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MSFT Reaches Out To Hackers: 'Do Epic $#!+'

hessian writes "Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture, but a recent effort to give its employees more slack is generating some wild experiments. Last summer, Microsoft completed a redesign of one of its original buildings on campus — Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be — into a laid-back workshop where staff can tinker with things. It's open to anyone, anytime, and it's got everything from a hardware workshop to an actual working garage door. If it doesn't sound to you like something Microsoft would normally do , the Garage's motto will really shock you: 'Do epic s--t.'"

249 comments

  1. f--k that motto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey Microsoft, this watering down is why you're sucking as a tech company.

    1. Re:f--k that motto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how are you doing, vlm?

    2. Re:f--k that motto by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you look at the picture in the f-----g article, you can see that that `shit' is very obviously present under the poor blur, and can conclude with reasonable confidence that it was CNN changed it.

  2. uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

    1. Re:uh oh by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      I was wondering about that. If the motto is actually "Do epic shit," that's a sign that someone at Microsoft gets it. If it's "Do epic $#!+" or "Do epic s--t," they don't.

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    2. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but mainly to "youngsters" with a sub-600 UID.

    3. Re:uh oh by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Just wait for the re-post / dupe story.

    4. Re:uh oh by Hentes · · Score: 1

      If it's "Do epic $#!+" ... ,they don't.

      You don't get it.

    5. Re:uh oh by craigminah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never understood why anyone censors "bad" words yet leaves enough letters there so people easily figure out what the word is. Is it the spelling that's offensive or do they think they're tricking kids?

    6. Re:uh oh by kwark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks for the link, it thought it was perl code before your hint.

    7. Re:uh oh by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its educational - they not only learn there ARE bad words, they get to figure out what they are!

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      Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
    8. Re:uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the deal is. I wonder if it originated with the Orthodox Jewish approach of writing "God" as "G-d", which was based on a sort of superstition against writing out the full word, even if it was obvious what the word was.

      In older English texts that want to censor such things, they seem to do a better job actually censoring the words so that they're removed entirely, replaced with just a mention that there was a swear, like "the man responded with an interjection not printable in a magazine of this type". That seems like the way to go if you're truly offended by them.

    9. Re:uh oh by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit', but Slashdot does (in two different ways?), does this mean MSFT is "hipper" than /. now?

      Indeed, they are; I've even heard that they are actually seriously considering a change of name from "Microsoft" to "Micros#%t" as part of becoming even hipper.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    10. Re:uh oh by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Indeed. From the link:

      One theory is that it was developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking. ... Variants of leet have been used for censorship purposes for many years; for instance "@$$" and "$#!+" are frequently seen to make a word appear censored to the untrained eye but obvious to a person familiar with leet.

      We've been able to write all kinds of Forbidden Words online for a long time now. The only reason for "leet" euphemisms nowadays is to call attention to how Daring and Naughty you are--which, frankly, is a pretty shitty reason.

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    11. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there we have it! You just made my day. Thank you sir.

    12. Re:uh oh by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The printed motto might be 'Do epic shit', but what they really mean is "Please do epic shit with Windows"

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    13. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the deal is. I wonder if it originated with the Orthodox Jewish approach of writing "God" as "G-d", which was based on a sort of superstition against writing out the full word, even if it was obvious what the word was.

      4

      second commandment

    14. Re:uh oh by joocemann · · Score: 1

      It means that the disease of being 'overly casual' has continued its spread upward, and that the dignity of the middle class will be defeated from within.

    15. Re:uh oh by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      The middle class, hoist on its own middle finger?

    16. Re:uh oh by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Well, if they all understood it, that would explain the Windows 8 interface.

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    17. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do epic $#!+ my dad says?

    18. Re:uh oh by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your analysis of how many folks with a 3-digit UID are left! Clearly we are among the few...

    19. Re:uh oh by UnoriginalBoringNick · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...And then embed them in their linux code contributions.

    20. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no Perl hacker, but $#!+ is obviously a syntax error.

    21. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what Epic has to say about this. They have done it with Windows for some time and it has smelled nice.

    22. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get the impression there isn't much in the way of rules for that little hackerspace, just as there isn't for Google's employee hackerspace.

      All they want is for folks to blog about their cool shit aferwards and mention Microsoft somewhere in there.

    23. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 999?

    24. Re:uh oh by oiron · · Score: 1

      Does that make Microsoft programmers scriptkiddies?

      Sure explains Vista and Win 8...

    25. Re:uh oh by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      thanks for your analysis of how many folks with a 3-digit UID are left! Clearly we are among the few...

      Now that Malda's gone, 998.

      What you are showing is how many are tedious wankers who post merely to show off their UID.

    26. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Windows 8 have opt out for sending usage data to Microsoft? Watch, if it does, many will turn it off and MS will claim usage data from the small few that left usage data tracking on.

      Then Windows 9 will be even more WTF than Windows 8.

    27. Re:uh oh by strikethree · · Score: 1

      "I wonder if it originated with the Orthodox Jewish approach of writing "God" as "G-d", which was based on a sort of superstition against writing out the full word, even if it was obvious what the word was."

      Hm. I thought the name of the Jewish God was YHVH, or, Jehovah. Weird.

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      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    28. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you offended by "the N word" ???

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

    29. Re:uh oh by isorox · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Microsoft doesn't bleep out the 'shit'

      Or vagina

    30. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, actually...

      $# is no longer supported at -e line 1.

    31. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 999?

      There are only 900 3-digit UIDs. From 100 to 999.

    32. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making any version of Windows after XP stable, secure, and bloat-free would be an epic hack - nigh impossible.

    33. Re:uh oh by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I haven't used Pearl, you're saying p34r1 is $#!+?

    34. Re:uh oh by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      They briefly considered the name "M#.net" but decided that Dotnet was no longer the wave of the future. Then rumors said that they wanted to rename themselves to "Metrosoft" but now they insist that they have always been "Modern UIsoft".

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    35. Re:uh oh by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Never understood why anyone censors "bad" words yet leaves enough letters there so people easily figure out what the word is.

      That's because in many places they'll yank your entire post for saying "shit," so you change it to "$#!+ or $hit to get past the automated filters in MSN messageboards.

      I laughed out loud last week when one of the news channels scrolled by. They had replaced "booby prize" with "bobby prize". Can't have the word Booby on TV now can we! Those birds are so evil!

    36. Re:uh oh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And quite a bizarre interpretation of it, too. I guess they don't want to accidentally violate the rule. About as weird as the idea that Sabbath means not operating an elevator, but it's OK to have someone else do it.

    37. Re:uh oh by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      You misspelled /\/\1cr050f+. "Micros#%t" is a $#1++y way to spell it.

    38. Re:uh oh by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Whatever they mean, it's a big step up from their previous motto, which was similar but missing the word 'epic'.

    39. Re:uh oh by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      maybe they meant "Do epic C#!"

    40. Re:uh oh by ZFox · · Score: 1

      About as weird as the idea that Sabbath means not operating an elevator,

      I would guess that stems from elevators originally being manually operated by a professional and so it is still considered work. I wonder if they are allowed to make ice cubes on the Sabbath...

    41. Re:uh oh by kmoser · · Score: 1

      No, they created Windows 8 before somebody added the word "epic" to the slogan.

    42. Re:uh oh by craigminah · · Score: 1

      I like how they say "ass" then bleep out "hole". Shouldn't it be the other way around or is the hole much more nasty than the ass? Kind of a chicken-or-the-egg question I spose...

    43. Re:uh oh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If I remember right, even light switches fall under that rule.

    44. Re:uh oh by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I guess "ass" is OK because "ass" is a synonym for "donkey", like "bitch" is OK because a bitch is a female dog. I like how they cut all the funny parts of a movie because there's "dirty words" but show all the blood and violence. They won't have the punk in Terminator" tell Arnold "fuck you, asshole" but they show Arnold yanking the guy's heart out of his chest.

      It's insane.

    45. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never understood why anyone censors "bad" words yet leaves enough letters there so people easily figure out what the word is. Is it the spelling that's offensive or do they think they're tricking kids?

      Probably the same reason you don't call someone a stupid bits or a pile of shiz. Yeah, we get what you're saying, but unless you say bitch or shit it doesn't have the same meaning or impact. Same deal with the written words.

  3. They forgot the second part by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...as long as it doesn't threaten our bottom line."

    1. Re:They forgot the second part by nine-times · · Score: 2

      And the related, implied, "... and it will probably never make it into any products."

    2. Re:They forgot the second part by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 1

      "...as long as it doesn't threaten our bottom line."

      That's kind of a given, though. Fat lot of good "epic shit" will do if it bankrupts the company...

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      Hyperbole: I use it liberally!
    3. Re:They forgot the second part by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then again, the reviews suggest Windows 8 ACTUALLY IS epic $#!+, and probably will bankrupt the company as a direct result of this situation.

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      Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
    4. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      more like "but we own the rights"

    5. Re:They forgot the second part by waveclaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like Microsoft Research, this will be a patent farm where ideas that threaten Microsoft's platform go to die.

      Maybe, just maybe, someone in marketing will decide they can make a product out of something from this new Microsoft lab. It may even be awesome. But you never know until after the research.

      It seems that whenever someone in management lets marketing smoke enough weed to even think about visiting the engineers we get something like Bob or ME or Vista or Metro.

      I wish them good luck. Changing corporate culture is very hard when 'those other guys in that other building' are easy to let go when the stock price tumbles for reasons known only to the Random Number God(s).

      --

      "You cannot have a General Will unless you have shared experiences. You cannot be fair to people you don't know."
    6. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the releases of Windows ME and Vista couldn't bankrupt them, why would another poorly received OS do the trick?

    7. Re:They forgot the second part by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Three times a charm?

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    8. Re:They forgot the second part by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually Win 8 may end up making them a mint, how? New Coke. Corps and people rush to buy Win 7 to keep from getting "stuck" with win 8, thus boosting their bottom line. After all MSFT was gonna put out a WinTab anyway so it isn't like they would have had to spend a ton sticking the UI they already had for WinTab onto X86, so they get all those that have been sitting on XP to go "ZOMFG if I don't get Win 7 I'm screwed!".

      Hell it worked for XP, I saw XP sales go up after the stench that is Vista and we all saw how quickly the OEMs jumped on with "Buy this unit with XP preinstalled!". Seems like a quick if nasty way to get your customers to buy your product, MSFT gets paid either way, no skin off their ass.

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    9. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, the reviews suggest Windows 8 ACTUALLY IS epic $#!+, and probably will bankrupt the company as a direct result of this situation.

      I find it hilarious that there are a group of people who hold this belief that Windows 8 is going to be the death of Microsoft because it is so terrible, then there is another group (and probably some overlap) that when the discussion turns to Windows 8 implementing UEFI secureboot, feel it (and WindowsRT) are going to be so successful that all motherboard manufacturers and OEMs will kowtow to Microsoft on Windows 8's secureboot demands and that this will enable them to go even further to lock everything down in the future and because Windows 8 is so good nobody will oppose those restrictions or sell anything without those restrictions. Also WindowsRT will own the tablet space (beating out Android and iOS) and its restriction on only booting Windows will set a precedent for all future tablets.

      Now what is stranger is that you would expect there to be extensive discussions/debates in these stories between SecureBoot Doomsayers and Microsoft Doomsayers but i haven't seen any, where's the Microsoft is going to rule the world! No Microsoft is going to go bankrupt! debate???

    10. Re:They forgot the second part by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      It seems that whenever someone in management lets marketing smoke enough weed to even think about visiting the engineers we get something like Bob or ME or Vista or Metro.

      I don't think Vista belongs in that category. It seems to me that the driving force behind Vista was always from the engineers - they just weren't very good.

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    11. Re:They forgot the second part by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      They are trying to artificially regenerate creativity in a company that has become bogged down in corporate politics sociopathic stoginess, where everyone is ready to stab everyone else in the back to get ahead. Problem is this area becomes political in and off itself, with two results happening. Employees either drop by to stick in a crap idea to become politically visible, high risk or it becomes a place to kill your career as those that don't take the risk target those that do (the more politically aware sociopathic types who lack creativity and imagination, the Ballmerites).

      Rather than doing stuff like this, it is far more sensible to break up the company, monopoly exploitation in one group (windows, office and the career psychopaths under Ballmer) and creativity in the other group (MSN network and the creative types).

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    12. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows Me and Vista still have the desktop and start menu. Windows 8 will be tile clutter for a lot of programs.

      In fact, when I use the Start Menu in Vista, it's always Start, then All Programs, then selecting the program folder, then selecting the program to run. I've never used start menu search except when following MS knowledge base articles. Commonly used programs get a taskbar shortcut.

      This is consistent with how the start menu has been used in win95, nt4, 98/98se, me, XP, vista, and 7. WTF, why change just for the sake of change? The desktop PC is not a tablet nor a phone!

    13. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, Vista is still broken when download of new Windows Update software also ends up causing programs to crash due to DEP when they did not previously crash. For example would be Fritz 9 that ran fine in Vista SP2 64-bit up until the last update of Windows Update software... now running in any 3D board crashes on subsequent launch due to DEP. This includes even setting a DEP exception.

      Thus why Data Execution Prevention is still subject to breaking programs that worked until the last Windows Update.

      As designed, it sucks, and is not the program vendor's fault.

    14. Re:They forgot the second part by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      You forgot Bob.

    15. Re:They forgot the second part by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      As with all shit, people will pretend it's gold. Look at Gnome3. It is so far away from a traditional desktop, and there people which like it. I'm not saying that it is bad, it's just not what many people want.

      The same will happen with Windows 8...while many people will take a step backwards, there will be some which go "Look, I can now unlock the login screen when I swipe with my mouse! This is awesome!" - "Yeah...previously I just typed my username..." on us...and you can bet that it will find it's way into the corporations. Actually, I think it will do more damage to everyone else then to Microsoft.

    16. Re:They forgot the second part by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yeah Win8's gonna bomb harder than ME or Vista, and it will really damage MS' reputation this time. It's too bad there's no noob-ready Linux distro to accept the refugees like there was when Vista came out since Canonical is doing the exact same thing.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    17. Re:They forgot the second part by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Save yourself some time, and just hit Win key (or CTRL+Esc), and type a few letters of the program's name and hit Enter. Use "All programs" when you forget the program's name. Windows 8 supports that same search shortcut in an entirely different UI, but that will at least make it bearable.

    18. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least gnome3 can be made to roughly work and look like gnome2... No such luck with this thing. Anyway I kinda like gnome3 (after spending far too long customising it, but still, I don't think it's *that* bad)

    19. Re:They forgot the second part by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      Your sig answers your own post about whether or not Microsoft will suffer from this.

    20. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista

      What allowed Vista to happen was that they had people who had the bright idea of adopting .NET and other questionable technologies. The resulting system was so crappy, slow and unstable that they had to reset development in mid 2004. From that point on they spent just enough time to rush something out the door. Windows 7 was about polishing that crap to produce something resembling what it should have been.

    21. Re:They forgot the second part by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Um, Vista is still broken when download of new Windows Update software also ends up causing programs to crash due to DEP when they did not previously crash. For example would be Fritz 9 that ran fine in Vista SP2 64-bit up until the last update of Windows Update software... now running in any 3D board crashes on subsequent launch due to DEP. This includes even setting a DEP exception.

      Thus why Data Execution Prevention is still subject to breaking programs that worked until the last Windows Update.

      As designed, it sucks, and is not the program vendor's fault.

      Yes, but Microsoft's marketing department had absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Vista is terrible because the engineers were incompetent, not because the marketing department smoked too much weed.

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    22. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save myself time? Nope, I'd rather save myself money by totally skipping Win8.

      Besides having a horseshit UI (Metro? Modern? Bob 2.0?), I find the incessant shameless plugging of the Microsoft App Store on Win8 to be totally obnoxious. I hope everyone boycotts this mandatory tax for Microsoft and use their own digital distribution channel.

    23. Re:They forgot the second part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Debian may not exactly be known as a "noob-ready" distro and it's definitely more difficult to do certain things like get the nVidia drivers properly set up without destroying the working X configuration and leaving you staring at a black terminal, but at least Debian is going to be releasing the next version with Xfce instead of GNOME. Not because GNOME 3 sucks (IMO, it does... massively), but because the damn thing's too bloated... er, I mean, "big" to fit on the first CD. It can also be a pain to get many wireless cards working in it; I'm hoping the next release brings some big improvements there.

  4. metal shop is all the rage in tech right now by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    And MS is still following Google in a way. Google didn't build on-campus but they signed up with Tech Shop a while back.

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    1. Re:metal shop is all the rage in tech right now by Animats · · Score: 1

      Google didn't build on-campus but they signed up with Tech Shop a while back.

      Google does have an on-campus shop for employees. They're not doing much at TechShop. They've done team-building events at the Menlo Park TechShop, and downloaded and cut out a model of a bridge on the plasma cutter. One or two Google employees go there now and then. But it's not a big thing.

  5. Epic? by lagi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Epic $#!+ can't come out of sitting in "Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be ..." and pretending it's hacker's garage.
    you need a real garage, with real hackers in it, don't think Microsoft's engineers will do the trick.

    1. Re:Epic? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Many of their engineers still have a heart and haven't had it burnt out yet by the corporate grind.

      But it will take a lot more than this to bring them out. They need an entire corporate culture change, not just a 'play room' down the hall with a cute sign and a big door.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    2. Re:Epic? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      One option to foster that kind of environment within a large company is to actually set up a physically separate reporting structure, a sort of startup within a large company. That can fail too, but it's sometimes worked. Microsoft themselves had some success doing that with the original Windows NT team.

    3. Re:Epic? by Chuckstar · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I was thinking. You don't fix corporate culture through interior design.

    4. Re:Epic? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      A real garage.. with two guys named Steve (not related to Balmer). That should do it.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:Epic? by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1

      Epic $#!+ can't come out of sitting in "Building 4, where Bill Gates' office used to be ..."

      Look. They've converted Building 4 into a huge outhouse where you can do an epic $#!+. What more could you want? (Apart from softer paper...)

    6. Re:Epic? by Psicopatico · · Score: 2

      Some rumors say in Building 4 there's an epic toilet...

      --
      Mastering the English language is fucking easy: all you have to do is to put an f* word in every fucking sentence.
  6. "$#!+" ? "s--t" ? by Solozerk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really ? the word is censored both times in TFS and even the image itself is blurred in TFA.
    Are we really so prude and puritan as a culture that we can't even bring ourselves to write "SHIT" ?

    This goes beyond political correctness - it's frankly ridiculous.

  7. They've got real hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Angelina "Acid Burn" Jolie and Matthew "Cereal Killer" Lillard will be stopping by.

  8. Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters. by vlm · · Score: 1

    I think its totally appropriate. It shows the PR campaign is completely watered down and most likely so is the actual project, assuming there is any project other than the PR campaign.

    Now if it were real, instead of a PR stunt, then it would be inappropriate.

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    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  9. You can tell immediately by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1, Insightful

    when a company tries to exploit a culture that isn't truly core to them. That 1337 5P34K motto sounds so incredibly phony it's pathetic.

    Microsoft, here's a hint for you: 133T 5P34K stopped being cool 10 years ago.

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    1. Re:You can tell immediately by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Yet people here still say "pwn" far too frequently.

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    2. Re:You can tell immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I disagree, but doesn't your argument about age making things uncool sort of make your username a bit of a slap in your own face? How old is that show now... 30 years?

    3. Re:You can tell immediately by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Well, we can't all drive 93 escort wagons. Some of us have to drive the Chevy Caprice classics.

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    4. Re:You can tell immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I approve of this comment. I also own a Chevy Caprice.

    5. Re:You can tell immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, leet speak did not stop being cool 10 years ago. It never was cool.

    6. Re:You can tell immediately by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      0xB16B00B5

    7. Re:You can tell immediately by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Quite often that's a legitimate typo. The O is right next to the P on a qwerty keyboard. About the only time I ever see it (or write it) is when trying to be funny.

  10. reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you suq my dix you fuqqer. Not everyone here is allowed to see naughty words. I, for one, will be grounded by my bytch mom if she sees I've read your post, you insensitive clod!

  11. Mouse Without Borders by Naedst · · Score: 1

    Haven't heard of much else from Microsoft Garage than Mouse Without Borders. Does anyone have any other examples?

    1. Re:Mouse Without Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A windows only clone of Synergy is all they can come up with? Hardly epic shit.

    2. Re:Mouse Without Borders by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      For Microsoft programmers it is.

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      Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
    3. Re:Mouse Without Borders by Achra · · Score: 1

      A buggy as hell windows only clone of Synergy is all they can come up with? Hardly epic shit.

      There, I fixed that for you. "Mouse Without Borders" is a cute idea but unless you like the occasional full system lockup, stick with synergy.

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      Each processor would proceed sequentially as if it had been better for them not to rise against Saul.
    4. Re:Mouse Without Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fiddler was built in the garage", or so the internal propaganda declared.

    5. Re:Mouse Without Borders by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I think there's other interpretations of that same wording that would mean what you want it to mean. You know, like feces of epic proportions.

  12. A tiny fraction of what's needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, there needs to be a company culture in which people dare to take time to play in a facility like that.

    Second, there needs to be an outside chance that the epic "s--t" will actually see the light of day and not be stomped on by Steve Ballmer because it doesn't run Windows.

    Third, there needs to be infrastructure. One MS manager I know tried to order a bookshelf to store technical references for the group's use. The request was denied because the bookshelf wasn't a standard item. What happens when a hacker orders something random?

    Fourth, for people who aren't pure hackers but have some self-interest, there needs to be some believable financial benefit to developing something cool

    Without all that, this idea is sheer cargo cult.

    1. Re:A tiny fraction of what's needed by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      ...this idea is sheer cargo cult.

      Out of the mouths of anonymous cowards...

  13. MSFT is hip now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, daddyo.

    I'll tell Dobie and Maynard at the hootenanny tonight!

    1. Re:MSFT is hip now? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Maynard won't be there, unfortunately - he's stuck on some uncharted desert isle.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    2. Re:MSFT is hip now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      -- INTERNAL MEMO --

      From the desk of Steven Anthony Ballmer to all Microsoft Associates:

      In an effort to improve our image, we're asking all employees to behave as "hip cats". All customer facing communications regarding our projects will be referred to as either "the bees knees", or "the cat's pajamas". Your choice.

      Ciggy's are henceforth allowed on the premesis, dolls on campus are encouraged to bob their hair and show off their gams.

      These efforts are intended to attract the swankiest of the sheiks, so we can bust Apple right in the kisser.

      Employment of those failing to comply will be terminated.

    3. Re:MSFT is hip now? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      right in the kisser

      yo terminated... dawg

    4. Re:MSFT is hip now? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that has trouble associating gams with legs? I always think dentures when I hear it. I have no idea why.

  14. It's all... by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...too late.

  15. acid burn was a man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    besides the movie the real acid was a guy. NICE of course that hollystupid needs a chick with big tits....female hackers tend to be all about piracy and images and websites flashy crap

    1. Re:acid burn was a man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, spoken like a true scriptkiddie who has never seen a pair of tits outside his mother's basement... every time she comes down to tuck him in at night.

      Female hackers tend to be a lot like male hackers, except with tits, and because of those they are usually terminally shy and withdrawn. No wait, my mistake... that's because of guys like you.

    2. Re:acid burn was a man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not a fan of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series I bet.

  16. "$#!+" ? "s--t" ? by jovius · · Score: 1

    I'd rather avoid epic shits anyway. Epic blurs sound interesting though.

  17. Epic Shite by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Wow! How much more epic can one company get?

  18. I know what can improve Microsoft! by Alex+Belits · · Score: 0, Troll

    I know, what can turn Microsoft into a decent company, but it involves mass murder.

    --
    Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
    1. Re:I know what can improve Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why the "but", 437?

    2. Re:I know what can improve Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I only had a mod point :(
      +Funny

    3. Re:I know what can improve Microsoft! by PPH · · Score: 1

      Not worth it. You could get the chair for that.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    4. Re:I know what can improve Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Killing only you isn't mass murder though.

    5. Re:I know what can improve Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's such a shame that Alex Belits AKA Richard Simmons over there didn't die when he got mugged and stabbed like a little bitch on the "dangerous" streets of San Fagsicko.

  19. 1st obama now msft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gee wonder why the need to get hackers on board all a sudden eh? MAYBE all that screwing with humankind is starting to show the truth about the system your creating that it just plain sucks at creation. GOOD LUCK and THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH.....

    again f--k --f

  20. Re:Linus did that! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Whoah! Microsoft! You baddasses really gone hack up the future!

    I foresee an AWESOME sea change coming!

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  21. ..isn't known for.. by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft isn't exactly known for its underground hacker culture,..."

    ..but it is well-known for being hacked. And considering their lateral (Lin/Mac) competition, they already have epic viruses and malware. But here's a suggestion anyway: Hack 8 into something between XP and $even. And stay away from the COFEE

    --
    Forward! -- Emperor Norton, 2012
  22. In the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SKY!

  23. Ah, the freedom of wireless! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd rather avoid epic shits anyway.

    Then I'd better flush now (and blame the Chinese food I had for dinner last night).

  24. Hey hackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GO KILL THE METRO INTERFACE!

    NUKE IT FROM ORBIT!

    This would be good for the entire planet. Or at least less annoying for alot of people than what microshit has planned.

  25. lol @ microsoft trying to be cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    using shitty meme vocab ain't hip, bro.

  26. That would be fine and dandy... by LocalH · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...if they were actually using leetspeak. Hint: the motto is "Do epic shit.", not "Do epic $#!+"

    --
    FC Closer
    1. Re:That would be fine and dandy... by lurker1997 · · Score: 1

      Its still not really very authentic to refer to something as "epic" these days though is it? By that I mean would an ordinary person very often call something "epic" on their own in conversation? I thought this came from the "epic fail" craze a few years ago involving pictures of soccer players getting kicked in the crotch or whatever. Now the only things I hear described as "epic" are car dealerships and other advertisers that are behind the times trying to appeal to youth.

    2. Re:That would be fine and dandy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're the one who is out of touch. The whole "epic" and "fail" craze is still as popular as they ever were.

    3. Re:That would be fine and dandy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, GP suffered an epic with-it-ness fail!

  27. CNN Censored it. by blowdart · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not censored in the pictures of the slogan that neowin has or SCM Magazine.

    It wasn't that hard to search for either. However it was probably harder than the knee jerk reaction shown above.

    1. Re:CNN Censored it. by rbrausse · · Score: 1

      but in a way both your links prove OP's point: CNN is blurring the oh so evil word, only an Australien outfit and some site with the slogan "Where unprofessional journalism looks better" displaying it unaltered

  28. what !@#$% is the point??? by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not that MSFT employees don't have good ideas; the problem is that management kills them (the ideas that is).

    1. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Archis · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking too. Employees do do epic shit - this is just belittling (feel free to correct my spelling) their own employees.

    2. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Achra · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is not that MSFT employees don't have good ideas; the problem is that management kills them...

      Microsoft doesn't only kill the ideas. They also kill the employees too. (Spiritually). I notice that Microsoft isn't giving any employees any time allocation to do their epic shit. It's something that you can do in your "off time". Since the standard work week for a salaried employee at Microsoft is "Any 80 hours a week you want", I don't see too many people spending too much time in this "garage". Maybe a few recent grads that don't have any reason to go home after work.. but I wouldn't be there, that's for sure.

      --
      Each processor would proceed sequentially as if it had been better for them not to rise against Saul.
    3. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      (feel free to correct my spelling)

      doo doo epic shit

      Obliged.

      --
      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    4. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I disagree. From what I've seen, Metro truly is epic shit.

    5. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Great point. That is hardly unique to Microsoft (although MS does have enormous resources that make such killing of employee initiative more gratuitous).

    6. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's just completely false. I know you hate Microsoft, but you're obviously writing from total ignorance. I've worked at Microsoft for years, and there is plenty of goofing off and just general creativity. Any group (inside or outside Microsoft) that drives people at 80 hours/week forever is just doomed to failure, because they will burn people out and destroy their most important asset.

    7. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

      Exactly - they've had research group that does the exact same thing as this for the past 20 years.

      It's coincidentally called "Microsoft Research" - and every cool thing that everybody from Microsoft's own OS engineers to *nix and BSD people think are a good ideas, which their management promptly kills, because "it doesn't push MS Office or Internet Explorer (basically insert other MS product here)" onto corporate IT and home users more.

    8. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hire people who have Microsoft in their resume for more than a year, my take is you're burned out after they're done with you
      and you're an asswipe for having stayed on for so long.

    9. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by sribe · · Score: 1

      ... because "it doesn't push MS Office or Internet Explorer" onto corporate IT and home users more.

      Fixed that for you.

    10. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a manager ("the view is great from up here on my employees' broken backs") or a PM ("coffee 9-10, meetings 10-12, lunch 12-1, golf 1-5").

      And God forbid an employee ever mention how f'd up things really are, that's an instant invitation to pursue a new career.

      And yes, I work there. I work on some really cool stuff. I'm also hopefully quitting soon to work in a less abusive environment.

    11. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      I'm a dev at MS (DevDiv), and I work regular 40-hour work weeks. Yes, really.

      I'm not saying it's all rainbows and unicorns, and I'm kinda jealous of that 20% "do epic shit" (hah!) time that Googlers - well, some of them, at least - get. But MS is not a sweatshop in any meaningful sense. In fact, it has fewer "crunches" than what I've seen in software development shops on average in my past experience.

      At least not where I'm sitting. It's a big company, and, from talking to people, various divisions seem to differ a lot in how they do things. So I'm not going to claim that you're lying. Who knows, perhaps some misguided but high-ranked manager somewhere in the company thinks that 80 hrs/week is the part of that magical Agile recipe or something...

    12. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do you survive the stack ranking system by gaming it somehow or by giving good blowjobs?

    14. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      It's always nice to meet a bigot. I'm glad I'll never work for/with you, too.

    15. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      No, actually, I'm an architect. I have managed teams from 2 to 8 people, and currently, I manage 2 people (which I think is ideal). And in my group, an architect is someone who spends the majority of their time designing *and implementing*. Nice try, though.

      If you don't like your environment, then sack up and leave. It's really that simple.

    16. Re:what !@#$% is the point??? by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhh, nice one! Yeah, that's real fucking mature. I have "survived" the stack ranking system by doing good work, year after year. I have been promoted many times, and I have promoted (or been part of the group that promoted) plenty of people. I even left Microsoft to take time off to do different things (cycling, traveling), worked elsewhere, and yet still liked the company enough to come back again. No drama, no gaming it -- I just work with good people. Maybe that's hard for you to believe, but that's your problem. Again, I know you hate Microsoft -- but that doesn't mean that the object of your hatred conforms to your expectations of it.

  29. "$#!+" ? "s--t" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have seen the /. article on Microsoft's beach party. All of the guys' tits were blurred out.

    And now I'm getting a filter error for this for junk characters unless I delete the "Re:" from the title. More censorship. Lame.

  30. And they came up with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Windows 8.

  31. I took an epic shit at the Microsoft campus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
    A few years ago, Microsoft was interested in buying up my startup company, sort of an acqui-hire type thing since the company was basically me, some patents, and some tech demos. I visited their campus during the talks to see how if I could get along with their culture. Anyhow, they took me to an "authentic" (if tex-mex is authentic) mexican restaurant. Wouldn't you know, I ended up with a massive case of the shits an hour later. I must have been on their toilet for hour, pissing shit out my asshole and releasing a vast quantity of ass-gas. At one point they, sent someone in to check on me.

    By the time I was done, the entire bathroom reeked of death and there were numerous shit streaks all along the wall and floor of my stall.

    1. Re:I took an epic shit at the Microsoft campus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're hired!

  32. Re: bad words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A lot of semi-automated online venues have filters that force out the real spellings of the bad words, either like the dashes, or maybe even denying the post in the first place.

    You're right about one sense, you go "Here's call of Duty 4, shoot to kill as many people as you can. Over here, is the word shit that we can't bear to actually see spelled."

  33. Hot tech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy crap a real garage door and it works!!1!...amazing tech...Microsoft is zooming into the future with that one!

    1. Re:Hot tech! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      "I wanna hook it up to my wireless Metro phone and open and close it and turn on the lights!"

      "We must let the lawyers give it the once over."

      (eight months later)
      "Our lawyers have decided the risk is too great for you to even try it. Also, we no longer produce Metro OS for phones. If you mention your idea, you will be in violation of our NDA."

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      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  34. Hometown Hacker Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a hacker space in liverpool called DoES/Do Epic Shit

  35. Hate hate hate by bratmobile · · Score: 1

    Jesus christ, people. MS does something halfway cool, and all you can do is moan about it.

    1. Re:Hate hate hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ, people. MS does something halfway cool, and all you can do is moan about it.

      Yea cool like a webpage emailing phone tester.. and a nfc transmitter..
      Thats way more EPIC than a Car that drives itself, a company funded space shuttle for space travel, or a grid array of computers to cure cancer or clone fluffy.
      No your correct we should not poke fun at microsoft anymore... because honestly the joke is a little old by now.

    2. Re:Hate hate hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is also bragging about it, and since it isn't what they make it out to be, there is reason to ridicule.

      Having a place in which to do self-directed RnD isn't very useful if you don't have any time to do it. Did Microsoft also start padding all deadlines with time blocks for employees to do this sort of thing? Or are they just suppose to do this with what precious little free time they have left over after they have worked the long hours that Microsoft always demands?

    3. Re:Hate hate hate by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      Microsoft isn't "bragging about it." Someone ran an article on something that Microsoft is doing. Big difference. Also, if anyone can drop in at any time, then that explodes your criticism about poor, overworked Microsoft employees -- because it isn't limited to Microsoft employees. Unemployed highschool kids could drop in.

      The "long hours" thing is mostly a myth. I've worked at Microsoft for 12 years now, and in most groups I've been in, "crunch time" is fairly short. Groups that run people to death generally don't survive, because they destroy their best people or drive them away. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not the norm.

      And second, the "20% time" at Google is also largely a myth, and is largely a way to shoot your own career in the foot. I've got several friends in Google, and they all say the same thing -- the 20% time is marketing hype, used to hook gullible college kids. If you actually work at 80% capacity on your day job, then you lose out to your peers who are working 100% on their day job. The 20% is just a way to screw yourself.

    4. Re:Hate hate hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you have to have a "crunch time" at all just reeks of mis-management. This isn't the 90's anymore. You're a manageable commodity, not a programming superstar.

    5. Re:Hate hate hate by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      Oh, please. You have obviously never worked a serious job, in any kind of creative endeavor. Ever. I love my job, and I love the work I am doing. Should I sit on my ass and miss an important deadline? Should I let my team down, let down the mission? Hell no, I'm going to make it happen. Find me one single successful company that wasn't built on the exact same gotta-do-it spirit. Go read about the history of ANY serious development effort, and you will find plenty of people going far beyond what a 40-hour/week job demands. I would WANT a job that was a dull 9-5 punch-in punch-out 40-hour-week. I love going above and beyond the call, when it's needed. And I don't destroy myself or my family to do it.

  36. Spare time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet MSFT reap the rewards and the MSFT employee gets a lump of plastic cube award to sit on their desk like their patent cubes worth a whole 20 cents.

    Big deal, I worked there for a decade, now I got a real job that pays and anything I do in my spare time, goes to ME because I do it in MY spare time.

  37. "make mobile payments with just their bodies" ...? by drkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    I liked the line in the original article:

    one Microsoft Office developer is currently working in the Garage on a tool allowing people to make mobile payments with just their bodies.

    I think this already goes on all over the world.
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/housewife-charged-in-sexforsecurity-scam,1773/

  38. A cool space with a working garage door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's SO Microsoft. They invested corporate funds to create a space looks, feels, and sounds the way a real tinkerer's garage is supposed to.... what could be missing?

    1. Re:A cool space with a working garage door by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they put real actors in there to look like hackers or if they use animatronics XD

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  39. Here's some epic shit: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Break UEFI on ARM.

  40. Re:MSFT's epic quest to emulate Google... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Ya, "me too" with the skunkworks.

    We shall see if it produces anything, or if in 5 years we read about all kinds of ideas that Microsoft declared ownership over, then shelved, from bitching employees who left in disgust.

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    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  41. What's with the plagiarism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFS begins with "hessian writes" and then there's a block quote with nothing but sentences from TFA.

  42. haven't they done that all along? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't they done epic s--t since inception? Just change the name to Micros--t. Done and done ...

  43. What we really mean is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Patient Epic $#!+

    1. Re:What we really mean is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually what they were really saying was "Do Eric Schmidt!"

  44. Cute office space != Culture transplant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have to post anonymously for this one, as it's about my current workplace...

    I work for an IT service provider that services a very staid, boring, stick-in-the-mud industry. The company has been around since the 50s, is multinational, and has a very management-heavy, bureaucracy-laden culture. Our engineering teams (including the one I'm on) are pretty much allowed to operate around this whole mess because we build their products and services. And the industry we serve is concerned with reliable, always-on service ONLY, nothing else. As Engineering, we give that to them with a minimum of fuss, often completely end-running the layers of bureaucracy to make sure things stay alive.

    All of a sudden last year, the company brought in the usual suspects from the management consultant universe, who suggested a radical culture shift. One of the other division offices (not ours)got gutted and turned into a clone of the Google office pictures that have leaked to the web. All the fun happy stuff from the Hipster Twentysomething Web 2.0 Culture Checklist is there -- no offices, hot desking, open floor plan, beanbag chairs, large common areas, and a cutesy color scheme and design pattern reflecting our company's core customers' business.

    The problem is that nothing else has changed. People are still stuck in the same mindset, but now they're sitting in beanbag chairs doing it or trying to be heard over the noise of their colleagues in one of these open-area offices. I'm actually one of those people who prefers a private office or cube with enough quiet to be able to work, so I'm glad our office didn't get transformed (yet.)

    So, Microsoft can change anything they want, but it won't bring back the hacker culture and 90s startup feel unless they start actively cultivating that mindset. As far as I can tell, it's too late for that -- there's way too much at stake to make radical changes. I'm betting that SP1 of Windows 8 will let businesses remove the Metro (or whatever it is now) interface, just to keep the status quo going.

    I think that once a company gets established, there's no easy way to bring it back to startup mode. I'm not even sure that's the right thing to do. For example. I'm older now (late 30s) and lack the desire to work 90-hour weeks for a company, just because I have a life -- married with children and all that. Almost everyone else my age who is still in the startup, 90-hour, gotta-do-this-for-the-team crowd is divorced, headed that way or permanently single, and has nothing going on outside of work. I work hard, but something really has to be on fire that no one else can fix if any employer expects tons of extra work. I work hard already keeping my skills sharp outside of work so I don't end up unemployed... The problem is companies don't understand that people who aren't just out of school have a lot of good experience, so I don't know if the relentless focus on startup culture is a good solution.

    1. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Awesome post. Blew 15 modpoints yesterday so all I can do is a: +1 Insightful (moral)

    2. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by bratmobile · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I work at a group in Microsoft, and you are just completely effing clueless. My specific group is more fun than any startup I've worked in (I've worked through two startups), and many other groups that I work with are just as healthy, productive, and focused. The work we are doing is on a long time-scale (meaning, we're not driven into making bad trade-offs just to meet idiotic short-term deadlines), it's significant, and I think it will have a significant impact when the time is ready. Your hatred for Microsoft doesn't mean that the object of your hatred conforms to your views. First you set up a straw-man argument, assuming that what Microsoft is doing is exactly what your own dysfunctional company is doing. Then you basically say that Microsoft is doomed because your own situation is terrible. That's simply a fallacy.

    3. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      I see nothing in AC's post that implied, much less stated, a "hatred for Microsoft". All he said was that you can't create a maker-culture by corporate fiat, unless you change the whole company, and that managers (and marketing consultants) tend to forget that.

      You seem to be the one projecting, not him/her/it.

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    4. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Simpsons did it, see "Marge Gets a Job"...alas I cannot find a clip of the relevant portion but there is a joke where Marge is concerned that all the employees are depressed and/or suicidal, so she suggests piping in some Tom Jones music and having funny hat days....cut to the employees wearing funny hats and listening to Tom Jones, while still being depressed and suicidal...

    5. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Your hatred for Microsoft doesn't mean that the object of your hatred conforms to your views. First you set up a straw-man argument, assuming that what Microsoft is doing is exactly what your own dysfunctional company is doing. Then you basically say that Microsoft is doomed because your own situation is terrible. That's simply a fallacy.

      I don't see where the post you replied to even mentions Microsoft. You come off as awfully angry and defensive for someone who works in such a healthy and productive environment.

    6. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by isorox · · Score: 1

      I'm actually one of those people who prefers a private office or cube with enough quiet to be able to work, so I'm glad our office didn't get transformed (yet.)

      Mine did, however I'm lucky in that my boss will let me work from home whenever I want. My recent pattern is 2 days in the local office, 1 day in headquarters with most of my team, or another office, 2 days at home, and 1 week a month abroad.

      1 weekly skype call (which is at 5AM when I'm in Washington *grrrr*) and occasional ad-hoc skype/phone/emails and it works great.

    7. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      You're obviously new to Slashdot. Welcome!

    8. Re:Cute office space != Culture transplant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lemme guess bratmobile... you work in the Microsoft Astroturfing Group/Division/Department?

      Keep shilling and keep projecting, champ.

  45. The problem lies in MS execution. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

    Microsofts problem is not that they cant come up with new stuff. Their biggest problem seems to be surfacing the second the upper management gets their hands on something and it gets killed in corporate politics and infighting. Microsoft has probably had ten, nay twenty people who has come up with something very close to both Android and iPhone, and Windows Phone was probably not that bad to start with. But, as soon as management got their hands on it it turned to crap.

    Just as Microsoft Research, this unit is all about PR and will not get the chance to make anything. Any product they manage to come up with will die the death of a thousand PHB.

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  46. Epic shit: try visiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ratemypoo.com. It's where i post mine

  47. Epic Hacking? Microsoft? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1
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  48. I like it by SebastianJB · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good investment.

  49. An epic freakin butterfly?? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2

    A giant mech warrior that throws chairs and can rip cars in half would be epic. A stress indicator butterfly? Not so much.

    OTOH it might help protect the microsofties from Ballmer if they could get him to wear one.

    1. Re:An epic freakin butterfly?? by bratmobile · · Score: 1

      Oh no, people get to do whatever they want and be creative, in a space provided by their employer. Yeah, that's such a terrible thing. It's even more terrible that what they want to do doesn't conform to your own expectations. Booooooo hooooo.

    2. Re:An epic freakin butterfly?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A giant mech warrior that throws chairs and can rip cars in half would be epic

      Android user detected.

    3. Re:An epic freakin butterfly?? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      This is Microsoft's version of epic...

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  50. Uh-huh. by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

    Yeah. This will fail as long as the postfix is always "...as long as it doesn't threaten Windows or Office, natch." They *had* something epic with the Courier...and they killed it. I don't see this state of affairs changing anytime soon.

    1. Re:Uh-huh. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Excellent comment! I never seem to have any Mod Points lying around when I need them. It looked to me like Courier was the device Microsoft could have used to turn around Apple's dominance of the market.

      What a pity they sucked out!

      --
      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  51. deja vu by mm4 · · Score: 1

    Epic. Shit. Sounds like Vista all over again.

    1. Re:deja vu by hlavac · · Score: 1

      They already did. It's called Windows 8! Lay back and watch the Embrace phase on the hacker culture. Extend, Exterminate to follow shortly :)

  52. Re:Linus did that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The primary purpose of this is to generate patentable ideas. Provided the patents were only issued for truly novel inventions this would be a good thing and something to applaud. Unfortunately for every truly novel patent, there seem to be thousands of "one click" type shit. Sadly, based on MS' recent history, these patents will not be used to generate innovative products but to harass their competitors into the license agreement morass. yay.

  53. DeeDeeDee filter editor! by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    Because in this instance, it is not about being prude or politically correct. It is because as other people have pointed out, it's more "hip and "kickin" to use a curseword and censor it, particularly masking it with fake "L33T" characters.

    If anybody involved in writing the article or submitting it to slashdot actually cared about "keeping those evil, satanic cursewords from the eyes of the children" they would have simply written it to not include them in the first place.

    Also, retarded lameness filter is retarded. Here's sme more random crap to make this post go through...

    1. Re:DeeDeeDee filter editor! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Also, retarded lameness filter is retarded. Here's sme more random crap to make this post go through...

      I wish I had mod points, I had the same damned problem trying to explain that $#!+ was actually the word "shit". Took me 15 minutes to figure out that the subject was what was being lamely filtered.

      HEY EDITORS: When I quote the fucking headline and the lame-ass filter is encountered, what does that say about your lame-ass headline?

      That "lameness filter" is just fucking lame. PLEASE get rid of it, OK? Or at least go by your own rules in the topic headline!

  54. Re:Shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's censored so the Christian folks don't get offended.

    Not a troll statement, it's the truth. Let's simply admit it and get it out in the open. Then move on.

  55. don't forget the most important part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that we can then patent and harass our competitor's with.

  56. I'm always about doing "EPIC $heet"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the latest/greatest "example thereof" I released to the general public:

    For those of you that run Microsoft Windows 32 or 64 bit? An automated hosts file creation & mgt. program:

    ---

    APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit:

    Screenshot -> http://start64.com/images/win64/security/apk-hosts-file-engine-1.png

    Download Site #1 -> http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74

    or

    Download Site #2 -> http://securemecca.com/public/APKHostsFileInstaller/2012_06_01/APKHostsFileEngineInstaller32_64bit.exe.zip

    (You simply extract its sfx installer file, then run the installer, from inside ANY folder you like - extracting the executables + datafiles to any folder you wish (usually one you create for it, doesn't matter where, but you MUST run it as administrator (simple & the "read me" tab shows how easy THAT is to do)), & lastly run either the 32-bit OR 64-bit version!

    ---

    What's it do for you?

    It's a custom hosts file mgt. program that does the following for end users (Calling it "APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++") after it obtains custom hosts file data from 12 of the reputable & reliable sources listed below:

    ---

    1.) Offers massively noticeable increased speed for websurfing via blocking adbanners

    2.) Offers increased speed for users fav. sites by hardcoding them into the hosts file for faster IP address-to-host/domain name resolutions (which sites RARELY change their hosting providers, e.g.-> of 250 I do, only 6 have changed since 2006 - & when sites do because they found a less costly hosting provider? Then, they either email notify members, put up warnings on their pages, & do IP warnings & redirectors onto the former IP address range to protect vs. the unscrupulous criminal bidding on that range to buy it to steal from users of say, online banking or shopping sites).

    3.) Better "Layered-Security"/"Defense-In-Depth" via blocking host-domain based attacks by KNOWN bad sites-servers that are known to do so (which IS, by far, the majority of what's used by both users (hence the existence of the faulty but for most part working DNS system), AND even by malware makers (since host-domain names are recyclable by they, & the RBN (Russian Business Network & others)) were doing it like mad with "less than scrupulous", or uncaring, hosting providers)

    4.) Better 'anonymity' to an extent vs. DNS request logs (not vs. DPI ("deep packet inspection"))

    5.) The ability to circumvent unjust DNSBL (DNS Block Lists) if unjust or inconveniences a user.

    6.) Protection vs. online trackers

    7.) Better security vs. the DNS system being "dns poisoned/redirected" (a known problem for recursive DNS servers via port 51/53 misdirection)

    8.) Write protecting the hosts file every 1/2 second (supplementing UAC) - even if/when you move it from the default location via this registry entry (which if done, can function ALMOST like *NIX shadow passwords because of this program):

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters

    And changing the "DataBasePath" parameter there (I do this moving it to a faster media, a "true SSD" using DDR-2 RAM, in the 4gb Gigabyte IRAM I have).

    9.) Automatic downloading & Alphabetic sorting of hosts files' records entries (for easier end user mgt. manually) from 15 reliable sources (of 17 I actually use).

    10.) Manual editing of all files used (hosts to import list, hosts itself in its def

    1. Re:I'm always about doing "EPIC $heet"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BWAHAHAHAH!

      Can't fool me, the REAL apk warned me about you, ya low-down impostor!

  57. The Ribbon by Tweezak · · Score: 1

    I guess the Office2007 ribbon is a great example of epic shit from Microsoft. Sounds like there's more to come.

    1. Re:The Ribbon by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      The only problem with Ribbon was that they didn't go far enough. Tabbed toolbars is cute and all, but tabbed work-spaces would have been better.

      Ie, if each tab changed not just the available tools, but changes the entire way the whole document is displayed and worked on. A "Design" tab should use visual metaphors for the structure of the document. A "Write" tab would focus on... well, getting out of the way. While a "File" tab should pull back to the meta level of the document as an object.

      The problem wasn't that they changed the UI, it was that they changed things without adding any new functionality for the user.

      --
      Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
  58. Everyone was doing epic [stuff] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until they started getting arrested for copyright infringement. Eat [stuff], Sir.

  59. 71077345 and 07734 was a giggle ...in 1974 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea why there is (or was) a fascination for leetspeak. When my dad brought home our family's first pocket calculator in 1974 we entered numbers to make words when viewed upside down. Shell Oil and Hello were about it. This amounted to two minutes of novelty value looking at the little red LED display.
    Now get off my lawn!

    1. Re:71077345 and 07734 was a giggle ...in 1974 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5318008

  60. Re: bad words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of semi-automated online venues have filters that force out the real spellings of the bad words, either like the dashes, or maybe even denying the post in the first place.

    It's tragic that so few such filters replace the word with an acceptable synonyms -- because "buttbuttinate" is just too funny.

  61. Isn't it a little bit too late ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft used to be a swell company

    I know, because I spent sometime there

    And then the suits took over, and a lot of us left

    Isn't it a little bit too late?
     

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  62. MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft always has and does SUCK. Because they are perpetually & selfishly concerned WRT money.

  63. s--t by guttentag · · Score: 3, Funny

    s--t opens up all kinds of possible clues as to what they're really doing in there (courtesy of the RegEx Dictionary):

    "Do Epic Salt" could be religious in nature, if only they had the light to go with it.
    "Do Epic Scat" could be, well, crappy.
    "Do Epic Scot" could be a hint that Sean Connery will play Ballmer in an upcoming movie about Steve Jobs
    "Do Epic Seat" could be a hint that they're working on a special chair to offset the major pain in the ass NotMetro is expected to be
    "Do Epic Sect" could be a skunkworks project to recruit fanboys
    "Do Epic Shat" could be a retrospective on the history of Windows... uh, narrated by William Shatner
    "Do Epic Skit" could be a code for the rehearsal to train people to look excited at their store openings, and hide the fact that hired DJs are using iTunes
    "Do Epic Slit" could be... nahhh...
    "Do Epic Slut" or "Do Epic Smut" could be an indication that MSFT wants to enter the lucrative smut scene and cut off Heffner's air supply
    "Do Epic Snot" or "Do Epic Spit" No. Just no.

    Personally, I think what they're really saying is they plan to "do shit" to the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

  64. The word is shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The word is shit. If you find it acceptable to use any synonyms of a word, then all synonyms are equal. It is completely childish to apply some arbitrary morality scale for words that mean the same thing. Shit == poop == crap == feces. If that wasn't bad enough, there are fucktards that use deformed obscenities. You know like 'frak' and 'mothertrucker'. Grow the fuck up. You end up looking like an asshole, because we all know what you meant, but you were too much of a pussy to use proper language. We're still not there, yet. The lowest of the fucking low, are the ones that use punctuation in place of letters, when, again, we all know what you are saying. It doesn't get you off the hook for swearing or make it more polite. It makes you look like a big fucking cunt.

  65. You have got to be s***ting me by dgharmon · · Score: 1
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    AccountKiller
  66. Re:"make mobile payments with just their bodies" . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right how fucking creative is that?? For real, it's hooking up biometrics to a payment backend probably whatever
    Microsoft has. Even if it's paying someone by fondling their tits over a micro-ampere current it's not creative,
    IBM already did that to exchange business cards. Maybe not the tit fondling part but the next best thing with a
    handshake.

    Who with a great idea in their head is dumb enough to use that Microsoft "do shit" "garage" in the first place?
    If I have a great idea the last thing I would do is share it with my employer. If it's truly that great the way to go
    would be to implement a prototype and find capital. startup a startup and then if Microsoft is interested let them
    buy it for lots of $$$. Otherwise all you get is a pat on the head and a certificate to hang in your cubicle, maybe
    even a $5000-$10000 reward but certainly not what you could be having.

    Nothing worthwhile what we would want will ever come out of Microsoft nor Apple because they're not there to give us
    what we want but what we are supposed to get. Right now the plan is to take general purpose computing out
    of our hands (secure boot), exert total control over what we can do and keep us under total surveillance by
    giving us shitty tablets that keep the data in the cloud aka "Windows Live" or "iCloud" from apple.
    Fuck that.

  67. Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Are they providing the burritos?
    2. How big are the septic lines?

  68. Re:Will M$'$ next product be a by rhook · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's policy to never imply ownership in the event of a dildo.

  69. Did slashdot take it in the ass for the borg logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care - Government & Stealth Malware

    In Response To Slashdot Article: Former Pentagon Analyst: China Has Backdoors To 80% of Telecoms 87

    How many rootkits does the US[2] use officially or unofficially?

    How much of the free but proprietary software in the US spies on you?

    Which software would that be?

    Visit any of the top freeware sites in the US, count the number of thousands or millions of downloads of free but proprietary software, much of it works, again on a proprietary Operating System, with files stored or in transit.

    How many free but proprietary programs have you downloaded and scanned entire hard drives, flash drives, and other media? Do you realize you are giving these types of proprietary programs complete access to all of your computer's files on the basis of faith alone?

    If you are an atheist, the comparison is that you believe in code you cannot see to detect and contain malware on the basis of faith! So you do believe in something invisible to you, don't you?

    I'm now going to touch on a subject most anti-malware, commercial or free, developers will DELETE on most of their forums or mailing lists:

    APT malware infecting and remaining in BIOS, on PCI and AGP devices, in firmware, your router (many routers are forced to place backdoors in their firmware for their government) your NIC, and many other devices.

    Where are the commercial or free anti-malware organizations and individual's products which hash and compare in the cloud and scan for malware for these vectors? If you post on mailing lists or forums of most anti-malware organizations about this threat, one of the following actions will apply: your post will be deleted and/or moved to a hard to find or 'deleted/junk posts' forum section, someone or a team of individuals will mock you in various forms 'tin foil hat', 'conspiracy nut', and my favorite, 'where is the proof of these infections?' One only needs to search Google for these threats and they will open your malware world view to a much larger arena of malware on devices not scanned/supported by the scanners from these freeware sites. This point assumed you're using the proprietary Microsoft Windows OS. Now, let's move on to Linux.

    The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux. None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either! Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular websites and the dark/deep web.

    Compromised defenders of Linux will look down their nose at you (unless they are into reverse engineering malware/bad binaries, Google for this and Linux and begin a valuable education!) and respond with a similar tone, if they don't call you a noob or point to verifying/downloading packages in a signed repo/original/secure source or checking hashes, they will jump to conspiracy type labels, ignore you, lock and/or shuffle the thread, or otherwise lead you astray from learning how to examine bad binaries. The world of Linux is funny in this way, and I've been a part of it for many years. The majority of Linux users, like the Windows users, will go out of their way to lead you and say anything other than pointing you to information readily available on detailed binary file analysis.

    Don't let them get you down, the information is plenty and out there, some from some well known publishers of Linux/Unix books. Search, learn, and share the information on detecting and picking through bad binaries. But this still will not touch the void of the APT malware described above which will survive any wipe of r/w media. I'm convinced, on both *nix and Windows, these pieces of APT malware

  70. Pathetic attempt at reverse psychology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want people to stop making it so obvious that Windows is an insecure, buggy POS OS, so that they can continue to pump out version after version of their flagshit OS (Windows) so that they can sell some copies of Windows 8, touting it as better than 7 even though they will never make a secure operating system because they know the version of Windows that they sell that actually works, out of the box, isn't an annoying pain in the ass to use, configure or maintain, and is actually secure from being broken into by hackers with almost a trivial level of ease, WILL BE THEIR LAST.

    M$ has made its fortunes off forcing things down people's throats, and has no impetus to stop now. They are too large a company to be supported by the small number of new purchases of Windows that would be made if people didn't keep getting forced to buy the same thing over and over again.

    If the DOJ had really wanted to unfuck what Microsoft FUCKED UP, back in the day, they would have required them to continue to support and upgrade (FOR FREE!!!) the software of anyone who could show he purchased a legitimate copy of Windows as long as they kept making Windows, and instituted mandatory price controls to keep them from charging 10,000 dollars a copy. I'd have laughed my ass off, watching Microsoft shrivel up and die like it should have. Of course, in the "Stalin versus Hitler, Who is history's biggest dickheaded asshole?"-esque "Which company, Microsoft or Apple is the most assholeish corporation?" contest, I've always thought that it was Microsoft, hands down. But Apple seems poised to take their crown as it becomes the more valuable company financially, and as Microsoft enjoys (well, actually it's me enjoying it, not them) a slow and inexorable slide into irrelevance, and ultimately bankruptcy. I will throw a fucking party that day...

    I wonder, as Microsoft files for bankruptcy in about 3 to 6 years, if they'll open source DOS and Windows, Office, etc., just to get back at those who defeated them the way Netscape did when Microsoft leveraged their hegemony in software to crush Netscape Navigator with Microsoft Internet Exploiter... once Microsoft is destroyed, they'll have no more reason to need to pretend (as they had for a while) that the continued existence of Apple proves they don't have a monopoly, and all the motivation in the world to see them torn down right along with them.

    1. Re:Pathetic attempt at reverse psychology. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Do you really think their problem with security is a lack of trying or even a lack of success? It's a big game of leapfrog. Computers now are expect to handle attacks that weren't even physically possible on the hardware of yesterday. It results in more bloat and slower operation. If you were able to design an OS from the ground up today, and assume that there would be no malicious users or malicious attacks, then you'd create a system that runs circles around Windows. We don't have a perfect world, and there must be compromises.

      We're talking about an OS that's now at a point of trying to cryptographically sign binaries all the way down to the bootloader. Is it really MS's fault that this level of ridiculousness is necessary?

      It's obvious I'm replying to a troll, but I haven't seen a blue screen that was caused by anything but failing hardware in almost a decade. Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X, have all been steadily improving. Some with more security-related bloat, and others with more eye candy. All continue to perform more poorly due to security-related bloat.

  71. Eh... forbidden words? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    What forbidden words? Freedom of speech? What is it with the USA that they actually tolerate this "forbidden words" thing?

    --
    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:Eh... forbidden words? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What forbidden words? Freedom of speech? What is it with the USA that they actually tolerate this "forbidden words" thing?

      Freedom of speech only applies to hate speech, fraud and libel.

    2. Re:Eh... forbidden words? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      Socially "forbidden" in terms of what's regarded as presentable, not legally forbidden.

  72. Epic S--T? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's this, hangman?

  73. volcano eruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Garage also puts on "science fairs," where Microsoft employees work on ideas that are completely unrelated to their day jobs and present them to a panel of judges, complete with tri-fold poster board. The winner's prize: They get to set off a volcano eruption

    ok, wtf?

  74. "do epic shit, in spite of management" by Pirulo · · Score: 1

    Seems like desperation asking the employees to fix the problems management can't.

  75. Quick we need to get the Runestone... by mrax · · Score: 1

    ... even M$ is using the curseword, the Dragon will be too powerful!

  76. Do Epic s%#t... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, epic bloat...

  77. Pff! Done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've had "do epic shit" scratched onto the door of the toilets in my office for months!

  78. So, what's the word? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Do epic scat!"
    "Do epic skit!"
    "Do epic sift!"
    "Do epic scot!"

    Come on, Scrabble-players. Help me out here.

  79. Re:Linus did that! by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Would you rather see Microsoft Songsmith on actual retail shelves, and being used to make actual towel advertisements?

  80. Epic shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes. Doing epic shit. Like the time I fought a Hydra while sitting on a toilet. That was truly an epic shit, my friends.

  81. Word for word quote is a submission? by doccus · · Score: 1

    Since nobody else has mentioned this, should /. submissions really be word for word quotes of an article by another writer? This one is...

  82. What * looks like by John+Bayko · · Score: 1

    My favourite is changing "ass" to "*ss". Exactly who thinks it's better to replace the letter "a" with a symbol that looks like an explicit, close-up view of the very anatomy you think is offensive? ( * )ss indeed.

  83. Stop Stack Ranking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? It won't have any effect in reviews or stack ranking. I'll just keep it to myself and use it as my escape plan.

  84. $H!T by Frazbin · · Score: 1

    As usual, MS is five years behind the curve-- 'epic' went out of style around 2007 (around here, anyhow). Rad idea, though!

  85. Re:Will M$'$ next product be a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about it- both "Micro" and "soft" are words that have never been associated with any successful line of Dildos.

  86. anyone, anytime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone, anytime who is employed by micro@#)!?

  87. Re: lameness filter encountered by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    *sigh* I've been trying to explain it for fifteen minutes, but slashdot's lame filter won't let me. The dollar sign is an s, the hash is an h, the exclamation mark is an i, the plus sign is a T.

    And I'm still getting the lameness filter, must be tha subject line. I wonder why I keep getting it, and how you managed to post?

  88. Where is the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been doing epic sh-t for years. Just look at Windows Vista or ADO.Net Entity Framework.

  89. I'm a MS hacker by elabs · · Score: 1

    I am a product of the Microsoft hacker culture. If it weren't for C# Express and all the free and open source tools and libraries provided by MS I probably wouldn't have done a fraction of what I've been able to.

  90. ITSATRAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do { epic(trap);}

  91. Superstitious? by BadPirate · · Score: 1

    Shit.

    Voldemort.

    Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse.

    It won't rain today.

    Fuck.

    I'll report tomorrow on whether or not I survive the day.

    --
    - Holy crap, I've got MOD points! Who thought that was a good idea.