My issue is the threat of legal force. To me open and free means just that, open and free with no restrictions. Innovate, not litigate.
I think the idea of software patents with a free-for-all, non-exclusive, royalty-free license is okay, as long as it's FFA NE RF for everyone (even closed source competitors). Eventually, with the rate of development being that much higher in FOSS (I have no numbers for that, it's a belief I have that the rate of development is higher supported only by the regularity of updates to most FOSS projects I use) eventually FOSS should be able to out-patent proprietary vendors. Patent law sucks, software and gene patents suck even worse, but until the law changes, use it to our advantage (which would be to everyone's advantage).
And since the industry won't take care of it, I agree the government needs to step in and make them take care of it, though I'm not sure if permanent regulation (temporary until it's SOP should be good enough) is the answer.
unfortunately I would have to concur. If opensource projects don't patent (and than grant a non-exclusive, royalty free license to everyone), we're doomed.
How can a formula be patented when you can't even copyright a recipe (and that's all ink is, a recipe of dyes)?
As for patents on toner cartridges, I imagine if they were specific enough to get a patent for it (I know, I know, I'm not new around here, I know stupid patents get granted all the time), chances are they wouldn't need to worry about after-market producers.
It SOUNDS like it is a lot when it isn't that much (at least to us in a country with a stronger currency (though I don't see how that's possible given inflation and all that).
No. I was saying that 2,000 kroner SOUNDS like a lot but it isn't as bad as it sounds (though in Sweden it probably is a lot, I've noticed that in countries with currencies weaker than the dollar, everything is relatively higher than it would be here).
Possibly, I was pointing out that, to those not familiar with the exchange rate (as seemed to be the case to the person I posted in reply to), it might seem that 2,000 kroners was a lot.
The exchange rate between the top currency in the US (the dollar) and the top currency in Sweden (the kroner) is nearly 10-to-1, that's all I was trying to point out. Some people were saying it's an outrageous fine, but once you convert it into USD, it doesn't seem that much (still a weeks wage for folks working at Wal*Mart though)
Yes, but with the infrequency with which I fly that level of radiation isn't of a concern. Being constantly bombarded like is being suggested in the article is completely unhealthy and unacceptable.
If this goes into regular use, I won't be able to fly without having to worry about cellular level damage. I've already received the maximum life-time dosage of x-rays for medical treatment. The occasional x-ray is fine. What is being proposed here goes way beyond that and puts me into an unnecessary health risk.
This is something I have to be concerned about because if the radiation is that significant, I won't be able to go through them without risking damage (I received the maximum dosage of medical x-rays (e.g. to treat cancer) that I'll ever be able to receive for the rest of my life).
Don't get me wrong, I'm ambivalent about not telling folks they are fixing to be downsized. I think it's horrible, but I've seen first-hand the loyalty of people in general when it comes to the daily grind. It's not pretty.
The city of Philadelphia can share that view all they want. It's more important what the state of Pennsylvania has to say about this (as municipal law never over-rides that of state law, just like state law cannot pre-empt federal law).
As one poster said, NJ legally defines what is and isn't a business (they have a limit on income for a "hobby that makes money" and a "business that needs a license"). I'm not sure what Pennsylvania's law is, but this woman needs to find out fast.
And for them, they are intentionally blogging FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES.
From TFA:
Between her blog and infrequent contributions to ehow.com, over the last few years she says she’s made about $50. To [Marilyn] Bess, her website is a hobby.
Are you telling me you've never made a few bucks here and there off a hobby? RC Car enthusiasts do it all the time (that is, make a few bucks here and there). Some who do that professionally ARE IN THE BUSINESS of making money and do indeed have a business license. Should every hobbyist that has ever made money off their hobby have to get a business license (and if you answer in the informative, you and the city of Philadelphia need to get together as you're made for each other).
There is a big difference between a billboard (a dedicated space for placing ads) and a hobbyist blogger or web designer putting ads on their site to make a few bucks off of it.
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That makes me cry.
I would support that as an alternative to my own idea. (:
My issue is the threat of legal force. To me open and free means just that, open and free with no restrictions. Innovate, not litigate.
I think the idea of software patents with a free-for-all, non-exclusive, royalty-free license is okay, as long as it's FFA NE RF for everyone (even closed source competitors). Eventually, with the rate of development being that much higher in FOSS (I have no numbers for that, it's a belief I have that the rate of development is higher supported only by the regularity of updates to most FOSS projects I use) eventually FOSS should be able to out-patent proprietary vendors. Patent law sucks, software and gene patents suck even worse, but until the law changes, use it to our advantage (which would be to everyone's advantage).
And since the industry won't take care of it, I agree the government needs to step in and make them take care of it, though I'm not sure if permanent regulation (temporary until it's SOP should be good enough) is the answer.
Either that or the FOSS projects become just like them (saying who can and cannot have their "free" software).
For a mixture of inks? I would hope so. Good grief folks.
unfortunately I would have to concur. If opensource projects don't patent (and than grant a non-exclusive, royalty free license to everyone), we're doomed.
How can a formula be patented when you can't even copyright a recipe (and that's all ink is, a recipe of dyes)?
As for patents on toner cartridges, I imagine if they were specific enough to get a patent for it (I know, I know, I'm not new around here, I know stupid patents get granted all the time), chances are they wouldn't need to worry about after-market producers.
You are completely missing the point.
It SOUNDS like it is a lot when it isn't that much (at least to us in a country with a stronger currency (though I don't see how that's possible given inflation and all that).
No. I was saying that 2,000 kroner SOUNDS like a lot but it isn't as bad as it sounds (though in Sweden it probably is a lot, I've noticed that in countries with currencies weaker than the dollar, everything is relatively higher than it would be here).
Possibly, I was pointing out that, to those not familiar with the exchange rate (as seemed to be the case to the person I posted in reply to), it might seem that 2,000 kroners was a lot.
I do.
2,000 SEK = 270 USD, an exchange rate of nearly 10-to-1.
When you convert into USD, 2,000 SEK doesn't seem to be all that much anymore (though technically it is the same amount).
The exchange rate between the top currency in the US (the dollar) and the top currency in Sweden (the kroner) is nearly 10-to-1, that's all I was trying to point out. Some people were saying it's an outrageous fine, but once you convert it into USD, it doesn't seem that much (still a weeks wage for folks working at Wal*Mart though)
and how many folks in Zimbabwe have even a tenth of that?
or neither. I'm implying that the exchange rate isn't 1-to-1, but instead nearly ten-to-one (ten kroner to one dollar).
I get the exchange concept as well.
Yes, but with the infrequency with which I fly that level of radiation isn't of a concern. Being constantly bombarded like is being suggested in the article is completely unhealthy and unacceptable.
$270 USD might be a small fine for us, but 2,000 kroner sounds like a lot (instead of it being 270 kroner = 270 USD it's nearly ten times that).
If this goes into regular use, I won't be able to fly without having to worry about cellular level damage. I've already received the maximum life-time dosage of x-rays for medical treatment. The occasional x-ray is fine. What is being proposed here goes way beyond that and puts me into an unnecessary health risk.
This is something I have to be concerned about because if the radiation is that significant, I won't be able to go through them without risking damage (I received the maximum dosage of medical x-rays (e.g. to treat cancer) that I'll ever be able to receive for the rest of my life).
You're lucky you got the 1-days notice. I did not even receive that. We were told the night before that the next day we wouldn't be open for business.
About just not creating more embryos for IVF than is actually needed (or, ya know, adopt one of the millions of orphaned kids in the US and abroad)?
Don't get me wrong, I'm ambivalent about not telling folks they are fixing to be downsized. I think it's horrible, but I've seen first-hand the loyalty of people in general when it comes to the daily grind. It's not pretty.
The city of Philadelphia can share that view all they want. It's more important what the state of Pennsylvania has to say about this (as municipal law never over-rides that of state law, just like state law cannot pre-empt federal law).
As one poster said, NJ legally defines what is and isn't a business (they have a limit on income for a "hobby that makes money" and a "business that needs a license"). I'm not sure what Pennsylvania's law is, but this woman needs to find out fast.
And for them, they are intentionally blogging FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES.
From TFA:
Between her blog and infrequent contributions to ehow.com, over the last few years she says she’s made about $50. To [Marilyn] Bess, her website is a hobby.
Are you telling me you've never made a few bucks here and there off a hobby? RC Car enthusiasts do it all the time (that is, make a few bucks here and there). Some who do that professionally ARE IN THE BUSINESS of making money and do indeed have a business license. Should every hobbyist that has ever made money off their hobby have to get a business license (and if you answer in the informative, you and the city of Philadelphia need to get together as you're made for each other).
There is a big difference between a billboard (a dedicated space for placing ads) and a hobbyist blogger or web designer putting ads on their site to make a few bucks off of it.