Though your reply is rather offtopic, I'll only tell you that: When Fancyman wants to say somethin', he just squeezes wunna his security ho's. Got dat? Yeaah u do...
Narcissistic Vulnerability Pimps unite! -- Lets slap these filthy, avaricious, arrogant little slatterns so hard they'll wake up hearing bells and think they're GTE again! Uhhh!
PS: see embedded link before moderating 'offtopic'. Fo Reeel yo
- Da Fancyman, and Purveyor of Hot Security Ho's, I mean Holes (U know wad I'm sayin)
Something I think many users of "disposable" phones fail to realize amidst their presumed anonymity is the factor of unique patterns. For example, if an individual suspected of dealing drugs or any other crime has a phone, chances are that the outgoing and incoming calls fit a pattern unique to that user. Even if frequently disposing of old phones and buying new phones, it hardly requires more than two or three calls to uniquely identify someone. You see, it is so wildly unlikely that anyone else in the world would call Alice's mother, The Dealer, and Bob, that anyone doing so is probably Alice. So even if Alice runs out and gets a brand new phone after every big deal, it may only require calling Bob and one other previously called individual to put a unique flag on a user. Unless the whole network replace their phones in an organized coordinated manner, they at least potentially give away their identity. I don't think it ever required a warrant to do that, but I don't know. As for tracking people via cell-phone, this news is appreciated, but no more to me than an affirmation of the already assumed.
It must be acknowledged the potential this odious beast holds for amusement. If this blubberous tyrannical skywhale were to get an infection, it could be quite a show. Maybe Anonymous will hack into the elephantine data-pig and make it hover over the pentagon while playing Kitaro for all 21 of its days. I hope Grumman has taken this into consideration and prepared the bastard with ample laser-disco-balls and extraordinary speakers. But instead of puking forth an abundance of guns like in Zardoz, it can spit out military-grade amphetamines, contraceptives and buckyballs.
One example of your final paragraph is illustrated here.
According to wiki, more than 200 nanotech-silver products are on the market, which is probably enough to have some effect. Most distinctly, I remember Samsung being sued over their plans to distribute nano-silver lined washing/drying machines to hospitals. Samsung claimed that the machines would be so effective as to eliminate the need for bleach. Others claimed it would wreak havoc on municipal sewage-management which relies on bacteria to break down the waste.
The MAC and Hostname along with IP traffic are logged on the router. If you wish to observe this, I suggest 192.168.0.1 or something similar. Since Verizon has automagically changed the default passwords, you will no longer be able to use "password" and will need the serial-number instead. Since it has been a while since I logged into a Verizon router, you will have to navigate from there. Somewhere you will find the MAC and Hostname of associated clients. Although I doubt you are disputing this. What I am speculating, is that if Verizon can remotely change a user password without a user's permission, I see no unsurmountable barrier in the way of pausing for a moment to observe logs. Without the firmware code, I also fail to see what would prevent such data from being sent back "home". The MAC and Hostname are, as you should see in the router's UI, connected with IP traffic. As for the router's MAC, which I had never mentioned, I think Skyhook is handling that much, along with Google. But I also recall in Verizon's user agreement, the explicit demand of consent that the user permit them access to the host. Consult that agreement yourself; you are not worthy of my labors there, AC.
I have long suspected that in the US, Verizon is logging MAC addresses. I expect this for several reasons. The first is that a while back, Verizon remotely logged into customers wireless routers nationwide and changed the default password to the serial-number on the router. A great decision for security, but it illustrated some hitherto un-thought-of potential, at least to me. Verizon routers, which are mostly ActionTek and I think using some strange unix-based firmware, are not transparent as far as I know. They also log HostNames and MACs by default. Now if Verizon could log into routers remotely to change a password, then what prevents them from grabbing some MACs and other data on their way? User-side monitoring of this would be difficult because it would be outgoing from the router and you'd have to get into the cable somehow.
Now looky here a moment. Since maybe 1% or less users spoof their MACs, this could be a useful form of data. For example; say you had Verizon at home and took your laptop on vacation with you. Maybe you use a Verizon access-point along the way, maybe at an airport, hotel, or cafe, etc. If that router was participating, then regardless of cookies, IP, or anything else, you'd be uniquely identified.
Now before you go apeshit on me, I am not claiming they do this; I am suggesting it's possible, which at least speculatively answers your question, albeit possibly not your satisfaction. Of course both Hostnames and MAC's can be emulated by an attacker, it could also provide some extra legal fodder to other attackers.
Something big needs to change in the way we use the internet. The concept of ISP's being the gate-keepers who double as loose hussies for Authoritaria is a dead end. Is a P2P wireless distributed internet immune from censorship and central planning possible? Do I know exactly how to do this? No. But it can be done in theory, though not without a massive tantrum from Omnicontrolus, and a few bits of austerity. This may sound silly, but if something similar doesn't happen, then I think it's just going to be a perpetual fight with incremental casualties leading eventually to death, or some pathetic and crippled version of something previously beautiful. I think some of us might take for granted how much fighting it takes just to hold on to what we have, while taking grievous blows to privacy and still losing a little here and little there in the process.
Perhaps it's a big-headed notion, but a formidable effort toward such a schema might at least distract these ravenous fiends enough to prevent them from purging freedom from the spectrum altogether. Maybe with the help of private satellites and (I don't know yet; do you?), it is realistic enough to try. I'd rather take some blows to bloat and luxury than to freedom.
In Germany, you can be fined for having an unencrypted AP -- if someone uses it for "illegal" file sharing. It'll be the same elsewhere soon enough. And it will get worse and worse, until you can't connect without a chip up the arse or job in "intelligence". Some say "Darknets", but is that not something the ISP's could crush easily enough? I actually don't know; I'm asking.
We've had the DHS (of all agencies!) taking down domains in the US. The "UK" wants to retain all user's ISP data. The "US" wants likewise. What makes people think they aren't already? I suppose the level of patience, or passive retention of the ISPs and governments confuses some. I personally believe no data is destroyed, but I am sure a credible/. champion will humiliate me for admitting this.
I guess what I am saying, or spewing, is that it's going to take a lot development and hard work to even have a chance of things not sucking ultra badly in the future. And it's going to take a change on the same scale as their own ludicrous and grotesque proposals, but on the positive side. And their proposals are only becoming more and more insane. How insane will they get before one succeeds?
Might I pay you due respect by offering you my appreciation and support for your bravery in brandishing sensibility in this den of vicious wolves? You rock!
Just a few seconds earlier and I'd have spit a vodka cocktail all over my beloved keyboard. Fscking hilarious comment! And from the lesser amount of time I've been watching, true. I am now going to gently place Amon Amarth into vlc and further contemplate.
He actually was "very cool"; unlike many of the others at the facility, he was consistently kind and always respectful. This was unusual behavior there. Over the years that I encountered him on occasion, he was in a wheelchair, but was almost always cheery and seemingly astute. I have forgotten many from that place, but certainly not him. And if I could edit my comment above, it seems according to the memorial article, that he was not merely a good chess player, but a master.
So whenever, if ever you encounter a Clapper, now you've a bit extra.
Lemmie just telnet into NASA real quick...Nope. They said everything has been configured correctly this time. The IT guy came out of his coma.
- Gary M.
Maybe it is. But I think that it reflects much more negatively on the public than wikileaks if so. I know cryptome is no honey-pot. What should alarm us more than honey-pots is our collective ineffectualness in processing the information from such sources. It's almost like all the data in the world, exquisitely tailored to our liking, would have no effect either. It seems to me like world-leaders are treating the world along with humanity as a game, and like intoxicated children we play.
I did valet services for the inventor of the Clapper (and many other things) when I was a kid. His name was Eric A. Kolm, seemed a really nice fellow and a good chess player too.
Don't know......they stated in the video that each plant was a unique circuit and would therefore output unique results. Perhaps unlike a laminated tabletop, the plant also moves and changes too. I'd like to try it with a shaven cat. But here's a question; could this lead to a legalized form of audio-marijuana? You could listen but not smoke...
Reminds me of The Secret Life of Plants, a very interesting book that has been generally dismissed as quackery. I wonder if any of it will ever be redeemed through future discoveries.
And to all who laughed at the part of the video where the guy touches the cactus; me too!
I admire your reluctance to judge - though we definitely disagree on the video. People get convicted on less evidence many times per day. If you'll permit, whether you reply or not, I will leave this thread with the following facts:
The US imprisons more people per capita than any other developed nation.
We trade inmates on the stock market in the US. Crime is an industry.
An enormous portion of inmates are incarcerated for victimless crimes.
The first fact can be verified by many sources, including wikipedia. The second as well (I made the wiki stub on Correctional Services Corporation). The third should be apparent to any rational mind. Thousands and thousands of upstanding people are more than sick of police-state abuse. To be fair and unprovocative I'll leave it that. Thanks for making me think.
What kind of BS is this? Is this payed advertising from the FBI? Hackers = molester? Is sexual harassment part of government culture too? Next time select a better victim for libelous delusions, like astronauts or something. Certainly neither jock or tavern-slithering tough-guy has ever set a foul eye upon an innocent tart? Nope, only a putrid, pasty, libidinous hacker would do that. Yep, they MUST gain unauthorized access to your women. That's what it's all about. So hurry and unplug them before they've all been dragged down into the damp proverbial basement and irreparably ravaged by someone as terrible as Gary McKinnon! I can see it now:
Not that it should make much of a difference, but I'm beginning to suspect you are involved in law-enforcement in some way? I will tell you very directly that there are officers I would gladly assist any time. I am not anti police -- am anti corruption. But what you saw in that first video, aside from being narrated by a former officer, was 100% police brutality. I urge you to re-evaluate it. But there are far more than dozens of other examples to examine - far more!.
Finally, while I offer you respect even if in fact you are affiliated with law-enforcement, I also hope you will spare me of future dialogue; I am a chronically tired person and just don't want to waste my time talking to an iron fist, no matter how intelligent it is. Your evaluation of that first video is very suspicious to me and I honestly cannot imagine how anyone but an apologist could gather what you have. If not so, my sincere "thanks" for looking, but maybe have another glance.
Since the mainstream media misses so many of these events and fails terribly at interrelating them to examine the larger issue, you'll have to deal with the sources who are willing to. If you really are interested, I will find more recent and more specific examples. The above should be quite a headful.
Suffice it to say though, that I am very wary of giving excessive advantages to these "authorities".
"Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture,..."
..but it is well-known for being hacked. And considering their lateral (Lin/Mac) competition, they already have epic viruses and malware. But here's a suggestion anyway: Hack 8 into something between XP and $even. And stay away from the COFEE
I am reposting this from Friday:
In a recent Schneier post titled Court Orders TSA to Answer EPIC a menacing comment was left by what claimed to be 'Blogger Bob' from the TSA's blog. It may be and likely enough is a dupe, but seemed terribly appropriate for the TSA. I have pasted it below for your reading pleasure, for the second time:
"I've been asked to respond to this post in order to clarify misunderstandings that some people may have.
The TSA properly exempted itself from the requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act and the Sunshine Act. The TSA granted itself the exemption for valid reasons that must remain classified for National Security reasons, so you'll have to trust us on that.
The TSA also had a valid grounds for respectfully refusing to comply with both court orders. The reasons are also classified for National Security reasons, so again you'll have to trust us the refusal was appropriate and necessary. But I can tell you that the decision was based on thorough analysis of the latest robust intelligence pertaining to the current threat environment.
In both cases, TSA Counsel determined that any form of notice and comment rulemaking regarding the deployment of AIT would be detrimental to National Security, based on the classified determinations I referenced above. TSA Counsel prepared a classified memorandum exempting the agency from notice and comment requirements. TSA Counsel believes that the National Security determinations set forth in the classified memorandum give the TSA full authority to disregard any court orders requiring notice and comment rulemaking.
You are, of course, free to sign the petition. But it will have no more effect than the lawsuit or the court order. And do be aware that pursuant to classified TSA procedures, any names on the petition will be forwarded to the Terrorist Screening Center for possible inclusion on appropriate watch lists.
Thank you for allowing me to address your concerns about this matter."
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Though your reply is rather offtopic, I'll only tell you that: When Fancyman wants to say somethin', he just squeezes wunna his security ho's. Got dat? Yeaah u do...
Narcissistic Vulnerability Pimps unite! -- Lets slap these filthy, avaricious, arrogant little slatterns so hard they'll wake up hearing bells and think they're GTE again! Uhhh!
PS: see embedded link before moderating 'offtopic'. Fo Reeel yo
- Da Fancyman, and Purveyor of Hot Security Ho's, I mean Holes (U know wad I'm sayin)
Something I think many users of "disposable" phones fail to realize amidst their presumed anonymity is the factor of unique patterns. For example, if an individual suspected of dealing drugs or any other crime has a phone, chances are that the outgoing and incoming calls fit a pattern unique to that user. Even if frequently disposing of old phones and buying new phones, it hardly requires more than two or three calls to uniquely identify someone. You see, it is so wildly unlikely that anyone else in the world would call Alice's mother, The Dealer, and Bob, that anyone doing so is probably Alice. So even if Alice runs out and gets a brand new phone after every big deal, it may only require calling Bob and one other previously called individual to put a unique flag on a user. Unless the whole network replace their phones in an organized coordinated manner, they at least potentially give away their identity. I don't think it ever required a warrant to do that, but I don't know. As for tracking people via cell-phone, this news is appreciated, but no more to me than an affirmation of the already assumed.
It must be acknowledged the potential this odious beast holds for amusement. If this blubberous tyrannical skywhale were to get an infection, it could be quite a show. Maybe Anonymous will hack into the elephantine data-pig and make it hover over the pentagon while playing Kitaro for all 21 of its days. I hope Grumman has taken this into consideration and prepared the bastard with ample laser-disco-balls and extraordinary speakers. But instead of puking forth an abundance of guns like in Zardoz, it can spit out military-grade amphetamines, contraceptives and buckyballs.
Well I'm here to tell you folks; dno't use tihs siht on sadnwihces. It raelly fcuks up yuor typnig.
One example of your final paragraph is illustrated here.
According to wiki, more than 200 nanotech-silver products are on the market, which is probably enough to have some effect. Most distinctly, I remember Samsung being sued over their plans to distribute nano-silver lined washing/drying machines to hospitals. Samsung claimed that the machines would be so effective as to eliminate the need for bleach. Others claimed it would wreak havoc on municipal sewage-management which relies on bacteria to break down the waste.
The MAC and Hostname along with IP traffic are logged on the router. If you wish to observe this, I suggest 192.168.0.1 or something similar. Since Verizon has automagically changed the default passwords, you will no longer be able to use "password" and will need the serial-number instead. Since it has been a while since I logged into a Verizon router, you will have to navigate from there. Somewhere you will find the MAC and Hostname of associated clients. Although I doubt you are disputing this. What I am speculating, is that if Verizon can remotely change a user password without a user's permission, I see no unsurmountable barrier in the way of pausing for a moment to observe logs. Without the firmware code, I also fail to see what would prevent such data from being sent back "home". The MAC and Hostname are, as you should see in the router's UI, connected with IP traffic. As for the router's MAC, which I had never mentioned, I think Skyhook is handling that much, along with Google. But I also recall in Verizon's user agreement, the explicit demand of consent that the user permit them access to the host. Consult that agreement yourself; you are not worthy of my labors there, AC.
I have long suspected that in the US, Verizon is logging MAC addresses. I expect this for several reasons. The first is that a while back, Verizon remotely logged into customers wireless routers nationwide and changed the default password to the serial-number on the router. A great decision for security, but it illustrated some hitherto un-thought-of potential, at least to me. Verizon routers, which are mostly ActionTek and I think using some strange unix-based firmware, are not transparent as far as I know. They also log HostNames and MACs by default. Now if Verizon could log into routers remotely to change a password, then what prevents them from grabbing some MACs and other data on their way? User-side monitoring of this would be difficult because it would be outgoing from the router and you'd have to get into the cable somehow.
Now looky here a moment. Since maybe 1% or less users spoof their MACs, this could be a useful form of data. For example; say you had Verizon at home and took your laptop on vacation with you. Maybe you use a Verizon access-point along the way, maybe at an airport, hotel, or cafe, etc. If that router was participating, then regardless of cookies, IP, or anything else, you'd be uniquely identified.
Now before you go apeshit on me, I am not claiming they do this; I am suggesting it's possible, which at least speculatively answers your question, albeit possibly not your satisfaction. Of course both Hostnames and MAC's can be emulated by an attacker, it could also provide some extra legal fodder to other attackers.
Something big needs to change in the way we use the internet. The concept of ISP's being the gate-keepers who double as loose hussies for Authoritaria is a dead end. Is a P2P wireless distributed internet immune from censorship and central planning possible? Do I know exactly how to do this? No. But it can be done in theory, though not without a massive tantrum from Omnicontrolus, and a few bits of austerity. This may sound silly, but if something similar doesn't happen, then I think it's just going to be a perpetual fight with incremental casualties leading eventually to death, or some pathetic and crippled version of something previously beautiful. I think some of us might take for granted how much fighting it takes just to hold on to what we have, while taking grievous blows to privacy and still losing a little here and little there in the process.
/. champion will humiliate me for admitting this.
Perhaps it's a big-headed notion, but a formidable effort toward such a schema might at least distract these ravenous fiends enough to prevent them from purging freedom from the spectrum altogether. Maybe with the help of private satellites and (I don't know yet; do you?), it is realistic enough to try. I'd rather take some blows to bloat and luxury than to freedom.
In Germany, you can be fined for having an unencrypted AP -- if someone uses it for "illegal" file sharing. It'll be the same elsewhere soon enough. And it will get worse and worse, until you can't connect without a chip up the arse or job in "intelligence". Some say "Darknets", but is that not something the ISP's could crush easily enough? I actually don't know; I'm asking.
We've had the DHS (of all agencies!) taking down domains in the US. The "UK" wants to retain all user's ISP data. The "US" wants likewise. What makes people think they aren't already? I suppose the level of patience, or passive retention of the ISPs and governments confuses some. I personally believe no data is destroyed, but I am sure a credible
I guess what I am saying, or spewing, is that it's going to take a lot development and hard work to even have a chance of things not sucking ultra badly in the future. And it's going to take a change on the same scale as their own ludicrous and grotesque proposals, but on the positive side. And their proposals are only becoming more and more insane. How insane will they get before one succeeds?
Might I pay you due respect by offering you my appreciation and support for your bravery in brandishing sensibility in this den of vicious wolves? You rock!
Just a few seconds earlier and I'd have spit a vodka cocktail all over my beloved keyboard. Fscking hilarious comment! And from the lesser amount of time I've been watching, true. I am now going to gently place Amon Amarth into vlc and further contemplate.
He actually was "very cool"; unlike many of the others at the facility, he was consistently kind and always respectful. This was unusual behavior there. Over the years that I encountered him on occasion, he was in a wheelchair, but was almost always cheery and seemingly astute. I have forgotten many from that place, but certainly not him. And if I could edit my comment above, it seems according to the memorial article, that he was not merely a good chess player, but a master.
So whenever, if ever you encounter a Clapper, now you've a bit extra.
Lemmie just telnet into NASA real quick. ..Nope. They said everything has been configured correctly this time. The IT guy came out of his coma.
- Gary M.
Maybe it is. But I think that it reflects much more negatively on the public than wikileaks if so. I know cryptome is no honey-pot. What should alarm us more than honey-pots is our collective ineffectualness in processing the information from such sources. It's almost like all the data in the world, exquisitely tailored to our liking, would have no effect either. It seems to me like world-leaders are treating the world along with humanity as a game, and like intoxicated children we play.
I did valet services for the inventor of the Clapper (and many other things) when I was a kid. His name was Eric A. Kolm, seemed a really nice fellow and a good chess player too.
Don't know... ...they stated in the video that each plant was a unique circuit and would therefore output unique results. Perhaps unlike a laminated tabletop, the plant also moves and changes too. I'd like to try it with a shaven cat. But here's a question; could this lead to a legalized form of audio-marijuana? You could listen but not smoke...
Reminds me of The Secret Life of Plants, a very interesting book that has been generally dismissed as quackery. I wonder if any of it will ever be redeemed through future discoveries.
And to all who laughed at the part of the video where the guy touches the cactus; me too!
I admire your reluctance to judge - though we definitely disagree on the video. People get convicted on less evidence many times per day. If you'll permit, whether you reply or not, I will leave this thread with the following facts:
The US imprisons more people per capita than any other developed nation.
We trade inmates on the stock market in the US. Crime is an industry.
An enormous portion of inmates are incarcerated for victimless crimes.
The first fact can be verified by many sources, including wikipedia. The second as well (I made the wiki stub on Correctional Services Corporation). The third should be apparent to any rational mind. Thousands and thousands of upstanding people are more than sick of police-state abuse. To be fair and unprovocative I'll leave it that. Thanks for making me think.
What kind of BS is this? Is this payed advertising from the FBI? Hackers = molester? Is sexual harassment part of government culture too? Next time select a better victim for libelous delusions, like astronauts or something. Certainly neither jock or tavern-slithering tough-guy has ever set a foul eye upon an innocent tart? Nope, only a putrid, pasty, libidinous hacker would do that. Yep, they MUST gain unauthorized access to your women. That's what it's all about. So hurry and unplug them before they've all been dragged down into the damp proverbial basement and irreparably ravaged by someone as terrible as Gary McKinnon! I can see it now:
"Put on the alien mask now!"
"....wince"
They should put that fellow's face on the thousand-dollar bill when U.S. currency finally collapses.
Not that it should make much of a difference, but I'm beginning to suspect you are involved in law-enforcement in some way? I will tell you very directly that there are officers I would gladly assist any time. I am not anti police -- am anti corruption. But what you saw in that first video, aside from being narrated by a former officer, was 100% police brutality. I urge you to re-evaluate it. But there are far more than dozens of other examples to examine - far more!.
Finally, while I offer you respect even if in fact you are affiliated with law-enforcement, I also hope you will spare me of future dialogue; I am a chronically tired person and just don't want to waste my time talking to an iron fist, no matter how intelligent it is. Your evaluation of that first video is very suspicious to me and I honestly cannot imagine how anyone but an apologist could gather what you have. If not so, my sincere "thanks" for looking, but maybe have another glance.
A fair point; but it's interesting anyway, especially considering the source/location, IMO.
"links"
Aside from more than a few having been taken down from youtube by youtube, here's what i have for now. You'll very likely resent all sources involved, and while I dig up references to instances of police abusing photographers specifically, I will supply stuff I've gone over in the past, especially considering the latter part of your last reply: ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/7389 ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/5243 ~
http://info.themicroeffect.com/2011/06/23/rochester-police-arrest-woman-videotaping-a-traffic-stop-from-her-own-property/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/28/terrorist-breaks-serfs-nose-and-kicks-his-chest-in-for-video-taping-him/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/19/pastor-tells-a-pig-to-shove-it-after-pig-accuses-pastor-of-potentially-having-a-wmd/
Since the mainstream media misses so many of these events and fails terribly at interrelating them to examine the larger issue, you'll have to deal with the sources who are willing to. If you really are interested, I will find more recent and more specific examples. The above should be quite a headful.
Suffice it to say though, that I am very wary of giving excessive advantages to these "authorities".
"Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture,..."
..but it is well-known for being hacked. And considering their lateral (Lin/Mac) competition, they already have epic viruses and malware. But here's a suggestion anyway: Hack 8 into something between XP and $even. And stay away from the COFEE
I am reposting this from Friday:
In a recent Schneier post titled Court Orders TSA to Answer EPIC a menacing comment was left by what claimed to be 'Blogger Bob' from the TSA's blog. It may be and likely enough is a dupe, but seemed terribly appropriate for the TSA. I have pasted it below for your reading pleasure, for the second time:
"I've been asked to respond to this post in order to clarify misunderstandings that some people may have.
The TSA properly exempted itself from the requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act and the Sunshine Act. The TSA granted itself the exemption for valid reasons that must remain classified for National Security reasons, so you'll have to trust us on that.
The TSA also had a valid grounds for respectfully refusing to comply with both court orders. The reasons are also classified for National Security reasons, so again you'll have to trust us the refusal was appropriate and necessary. But I can tell you that the decision was based on thorough analysis of the latest robust intelligence pertaining to the current threat environment.
In both cases, TSA Counsel determined that any form of notice and comment rulemaking regarding the deployment of AIT would be detrimental to National Security, based on the classified determinations I referenced above. TSA Counsel prepared a classified memorandum exempting the agency from notice and comment requirements. TSA Counsel believes that the National Security determinations set forth in the classified memorandum give the TSA full authority to disregard any court orders requiring notice and comment rulemaking.
You are, of course, free to sign the petition. But it will have no more effect than the lawsuit or the court order. And do be aware that pursuant to classified TSA procedures, any names on the petition will be forwarded to the Terrorist Screening Center for possible inclusion on appropriate watch lists.
Thank you for allowing me to address your concerns about this matter."
Posted by: Blogger Bob at August 2, 2012 6:39 PM