You know how many people will use code if it is patent encumbered? Again, zero. Nobody wants that shit. It's the kiss of death. Hell, most companies won't even touch code under the GPL because it isn't "free" enough. They only want BSD, MIT, or Apache license so they can take everything, redistribute it as their own, and never give anything back. Just like Apple.
Bwahahaha. Oh, you actually believe nobody is using MP3s and that Apple has never sold an iPhone.
Yes that is what everybody but yourself is saying. Algorithms, mathematical formulae, are not patentable for a very good reason. If we are not able to sell phones with rounded corners because a certain fruit has a monopoly then that sucks for consumers but the world goes on. If somebody is able to block research that will further the scientific developments of mankind then this is a bad thing.
Software patents are recognised as wrong in every single country in the world except for the US. Algorithms as wrong the whole world over.
Phillip.
Yeah, that's why Apple has won against Samsung over the "rubber-band" patent in how many countries now? Stop with that meme, it's clearly false.
"So what you are saying is that a guy who pours significant amounts of time into developing an algorithm, making it space and time efficient, modelling it to resolve concurrency issues, etc... should not get patent protection"
We can stop right here and answer: Correct. No patent protection.
And no more GPL "violations" either. Finally software will be truly free.
You know little if anything about how Android operates, then, if that's the implication you got. Android OS patches like the one required to patch out the UI bouncy scroll functionality could be submitted through the android store Google Play as a mandatory update. I made no such implication that a recall was necessary to do anything I said. Your own lack of familiarity with the topic brought you to that conclusion, and that is hardly my fault.
So how do you update the unsold (and this judgement is about the unsold devices) sitting turned off in their packaging? Do you want to hand every buyer a flier asking them to make their purchase legit by updating their phone?
But hey, at least that means these phones will be very special Androids - there will actually be an update.
Basically this company wants to be part of the Android group, but at the same time, build a competitor to Google's interests in the Android platform... using a forked version of Android. So Google is basically saying "if you want to be dicks and go against our interests, we're going to kick you out of our club."
"But we are still going to count any machines you sell towards our marketshare."
this is cool:
NASA/Ames Human Centered System Lab - 737NG full scale cockpit simulator developed by LFS Technologies. FlightGear provides visuals for four large screen wrap around displays, improved turbo-fan math models, detailed fuel system models, and extendable network interface to cockpit displays and electronics.
You.. you do realize who NASA is?;)
and FAA:
ATC Flight Simulator Company builds FAA approved flight simulators, that use FlightGear for the visuals.
- although from looking at their web page it's an older version of Flight Gear but impressive multi-simulator setups.
As for X-Plane, it's a great simulator.
The X-Plane guy is very cool.
The patent troll can go to...
You know what reading this makes me sure of? That Flight Gear's visuals must be nice. But why don't they use it for the simulation of flight?
On the basis of the Micro-USB interface, the companies have agreed to develop a common specification in order to allow for full compatibility of chargers and mobile phones. These specifications have been translated in European standards.
N.B.: The agreement allows for the use of an adaptor.
Google and Motorolla would enforce this patent on Apple if they happened to own it. They already enforced another equally trivial patent on push email, so that Apple devices can't use it in Germany.
Except that Google and Motorola have only started to enforce their patents against Apple after Apple started to sue every Android manufacturer in sight.
Errm, are you claiming Apple can't see well? Because the only one they sued at the time was HTC. Apart from their countersuit against Nokia - another failing phone maker who sued Apple first.
And until now the only other Android maker they can see is Samsung. Which leaves how many dozen Android manufacturers unsued?
Actually, the user interface element in question did exist before Apple "invented" it, it's just that it hadn't been used on touchscreen phones or tablets yet because they didn't actually exist (and neither did the technology required to make them). In fact, all of the iPhone and iPod user interface elements Apple has patents on were originally invented by someone else.
Interesting that you don't actually cite the prior art - and that you claim Apple invented the touchscreen phone.
Where did "selling Android Apps" enter the picture? Turns out the patent has nothing to do with "things X-Plane has done for decades". Couldn't the editors have checked that?
It enters into the picture because x-Plain is using a standard Android API developed by Google and shipped with Android to check if the user bought the package before allowing it to be used.
So X-Plane has been an Android App for decades. Are you one of the editors?
How could you even come to such an amazingly inept conclusion? He was saying the judge could have ordered the feature be patched out through a software update like all other system software updates that don't need physical access to the device. A mass recall over a removable UI feature is like detonating a nuclear device to wipe out an ant hill. Golly gee wiz, you Apple people...
So instad of ordering a sales stop (not a recall as the article claims), he should have ordered a recall. Yeah, that makes sense.
Nobody is going to bother to try to track down the users. Technically, though, those users really would be violating the patent every time they scroll, and there's no other party to indemnify them.
That may be the case in the US - but it certainly isn't in Germany. Private, non-commercial use of a patent is exempt.
Where did "selling Android Apps" enter the picture? Turns out the patent has nothing to do with "things X-Plane has done for decades". Couldn't the editors have checked that?
Taking the phones and tablets out of people's hands.
Only if they happen to stand in the store, holding it in hand before buying it while Motorola comes to take back unsold items - the article is wrong, there currently is no recall.
The judge probably has no clue the "stolen" feature copied from Apple can be disabled with a software update.
You are telling me that Motorola could have avoided the decision long before the judge began deliberation by simply updating the software? And that that inaction makes Motorola's violation of the patent less of an issue?
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Other things that are as fast as Cray 2 supercomputer - about a million ancient PCs... but putting Apple in the title suddenly makes this news.
No, people claiming the iPad can't be used for content creation does. At least we now know it can't be computing power they are complaining about.
And the thinner/lighter formula has been just that.
Except 'the new ipad' where it was thicker and heavier.
IOW, Apple is bad for making their devices thinner - unless they make them thicker, then that's evil.
You know how many people will use code if it is patent encumbered? Again, zero. Nobody wants that shit. It's the kiss of death. Hell, most companies won't even touch code under the GPL because it isn't "free" enough. They only want BSD, MIT, or Apache license so they can take everything, redistribute it as their own, and never give anything back. Just like Apple.
Bwahahaha. Oh, you actually believe nobody is using MP3s and that Apple has never sold an iPhone.
Yes that is what everybody but yourself is saying. Algorithms, mathematical formulae, are not patentable for a very good reason. If we are not able to sell phones with rounded corners because a certain fruit has a monopoly then that sucks for consumers but the world goes on. If somebody is able to block research that will further the scientific developments of mankind then this is a bad thing.
Software patents are recognised as wrong in every single country in the world except for the US. Algorithms as wrong the whole world over.
Phillip.
Yeah, that's why Apple has won against Samsung over the "rubber-band" patent in how many countries now? Stop with that meme, it's clearly false.
"So what you are saying is that a guy who pours significant amounts of time into developing an algorithm, making it space and time efficient, modelling it to resolve concurrency issues, etc... should not get patent protection"
We can stop right here and answer: Correct. No patent protection.
And no more GPL "violations" either. Finally software will be truly free.
You know little if anything about how Android operates, then, if that's the implication you got. Android OS patches like the one required to patch out the UI bouncy scroll functionality could be submitted through the android store Google Play as a mandatory update. I made no such implication that a recall was necessary to do anything I said. Your own lack of familiarity with the topic brought you to that conclusion, and that is hardly my fault.
So how do you update the unsold (and this judgement is about the unsold devices) sitting turned off in their packaging? Do you want to hand every buyer a flier asking them to make their purchase legit by updating their phone?
But hey, at least that means these phones will be very special Androids - there will actually be an update.
That's not even remotely what I said.
Maybe, but that's what you said means. It's not my fault you didn't think it through.
This is all due to Android's openness.
Basically this company wants to be part of the Android group, but at the same time, build a competitor to Google's interests in the Android platform... using a forked version of Android. So Google is basically saying "if you want to be dicks and go against our interests, we're going to kick you out of our club."
"But we are still going to count any machines you sell towards our marketshare."
sucks apple fanboi dick... my samsung s3 has 200 hors standby...
I'm not quite sure what your point is - the iPhone 5 has a quote "Standby time: Up to 225 hours".
Err.. my S3 battery lasts TWO WEEKS on standby.
Is there a reason not to use it once for two weeks except for waiting for incoming calls?
The ATT Iphone 4s is not a 4g phone... Never was and never will be... No matter how hard you wish upon an apple star.
Which is probably why he put the "4G" in scare quotes, you competent reader.
Flight Gear, FAA, check.
Check out their Professional and Institutional Page: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Professional_and_educational_FlightGear_users
this is cool: NASA/Ames Human Centered System Lab - 737NG full scale cockpit simulator developed by LFS Technologies. FlightGear provides visuals for four large screen wrap around displays, improved turbo-fan math models, detailed fuel system models, and extendable network interface to cockpit displays and electronics.
You.. you do realize who NASA is? ;)
and FAA: ATC Flight Simulator Company builds FAA approved flight simulators, that use FlightGear for the visuals. - although from looking at their web page it's an older version of Flight Gear but impressive multi-simulator setups.
As for X-Plane, it's a great simulator. The X-Plane guy is very cool. The patent troll can go to...
You know what reading this makes me sure of? That Flight Gear's visuals must be nice. But why don't they use it for the simulation of flight?
Which is the agreed common interface?
On the basis of the Micro-USB interface, the companies have agreed to develop a common specification in order to allow for full compatibility of chargers and mobile phones. These specifications have been translated in European standards.
N.B.: The agreement allows for the use of an adaptor.
The Google one is a 404, the second requires me to enable third party cookies. No thanks.
They will move all stock to stores just out side the german borders in France+Poland+Chek
Are you calling for Germans to invade these countries?
Google and Motorolla would enforce this patent on Apple if they happened to own it. They already enforced another equally trivial patent on push email, so that Apple devices can't use it in Germany.
Except that Google and Motorola have only started to enforce their patents against Apple after Apple started to sue every Android manufacturer in sight.
Errm, are you claiming Apple can't see well? Because the only one they sued at the time was HTC. Apart from their countersuit against Nokia - another failing phone maker who sued Apple first. And until now the only other Android maker they can see is Samsung. Which leaves how many dozen Android manufacturers unsued?
Actually, the user interface element in question did exist before Apple "invented" it, it's just that it hadn't been used on touchscreen phones or tablets yet because they didn't actually exist (and neither did the technology required to make them). In fact, all of the iPhone and iPod user interface elements Apple has patents on were originally invented by someone else.
Interesting that you don't actually cite the prior art - and that you claim Apple invented the touchscreen phone.
Where did "selling Android Apps" enter the picture? Turns out the patent has nothing to do with "things X-Plane has done for decades". Couldn't the editors have checked that?
It enters into the picture because x-Plain is using a standard Android API developed by Google and shipped with Android to check if the user bought the package before allowing it to be used.
So X-Plane has been an Android App for decades. Are you one of the editors?
How could you even come to such an amazingly inept conclusion? He was saying the judge could have ordered the feature be patched out through a software update like all other system software updates that don't need physical access to the device. A mass recall over a removable UI feature is like detonating a nuclear device to wipe out an ant hill. Golly gee wiz, you Apple people...
So instad of ordering a sales stop (not a recall as the article claims), he should have ordered a recall. Yeah, that makes sense.
We weren't talking about iTunes.
Exactly - that's why I said what I said.
Nobody is going to bother to try to track down the users. Technically, though, those users really would be violating the patent every time they scroll, and there's no other party to indemnify them.
That may be the case in the US - but it certainly isn't in Germany. Private, non-commercial use of a patent is exempt.
Where did "selling Android Apps" enter the picture? Turns out the patent has nothing to do with "things X-Plane has done for decades". Couldn't the editors have checked that?
Owning one would not be a crime.
Owning one is punishment enough.
Taking the phones and tablets out of people's hands.
Only if they happen to stand in the store, holding it in hand before buying it while Motorola comes to take back unsold items - the article is wrong, there currently is no recall.
The judge probably has no clue the "stolen" feature copied from Apple can be disabled with a software update.
You are telling me that Motorola could have avoided the decision long before the judge began deliberation by simply updating the software? And that that inaction makes Motorola's violation of the patent less of an issue?