mediasentry are driving this primarily.
Moorcock is ofetn unknown by a lot of people due to the fact he does not come out with much stuff anymore, but during the 60's and 70's he was pumping out stuff left and right and generally they were pretty good.
'active' is a bit of an understatement. You need to be willing to provide long term support for the resources that you volunteer to the OSG, including frequent upgrades of the OSG middleware. A resource that joins the OSG for 3 months and then leaves is not going to provide much benefit to the larger OSG community.
It's also not for the faint of heart. While the OSG software installation process has gotten much better over the last couple of years, it still takes several hours for an experienced admin to get a new site up and running, and that's assuming you already have your cluster and batch system (such as Condor or PBS) already configured correctly. If you are new to the OSG, then it is likely to take a week or more before your site is ready for outside use.
Our organization has found that it takes at least one full time admin to manage a medium-sized OSG cluster (~100 PCs), though you can probably get away with less effort for a smaller cluster.
This isn't meant to be criticism against the OSG; I think they've done great work in building up a grid infrastructure in the US. I just want to emphasize that supporting a OSG cluster is a non-trivial effort. ABSOLUTELY.
You could not of said it better. Much better than I did. Of course you don't necessarily have to run a BIG cluster. Even one with 10 or 20 processors can be of use to people.
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Well, obviously it's your choice, but I stress it's not an either/or proposition.
The BOINC people have partnered with the Condor people because quite frankly many of these clusters DO sit idle a lot of the time. When they do, Condor can fire off BOINC to run in the background. My systems run 24x7 at 100%. If not running some job submitted by some scientist somewhere (and it's pretty flexible) then running rosetta@home or Einstein@home or whatever.
Note the systems I run are Dell GX260's, 270's and 280's which are on the order of 4 years old+ and they are used quite nicely.
An Athalon 2000+ is an older processor, but it's still valuable as a resource.
You know of course you don't HAVE to use Fedora to run Condor. Condor will run under different OS's.
As for the benefit, let me give you an example of how Condor is being used. The Open Science Grid is a collection of Virtual Organizations that have contributed their clusters for use by Scientists who need them. So for example, when the massive data starts coming from the Hadron accelerator looking for the mythical Higgs particle, Fermilab will be able to use tens of thousands of computers all over the world that these organizations have contributed.
I have 15 Dell GX280's that were going to be scrapped and are now happily doing work. Sometimes it's biology experiments, other times physics, and when not running BOINC runs either einstein@home or Rosetta@Home.
If you don't know what the guy is talking about, then don't comment.
Condor is WAY different than BOINC or Folding@home.
BOINC is middleware but NOT general purpose grid computing. Condor is a distributed batch oriented system that allows people to submitt jobs and get them done. You can configure BOINC to run as backfill to Condor when Condor is not being used.
To all you people saying "why don't you just use BOINC"
Why indeed? Why not use BOTH. (As Condor can be configured to use BOINC when it's idle)
With BOINC data is PULLED from them to you when YOU request it. In grid computing with Condor data is PUSHED to you.
Big difference.
Yea, I caught that. It's much better, but still..why can't NASA provide better stuff? As I understand it they already provide a high bandwidth multicast stream internally. They should just increase their TTL for multicast, let the packets onto Internet 2 and let people see it.
It's a public feed, so legally people could then take the multicast feed and do with it what they want (including provide a unicast feed to the internet)
Don't watch NASA TV from NASA (it sucks).
This one is at much higher bandwidth.
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163
yea, and their streaming video pretty much sucks. In a world where braodband has been around for 10 years NASA TV on the Web is Marginal quality on Windows Media only, or crappy low bandwidth with everything else (they don't even use H.264 for quicktime which is a super small bandwidth link).
Hell, they COULD provide a high-def multicast feed to Internet2 since they peer with it and don't (you would think that researchers and universities would be interested).
How hard is it to multicast a feed to I2? I could to it with cheap equipment in under a half hour. Scaling? Use Source Specific Multicast.
Sorry for the rant, but if you have VLC and are connected to I2 watch what is being broadcast via SAP announcements. The Europeans have been multicasting hi-def content (boring legislature sessions) for YEARS yet NASA is clueless.
If you are afraid of your data getting stolen, DON'T USE IT.
Quite frankly I'm tired of people complaining on my behalf. Especially when I don't use whatever is being complained about and when the people complaining don't use it either.
Also..it IS a BETA (test). Once they are out of BETA they might actually have to apply HIPPA.
I spent 5 YEARS of my life at EDS on graveyard shift 11-7 mounting round reel tapes and babysitting line printers.
You don't KNOW hell until you've had to decolate 4 part green bar paper.
This is not a bad thing. Having worked for EDS in the 90's I can tell you that ANYTHING is better than that overbloated stuffed shirt company.
Working for EDS is well known as the ninth hell of IT. HP is probably further up in Dante's list but I'm sure it IS futher up.
Have you tried it? It's INCREDIBLY addicting and just about as simple as Tetris to play. My mother picked it up in under 5 min and was playing for HOURS.
That's enough for me. It's going to be hit.
Sheer genius. I don't normally get into puzzle games but this one had me playing for 45 min straight before forcing myself to stop. It's well designed and fun to play.
With tetris it was time wasted down the tubes. At least with this you are doing something useful (and it might save somebody's life).
I can just see this thing going to cell phones, PDA's, etc.
Yea! they (Torrentspy) go bankrupt, the RIAA gets almost nothing because you can't squeeze water from a dry rag and the lawyers rake it in from the RIAA in Fees.
For example bittorrent users that are on networks that have connections to I2 and the regular internet act as proxies between each network.
Neither one knows about it, but the packets flow between the networks via p2p applications like bittorrent.
I think there IS some opportunity for some commercial providers though. College students use a LOT of bandwidth for many things like gmail, etc.
Having a presence on I2 might be good for some things like gmail.
I'm assuming you did'nt like the KICK ASS movie "The 300" either?
From the Article
"There is another option which many have not have anticipated, or may have dismissed outright â" native implementation of Microsoftâ(TM)s NTFS journaling file system. Currently, NTFS is implemented in Linux using the NTFS-3G kernel module, which is licensed under GPL and is part of the mainline kernel. However, no Linux distribution uses it as a primary file system, with the exception of latest released Ubuntu 8.04, and only under the WUBI implementation where it virtualizes an ext3 file system within an NTFS âoecontainerâ. NTFS-3G was developed using clean room reverse engineering techniques, and while the driver appears to be quite stable, it is not considered to be enterprise-worthy."
My head is shaking left and right violently. The word "No" is inadequate to express my opinion on the matter.
If you are really paranoid, use Truecrypt.
I have to wonder why they have not tried to get a preliminary injunction to halt shipment pending legal matters. They probably could get that fairly easily.
I'd like to see the same test with Kubuntu. Not saying that it's better but I'd like to see the results with KDE as well.
Ooops...wrong thread :)
Although the RIAA has a lot to answer for, I think the real snakes in all this are the companies monitoring and the Lawyers going after people.
What I think is REALLY happening is that the said aforementioned companies/lawyers are selling the RIAA that they can truthfully get people AND make a difference in piracy when THEY (the lawyers and monitoring companies) probably are telling fibs.
Basically they see a way to make some dough at the RIAA's ineptitude and greed by cooking numbers at their meetings with the RIAA telling them how good they are doing at getting people.
That's just my theory, that the lawyers and companies like mediasentry are driving this primarily.
Moorcock is ofetn unknown by a lot of people due to the fact he does not come out with much stuff anymore, but during the 60's and 70's he was pumping out stuff left and right and generally they were pretty good.
If I were pirate bay I'd just move to a 100% DHT model. Don't even have links to torrents, just have the Magnet URI's.
Yes, the tracker is overloaded, but that's why we have DHT!
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:PKBGTUMADMQD7FXO7PLIZPGWQBLPRTEE
It's also not for the faint of heart. While the OSG software installation process has gotten much better over the last couple of years, it still takes several hours for an experienced admin to get a new site up and running, and that's assuming you already have your cluster and batch system (such as Condor or PBS) already configured correctly. If you are new to the OSG, then it is likely to take a week or more before your site is ready for outside use.
Our organization has found that it takes at least one full time admin to manage a medium-sized OSG cluster (~100 PCs), though you can probably get away with less effort for a smaller cluster.
This isn't meant to be criticism against the OSG; I think they've done great work in building up a grid infrastructure in the US. I just want to emphasize that supporting a OSG cluster is a non-trivial effort. ABSOLUTELY.
You could not of said it better. Much better than I did. Of course you don't necessarily have to run a BIG cluster. Even one with 10 or 20 processors can be of use to people.