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Report: 99 Percent of New Mobile Threats Target Android

MojoKid writes: "Google's open source Android platform has the distinction of being the most popular mobile operating system in the world. That's great in terms of dominating the market and reaping the rewards that come with it, but it's also for that very reason that Android finds itself the target of virtually every new mobile malware threat that emerges. According to data published in F-Secure's latest Mobile Threat Report (PDF), over 99 percent of the new mobile threats it discovered in the first quarter of 2014 targeted Android users. To be fair, we're not taking about hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands, or thousands of malware threats — F-Secure detected 277 new threat families, of which 275 honed in on Android."

269 comments

  1. secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fwiw, the NSA has owned all platforms, so it's not like iOS is invincible. For a long tim i've maintained that it's not correct to refer to things as "secure." more precisely, you have to specify secure from what? iOS may by secure from credit card hackers but insecure to government spy agencies. meanwhile, Android is as secure as an umbrella made of lace blocks the rain.

    1. Re:secure from what? by binarylarry · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure.

      Their marketshare has fallen so far it's not worth targeting them any more.

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    2. Re:secure from what? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      fwiw, the NSA has owned all platforms, so it's not like iOS is invincible.

      I strongly suspect that it has less to do with any flaws in either OS, than it does in the fact that iPhones get regular updates/patches/etc, whereas the vast majority of Android phones do not.

      This is the one thing that Apple really should get props for - they go out of their way to ensure that, within reason, older iPhones get patched/updated along with the newest ones. Meanwhile, all but a relatively tiny fraction of (global) Android users buy models where neither carrier or manufacturer really give a damn if the phones they sell ever see a patch. I mean, seriously - the cheap/low-end Android phones can still be found coming out brand new with 2.2/2.3 installed on the damned things.

      Until that paradigm changes, the massive majority of malware and hacks will target the obviously juicy (and mostly obsolete and/or unpatched) Android market.

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    3. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure.

      Their marketshare has fallen so far it's not worth targeting them any more.

      Speaking as an iOS user, I'm perfectly fine with you Android users getting all of the malware love. No really... you can keep all of it... I don't want any!

    4. Re:secure from what? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      A lot of the malware exists because people can sideload apps. I would rather continue being able to sideload apps that I developed myself rather than pay Apple for the privilege of running my own code on my own device.

    5. Re:secure from what? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      the cheap/low-end Android phones can still be found coming out brand new with 2.2/2.3 installed on the damned things

      BS

    6. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I would rather continue being able to sideload apps that I developed myself rather than pay Apple for the privilege of running my own code on my own device.

      Personally I'm not that fussed about it, I can either jailbreak my device or shell out $99 (which includes the ability to publish and share my software with others) if I really want to do that. Either way it's no big deal.

      Malware for Android is no different from malware for Windows or for OS X, the bulk of it is due to being able to run any code you want (where unless you wrote it you probably don't know what it does) and most people will just click through warnings about unsigned code, virtually none will ever vet any code ever. If you take the precautions to only run binaries from reputable sources or to compile from source yourself (nobody does that outside of a few geeks) from a reputable repo then you should be ok...but then again the heartbleed bug shows that isn't the case all the time either.

      The flip side of that is that on iOS you place all your trust in Apple to make sure that they vet code properly, by and large they do a pretty good job of that but that isn't to say they couldn't have a major slipup (in the style of goto-fail) in the future. With the freedom to run any code comes the responsibility to vet that code (whether that is the source - as in where it came from - of the binary or the sourcecode itself) and most users are not up to that challenge or just cannot be bothered and so malware persists.

    7. Re:secure from what? by sexconker · · Score: 2

      A lot of the malware exists because people can sideload apps. I would rather continue being able to pirate apps than pay for them.

      Fixed that for you, and the vast majority of Slashdotters.

    8. Re:secure from what? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Android devices do get regular updates direct from Google via Play, including security fixes. However, since Play is not available in some countries, notably China, those users are reliant on their provider (usually the mobile network operator).

      So your statement that the "vast majority" don't get updates is simply wrong, particularly for people in the west and Japan/Korea, but applicable to China. Even so most malware does not rely on security flaws, it simply entices the user to install it (trojan).

      As for iOS updates, while technically true that older devices like the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 get them a lot of people find that the loss of performance is crippling so choose not to upgrade. At work all company iPhone 4s are still on iOS 6 because of the poor performance of v7 and some compatibility issues (sorry I don't have details).

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    9. Re:secure from what? by dugancent · · Score: 1

      Android has just over 50% of the US marketshare, hardly "fallen so far".

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    10. Re:secure from what? by gnoshi · · Score: 2

      the cheap/low-end Android phones can still be found coming out brand new with 2.2/2.3 installed on the damned things

      BS

      I was surprised, but you're right: when I looked at the pre-paid devices offered by several mobile providers, I didn't find any that were being sold with a pre-4.x OS version. It is no doubt still possible to buy old Android phones with old Android versions, but even cheap devices by Huawei and ZTE are now coming out with Android 4.x

      Unfortunately, because manufacturers often provide very poor ongoing support for devices, a large number of devices already in the market will never be updated. In that way, I agree with the parent's parent: Apple can get props (relative to many Android device manufacturers) for providing relatively long term OS/security updates.

    11. Re:secure from what? by sootman · · Score: 1

      > This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure.
      > Their marketshare has fallen so far...

      Ha. Apple won't care until this graph takes a sharp downward turn. They could probably drop to 10% market share and still make the most money in the industry.

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    12. Re:secure from what? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Malware for Android is no different from malware for Windows or for OS X, the bulk of it is due to being able to run any code you want (where unless you wrote it you probably don't know what it does) and most people will just click through warnings about unsigned code, virtually none will ever vet any code ever.

      Absolutely 100% incorrect. I don't think you understand android that well. Android will refuse to run unsigned apps - they MUST have a signature, though there is no certificate authority they have to go through. But, apps with differing signatures can't interfere with one another. This means that malware app A can't steal or inject information into facebook app B. However facebook app C can manipulate facebook app B if that's what the publisher who holds the keys wants it to do. You are free to alter these rules on your own if you'd like, either through rooting or putting your own signature on both APKs. Neither involves a simple warning that you have to click through; it's a rather manual process. This results in Android being inherently very secure by design.

      The flip side of that is that on iOS you place all your trust in Apple to make sure that they vet code properly, by and large they do a pretty good job of that but that isn't to say they couldn't have a major slipup (in the style of goto-fail) in the future.

      Wrong again; Apple already has made a major slipup. In fact they've made a few of them, the most recent being this one:

      http://www.theguardian.com/tec...

      And of course, that is only what's known. Apple users assume that everything they do is 100% secure once vetted by Apple, but they couldn't be more wrong. iOS has a "city wall" but no guards to maintain order inside of the gates. Anybody with any security background will tell you why this is a horrible idea, as opposed to a layered security model, which is what Android sticks to.

      Generally if you live in a first world country, malware on Android isn't a problem in the slightest. Most first worlders don't sideload apps, except for pirates, power users, and developers. In third world countries, especially China, piracy is often the first choice for obtaining software rather than getting it through app stores. It's in these countries where the malware is common.

      US users who buy antivirus software for Android are flat out wasting their money. Malware found on the Play store is removed from your device by play services when it is identified; so just by that alone you already have all of the malware protection you need. The only people who really need that are the ones who pirate their apps (and you can pirate safely, but it's inherently less safe to do so because you can't validate the original publisher's signature) however chances are if you already pirate your apps, you probably aren't terribly interested in paying for an antivirus app to begin with.

      Nonetheless, what I said above won't stop companies like F-Secure from giving sensationalist figures like "99% of malware is aimed at android," because their product can't sell unless they're somehow able to scare their users into buying it. The same is true of ID theft services such as lifelock that don't actually do anything as well as ripoff home security services like ADT and Brinks.

    13. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Android devices do get regular updates direct from Google via Play, including security fixes.

      But are those updates limited to Google Play Services or can they patch kernel and driver vulnerabilities or say the bluetooth, input or usb packages for example?

    14. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so looking at T-mobile's prepaid devices, there's this:

      http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/Samsung-Gravity-Q-No-Credit-Check-Refurbished

      Of course, they don't list the OS version there, but samsung.com says:

      http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/smartphones/SGH-T589HARRWC

      "Faster and more powerful connections with Android 2.2"

      There are certainly still crappy phones being sold with old Android versions.

    15. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I'm not that fussed about it, I can either jailbreak my device or shell out $99 (which includes the ability to publish and share my software with others) if I really want to do that.

      Strictly speaking, you forgot that it's $99 per year, and you forgot the cost of the mac you need to build the app. You can build an android app on nearly any platform. The cost of the mac is trivial for a business wanting to write apps for profit, but it's an extra hurdle for someone just wanting to tinker. If all you want to do is tinker with android, the cost is zero - the one-time fee only applies when you want to publish the app.

    16. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Android will refuse to run unsigned apps - they MUST have a signature, though there is no certificate authority they have to go through.

      Right well "signed by anybody" isn't that much different from a code safety perspective than unsigned code, you still have to trust who it is signed by and while they might not be able to modify existing apps we can see that from the malware examples on Android (even though I don't believe that many are particularly widely circulated) that this doesn't make much of a difference in terms of their ability to be malicious.

      But, apps with differing signatures can't interfere with one another.

      The protections in modern Windows and OS X offer the same thing unless you start running things as administrator, and if you have root access on any system you get pretty much free reign to do whatever you want anyway.

      Wrong again; Apple already has made a major slipup.

      The one you refer to was a research project, it's hardly a "major slipup" (I'm sure platform fanboys would like it portrayed that way but I don't have a religious devotion to any technology platform), in fact it had exactly zero impact on anybody, period.

      And of course, that is only what's known. Apple users assume that everything they do is 100% secure once vetted by Apple, but they couldn't be more wrong.

      No i don't think that's true at all, I guess I'm an Apple user (amongst Windows, Android and Gentoo) and I pointed out that whilst they are very good they are not perfect, which is the same as Google with the Play Store.

      Generally if you live in a first world country, malware on Android isn't a problem in the slightest.

      Obviously if you restrict yourself to the Google Play store it is very much the same thing as using an iOS device which is restricted to the Apple App Store. But that negates the biggest advantage of Android.

      Neither is inherently more secure, it comes down to flexibility and if you provide the freedom to do whatever the user wants and they take it then - just like on desktop systems - the user needs to take on additional responsibility, which they usually aren't capable of or willing to do. You will only get more safety for the userbase if they take on that responsibility and act on it or you restrict them. The nice thing is we - as users - have the choice :)

    17. Re:secure from what? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Android has just over 50% of the US marketshare, hardly "fallen so far".

      I suppose that 60% counts as "just over 50%" if you hold your tongue right.

      href=http://www.androidauthority.com/android-up-8-us-market-374932/

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    18. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, you forgot that it's $99 per year

      Yes that's true.

      and you forgot the cost of the mac you need to build the app.

      I already had one.

      You can build an android app on nearly any platform.

      So of course you need to have a PC of some sort, if you want to run arbitrary code and you already have a PC but it isn't a Mac and you don't want to buy a Mac and don't know somebody that could build the binary for you on their Mac then obviously buy an Android device, the options are all there. I'm not advocating for one over the other but clearly if the cost is too much for you then by all means go for Android.

      If all you want to do is tinker with android, the cost is zero - the one-time fee only applies when you want to publish the app.

      This is all nice in theory but if it were actually a legitimate issue then I would think we should see a LOT of innovation on Android relative to iOS simply because of the supposed hurdles to develop for iOS. Assuming this cost is such a significant barrier to entry we should be seeing some negative effect, where is it?

      I often see this barrier to entry issue paraded as a disadvantage of iOS so it should be seen as an advantage to Android but are the benefits actually anything more than theoretical?

    19. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even so most malware does not rely on security flaws, it simply entices the user to install it (trojan).

      This is the key point in this discussion, as it reveals the FUD from TFA. Note that TFA says "99 Percent of New Mobile Threats Target Android", but does not disclose the number of devices infected.

      In practice, there's huge differences in estimates of infection rates. One anti-virus company claims more than 4 percent of Android devices are infected by malware, while a group of academic researchers from the US identified that less than 0.0009 per cent of the devices in the US were infected.

      Given recent efforts in Android and Play Store tro improve security, it's likely that rates will fall rather than increase, however anyone interested in real Android security intead of AV vendor FUD should read genuine security articles like this, and avoid the marketing fluff: http://www.esecurityplanet.com...

    20. Re:secure from what? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      > This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure.
      > Their marketshare has fallen so far...

      Ha. Apple won't care until this graph takes a sharp downward turn.

      The '12 drop looks pretty sharp to me, and flat since then.

      They could probably drop to 10% market share and still make the most money in the industry.

      How, by selling products for ten times the going price? Seems like a recipe for 0% market share to me.

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    21. Re:secure from what? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      > This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure. > Their marketshare has fallen so far...

      Ha. Apple won't care until this graph takes a sharp downward turn.

      The '12 drop looks pretty sharp to me, and flat since then.

      They could probably drop to 10% market share and still make the most money in the industry.

      How, by selling products for ten times the going price? Seems like a recipe for 0% market share to me.

      Nice theory - so why isn't their market share 0% yet? And frankly: making negative profit (as all Android makers but Samsung do) seems to be a much better recipe for 0% market share.

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    22. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      This is the key point in this discussion, as it reveals the FUD from TFA. Note that TFA says "99 Percent of New Mobile Threats Target Android", but does not disclose the number of devices infected.

      Right, I would be surprised if the percentage of Android devices infected is much different to the number of iOS devices infected, a little higher given the ability to install apps outside the official channel but probably not by much.

    23. Re:secure from what? by sootman · · Score: 1

      > The '12 drop looks pretty sharp to me, and flat since then.

      Tip: READ THE NUMBERS. That "drop" was from about 70% to about 62%. It's not like they went from 90 to 10. And as you said, it then leveled out. As in, did not continue to fall.

      >> They could probably drop to 10% market share
      >> and still make the most money in the industry.

      > How, by selling products for ten times the going price?

      No -- by letting everyone else win the race to the bottom. If you look into the data behind the graph, you'll see that the percentages of Samsung plus Apple total over 100% because other players in the industry are losing money. Apple won't sell products at a loss.

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    24. Re:secure from what? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Well I can share this with you: I look forward to the day that that Apple has 10% share and failing to match its competitors' prices is an efficient way to get there. I hope they keep it up.

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    25. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckwit.

    26. Re:secure from what? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      BS

      O RLY?

      LG Optimus Black
      ANDROID 2.3
      4" Touch Screen
      Virtual QWERTY Keyboard
      5 MP Camera /Video Recorder w/2MP Front-Facing Camera
      3G/Wi-Fi® Connectivity
      [...] "

      That took all of five seconds of looking, there's a lot more in there, and I didn't even touch Cricket, TracFone, Straight Talk, Virgin Prepaid, Boost...

      ...and notice that I went nowhere near alibaba.com, or otherwise left the US (as I was speaking globally in the first place).

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    27. Re:secure from what? by tepples · · Score: 1

      How presumptuous of you to assume that cheesybagel is not a hobbyist developer, even if "the vast majority of Slashdotters" are not.

    28. Re:secure from what? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously if you restrict yourself to the Google Play store it is very much the same thing as using an iOS device which is restricted to the Apple App Store. But that negates the biggest advantage of Android.

      Say you restrict yourself to Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, Humble Bundle, F-Droid, and applications you compiled yourself. Is the advantage still negated? In my opinion, the advantage of Android's "Unknown sources" and "adb install" model is 1. compiling apps yourself without having to replace your desktop computer and pay a recurrring fee, and 2. ability of third-party app stores to build a reputation for quality control.

    29. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Say you restrict yourself to Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, Humble Bundle, F-Droid, and applications you compiled yourself. Is the advantage still negated?

      I question the value of that advantage, are many people really doing that or is it a select few geeks? Humble Bundle is available on Google Play, F-Droid is explicitly FOSS (and the source inspection process doesn't seem particularly rigorous, more like a verify yourself type approach, so a very small niche) and obviously applications you compiled yourself is a very small niche.

      1. compiling apps yourself without having to replace your desktop computer and pay a recurrring fee

      Again, you bring cost into it. If cost truly were legitimate barrier to entry then I would suspect would be seeing significantly more, innovative and higher quality applications on Android than other more restrictive platforms but that doesn't seem to be the case.

      2. ability of third-party app stores to build a reputation for quality control.

      Again, nice in theory but not converted to a widely-used advantage in practice.

      If these elements are indeed significantly advantageous we should see innovation in application development on Android far surpassing that of iOS but that doesn't appear to be the case. There's nothing particularly ground-breaking separating them.

    30. Re:secure from what? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Right well "signed by anybody" isn't that much different from a code safety perspective than unsigned code, you still have to trust who it is signed by and while they might not be able to modify existing apps we can see that from the malware examples on Android (even though I don't believe that many are particularly widely circulated) that this doesn't make much of a difference in terms of their ability to be malicious.

      It very much does, actually. Your phone stores a keyring of known publishers for your apps. If you try to patch an app that has a different certificate, you'll be made well aware that something is off.

      The one you refer to was a research project, it's hardly a "major slipup" (I'm sure platform fanboys would like it portrayed that way but I don't have a religious devotion to any technology platform), in fact it had exactly zero impact on anybody, period.

      How about this one then:

      http://www.wired.com/2012/07/f...

      Of course, the iOS one was found only after the Android app of the same name was discovered. Nobody would have checked otherwise and it would have still been in the wild by now. And that wasn't the first either:

      http://nakedsecurity.sophos.co...

      In fact in all three of these incidents, Apple never discovered any of them. If there is any other real malware in the wild, the authors aren't going to tell Apple about it first of all, and second of all, no independent security researchers outside of Apple are allowed to vet them (except for jailbroken users.) Unless the malware author makes a major screwup like creating an Android malware app of the same name, (or making it blatantly obvious to the end user) it'll never be found.

      No i don't think that's true at all, I guess I'm an Apple user (amongst Windows, Android and Gentoo) and I pointed out that whilst they are very good they are not perfect, which is the same as Google with the Play Store.

      If you don't think apple users commonly go around spouting that "Macs don't get viruses," then I've got a bridge to sell you. Fuck, Apple even had a commercial effectively making a similar claim.

      Obviously if you restrict yourself to the Google Play store it is very much the same thing as using an iOS device which is restricted to the Apple App Store. But that negates the biggest advantage of Android.

      That's just the thing: You don't HAVE to do so. For most users, it's a pretty good idea, and they do exactly that. However for people like me, I'll get apps such as adfree, or like how I patched the Kindle app myself to show ebook PIDs so I could dedrm my own kindle ebooks. Try that on an ipad. In fact I'll answer for you because I already own one: It can't be done.

      Neither is inherently more secure, it comes down to flexibility and if you provide the freedom to do whatever the user wants and they take it then - just like on desktop systems - the user needs to take on additional responsibility, which they usually aren't capable of or willing to do.

      Other than sticking to the play store, right? On the contrary, there really is no good standard app source on Windows or OSX unless you want a good selection of mostly crappy ones.

    31. Re:secure from what? by tepples · · Score: 1

      F-Droid is explicitly FOSS (and the source inspection process doesn't seem particularly rigorous, more like a verify yourself type approach, so a very small niche)

      I must not be understanding something. How are apps under a free software license necessarily "a very small niche"?

      Humble Bundle is available on Google Play

      I don't see how they get away with that given the non-compete (section 4.5) but whatever.

      If cost truly were legitimate barrier to entry

      Cost isn't much of a barrier to entry to established firms in the most developed countries because the tools and license for one year cost less than a week's salary for a programmer in a developed country. But it is a barrier for students, part-time developers, and developers in less developed countries that have a lower overall wage level. It causes there to be a smaller proportion of $0 apps on iOS because developers feel they have to recover the cost of entry. (That and Google's early failure to deploy Wallet quickly enough.)

    32. Re:secure from what? by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Shelling out another $100 just to be able to install apps without going though the app store is one of the most fucked up things ever. You realize you don't really own any iDevice right? Why should I pay a few hundred bucks for a phone then need to get daddy Jobs OK to install something on it?

      Me: It's mine, I bought it now let me put anything I want on it. I don't care if you throw a few warnings in my face before install just let me do what I want with it.
      Apple: Sorry, we can't let you.

    33. Re:secure from what? by Krojack · · Score: 1

      And isn't the 1 time fee to Google like $25?

    34. Re:secure from what? by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      Info from GSMArena -

      LG Optimus Black P970
      Announced 2011, January
      Status Available. Released 2011, May

      You're talking about a 3 year old phone that retailers are still trying to clear old stock of.

    35. Re:secure from what? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Android is as secure as an umbrella made of lace blocks the rain.

      This is my umbrella you insensitive clod

    36. Re:secure from what? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They can patch drivers and services, or mitigate the problems.

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    37. Re:secure from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can still be found coming out brand new

      http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/Samsung-Gravity-Q-No-Credit-Check-Refurbished

      Fail.

    38. Re:secure from what? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Probably more to do with how they define malware.

      Really has there been any actual malware on either platform which actually exploits some security flaw? I mean we know there are the occasional security flaws, but has any malware actually targeted the flaw?

      So far all the "malware" I've seen has identified itself, typically by installing some dodgy copy of some software from a 3rd party store, or sideloading a dodgy copy, and then blindly clicking accept instead of wondering why your copy of Angry Birds requests access to send SMSes.

    39. Re:secure from what? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      And its one of the only attack vectors because you turn off a significant portion of security in order to side load.

      Side load, and re-enable your app loading security back to play store only to significantly improve security on your device.

      The other way is to root it and install a adblocking hosts file. a LOT of the crap is coming as ad payloads.

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    40. Re:secure from what? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Please tell me what apps you sideload that are must haves that you cant get on the play store. because everyone I know that is huge fans of side-loading are simply pirates that are too cheap to actually pay for their software. I would love to find this source of apps that are must have but not available on the play store.

      I have yet to find a software repository of legitimate and great apps for side loading. the only time I use it is for my own junk I compile for dinking around with arduinos.

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    41. Re:secure from what? by amn108 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the fact that "all but tiny fraction of Android users buy models where neither carrier or manufacturer really GIVE A DAMN..."

      I have an older Huawei Android model I bud borrowed to me indefinitely, and that thing, apart from running 2.x, never gets the important updates because neither Huawei nor Google care. There is no way for me to patch anything on this brick unless sanctioned by either Google or Huawei, or unless I get my hands dirty, which I don't have time for in this case.

      This is Windows era all over again. Apple does it right, it's not perfect, but its a solution.

      Take into account all the multitude of customization pretty much every phone vendor does with Android, and you can be sure there are exploits targetting it. It's a rats nest of open holes. But, that's what you get for slapping together an "open" platform BEHIND a closed platform. I mean, does any of you have the might to actually patch the source code for your phone AND upload it to your phone to take effect? The cake is a lie.

      Shiny new Android 4.x on brand new fancy models from top of the line manufacturers like Samsung are being waved in front of you with all their gimmicks and toy features and you all but forget the apparently important things immediately, while 99% of Android users run software no professional in the right mind would consider remotely secure. Or you just don't care, which makes the point moot, IMHO.

    42. Re:secure from what? by gauauu · · Score: 1

      Please tell me what apps you sideload that are must haves that you cant get on the play store. because everyone I know that is huge fans of side-loading are simply pirates that are too cheap to actually pay for their software. I would love to find this source of apps that are must have but not available on the play store.

      I have yet to find a software repository of legitimate and great apps for side loading. the only time I use it is for my own junk I compile for dinking around with arduinos.

      Well, first, as you answered yourself, "my own junk I compile" is enough for me, and the reason I switched from iOS to Android. Beyond that, in my limited experience, there's an excellent SNES emulator (Snes9x EX+) which, when I first got it, was available directly from the developer but not on the Play Store. (He's since been able to get it into the play store, so that is not longer a great example. Other than the fact that iOS won't allow you to use emulators at all). Those may be minor examples, but they're just the ones I could think of based on my own anecdotal use.

    43. Re:secure from what? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Nope, not it at all. Also misleading title really.

      iPhone has a walled garden. Unless you jail break you *cannot* install anything from outside of that.
      Android is not. If you only install from "accepted" sources such as say "Google Play" or "Samsung" for example, you are no more exposed than the iPhone.

      *However: Android does allow the user the flexibility to install from other (see any) sources as they see fit. In order to do so, they have to disable a default feature that prevents them from doings so, which then displays a warning message that basically says "we advise strongly against this, and you do so at your own risk, do you really want to do this?".

      So anyone that gets owned by a virus in this manner has no one to blame but themselves. So it may be factually correct that 99% of viruses are made for the Android OS, it is likely they are only banking on the stupidity of users to actively enable themselves to become infected. Apple just assumes all their users are stupid (probably for good reason) and just doesn't allow for any of that. Personally I like having the flexibility. I have only done it once, it then only from a reputable company (Adobe) to try an old version of Flash that was no longer officially supported. I am comfortable assessing and assuming risk. If you are not, then simply do not do it... or by an iPhone.

    44. Re:secure from what? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      So in other words, you can still get brand new Android phones with 2.3. Meanwhile, you can't get a new iPhone with anything but iOS 7.

    45. Re:secure from what? by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      the cheap/low-end Android phones can still be found coming out brand new with 2.2/2.3 installed on the damned things

      That phone was not "found coming out brand-new with 2.2/2.3 installed" still. It came out in 2011. You may be able to buy it from a retailer new, but they are just selling old stock. EOD. Stop twisting GP's words.

    46. Re:secure from what? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      The "can still be found" part should tell you that is talking about phones still being sold, not being launched. You are the one twisting words there.

    47. Re:secure from what? by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      "... can still be found coming out ..."

      Common, you're grasping at straws here. Clearly this phrase was meant to state the phone released, not phone available for sale.

      BTW, you can still find places that sell the 3GS brand-new-in-box, so no, you can also buy new iOS devices that doesn't support the latest iOS version.

    48. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I must not be understanding something. How are apps under a free software license necessarily "a very small niche"?

      I don't know *why* they are, but in general they are. Developer tools under free software licenses are usually highly popular, consumer applications not so much.

      Cost isn't much of a barrier to entry to established firms in the most developed countries because the tools and license for one year cost less than a week's salary for a programmer in a developed country. But it is a barrier for students, part-time developers, and developers in less developed countries that have a lower overall wage level. It causes there to be a smaller proportion of $0 apps on iOS because developers feel they have to recover the cost of entry. (That and Google's early failure to deploy Wallet quickly enough.)

      Again, based on the available app catalogs it doesn't appear to be a barrier to entry. Devs who genuinely have a good idea evidently invest in Apple's platform (to the extent of developer tools) just as they do Android, and the great thing is if you have a Mac you can develop for both.

    49. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Shelling out another $100 just to be able to install apps without going though the app store is one of the most fucked up things ever. You realize you don't really own any iDevice right? Why should I pay a few hundred bucks for a phone then need to get daddy Jobs OK to install something on it?

      So don't then. Nobody is forcing you to, if you don't want to pay that then get Android instead.

    50. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yeah after I thought about it remembered it runs as a privileged process so it should be able to patch just about anything, although given Android is open and various OEMs provide drivers and make modifications to Android I would say trying to update anything outside of Google Play that is subject to manufacturer or user modification is probably not very wise.

    51. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      In fact in all three of these incidents, Apple never discovered any of them.

      Right but developers found vulnerabilities in the OS and they were fixed, I didn't say or imply that anything is totally secure or that the Apple App Store is any more secure than Google Play but given the incredibly low amount of malware found in either store (real-world examples are in the single digit figures) they are about as secure as you could expect them to be.

      If you don't think apple users commonly go around spouting that "Macs don't get viruses," then I've got a bridge to sell you. Fuck, Apple even had a commercial effectively making a similar claim.

      Well the fact is I'm an apple user (or are you counting them as users that use nothing but apple?) and I have never said anything of the sort, I know quite a lot of people with MacBooks and iMacs that are well aware of the fact that OS X is simply a smaller target and even in that case there still has been malware in the wild for them. Apple's commercial didn't say that at all, it may have been a little disingenuous in its claim given that Macs are not PCs (in the context in which they were discussing them, which is that they are Windows systems) so obviously they cannot run Windows PC software - including malware - natively.

      That's just the thing: You don't HAVE to do so. For most users, it's a pretty good idea, and they do exactly that. However for people like me, I'll get apps such as adfree, or like how I patched the Kindle app myself to show ebook PIDs so I could dedrm my own kindle ebooks.

      Great, good for you. But obviously the ability to cut off developers' revenue streams with adblockers is going to have a negative effect in the long run.

    52. Re:secure from what? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Right but developers found vulnerabilities in the OS and they were fixed, I didn't say or imply that anything is totally secure or that the Apple App Store is any more secure than Google Play but given the incredibly low amount of malware found in either store (real-world examples are in the single digit figures) they are about as secure as you could expect them to be.

      No, actually in two of those cases there was no vulnerability to be fixed. The problem was that apple allowed apps through that did things the end user probably wouldn't want them to do. In one case, it read from your contact list and sent SMS messages to premium services. Both of those operations are permitted, and in fact there are API functions that even help you do them.

      Well the fact is I'm an apple user (or are you counting them as users that use nothing but apple?) and I have never said anything of the sort,

      I don't recall saying 100% of apple users. But it doesn't matter, when apple themselves make claims to that effect, then you can count on a lot of their customers repeating those claims.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Sure, your average techie can read between the lines, but you're average joe or hipster cannot. The implication apple makes in that commercial is a very strong one.

      Great, good for you. But obviously the ability to cut off developers' revenue streams with adblockers is going to have a negative effect in the long run.

      Actually most of the apps I have don't show ads to begin with. The main reason I install adfree is also for the web browser; it does a hosts file based block list, which I think is very effective. I don't mind ads, I just hate the really flashy big ads. DNS based blocking mainly hits those and rarely ever the text based ads. Not only that but it reduces bandwidth consumption by a fair amount.

    53. Re:secure from what? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Clearly this phrase was meant to state the phone released

      The fact that it's immediately obvious that that would not be true should be a hint that that was not what was meant.

    54. Re:secure from what? by iserlohn · · Score: 1

      Like how it was immediately obvious to you that one couldn't get a brand-new iphone with anything other than iOS 7? And that turned out not to be true as I pointed out there are still places selling the 3GS?

    55. Re:secure from what? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      No, actually in two of those cases there was no vulnerability to be fixed.

      And in the other one the vulnerability was fixed, like I said you rely on the app store vetting those applications before they are allowed on the store and neither Apple's nor Google's are any more secure than eachother and unless you want to do it yourself for every application and you actually think you have the ability and time to fully understand every application and every line of code in them then you are going to have to trust somebody and for the most part Apple and Google do a good job.

      I don't recall saying 100% of apple users.

      Well you said 'apple users' so who are you referring to?

      But it doesn't matter, when apple themselves make claims to that effect, then you can count on a lot of their customers repeating those claims.

      They didn't make that claim.

      Sure, your average techie can read between the lines, but you're average joe or hipster cannot. The implication apple makes in that commercial is a very strong one.

      Like I said, it seems somewhat disingenuous but it is certainly valid that they do not get PC viruses and given the amount of malware out there targeted at Windows I can certainly see why they would want to point out that their platform isn't susceptible to those.

  2. Not really news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malware writers always target the "Big Dog" for market dominance. 10 years ago, 99% was written for Windows for the same reason.

  3. Market Share by presspass · · Score: 5, Funny

    When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.

    1. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global market share on all platform types (smartphone and tablet) puts Android just above the 50% marker, and iOS just under the 50% marker. In what world does your perspective make any sense?

    2. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course Apple used to be the market share leader. But Android also had most malware back then too.

      It has nothing to do with market share. It's about security. The difference is a single curated market for Apple, vs multiple markets and no curation for Android.

    3. Re:Market Share by MatthiasF · · Score: 1, Funny

      The United States is only 4% of the world's population. Look at global statistics, instead of cherry picking your favorite nation.

    4. Re:Market Share by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      If you look at market share for phones only, you get one thing, if you include tablets and other devices, lots more android.....

    5. Re:Market Share by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      I keep seeing this line trotted out, but it only serves to distract from the real issue.

      What I've seen time and again from these reports over the last year is that it isn't about Android vs. iOS: it's about app stores. The Google Play store, for instance, has been the source of very few malware incidents (i.e. something like 2-3% of the total). Most of the malware hitting Android is coming from third-party stores that are of questionable trustworthiness. As always, users should be advised to only install software from sources they trust. If iOS allowed users to install from third-party stores without jailbreaking, we'd be seeing the same problems on iOS, regardless of their current marketshare or lack thereof (besides which, marketshare is a measure that shouldn't be used in isolation when assessing the worth of a platform's users to developers, including malware developers).

      So, please, stop painting this as an iOS vs. Android thing. Regardless of platform, the users being affected by this stuff, in general, are those grabbing apps from untrustworthy sources. Focus your attention there.

    6. Re:Market Share by Anubis+IV · · Score: 0

      I don't see how your statistic is relevant in the least, given that the entire world is not in the market for smartphones. In the smartphone market, the US still comprises a decently large slice of the pie, particularly at the high end of the market where the more valuable users tend to reside.

    7. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      [Citation needed]

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    8. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.

      How come you lot will ignore the same argument between Windows and Linux
      The hypocrisy you lot display sometimes just galls me

    9. Re:Market Share by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Indeed, putting all problems into the "malware" category just confuses the issues.

      Viruses are the real problem, because even the most secure OS in the world cannot protect its users against trojans. "Enter my password to see the dancing kitty? Of course I will!"

    10. Re:Market Share by ashpool7 · · Score: 0

      So, the iOS solution is to not _let_ users install apps from untrustworthy sources.

      Android doesn't have a solution... so... there's that.

      How is that not an iOS vs Android issue?

    11. Re:Market Share by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 1

      So, please, stop painting this as an iOS vs. Android thing

      But then what fun would there be to have?

    12. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which begs the question, shouldn't there be an easy way to prevent Android users from downloading apps from questionable stores? Shouldn't this be the default and the owner would need to explicitly go in and enable access to those questionable stores?

      The users are to blame, certainly, but by not forcing users into a safe sandbox to live in, that they have to explicitly turn off to access questionable material, means the design itself is to blame as well.

      Still the fact that you can go out now and buy a brand new phone, not old stock, with an outdated OS that will never be updated to the current OS by the manufacturer/vendor/carrier yields a certain ridiculousness to anyone making a statement that Android is inherently secure and it's all the user's fault. I can run a Windows 98 system and it'll be perfectly secure in standalone (never connect removable media, network, etc. to it) form, but how long will it stay secure after its connected to the internet?

    13. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Feel free to provide those. But since it's roughly 50/50 in the USA why aren't the attacks in the USA also not 50/50? Or is the USA of no interest at all to malware writers? (I would say the opposite).

    14. Re:Market Share by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I've seen time and again from these reports over the last year is that it isn't about Android vs. iOS: it's about app stores. The Google Play store, for instance, has been the source of very few malware incidents (i.e. something like 2-3% of the total). Most of the malware hitting Android is coming from third-party stores that are of questionable trustworthiness. As always, users should be advised to only install software from sources they trust. If iOS allowed users to install from third-party stores without jailbreaking, we'd be seeing the same problems on iOS, regardless of their current marketshare or lack thereof (besides which, marketshare is a measure that shouldn't be used in isolation when assessing the worth of a platform's users to developers, including malware developers).

      So, please, stop painting this as an iOS vs. Android thing. Regardless of platform, the users being affected by this stuff, in general, are those grabbing apps from untrustworthy sources. Focus your attention there.

      The problem is, Google Play isn't available in a lot of places where Android is. Say China, for example.

      China's especially touching because the Chinese app stores are complete rubbish - full of pirated apps and Trojans and other crap.

      But even in North America or Europe, sticking with Google Play is limiting, because there are tons of legit app stores as well. Say, Humble Bundle or Amazon. But the problem is the checkbox is all or nothing - either you only use Google Play, or you allow everything.

      The problem with "let the user decide" is it ignores the ultimate reality of security - Dancing Pigs. Basically a user cannot be trusted with their own security - they will always choose the least secure path if it gets them what they want. So if their friend shows them a new app they have to install manually, well, they'll do it.

      Hell, even on iOS jailbroken users get broken into constantly. Because they install OpenSSH, usually because some HOWTO said to install it. There have been many iOS worms and Trojans that exploit the fact that if you can SSH into an iOS device, it's jailbroken so you can do many more things.

    15. Re:Market Share by andydread · · Score: 1
    16. Re:Market Share by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      You're right. The way I should have phrased that is that it isn't about the security of the OSes themselves or their relative market shares, it's about the security of the stores from which the OSes procure their apps.

      That said, I'd be careful in how you refer to them. This isn't an OS issue, per se, so much as this is a platform or ecosystem issue. We're not talking about inherent weaknesses in the OSes themselves; we're talking about weaknesses in other parts of the ecosystem that can affect the OS.

    17. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 3, Informative
    18. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      yawn. In related news: the market share of christmas trees has plummeted significantly. Oh, and if you don't get that, you don't get marketshare (Hint: AUGUST 2013).

    19. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      And to help you out a bit more: http://www.theguardian.com/tec... aptly titled "Why an 80% market share might only represent half of smartphone users"

    20. Re:Market Share by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Attacks for Android exist because Android doesn't have as high of walls on its garden.

      That said, a US-based malware writer does set the "USA Only" flag when he publishes. He's content to allow it to run in China and India.

    21. Re:Market Share by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, that does kind of blow up my assumption. There seems something funny about those numbers in wiki though...can't put my finger on it.

    22. Re:Market Share by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      no curation for Android

      Untrue. By default you have Play, Google's curated app store. You can install other app stores or side load, but the default is just Play.

      With great power comes great responsibility and all that. Besides which Apple's App Store isn't devoid of malware either, it's just a different kind of malware. My girlfriend is Chinese and there are a lot of Chinese apps, presumably not even visible in the western version of the store, that look extremely iffy. They ask you for random personal details, direct you to nasty looking web sites, and have masses of rip-off in-app purchases and pay-to-win scenarios.

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    23. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      For what?

    24. Re:Market Share by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      So, the iOS solution is to not _let_ users install apps from untrustworthy sources.

      Android doesn't have a solution... so... there's that.

      How is that not an iOS vs Android issue?

      Because it's an App store problem. Google Play store and Amazon probably do a pretty good job on security but dozens of others do not. Both OS'es are more or less equally vulnerable and if Apple allowed every Tom, Dick and Harry to sell iOS apps with zero effort to assure that they are selling malware free software Apple would have the exact same malware problem that Google does with Android. Whatever else iTunes may be, as far as malware is concerned, iTunes seems to be a quite trustworthy source. To distill his comment into a single sentence for the catchphrase loving 2/3s of the /. reading public: "When it comes to making life hard for malware authors, walled gardens have their advantages." I'm sure that like your self very few people here agree with that statement so if you'll excuse me, I'm going to pop into the locker room now to don my fire resistant suit.

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    25. Re:Market Share by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      Humble Bundle is available on the Google Play store. https://play.google.com/store/...

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    26. Re:Market Share by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the smartphone market, the US still comprises a decently large slice of the pie

      The US numbers show iOS at 42%, and Android at 51%. The worldwide numbers show iOS at 15.5%, and Android at 78.9%. So, there's your difference. Links stolen from above:

      http://www.comscoredatamine.co...
      http://www.engadget.com/2014/0...

      Those worldwide numbers are from 2013 though, so I expect that iOS would have continued to shrink over the past 4 months, there's no reason it would have gone up.

      particularly at the high end of the market where the more valuable users tend to reside.

      News flash: there are more high-end smartphones that run Android then there are that run iOS. Welcome to 2012.

      Saying that more malware targets Android than does iOS is the same as saying more targets Windows than MacOS. It's a market share issue, again.

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    27. Re:Market Share by andydread · · Score: 1

      hahaha keep living in your apple bubble. Meanwhile the facts on the ground.....

    28. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States is far more important than the rest of the world. In fact, foreigners are essentially worthless outside of making cheap goods. Who cares what phone some illiterate sweatshop worker has?

    29. Re:Market Share by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      [Citation needed]

      Oh, I don't know. Just pick any random slashdot thread where a security vulnerability in an Apple product is mentioned. Those comments seem to rely pretty heavily on "it's about security, not marketshare" when the tables are reversed.

      If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

    30. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      The latter is easy, you can do research and fix the numbers accordingly. I think a lot of Slashdot users are tricked by cognitive bias because they themselves prefer Android over iOS (or the vocal ones do). I have a cyanogenmodded Kindle Fire (1st gen) and an iPad (4th gen) and prefer the latter over the former; to me Android (the cyanogenmod version) looks more ugly, which is also bias, of course. Oh, I am sure I can "fix" it by installing stuff, like I can "fix" Linux distros, but that's exactly what I want to avoid ;-)

    31. Re:Market Share by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no curation for Android

      Untrue. By default you have Play, Google's curated app store. You can install other app stores or side load, but the default is just Play.

      With great power comes great responsibility and all that. Besides which Apple's App Store isn't devoid of malware either, it's just a different kind of malware. My girlfriend is Chinese and there are a lot of Chinese apps, presumably not even visible in the western version of the store, that look extremely iffy. They ask you for random personal details, direct you to nasty looking web sites, and have masses of rip-off in-app purchases and pay-to-win scenarios.

      You realise if an Apple user tried to spin that line in a story where 99% of malware was targeted at iOS they would be down modded into the ground, right?

      "Here's tangible, documented proof of 99% of malware being on Android, but hey, some Chinese apps on iOS 'look a bit suspicious' so Apple is bad too!"

      Laughable. Truly laughable.

    32. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      [citation needed] And FWIW, I own a tablet running Cyanogenmod. Welcome to the real world (TM).

    33. Re:Market Share by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Oh, market share is certainly a factor, but as I already detailed in another reply, I hardly think it's the factor that matters most.

      Also, I never suggested iOS outnumbered Android, whether at the high-end or not, nor would I, since I agree with you that that simply isn't the case. Setting aside your straw man, what you'll see is that I suggested that the US' population tends to reside disproportionately at the high-end of the market, relative to the world's smartphone market.

      Going back to market share, I wasn't trying to make a point, other than that his statistic was irrelevant. I don't particularly care which platform is "winning", so long as we have some competition going on.

    34. Re:Market Share by exomondo · · Score: 1

      But since it's roughly 50/50 in the USA why aren't the attacks in the USA also not 50/50?

      Maybe they are. I can't say I have seen any such statistics and I certainly can't understand why malware writers in general would target only a specific geographic area or even how they would limit it to that area.

    35. Re:Market Share by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      http://tabtimes.com/resources/... [tabtimes.com] begs to differ

      You're bad at reading statistics. Your sources show that in Q1 2013, iOS had a market share of 48.2%. Then in Q3 2013, six months later, the market share was 29.6%. That still sounds like lots more Android. Look at that table on the Wikipedia article also. In Q2-Q3 2013, according to units sold or units shipped, iOS was between 14.2% and 18.2%, and Android was between 74.4% and 79%.

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    36. Re:Market Share by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      By that argument all computing devices should be locked down and not allowed to be general purpose. The internet should be heavily filtered and turned into a walled garden. Some people might like that, but a lot would reject it.

      The thing about Chinese app stores is that they have got a lot better in the last couple of years. The reason why is rather obvious. The service provider usually provides the app store, and it is in their interest not to allow apps that rack up massive phone bills by texting premium rate numbers because often the user can't or won't pay. Legally they make themselves liable by providing the app responsible.

      Places like China are going through the same phase the west went through in the late 90s/early 2000s. It's all new, people need time to get used to it, and until then they fall for all the old scams. Companies too need time to get their act together in preventing fraud. Eventually they will reach the level the west is at, where most people know not to install random crap or fall or Nigerian princess offering them a share of their millions.

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    37. Re:Market Share by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1, Funny

      In related news: the market share of christmas trees has plummeted significantly. Oh, and if you don't get that, you don't get marketshare (Hint: AUGUST 2013).

      Are you suggesting that the market share of units sold changes for some reason 4 months before Christmas versus the rest of the year? Wouldn't the two OSs be sold in the same percentages both before and after Christmas? The price points aren't so different that something like that would happen.

      Also, what is "the market share of Christmas trees"? Which market are you referring to there? In the Christmas tree market, the market share of Christmas trees stays roughly at 100% the entire year. Christmas trees don't have a lot of competition in the Christmas tree market. That's not a very good analogy.

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    38. Re:Market Share by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Most of the cellphone market is smartphones now. Sorry bud.

    39. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummmmm, you are aware that android disallows installation of apps from third party sources by default, right? To be able to do it, the user must go into settings, then go into developer options (which is actually hidden as of 4.3) and select to install third party, and then agree to the warning it displays. How is that not something they have to explicitly turn off to access questionable materials?

    40. Re:Market Share by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      "Who cares what phone some illiterate sweatshop worker has?"

      People who make malware and want it to spread as far as possible.

    41. Re:Market Share by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I use Android devices simply due to cost. Wife has Iphone, its nice. No bias here, Android had a lot of ground to make up wrt market share, I just thought they were further along and that tablets, rather than phones, where the place where more share was being taken... I got that backwards.

      Kindle is not a good Android representation. I have 3 different Android tablets..they all 'just work'. Never saw any need to pay more cause I got what I need. I did get super frustrated trying to add some free apps to wife's iphone without giving them a credit card number. Had to run through all kinds of hoops. That was a huge turnoff for me, but the phone works fine for the wife...she's happy, I'm happy.

    42. Re:Market Share by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      "But the problem is the checkbox is all or nothing - either you only use Google Play, or you allow everything."

      Not true you can use the check box, install your third party application and the remove the check limiting installs to play store only again.

    43. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Market share and actual use are 2 different figures. From the same page: installed base at the end of 2013 iPad: 51% Android: 40%.

    44. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      I can imagine that credit card details of someone living in the USA is more useful than say someone living in Mexico (which I actually do).

    45. Re:Market Share by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Market share and actual use are 2 different figures.

      Yes, I know that. Which of those are we discussing in this thread? Hint: check the thread title.

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    46. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      No idea why the Kindle Fire isn't a good representation (I have no problems with it). OK, it probably depends a lot on what you do with it. But Angry Birds and Sky Cups run great on it ;-). As for the credit card, haven't encountered that one. I never needed a credit card to install apps on the iPad; I just bought an Apps or iTunes card in a local shop, entered the code and got credit. I am outside of the USA, so maybe that's the difference? (Also, I use my own email address instead of icloud).

    47. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Yup, and wrt threats install base is way more interesting to look at than market share. So why if the install base is roughly 50 50 (or 60:40 with 60 for iOS) *why* do 99% of the threats target Android.

    48. Re:Market Share by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      He didn't say anything about "should." He talked about "does." You're dragging him into a theoretical argument on the ethics of a curated platform he didn't start, largely because you can't win the technical argument about reality.

      Here's reality: since all malware is software, any computing platform that's designed to run as much software as possible will include more malware then a more restricted platform. That is the reality of the situation. Whether the trade-off is worth it probably depends on a lot of factors -- how much software is available on the restricted platform, how bad the malware is, how much more software is on the non-restricted platform, whether the very idea of letting some asshole in Cupertino curate your computing experience creepifies you, etc. The more control you have over your devices the more ability you have to fuck them up, and that's just reality.

      I have no doubt these particular Malware problems will shrink as people get educated on these issues. But that doesn't mean that all Android Malware magically goes away, it just means that Android Malware morphs to something new and different.

      When you're the big target somebody is gonna succeed in developing malware for your platform. Since Droid don't have an asshole who can just pull a bad app from the store, and then implement a mandatory update to the OS so that said bad app never runs again, Droids always gonna have objectively more hacking/malware/etc. then iOS. That's just the tradeoff google chose when they decided they'd go for the mass market, and make it easy for geeks to do whatever they wanted with their phones.

    49. Re:Market Share by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I can imagine that credit card details of someone living in the USA is more useful than say someone living in Mexico (which I actually do).

      Of course but I doubt they would go to the effort of limiting malware to the USA to exclude Mexico just because those card numbers may not be as valuable. Do you have evidence of them doing this?

    50. Re:Market Share by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      No man. The Google Play Store is checked for malware and things like that. The issue is a lot of people install apps they got from somewhere else. But you know what? More power to them. At least they can pick other places to shop instead of Apple's one sure way or go to the highway.

    51. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Nope, hence why I imagine. But the question remains, if install base in the USA is roughly 50/50, why are 99% of the mobile threats Android only. I don't think the install base of android vs. iOS taking the entire world into account is 99:1.

    52. Re:Market Share by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      and have masses of rip-off in-app purchases and pay-to-win scenarios.

      You don't have to be in the "shady" part of the app store for those. That's industry standard now.

    53. Re:Market Share by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      I think if you've had an Itunes/store account for a while its no problem, but try creating a new one now so that you can just download free apps and they require a credit card or a gift card. There is a workaround but you'd never figure it out without googling around.. Apple certainly steers customers toward providing that card number.

    54. Re:Market Share by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Over a year ago, there were more smartphone subscribers in China than the entire population of the US. And that represents just a 22% market penetration in China. Between China, India, and SE Asia there are over 3.3 BILLION people - and they are rapidly moving into smartphones.

      The future of smartphones is NOT the US, and the US is not even a decently large slice of the pie even in the high end (most mobile phones in China sell for over 3000 RMB - $500). It resides in Asia. Come on over to Shanghai and you'll see what smartphone penetration can be.

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    55. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YEAH. I DEMAND to see the smartphone statistics for the great nation of Kazakhstan. And what about Albania?

      *mutters* Everyone always forgets about Albania.........

    56. Re:Market Share by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Nope, hence why I imagine.

      That's why I thought the assertion in this question: But since it's roughly 50/50 in the USA why aren't the attacks in the USA also not 50/50? was pretty disingenuous.

      But the question remains, if install base in the USA is roughly 50/50, why are 99% of the mobile threats Android only.

      Well the way I see it there are a number of contributing factors, Android has a much higher marketshare globally (restricting it to the US is silly because malware writers don't restrict their software geographically) so it is a larger target and it also allows installation of applications outside of Google Play. Apple disallows that and seems to do a pretty good job of curating their app store, getting malware past an app store curator is a hurdle that doesn't exist on Android hence iOS has less malware targeted at it. So it's simple: path of least effort combined with largest userbase.

    57. Re:Market Share by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.

      When Apple had more market share, the malware rate was for Android was still way higher. Just that back then Symbian, Windows Mobile and J2ME beat Android by a wide margin. http://www.themobilewebtrends.com/2013/03/why-android-is-most-unsecure-mobile.html

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    58. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      For what?

      For "Android also had most malware back then too"

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    59. Re:Market Share by gnoshi · · Score: 1

      True, but you still need to set your phone to allow installation of apps from untrusted sources to install Android apps purchased as part of bundles, don't you? (Because the Humble Bundle app installs them, not the Play store).

      This is an issue of transitivity of trust: Let's imagine that I trust Google Play to only include safe apps, so I install the Humble Bundle app from Google Play. However, in order to install any apps from the Humble Bundle store I have to allow the installation of all other apps. Installing the Humble Bundle app from Google Play doesn't transfer trust to the Humble Bundle app so it can't install apps. Similarly, even if the Amazon store appeared on the Google Play store, it wouldn't be able to install apps without me allowing installation from all unknown app sources.
      Generally, I still have the ability to choose what does and doesn't get installed (assuming I don't activate ADB, in which case all bets are off, but I would have to actively choose to do that) so it isn't like I'm allowing any app to install whatever it wants. However, by adding an Android permission to allow an app to install other apps there could be some degree of trust transfer.
      Of course, the outcome would probably be that huge numbers of apps would request the permission to install other apps and then have a field day because most people don't read the permissions anyway when they are installing, and this is compounded by the stupid Android security model that doesn't allow any permissions refinement (e.g. no "optional permissions", no "ask on first use", only "accept all the permissions or don't install"). BB has managed to have permission overrides for ages without the world collapsing, and iOS is polite enough to ask when apps want to do certain things (e.g. GPS access).

    60. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's tangible, documented proof of 99% of malware being on Android,

      Where?

    61. Re:Market Share by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      "Who cares what phone some illiterate sweatshop worker has?"

      People who make malware and want it to spread as far as possible.

      Favor market share over profits? Sounds like malware writers are like Amazon.

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    62. Re:Market Share by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, why do Fandroids have a problem typing "it[cursor right] ac[cursor right] w" into Google? With autocomplete that's all you need to find what you are really trying hard not to find.

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    63. Re:Market Share by ashpool7 · · Score: 1

      in regards to iOS, the store and the OS are inseparable

      in regards to Android, the OS allowing side-loading is the avenue that allows malware to enter

      technically, it might matter as to if you say it's an OS issue or a "platform" issue, but practically, the nature of the OSes make the difference on this issue moot

    64. Re:Market Share by ashpool7 · · Score: 1

      No, I agree with that statement. I just don't agree that separating the app procurement from the OS makes it any less about the OS/platform/whatever, because the OS dictates how you get them.

    65. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that in the US Android is at 52% market share and iOS is at 41%? The difference is not in the size of the platforms. Globally there are more Android, but most of them are really low end devices.

    66. Re:Market Share by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course Apple used to be the market share leader. But Android also had most malware back then too.

      Apple was never the market share leader. The press just fawns over them like they were/are.

    67. Re:Market Share by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      But the problem is the checkbox is all or nothing - either you only use Google Play, or you allow everything.

      I run CM11 on old 2.3.x hardware. Due to space limitations, google apps won't fit on the device alongside the standard armv6 ROM so I use f-droid.

      So yeah, toggling the checkbox does increase the chance that a user will inadvertently access a hyperlink to install a random .apk

      I have more faith in the f-droid repo of FOSS more than I do random apps on Google Play! It would be nice if CM provided an option to keep the checkbox for app delivery but allow the user to override a list of trusted repositories, i.e. f-droid. (Of course perhaps I should get off my lazy arse and code the thing!)

    68. Re:Market Share by tepples · · Score: 1

      Now I'm interested in how to work this autocomplete. I have a Nexus 7 tablet and I can't find which button on the on-screen keyboard is "cursor right".

    69. Re:Market Share by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer a more permanent arrangement. Allow the power user to 'bless' alternative application repos, such as f-droid (not in Google's financial interest naturally)
      This would obviate 'accidental' installs where a user is coerced into installing a trojan .apk (OMG! Ponies!) from a hyperlink.
      (As I just posted in reply to the same comment...)

    70. Re:Market Share by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I dunno, given that the average American houshold is only slightly above Greece, maxed out US credit card info may not be particularly valuable: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04...

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    71. Re:Market Share by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I guess it only works on a Twitter and Facebook infested iPad, not on a real tablet like yours.

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    72. Re:Market Share by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Simple. 99% target Android, because 99.999% of them don't actually work and the malware writers desperately keep trying different things.

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    73. Re:Market Share by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Of course. Linux has been labelled as a virus by important industry leaders, so 100% of Android machines run malware.

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    74. Re:Market Share by adolf · · Score: 1

      Missing from this discussion is the simple fact that LOTS of cheap Android devices don't even come with Google Play, but are just loosely based on AOSP with some random app store that no right-thinking person would ever choose to use.

      Also missing is the fact that Google seems to be very deliberate in allowing such devices to use Google Play, even though it generally works just fine on most/all of them once properly hacked into place. (Amazon's app store, by contrast, is a simple .apk download.)

    75. Re:Market Share by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Um, Apple never had the market share lead [as in iOS phone devices vs all other smartphone devices worldwide, and maybe not even in the US]. They had more marketshare than Android for some time.

      And I'm sure having multiple parties all having to come together to make the Android device doesn't help with code quality. Google uses Linux, then mixes it up with their own code, various other companies have to produce drivers to make the various hardware bits work, then the integrator [Samsung HTC, etc] needs to piece them together and then slap their own GUI layer and a bunch of custom apps under intense time pressure to get it to market ASAP.

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    76. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.

      And when Apple gets the same market share that Microsoft has, they really start to feel the heat.

    77. Re:Market Share by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Get a real computer. Or Google how Google autocomplete works on Google devices.

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    78. Re:Market Share by zennyboy · · Score: 1

      "itv player account watch live" - not sure how relevant...

    79. Re:Market Share by Xest · · Score: 1

      "But since it's roughly 50/50 in the USA why aren't the attacks in the USA also not 50/50?"

      How do you know it's not? You seem to be cherry picking market breakdown figures for OS when it suits and then extrapolating an opinion about malware based on global figures.

      You can't have it both ways, either compare global to global, or local to local.

      Given that malware is rarely written for one specific country though, you'll have a hard time breaking down malware figures to those specifically targetting the US, hence why it makes more sense to just compare global figures to global figures rather than cherry picking stats like you're doing.

      Long story short, you're not comparing like for like. If mobile malware is developed for a global market then it's a nonsense to compare against local statistics and try and draw a conclusion. It's not that the US is of no interest to malware writers, it's that the global market is of even greater interest and there's no reason to specifically target the US. In other words you're building a straw man, malware writers don't have to choose what countries to target when they write malware when by default they can just target the globe (and it's more lucrative to do so).

    80. Re:Market Share by Xest · · Score: 1

      I can put your finger on it for you - the stats in the main diagram are dodgy as fuck.

      There are a few metrics being used on that page - actual sales to date, shipped (but not necessarily sold) to date, US subscribers, and arbitrary measurements based on browsing.

      The least trustworthy of these is the arbitrary measurements based on browsing, because they're arbitrary. To measure what browser someone is using to view your page from the server side you're relying on the device telling you, there are numerous problems with this:

      - iOS isn't as configurable, meaning if you use a browser on iOS you'll pretty much always end up seeing that Safari user agent string

      - Android is highly configurable, there's no guarantee the browser people use will even tell you it's Android

      - The server side tracking software has to reliably detect every user agent and know what OS it belongs to - this is easy when you have a small selection of strings with iOS, but hard where you have a massive range of strings with Android that may or may not include the text "Android" in them

      But it's worse than that, some browsers pre-fetch pages you may never even visit just in case you visit them to try and speed up the appearance of page loading (because it already loaded it) if you do visit it. Some browsers have an option to route all your requests through secure servers to make sure all your web browsing is done in a way snooping eyes can't see. Does the stat tracking method treat all the accesses from this set of secure servers as one device? How do you determine unique devices? IP address? Do you just count page impressions?

      Also, just because people aren't browsing the web doesn't mean they're not using the tablet - maybe people use the web less on one tablet because it has a better range of apps to do the things they need for example.

      The final problem is that basically none of the methods of measurement are even auditable or transparent. The companies behind them could quite literally be getting paid to just make the numbers up.

      The fact all this is true is verifiable simply by the fact that browsing stats on that page are grossly contradictory, the gross contradictions show what an entirely arbitrary and meaningless measure it is.

      Units shipped is slightly more reliable because it's based on a cold hard figure, which companies could be sued for if grossly misleading, but then there's units sold, which is highly reliable because it's similarly got legal backing behind it - if a company lies about units sold then they'll get in deep legal shit for misleading the stock market. You'll probably notice that these vastly less arbitrary, and much more firmly backed numbers all favour Android by a range of 74.4% to 81.3%. This in itself is a far smaller spread (6.9% vs. 21.64%) than the user browsing methods and greater agreement implies there's likely a far lower error margin in the method which in itself could be explained almost entirely by shipped vs. sold and fluctuations through time.

      For what it's worth if you do a meta analysis of the numbers and take the mean of them all you get 59% for Android, 31% for iOS. Take what you will from that, but I'd wager it's a far safer figure than the cherry picked NetApplications (who have a horrendous track record of fiddling figures FWIW) browsing figures used for the graph - whoever cherry picked that as the stat to graph has a clear agenda on that wiki page.

      Long story short, the most trustworthy stats on the page indicate Android has a big lead (as high as 67.9%), the least trustworthy that are being cherry picked by the fanboy above suggest opposite. A meta analysis which goes some way to eliminate bias when you have competing figures still gives Android a 28% lead.

      If I was a gambling man I know where I'd put my money on who has the largest usage share and it definitely wouldn't be iOS unless I was the sort of guy who also believed the Iraqi information minister when he said US troops were nowhere near Baghdad as he was stood in Baghdad with a convoy of US troops rolling past him in the background.

    81. Re:Market Share by Wingsy · · Score: 1

      About time someone spoke up to correct that myth.

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    82. Re:Market Share by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I can put your finger on it for you

      Wow, that wasn't just putting a finger on it, it was more like a full rectal exam. Use your own finger!

    83. Re:Market Share by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My point was that iOS is hardly free of things that can do users harm either. You also completely ignored the point that Android comes with Play, and if it doesn't it isn't allowed to be branded "Android" (it can be AOSP or some custom name, but Android is a trademark).

      Nice straw man though, well done with that.

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    84. Re:Market Share by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Because most Android devices in the US have Play as the default/only app store, and it is about as good as Apple's store for detecting and killing malware. The people at risk are the ones who side load or install dodgy third party markets, and most of them are not in the US.

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    85. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You've been here long enough to have seen it.

      Type Malware into Slashdot's search box. Go back to 2011. At a rate of about once a month you'll see stories about multiple malware apps found on The Android Market as Google Play was known then. And you won't see any such stories for iOS.

    86. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The Google Play Store is checked for malware and things like that.

      Auto-running a virus checker on uploaded apps does not a curated app store make. Curation is a human activity.

      And Google Play is not free from malware. I've just been going through old Slashdot stories about mobile malware and most of the reports have been on Google Play (or The Android Market as it was previously known.). This notion that it's only the other stores that are a problem is false.

      But you know what? More power to them. At least they can pick other places to shop instead of Apple's one sure way or go to the highway.

      The freedom to have malware. One of the lesser known freedoms.

    87. Re:Market Share by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I have no doubt these particular Malware problems will shrink as people get educated on these issues. But that doesn't mean that all Android Malware magically goes away, it just means that Android Malware morphs to something new and different.

      So... Windows is now malware-free then? I mean, everyone now has anti-virus, anti-malware programs. Visiting sketchy websites prompts warnings from many browsers, including IE. Unsigned apps downloaded from the Internet pop up dialogs asking if you really trust them, etc.

      And I would say for nearly 2 decades we've been hearing about how to protect yourself and your computer from malware.

      By that logic, Windows SHOULD be malware-free by now... right?

      The problem is no, because of the Dancing pigs principle - a user will pick dancing pigs over security every time .

      Yes, that includes downloading oddball encrypted ZIP files, entering strange passwords, clicking through all dialogs that say "DO NOT RUN THIS FILE!!!!" etc. Hell, you can probably tell the user to rename the file to .exe and they'll do it as well even if it involves clicking through a million checkboxes (e.g., "Show filename extensions").

      It's only a matter of time before malware Android apps spread through e-mails "from a friend".

    88. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      OK, so they target the globe. With an install base of 50/50 iOS v.s Android, whats the threat ratio in the USA?

    89. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Hmm no citation, just bluster, typical.

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    90. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flawed logic. And simply technically wrong.

      The same claim is wrong with Mac/Unix vs. Windows - seriously it's architecture and design quality but I don't expect buzzword-compliant newbies to understand this.

      Similarly with iOS it is about the App vetting process and "walled garden" that everyone complains about. Surprise, surprise, you can't get everything and there's always a price to pay. Android has all the same security philosophy flaws that Windows has (had).

      The biggest mistake is misunderstand where computing technology is on its "technology adoption curve" and how you must design products differently depending which market you are targeting and which part the technology is in.

    91. Re:Market Share by Xest · · Score: 1

      We don't know, that's why it's fruitless and meaningless to go down your path of desperate clawing at the USA stats because they're the only ones that come even remotely close to satisfying your fanboy desires to see Apple on top.

      Why not just stick to the global stats and have done with it other than the fact you don't like the global stats because they're unfortunate for your strong fanboy bias towards Apple?

    92. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You seem to have confused a citation with a link. I've told you exactly where and how to find the information. If you were actually interested in the facts you'd look. But you aren't. Presumably because as I said you have been here long enough to already know what I said is true.

    93. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      The people at risk are also those who are several OS versions behind. Something that's easy to happen with Android. At least here in Mexico most low priced devices run 2.x or so (last time I checked).

    94. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Ah, a fanboy, or an anti-fanboy, the sheep who always goes the other way. Lemme tell you kiddo, I do have both android and apple devices (I've even considered a Surface a few times, and it still might happen, I do have a PDA running mobile windows 5, does that count?) in my house and I don't give a flying F who's on top. . Or actually, I do, I hope Apple doesn't get mainstream and on top because that will lower the quality.

      And yes, it's still a good question, if the install base is 50/50 in the USA, why don't we see more mobile treats hitting iOS? Or do we?

    95. Re:Market Share by Xest · · Score: 1

      I really don't give a shit what you have. The fact remains that you're cherry picking stats to favour apple.

      Given that people have pointed this out to you and you still persist on parroting those stats then how can I reasonably assume you're anything other than a fanboy?

      There's no rational reason to cherry pick misleading stats as you have when others tell a more objective story other than having an underlying will to favour Apple.

      You're still missing the point, no one's making malware specifically for the US market - they're making it for the global market, that means when you examine just the US marketshare it appears to show a skew. So I'll explain it again, if you're desperate to know the impact of the US market you need to find out what malware has been developed and targetted specifically at devices in the US market. I doubt any such malware exists though precisely because it's easier to target the global market by default.

    96. Re:Market Share by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      If I am cherry picking give the facts, simple. Don't come at me with "everybody (in this thread, and far from bias free, this is slashdot) says your wrong".

      Anyway, it's simple, if malware doesn't care about country, then one certainly can look at the install base within a country and the threat risk. So if there's (a significant amount of) malware targetting iOS one must see this in the USA as well. Finally, malware targetting specific countries, even specific companies does exists and I doubt it's different with the mobile market. It all depends on what the goal is. Some try to catch as many fish as possible, others go after specific (to them) fat fish

    97. Re:Market Share by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. I came to the same conclusion after thinking about it some more. There is one caveat tho, a very small amount of extra trust is gained in that you originally installed the new store via the Google Play store.

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    98. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You seem to be confused about what a citation is. But carry on, bluster is what you know, and that is all we will ever see from you. At least you are entertaining as you scurry from fallback to fallback as Apple steadily loses share. Seems to hang onto its share of idiots all right, though.

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    99. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, why do Fandroids have a problem typing "it[cursor right] ac[cursor right] w" into Google? With autocomplete that's all you need to find what you are really trying hard not to find.

      Your search - itac w702 -1 - did not match any documents.

    100. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.

      When Apple had more market share, the malware rate was for Android was still way higher. Just that back then Symbian, Windows Mobile and J2ME beat Android by a wide margin. http://www.themobilewebtrends.com/2013/03/why-android-is-most-unsecure-mobile.html

      Wow - That graph really shows that people like Android much better than Apple stuff now. Who cares if it has bugs, everything does. Thanks for the info!

    101. Re:Market Share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a real computer. Or Google how Google autocomplete works on Google devices.

      What about if I got a BSD Unix based device, like free BSD that used kill -9 hacks to maintain it's stability. Does that count as a 'real' computer.

    102. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty good example of bluster from you right there. Come back when you have something to contribute.

    103. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Very amusing that you should go so widely off topic. Remember the topic was malware. For which Android has a 97% of the market.

      (Also amusing is that in your haste to post, you didn't get the right link for the quote. And that quote was for US only, the following paragraph showing the global data to be virtually flat.)

      Seems like you are emotionally invested in Android.

    104. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Ah, helpful of you to point out that iOS apps crash more often than Android apps. Of course my quote was for the US. You were entirely right to point out that in order to accomodate your one-button IQ I must specify that the numbers are for US, Apple's most important market. Don't you see Apple getting its ass handed to it in the US as an issue? And a global rise of 1.52% is "virtually flat" only in the mind of a slavering Apple toady. The Android global increase is starting from a base that has been up till now, considerably higher than the US. Looking forward to more of that "flat".

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    105. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Ah, helpful of you to point out that iOS apps crash more often than Android apps.

      Do try not to be a moron.

      the numbers are for US, Apple's most important market

      Bullshit. It doesn't matter where in the world a profit is made. Global figures are what matter to all companies.

      The Android global increase is starting from a base that has been up till now, considerably higher than the US.

      Indeed. Which is why up to now, you've been interested in global figures, and switched to US figures now that they're levelling off.

    106. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Some Apple toady you are, don't care about Apple losing its grip on its home market, don't care about losing market share in general! Pathetic.

      Well I care, because you are a great source of amusement. Only... you seem to be petering out, can you please ramp up the obnoxiousness a little more?

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    107. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Well you sure must be starved of entertainment in your mom's basement.

    108. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      There thataboy, your trademark Apple toady obnoxious flows right back to you.

      Q1 2014 Smartphone OS Results: Android Dominates High Growth Developing Markets>Q1 2014 Smartphone OS Results: Android Dominates High Growth Developing Markets

      Isn't that sweet? Including the Android open source project, Android now has 80% of the worldwide smartphone market and sitll rising. Windows phones rising too, while iOS turned in a 14% decline from last quarter. Slip, slip slipping away. Your pals slipping away too, will you be the last astroturfer standing?

      Brilliant retort by the way, consistent with your one button IQ.

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    109. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Oh, you got the link right this time. Did you try really hard?

      iOS growth 17%. Yes, that's pretty sweet. Thanks.

      Android now has 80% of the worldwide smartphone market and sitll rising.

      Only 44% on your link. Maybe you did fuck it up again.

    110. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      17% growth for Apple... year on year, while the sequential decline is 14%, do you understand what that means? If your one-button IQ does not comprehend, then think "cliff, falling".

      ABI Research reports that Android once again dominated the Q1 2014 shipment numbers for smartphone advanced operating systems with *** 80% *** market share (including AOSP) of just under 300 million smartphones shipped in Q1 2014.

      Read and weep. Or bluster, it's up to you.

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    111. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      17% growth for Apple... year on year, while the sequential decline is 14%, do you understand what that means?

      Yeah, it means phones, like every other consumer electronic item, are seasonal. And this quarter was the one after the holidays.

      If you weren't such a dweeb, you'd have noticed Android is down sequentially too.

      ABI Research reports that Android once again dominated the Q1 2014 shipment numbers for smartphone advanced operating systems with *** 80% *** market share (including AOSP) of just under 300 million smartphones shipped in Q1 2014.

      Oh, right, so you're comparing Android plus AOSP's percentage of smartphones with iOS's growth in the entire phone market. You can certainly be relied upon to be an idiot! Analysis is obviously not your strong point.

    112. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Don't whine to me, complain to ABI research if their numbers conflict with your delusions. Also, pay more attention to your quoting.

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    113. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the thing you don't understand for your lack of understanding.

    114. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      iPad sales slumped 16.1% YOY while Samsung tablet sales roared ahead by 32%

      Sitting back with popcorn for your idiot twisting on that one now.

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    115. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You're improving. You've learned to do YoY, and compare like with like.

    116. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I like comparing shrinking Apple with expanding Android, year over year or day over day, you name it. Did you hear that LG shipped 13 million handsets last quarter, up 54%? Great news.

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    117. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      No, I heard it was 12.1 million. Why is it you never get your story straight?

      I remember the days when Apple used to only sell just 12.1 million. It was 2007.

    118. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      LG sells 13 million smartphones during q4 up 54 percent

      Those days when Apple only sells 12 or 13 million handsets a quarter are on their way back, isn't that great? See, Tim Cook may wear the black turtleneck but he doesn't fill the shoes.

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    119. Re:Market Share by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Wrong quarter you fool.

      http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_q1_...

    120. Re:Market Share by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The good news about LG growth just keeps coming. Let me see, Apple losing share in the critical US market, losing share in high growth emerging markets, losing share in handsets and tablets too. Damn customers just do not respond properly to reality distortion any more, it's almost like they want value for their money. Where or where is that iWatch? Apple really needs a new straw to grasp at right about now.

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  4. No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Android is the only platform on which it is flexible enough to allow for any sort of mobile malware.

    This speaks to restrictions of other application types have too.

    But even with this taken into consideration, the amount of Android devices infected with mobile malware? Still next to none.

    Article is essentially just flamebait.

    1. Re:No shit by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 2

      This comment reminds me of the people on Apple Support Communities who insisted that FlashBack was not actually a thing, that it was not infecting any systems, anywhere, and it was all just a big myth created by AV companies to sell product.

      Meanwhile I was spending a day each week clearing FlashBack off dozens of infected student systems because the kids were too &*(@#$ stupid to not whack the monkey or whatever stupid thing they did in order to get infected (and god help us if we didn't give them administrative privileges, you don't want to hear the caterwauling they make at the slightest hint of restrictions).

      See, apparently I'm in the employ of AV companies and didn't know it. My bank account never noticed it either.

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    2. Re:No shit by Goody · · Score: 1

      Android is the only platform on which it is flexible enough to allow for any sort of mobile malware.

      So when Android gives you the ability to fuck up your system it's flexibility. Do you work in sales or at Samsung?

      Android fanboyism is getting a bit nuts.

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  5. It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immune. by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    It isn't incredibly hard to make an OS that:
    During a special system boot: You can only install drivers and bootable items.
    During a security boot: You can only install software to its own directory, and it can't interact with other software or system files.

    There, you can't get a virus. Its up to the OS designer to decide how to share things securely. There are lots of options which can be secure to do that, and isn't worth talking about securing the very system.

    It is beyond me why we have modern OSes which aren't 100% virus secure during a security boot... Especially when we're talking about Aps, something people assume should be running in a sandbox mode.

  6. Don't forget to run your Android Virus Scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It turns the red 'X' into a green check mark.

  7. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by axlash · · Score: 1

    It isn't incredibly hard to make an OS that...

    If it was easy, we wouldn't have so many viruses.

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  8. They are not much different by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 0

    Get real. Android is a little over 50% and Apple (iOS) is a little under 50%.

    1. Re:They are not much different by MatthiasF · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not even close.

      Try 78% and 15%, in favor of Android.

      http://www.engadget.com/2014/0...

    2. Re:They are not much different by peragrin · · Score: 0

      True but 80% of those android devices have never received one update due to carrier restrictions.

      80% of all iOS devices have updates installed within 1 month of the updates release.

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    3. Re:They are not much different by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      The statistics disagree: http://www.maclife.com/article...

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    4. Re:They are not much different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that changes the market share picture how?

    5. Re:They are not much different by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      He's probably one of those Apple fanboys who only compares iOS marketshare in the US in the quarter a new iPhone model comes out.

  9. Colour me surprised? Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows occupies a large percentage of the market, thus most malware target that platform. According to the summary, Android occupies a large percentage of the market. Couple that with carriers that do not push any firmware updates known to close security gaps, is anyone the least surprised that mobile malware targets this platform over all the others? I'm not.

  10. this is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a lot of open source code, fragmented platform, vendor (carrier and/or handset manufacturer) updates slow or non-existent, google fails at policing its 'app store' allowing malware in quite easily, inexperienced 'developers' with dreams of big money release shitty code...... a perfect storm for malware to thrive in, and users are mostly unaware (captcha text)

  11. Patting my z10 by Rigel47 · · Score: 1

    Although everyone seems to rejoice at Blackberry's troubles their new Z/Q phones are not only the most secure on the market they are also a pleasure to use. I've had an android and used iPhone's before and they do not compare. The ease of multi-tasking, the Hub, and the generally reliable performance are a pleasure. With the latest BB OS they also run Android apps with ease. It's not 100% compatibility but I've gotten Google Navigate and others installed with one click.

  12. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by tomhath · · Score: 1

    There, you can't get a virus

    Unless it finds a way to disguise itself as a driver or bootable item and interact with other files (which is what malware does).

  13. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

    Or a font.

    Everyone always forgets that virus can travel in fonts too.

  14. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Android doesn't. Yes, there have been a few.

    But the malware being talked about has to be installed by the user. And they are Trojan applications.

  15. Android is the Windows for mobile by turp182 · · Score: 1

    Security flaws weren't what made Windows the prime target for attacks. It was market share. So it makes sense that Android is being targeted, it has the market share (phones and tablets).

    Therefore, this should come as no surprise.

    All software has security flaws (bypassing software you have hardware vectors as well).

    Most any app could be malicious based upon the OS features it requests access to.

    Apples iOS ecosystem seems pretty secure, a big part of that is app review/rejection.

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    1. Re:Android is the Windows for mobile by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      there's the issue of market share and the issue of inherent security design. Android is as secure as a sieve, which is why it had 97% of the malware even when it had small market share. iOS has always had very low malware, even when it was the only kid on the block. You'll note that every instance of iOS malware is so unique and rare that it makes the news and the slashdot front page, while android stuff isnt' commented in. Wasn't there a bug in 4.2 in earlier that makes the phones completely insecure, yet won't be patched on millions of phones?

    2. Re:Android is the Windows for mobile by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      ...it makes sense that Android is being targeted, it has the market share...

      Speaking as an Android fan, that is a cop out. Better we should fully concentrate on examining the attack vectors and closing them. IMHO, the major attack vector is Google's project governance: Android is not a faux-open project, therefore gets a tiny fraction of the peer review that is possible. Next item on the list would be: a security model designed on a whiteboard in a marketing meeting. Typical megacorp engineering approach, by the way. Third thing to regard with high suspicion: Java and anything to do with it. I am sure the list goes on. At least Linux itself is pretty tight, but as long as Google gets free run with no adult supervision, anything can happen.

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    3. Re:Android is the Windows for mobile by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Apples iOS ecosystem seems pretty secure, a big part of that is app review/rejection.

      Which is why no IOS device has ever been Hacked, erm sorry, I mean Jailbroken.

      I'm pretty suspect of these figures, I have no doubt Android is higher due to mainly higher market share and number of devices but also due to the freedom of the Android operating system making it easier for malware writers to hide malware in dodgy app stores (Personally, I'll keep the freedom and take the risk as the risk is so low it's almost funny).

      I'm also pretty suspect about the numbers as I'm sure if there was significant levels of malware on IOS Apple wouldn't be nearly as forthcoming as Google. Also things that are considered Malware on Google are permitted by the Itunes Store T&C (spyware). It's better to say that 97% of _known_ malware is targeting Android and that is a good thing(TM). Nothing is worse for security than ignoring threats.

      The biggest security threat is a problem on any platform however, phishing and social engineering attacks. Anywhere where there are people, there will be phishers.

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    4. Re:Android is the Windows for mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we call them phishermen?

  16. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    what about regular boots that aren't special system boots or security boots. and what about privelage escalation where a virus gets access to do a special system boot?

  17. Re:Android more insecure than Windows!!! by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    It ain't inherent security so much as it is inherent refusal to patch on the part of manufacturers and carriers.

    It would be like putting up a Redhat 9.1 box with all default settings, giving it a public IP addy, and plugging it in directly to the Internet - sure it was very secure for its time, but unpatched and obsolete, it'll become just another victim.

    Until manufacturers and carriers realize this (and stop thinking strictly like a damned CE company), this will continue to be the state of things.

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  18. Not a surprise by NicBenjamin · · Score: 0

    Android does not have a curated market, so it's relatively easy to get Malware out, and then when it gets detected there's no one guy who can say "everyone with this bugged app and auto-update on is safe." Now if iOS was still the dominant OS that wouldn't matter. All Malware authors would be spending all their time trying to crack that shit because there was nothing else worth cracking. It's somewhat analogous to that brief period when OS X had enough market share that people started caring about it, but also had worlds better security then those versions of Windows because it was a BSD flavor and Windows meant XP. Cracking BSD would have been fucking hard, and with all those pretty Windows boxes to infect why bother?

    Since then MS has improved, so that Macs are only slightly more secure then Windows boxes, and OS X market share has improved. Now Macusers actually have to pay attention to security (FYI fellow Macusers: do NOT install MacKeeper. It is a scam. A scam that I see at least twice a month, which means some asshole keeps downloading the damn thing).

    I have no idea whether iOS Malware with ever catch up with Android. It will probably depend on a bunch of factors: can Apple keep the AppStore monopoly, and stay successful at suppressing malware in said store? Does some clever googler figure out a magical way to make the freest phone OS much harder to abuse? Does Droid's market share remain so huge that bothering with non-Droid malware is a dumb business move?

    1. Re:Not a surprise by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Android does not have a curated market, so it's relatively easy to get Malware out

      We've seen Apple approve malware plenty of times. Google doesn't just ignore malware on Play, either. And far more Android users are getting software from third party sources than iOS users. There's just more opportunity for them to get into trouble, but they still have to do something foolish to get taken over.

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    2. Re:Not a surprise by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Actually there's another issue here - Android's security model asks for all the apps permissions before you even get to install it. Whereas on iOS, permissions are asked for by the OS when the app attempts to access the protected APIs. iOS's model is far superior, since for one thing you get a feel for what the app wants the permissions for, and for another you can decline without un-installing the app.

      So if a rogue game app were to suddenly ask for permission to access your contacts, you would be able to say 'no'. On Android, you get asked up front and (almost) everyone just says 'yes'. Doesn't work.

  19. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Even if it's not a virus it can be malware anyway.

    Comic Sans, anyone?

  20. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's nice to be the popular girl at the dance for a change . . . I think.

  21. Who's saying ? by obarthelemy · · Score: 0

    Of note:
    1- F-Secure have no "security suite" for iOS- because that's not possible, Apple disallows it-. Guess what, they find threats where they have product to sell
    2- Listing a grand total of Android viruses is very biased, most people are neither rooted nor using stores outside of Google Play. That takes aways almost all the viruses..

    In the end, alarmist bullcrap with no basis in reality.

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  22. Market Share /= Rewards by Grizzley9 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's great in terms of dominating the market and reaping the rewards that come with it,

    Hmm, I guess you've not seen the $ that Androids competitors bring in directly and for their developers.

  23. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    All boots are security boots unless the user is changing start up programers or changing viruses. In System boot, the user knows that is his only place he can get a virus.

  24. android is cheap shit for ghetto kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course it's riddled with malware and other bullshit

  25. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    Its much easier to not even try at all. Remember Windows was written before the Internet was easily accessible by the public. Why do an expensive rewrite of an OS, when you can just sell your customers computers a sneeze away from getting a virus. Hey maybe even some of them are dumb enough to buy new computers and windows products when their last one gets slow.

  26. Furthering what I've said here all along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more used ANY OS is on any given platform, the more it will be attacked. Why? Simple. Human nature. The bogus side of it. Criminals, are criminals. No matter the place, & they always act the same, using the same general modus operandi.

    Take pickpockets for instance (a favorite example of mine to equate by analogy). Same as the online scammer/malware in general maker: Neither operates on "crowds of 1" really. They seek crowded spots like busy city streets, malls, tran & bus stations + other heavily packed throughfares to operate, since greater numbers generally means better "take" of loot (more potential victims). The best return on invest of their time is the crowded spots.

    In this case, it's Android on smartphones, like Windows is on PC's & Servers combined. This all makes you realize the YEARS OF CRAP spewed by many here on /. of "Linux = Secure, Windows != Secure" is completely blowing up in their faces - why? Again - once Linux (yes, ANDROID IS A LINUX) got a "top spot" on a computing platform, all that "fud" crap went to where it belongs - the shiiter.

    Those who spouted it initially? NOW, they have to "eat their words"... no doubt about it.

    APK

    P.S.=> It's the inevitable truth coming to, as per it's usual, STOMP on years of bullshit lies spewed around here... apk

  27. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by greenwow · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Microsoft has been caught executing code in fonts before, so what you intended to be a joke isn't one. Where I work, we think this issue: https://technet.microsoft.com/... is what shutdown our Windows servers last fall the day after we installed a font we used when generating PDF files. Fortunately, the virus writers were incompetent and crashed Windows, or we probably would have never found the exploit. All of the servers handled credit card transactions and one did ACH transactions so the problem could have put my employer out of business.

  28. Re:Android more insecure than Windows!!! by mmell · · Score: 1
    Actually, I (personally) get it. I run a mix of MS-Win, Linux and Android devices at home, and I consider all to be equally "insecure".

    Then again, I consider myself part of the "white noise". I don't surf for kiddie-porn, don't download (excessively large) amounts of copyrighted video and audio content, and I already know how to manufacture explosives (thus not needing an updated version of The Anarchist's Cookbook). I'm actually a law-abiding US citizen - but I'm perfectly happy to function as white noise for those who believe (quite correctly) that governments everywhere should be kept on their toes - and allowed or even hastened to fall if they fail in this requirement.

  29. Malicious Drive By Downloads by jblb · · Score: 0

    I find browsing even 'legit' websites on my Android phone brings up malicious pop up ads warning my phone has a virus, and need to download. Clicking on the link would start a download for the malicious app to try and side-load it onto the phone. A recent site which tried to this was slickdeals.net, but there have been more than a few others.

  30. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    During a special system boot: You can only install drivers and bootable items.
    During a security boot: You can only install software to its own directory, and it can't interact with other software or system files.

    There, you can't get a virus.

    Sure, now just don't have any errors in any of your user space code, or don't allow multiple programs to share code (all static links) -- Every program will need its own image decoding software, no two programs will interact, so the camera app won't be able to pass off an image to the QR code app which passes the data to your browser or price checking, or etc. apps, etc. So long as you keep the bits of each program in 100% (virtualized) isolation from each other, and NEVER allow outside data in to exploit them then you'll be ALMOST protected against getting viruses.

    One the problems I ran into when porting my OS to ARM is that ARM only gives you a single bit of execution permission level. That means monolithic kernel only, which is just stupid. Only having user-space or kernel space means no driver-space between kernel or users, and no agent-space for plugins below user space. x86 gives me 2 bits (4 execution permission ring levels), in addition to hypervisory mode, which is essentially another bit of execution ring level. So, you have either trusted or untrusted code running in the OS, but that's daft. With at least one more layer between root and code you download and run in your browser, you could actually have hardware supported sandboxing.

    Fast, Cheap, Convenient, or Secure. Pick Only Two.

    The monolithic kernel design isn't designed for security, it's just the quickest and dirtiest design (read: dumbest). Compare this with 16bit DOSes unified memory space where any program can fuck with any other part of memory... Any kernel module can screw with any other part of the kernel, same problem different level. Since everyone's using the dumb monolithic kernel design the (ARM, PowerPC, MIPS, etc) hardware vendors do not give us the required additional security features in hardware (see: ARM's User Mode, Supervisor Mode [, and interrupt modes, but that's not where the bulk of your OS code is]). Restricted memory access does a lot to isolate processes, but the fact is that the way we are using software and OSs is not in line with the current hardware capabilities (which are lacking in some areas, and under utilized in others, e.g., hypervisor).

    Contrary to popular belief software and hardware are inexorably linked. Features in hardware (or lack thereof) can enable, promote, prevent, or suppress certain types of program constructs, primarily those to do with security. I do not JIT compile JS into machine code and execute it in user space, that would be daft, but there you are.

  31. Like the notorious Gartner report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the claim that 99% of mobile malware that targets the OS itself directed at Android, or are they also counting exploits against the pandemic of terrible apps brought on by the absence of any significant obstacle to publishing crap on the Play Store?

  32. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but are you joking, or are you just stupid?

  33. Wow, a Microsoft fanboi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with moderator points!

    The Microsoft TTF backdoor was pretty hard to cleanup. Our FAX server got it. The .NET library we were using that converted .doc files to .tiff files was the problem. It deleted ~/AppData/Local/Temp to try to cover its tracks which broke several other things.

  34. I call bullshit by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I install things willy nilly all the time on 5 different phones. Dozens and dozens of apps get installed and de installed regularly. I have used 10 top rated different AV scanners at various times and NONE of them have ever picked up anything.

  35. Yep, nobody has an iPhone or iPad by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Apple is doomed.

    In other news, you're an idiot.

  36. FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What this article fails to point out is that virtually nobody actually gets infected by mobile malware. Multiple studies confirm this:

    http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~traynor/papers/lever-ndss13.pdf
    http://asokan.org/asokan/research/MobileMalware.pdf

    Real science, based on measurement studies, shows that this is simply not relevant.

  37. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    The issue is further confused by the mobile ecosystem itself. In a lot of cases, whether an app is "trojan malware" or "legitimately ad-supported product" has become a question of destination rather than behavior: the former will send your phone number, email addresses and/or contact list to some strange server in the far east, the latter will send them to AdMob et al... both major platforms have the same philosophy, it's not an Android/iOS fanboy issue.

  38. Re:Android more insecure than Windows!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    any other system is just as insecure,

    Even though Android has overtaken Windows in marketshare and installed base, there are several orders of magnitude more Windows malware variations and actual infections in the wild than Android malware.

    That means Windows is demonstrably less secure than Android.

  39. Why was this -1 troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, the moderation here simply does not work.

  40. By Your Command by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    By that argument all computing devices should be locked down and not allowed to be general purpose.

    So what you are saying is that NO platforms should exist that are locked down, so that non-technical users can be fucked every day all so that you can more easily install animated wallpaper.

    Why is not NOT OK to have a real choice, where people can choose a more open Android or a platform that ships with defaults that are vastly better for 98% of people that will own mobile devices?

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    1. Re:By Your Command by swillden · · Score: 1

      Why is not NOT OK to have a real choice, where people can choose a more open Android or a platform that ships with defaults that are vastly better for 98% of people that will own mobile devices?

      That's a false dichotomy. Android is a platform that ships with defaults that are better for 98% of people that will own mobile devices. By default it only allows installation from the Google Play store.

      That said, I have absolutely nothing against people having a choice between iOS and Android (and whatever else). I'd be very, very concerned if the walled garden were the only option, but it's not.

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    2. Re:By Your Command by tepples · · Score: 1

      Both default to only allowing installation from one store. The difference is that Android doesn't require users to buy a particular brand of desktop computer and pay a recurring fee in order to change that preference from its default.

    3. Re:By Your Command by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      Can you be more clear? What do you mean by a recurring fee? What is that referring to?

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  41. Zero malware by john_uy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I use Windows Phone and get 0% malware. The 1% goes to IOS.

    Windows is indeed getting better. ;)

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    1. Re:Zero malware by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone bother to write malware for Windows Phone?

    2. Re:Zero malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has shown a pretty strong commitment to doing exactly that.

    3. Re:Zero malware by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone bother to write malware for Windows Phone?

      Especially since the target audience would be only himself.

    4. Re:Zero malware by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Not to worry. I am sure the boys up in Redmond are working night and day to increase the % of malware affecting windows phones.

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  42. News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was not news when /. reported on it over a month ago. Is Apple paying the bills around here these days?

  43. reaping the rewards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the basis of publicly available financial reports the only Android maker who is making a profit on Android phones is Samsung. The rest have revenue streams that do not produce a profit.
    Microsoft's position is anomalous as they appear to be making more profit on their Android IP licenses than they are losing on their Nokia Android phones.
    Recent commentary on Redmond's situation seems to suggest that the only way to have mobile devices make a positive contribution to the bottom line is to stop selling them.
    On the subject of malware, Google trying to emulate a "free" Linux environment has led to a situation where they have attracted the Linux hackers but have alienated them with the need for profit (a dirty word in the Linux world). This had led to the birth of so many Android markets of dubious quality and a hotbed of malware due to the absence of Google's control.
    Even Apple's been caught napping a couple of times so what's it going to be like when Microsoft gains traction? A culture of shoot-the-messenger and slow response is not going to work in mobile.

  44. the truth by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    For every 1 iPhone, there are 6 android phones. That is all the further you need to read into what this article is seeming to imply.

  45. Re:It's beyond me why any new OS isn't virus immun by tepples · · Score: 1

    Its up to the OS designer to decide how to share things securely. There are lots of options which can be secure to do that

    Could you explain how that's done? Because as far as I can tell, Android already runs in "security boot" mode where each publisher's apps run in a separate user account and can share data only through the Intent mechanism.

  46. Droid does what iDon't: WiFi-Where by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is there an application for iOS comparable to WiFi-Where for Android? I haven't been able to find one since all the Wi-Fi utilities were pulled from the App Store when Apple decided to keep its network configuration API private.

    1. Re:Droid does what iDon't: WiFi-Where by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Is there an application for iOS comparable to WiFi-Where for Android? I haven't been able to find one since all the Wi-Fi utilities were pulled from the App Store when Apple decided to keep its network configuration API private.

      I don't know, in fact I don't even know what that is. I didn't say there weren't things that could be done on one and not the other, I'm sure you could find exclusives on both platforms.

    2. Re:Droid does what iDon't: WiFi-Where by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's impossible to create a Wi-Fi network troubleshooting application for iOS using only public APIs.

    3. Re:Droid does what iDon't: WiFi-Where by Number42 · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't you be much better off running that on a desktop OS? If you're maintaining someone else's Wi-Fi network, why don't you bring your laptop with you?

    4. Re:Droid does what iDon't: WiFi-Where by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It's impossible to create a Wi-Fi network troubleshooting application for iOS using only public APIs.

      Such a thing is going to be better served on a laptop but if you really have a problem with that - and I'm sure you'll tell me you do - then just grab a $50 Android phone for those bits and pieces, they are almost throwaway devices at this point. I use an iPhone as my primary device but I have a Nexus for anything the iPhone can't do, it's always in my bag but I barely touch the thing because uses for it are so few and far between.

  47. Droid does what iDon't: AIDE by tepples · · Score: 1

    So of course you need to have a PC of some sort

    The only PC you need for AIDE is an Android tablet; pair your keyboard and start coding. There's no way Apple will port a subset of Xcode to iPad in the foreseeable future.

    1. Re:Droid does what iDon't: AIDE by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The only PC you need for AIDE is an Android tablet; pair your keyboard and start coding.

      Unless of course your Android device is a phone (not a phablet or tablet) which it most likely is, making it a tortuous exercise. But that's neither here nor there, still the only issue is $ cost, which really doesn't appear to be a problem.

    2. Re:Droid does what iDon't: AIDE by siddesu · · Score: 0

      Actually, for many apps, you can always use Tasker or one of its free clones. How can you do what Tasker does on iOS?

    3. Re:Droid does what iDon't: AIDE by siddesu · · Score: 0

      s/for many apps/instead of writing many apps/ doh.

  48. App developers care about installed base by tepples · · Score: 1

    Application developers care about installed base, and the biggest part of the rate of change in installed base is "Share of units".

    1. Re:App developers care about installed base by sootman · · Score: 1

      No, developers (the ones who want to earn a living, at least) care about MONEY, and again, iOS still dominates here.

      "An average Android app makes 5 times less money per download than an iOS app. Even though Android has by far passed iOS in terms of global market share, the picture is not so clear-cut in terms of revenue. Despite Android's dominant market share, for many app developers, iOS is still the biggest platform."

      From
      http://venturebeat.com/2014/02...
      referencing
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/tr...

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  49. That's nice, now how about more relevant stats? by Miseph · · Score: 1

    99% of malware targeted Android. Neat, but it doesn't really mean anything.

    What percentage of mobile malware infections did Android account for? What is the infection rate for those devices? How serious have most breaches been? These are all more meaningful security metrics than "number of times targeted". In particular the rate is extremely telling: if there are, say, 100 infections per 100,000 for Android, and 85 per 100,000 for iOS, that is certainly troubling for Android, but hardly damning.

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  50. You are safe in the walled garden by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    This "99%" statistic for Android comes up every now and then, and what makes up for most of it, is the hazy third-party app repositories. If you stay in the selection of Google Play, you will mostly have your ass covered.

  51. 0.1 comes from google play by fenux · · Score: 1

    So that means about 3 new malware samples came from the official store based on their sample. Also keep in mind that the android situation was sampled by their anti malware app which is installed on the phone while the IOS thread was discovered by an external security analyser and submitted to them so there is a certain skew based on methods/platform spread that should be factored in when looking at the numbers.

  52. People are not good at selecting reliable apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And 98% of that is trojans there to steal your data. Watch what permissions you give apps. If you don't know why it wants to access your content, don't install it.

  53. Semi-Happy with iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to have some good news. If Apple ever decides to start innovating their products again instead of giving us slight variations on the iPhone over and over, it will make Apple the clear leader.

  54. Because it's physically smaller than a laptop by tepples · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't you be much better off running that on a desktop OS?

    If I'm contributing to a collaborative database of hotspots, it's far more convenient to log seen SSIDs and their locations with a 4" device than with a 11-17" device. I can put the former in my pocket and hop on my bike; I'd have to secure the latter to the rear rack somehow.

    If you're maintaining someone else's Wi-Fi network, why don't you bring your laptop with you?

    Why should it require a laptop? That would mean someone who gets called to help troubleshoot the wireless network of a friend or relative relative in town would have to 1. buy a laptop if he doesn't already own one, and 2. carry it there.

    1. Re:Because it's physically smaller than a laptop by Number42 · · Score: 0

      Why should it require a laptop?

      I thought the applications like that would benefit from the interface options and processing power a laptop has, but then again, I don't have much experience with wireless network maintenance.

      Laptops are getting very small and thin these days, and are pretty convenient to carry, even if you had one in a backpack while riding a bike (I'm citing my MacBook Air as evidence, but a Chromebook with a light Linux distro installed would probably be comparable in terms of portability).

      Also, using a smartphone as a Wi-Fi diagnostics tool is pretty niche. iOS is enough for me. The security seems solid (judging by the whitepaper), it has all the basic functionalities a smartphone needs, the App Store, while not offering the wide library Android has, covers the same bases (e.g. while the iOS App Store has one or a few (hopefully) good app(s) for function X, Android has a lot of them, but everyone uses a few or one because the rest aren't as good), iPhones have good build quality (my 4S has been dropped and accidentally flung towards walls a lot and survived with only a few cosmetic scratches), and the keyboard feels less laggy than the keyboards I've used on Android phones. For the average user, it seems more like a matter of the amount of money they have to spare.

  55. Recouping startup costs by tepples · · Score: 1

    An average Android app makes 5 times less money per download than an iOS app.

    I can think of two possibilities for why Android apps are more likely to be $0. One was an expectation of free apps arising from early attempts to reach Android Market (now Google Play Store) users in countries where Google had not yet deployed Checkout (now Wallet). Another is that perhaps fewer small-time Android developers feel the need to recoup the minuscule costs of starting out with Android development, compared to iOS which costs $650 (if your primary computer happens to be something other than a Mac) plus $99 per year. True, this cost is a rounding error to a full-time developer at an established company, but it isn't to a hobbyist.

  56. Ads by tepples · · Score: 1

    Money per download isn't the whole story. As the Forbes article points out: "there is much work to be done to increase monetization of free apps. And that may be the next growth opportunity for any developer as it presents an opportunity that is substantially larger than the existing one." While trying to project their brands in countries whose Android Market had no payment method, Android application developers learned to use other revenue sources such as advertising. Are there statistics on paid downloads plus ads for Android compared to paid downloads plus ads for iOS?

  57. Niches that Apple has chosen not to serve by tepples · · Score: 1

    Also, using a smartphone as a Wi-Fi diagnostics tool is pretty niche.

    It's a niche that Apple has made a business decision not to serve, and it's not the only such niche.

    it has all the basic functionalities a smartphone needs

    Until your functionality needs end up growing to encompassing one of the forbidden categories.

    1. Re:Niches that Apple has chosen not to serve by Number42 · · Score: 0

      Until your functionality needs end up growing to encompassing one of the forbidden categories.

      Let's see here...

      I don't play a lot of games on iOS, and the ones I do play are extremely casual.

      Card Counting: Why would any corporation in their right mind allow applications to do what is technically illegal in many states?

      I don't see the point of programming on a smartphone.

      I find the default UI of iOS quite functional, well-designed and good looking.

      I don't maintain networks.

      I don't browse a lot of websites outside of discussion boards or other places which are mostly text and CSS, at least on my mobile device.

      A month seems like a reasonable minimum period for a subscription.

      I prefer swiping to tapping buttons to change pages on a book displayed on a touchscreen.

      Even as a theist, I don't support forceful proselytization.

      Apple is a bit crazy about privacy and encryption.

      In short, none of these look like things I'd do on a mobile device. I'm just speaking from the average consumer's point of view.

  58. Remaining a "consumer" by tepples · · Score: 1
    Thank you for taking the time to look through that list.

    I don't see the point of programming on a smartphone.

    That item is probably more relevant to the iPad than to the iPhone.

    A month seems like a reasonable minimum period for a subscription.

    If a Blockbuster store (back when it still existed) couldn't offer movies and console games for rental for periods shorter than a month, how could it keep enough stock in front of customers to stay in business?

    forceful proselytization

    I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by forceful.

    In short, none of these look like things I'd do on a mobile device.

    From the page: "Fans of these iProducts defend Apple's practices, claiming that almost nobody demands the functionality that the Guidelines ban. Even if this is true of each individual item, there are still a lot of people who want one or more items on the list as a whole." Someone might start by choosing iOS, thinking the same way you do, and then his needs grow to include forbidden functionality. That would require buying an Android tablet and a tethering plan to connect the Android tablet to the Internet.

    I'm just speaking from the average consumer's point of view.

    The problem here is the word "consumer". If a device is capable only of "consumption", or viewing works created by others, it encourages people to remain "consumers" as opposed to hobbyist authors.

    1. Re:Remaining a "consumer" by Number42 · · Score: 0

      I don't have any ideas for content creation on smartphones/tablets, and the ideas I do have would be much better implemented on a desktop or server. I'm perfectly fine with remaining a consumer using a well-made, more power/system resources-efficient, sturdy and nice-looking device in the mobile market.

    2. Re:Remaining a "consumer" by tepples · · Score: 1

      I've seen someone on a city bus using a paint program on an iPad, but it involved a lot of zooming in and out.

      The problem comes when a "mobile device" whose software is best suited for viewing others' works becomes the only computing device to which someone has ready access. For example, a K-12 student might be limited to only a few minutes a day on the family PC to do things that the tablet that she received as a gift from a relative won't let her do. See, for example, betterunixthanunix's comment.

  59. The iOS Developer Program costs $99/yr by tepples · · Score: 1

    Apple requires anyone who wants to run self-signed software on an iPod touch, iPhone, or iPad to pay a recurring fee of $99 per year for the iOS Developer Program.