Yes, I included that quote. If Samsung's solution isn't lesser than Apple's the only possibilities that remain are that it is equal or that it is superior. It seems fair to paraphrase that as "as good" where "almost as good" run in direct contrast to the quote, almost as good would in fact be a lesser solution.
Or it is not better, just more complicated to use - which is what is said in TFA but not in TFS. Whoa, that must be a first for Slashdot.
While Apple's technology is a "very nice invention," the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung's lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said.
(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent
so this:
" If you do it and dont patent it doesn't count as prior art."
is just wrong.
Unless of course they did it in a foreign country and didn't patent. See Johann Philipp Reis.
My point is simply, you can design a plug that is compatible with micro USB and still add all the features of the dock connector.
So why don't you show us that this is possible - because so far you have shown us " a plug that is compatible with micro USB" but only does one thing in addition - but never at the same time. And that is my point - that you don't have one.
With iPhones, you need an adapter that either converts USB to micro USB or an adapter that converts their POS connector to micro USB. With Samsung, as the example, you don't need anything special to use micro USB. Lets face it, Apple can (and my personal belief is should) switch over to a micro USB compatible plug.
Yeah, nothing special but the special adapter that turns USB into something that is neither USB nor can do as much as the Dock Connector.
Your statement changes nothing. The phone is still completely compatible with microUSB. It just gives you additional functionality, without breaking compatibility.
And the iPhone is also "completely compatible" with micro-USB - as well as hundreds of iDevice peripherals that use the Dock connector.
Ok, I can let you know right away. Many phones have that today, including phones as old as Samsung Galaxy S2. MHL is a wannabe-standard for exactly this, supported by a handful manufacturers (except Apple and a lot others). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
I know from personal use that Samsung has analog from the micro USB. Cardock with charging passthrough and 3.5mm audio for about $50. So, it can obviously be done and for a reasonable price.
"There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of." - this is not standard micro-USB.
William Ewing (Columbia Univ), back in the '50s, said that he had evidence of a 60-year freeze/thaw cycle for the Arctic Sea.
Evaporation from an ice-free Arctic Sea fed snow falls on Siberia, Canada and Greenland resulting in glaciers sending floes into the Arctic Sea.
As the Sea got covered up the evaporation slowed and so did the glaciers.
Rinse and repeat.
Satellite data from the SMMR and SSM/I instruments have been combined with earlier observations from ice charts and other sources to yield a time series of Arctic ice extent from the early 1900s onward. While the pre-satellite records are not as reliable, their trends are in good general agreement with the satellite record and indicate that Arctic sea ice extent has been declining since at least the early 1950s.
Samsung and Apple marketing are different. Apple is marketing as the elite fashion accessory and look just like all those other elite fashion accessory it is produced in a sweat shop to further bloat already bloated profits, disgusting.
When you're out their on the hunt, when you're out there to teach a new reality, you target the biggest for a reason and once you've taken them down, guess what, you target the new biggest.
Interesting that you don't tell us what Samsung markets itself as - especially how their marketing would make their labour practices okay. Labour practices that also include forced internship labour.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/alert-cve-2012-4681-1835715.html It effects Java 6 u34 and below but the impact is not as severe. I believe malicious code can still change the value of private fields but the Java 6 version of the sandbox is implemented differently, so the list of permissions can't be replaced with "AllPermissions"
According to the risk matrix at the bottom of the page, the problem of vulnerability under Java 6 u34 and below is identified as CVE-2012-0547 - which is exactly what Apple's fix fixes as said in TFS. IOW TFA is still uninformed at best.
There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of.
Virtually every smart phone these days sold has a micro usb port.
iPhones and iPads are not phones or tablets. They are purely fashion statements.
No one would buy them otherwise.
all other manufacturers agreed to standardize on microusb some 5 years ago(and it's finally starting to be used on pretty much all, non-apple, devices now).
And as you have been told a hundred times now, nobody uses micro-USB for the things the Apple Dock Connector is used for - apart from hooking up USB peripherals and charging. Actually, the few peripherals for Android that try to be like iDevice peripherals use Bluetooth, not USB.
No reason to need a native app for pins on a map.
The only reason to make it a native app is to get the exposure from the App Store, which is the exact reason apps like this get denied.
Actually, having the app denied is probably the best thing that ever happened to the project, because that way they get a thousand times the public exposure they'd get from just the app on the App Store. We certainly wouldn't be talking about it now, just like Slashdot has never mentioned them before.
Come to think of it - where is the proof that the app wasn't denied to give it that exposure?
Isn't it odd that now when Samsung gets attacked these heartwarming stories pop up, but when Foxconn (or rather Apple) was attacked for better working conditions, there was silence.
I wouldn't know about that. I did however think it was interesting that this story gets so much exposure at about the same time as Apple is attacking Samsung in a patent war.
And I find it odd that the lamestream media has suppressed any reports on Samsungs wrongdoings for so long. So boo-hoo-hoo.
"Isn't it odd that now when Samsung gets attacked these heartwarming stories pop up, but when Foxconn (or rather Apple) was attacked for better working conditions, there was silence."
The guys and gals at Foxconn were killing themselves because of the working conditions. I don't think there is a comparison.
Apart from the fact that they weren't - Samsung does the worker killing themselves.
even in my company 12 hour shifts are common, in the hearland of the USA... boo who for the Asians?
I worked construction for a few summers after high school -- 12 hour shifts weren't uncommon (on my feet the whole time), and I took all the overtime I could get, sometimes putting in 80 hours or more of overtime a month (six 10 hour days/week), If I didn't have to drive up to 90 minutes each way to the job site on the other side of the state, I probably would have put in more overtime. When I was lucky, I'd get to drive an escort vehicle for a wide-load truck on my way to or from the job site so I'd rack up a couple hours of work while driving to work).
It was hard work, but I still found time to party with friends on the weekends, and the work paid most of my first two years of college.
Isn't it odd that now when Samsung gets attacked these heartwarming stories pop up, but when Foxconn (or rather Apple) was attacked for better working conditions, there was silence.
Just because Google stored collected data doesn't mean these cars need to - so where is the problem?
Even if they did store that data over a long time, it would only be stored inside your car, so anyone who wanted access would have to get inside the car, by force or by law.
Copyrights shouldn't last too long because there's no need for them to last long. All you want is the minimal amount and duration of protection that yields the incentive for authors to create and publish the greatest quantity of copyrightable works which they otherwise wouldn't.
Well, thanks for admiting that for you artists are slave workers that should work their asses off to produce the greatest amount of enjoyment for you.
If that's true, plug your ipod into your computer and navigate to its flash drive and re-arrange the files... oh wait.. you can't? Oh that's right, they store your entire media collection in a giant encrypted file so you can't move it from device to device, or access it in any other meaningful way.
False. Each title is stored as single file - and there are programs to get any of them of that iPod.
No, it's iTunes. When I buy music through means other than iTunes (CDs), some of those labels are RIAA members too, but they have done nothing to prevent me from transferring the CDs.
Apart from adding copy protection to them - how soon we forget (when we want to blame Apple).
Well, given how little copyright related economic clue there is to most copyrightable works, and how short lived it usually is if there is any at all, relying on copyrights to provide for one's heirs is about as irresponsible as relying on a big box full of lottery tickets to provide for them instead.
We really should not encourage this. It's bad for the families of authors, and it's bad for the rest of society.
Wait, what? Because most copyrightable work is short lived, all copyrights shouldn't last long?
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Yes, I included that quote. If Samsung's solution isn't lesser than Apple's the only possibilities that remain are that it is equal or that it is superior. It seems fair to paraphrase that as "as good" where "almost as good" run in direct contrast to the quote, almost as good would in fact be a lesser solution.
Or it is not better, just more complicated to use - which is what is said in TFA but not in TFS. Whoa, that must be a first for Slashdot.
While Apple's technology is a "very nice invention," the technique used in Android differs from the iOS solution, argued Bas Berghuis van Woortman, one of Samsung's lawyers. Because the Android based method is more hierarchical the system is more complex and therefore harder for developers to use, he said.
I just found this post today:
AT&T (yeah, them) is the one that invented a grid of colorful icons, half a decade before Apple.
First of all: neither Apple nor AT&T "invented" "a grid of colorful icons"
Second: Apple doesn't claim to have "invented" "a grid of colorful icons"
Third: AT&T's icons don't look like Apple's icons, while Samsung's look like Apple's.
You are the one that needs the lesson: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_102.htm
A person shall be entitled to a patent unless -
(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent
so this: " If you do it and dont patent it doesn't count as prior art." is just wrong.
Unless of course they did it in a foreign country and didn't patent. See Johann Philipp Reis.
My point is simply, you can design a plug that is compatible with micro USB and still add all the features of the dock connector.
So why don't you show us that this is possible - because so far you have shown us " a plug that is compatible with micro USB" but only does one thing in addition - but never at the same time. And that is my point - that you don't have one.
With iPhones, you need an adapter that either converts USB to micro USB or an adapter that converts their POS connector to micro USB. With Samsung, as the example, you don't need anything special to use micro USB. Lets face it, Apple can (and my personal belief is should) switch over to a micro USB compatible plug.
Yeah, nothing special but the special adapter that turns USB into something that is neither USB nor can do as much as the Dock Connector.
Your statement changes nothing. The phone is still completely compatible with microUSB. It just gives you additional functionality, without breaking compatibility.
And the iPhone is also "completely compatible" with micro-USB - as well as hundreds of iDevice peripherals that use the Dock connector.
Ok, I can let you know right away. Many phones have that today, including phones as old as Samsung Galaxy S2. MHL is a wannabe-standard for exactly this, supported by a handful manufacturers (except Apple and a lot others). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
FTFY
I know from personal use that Samsung has analog from the micro USB. Cardock with charging passthrough and 3.5mm audio for about $50. So, it can obviously be done and for a reasonable price.
"There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of." - this is not standard micro-USB.
William Ewing (Columbia Univ), back in the '50s, said that he had evidence of a 60-year freeze/thaw cycle for the Arctic Sea. Evaporation from an ice-free Arctic Sea fed snow falls on Siberia, Canada and Greenland resulting in glaciers sending floes into the Arctic Sea. As the Sea got covered up the evaporation slowed and so did the glaciers. Rinse and repeat.
Well, that would mean there should have been as little ice when he said that as there is now. http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
Satellite data from the SMMR and SSM/I instruments have been combined with earlier observations from ice charts and other sources to yield a time series of Arctic ice extent from the early 1900s onward. While the pre-satellite records are not as reliable, their trends are in good general agreement with the satellite record and indicate that Arctic sea ice extent has been declining since at least the early 1950s.
Next!
Got a citation?
For the EU saying Apple doesn't comply? No of course not.
Unfortunately, they were not asked to work for Foxconn. They were forced to work at Foxconn.
So it would have been okay if they had been forced to work elsewhere? Like HEG, the Samsung supplier http://chinalaborwatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/samsung8-271.pdf
Samsung and Apple marketing are different. Apple is marketing as the elite fashion accessory and look just like all those other elite fashion accessory it is produced in a sweat shop to further bloat already bloated profits, disgusting.
When you're out their on the hunt, when you're out there to teach a new reality, you target the biggest for a reason and once you've taken them down, guess what, you target the new biggest.
Interesting that you don't tell us what Samsung markets itself as - especially how their marketing would make their labour practices okay. Labour practices that also include forced internship labour.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/alert-cve-2012-4681-1835715.html It effects Java 6 u34 and below but the impact is not as severe. I believe malicious code can still change the value of private fields but the Java 6 version of the sandbox is implemented differently, so the list of permissions can't be replaced with "AllPermissions"
According to the risk matrix at the bottom of the page, the problem of vulnerability under Java 6 u34 and below is identified as CVE-2012-0547 - which is exactly what Apple's fix fixes as said in TFS. IOW TFA is still uninformed at best.
There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of. Virtually every smart phone these days sold has a micro usb port.
iPhones and iPads are not phones or tablets. They are purely fashion statements. No one would buy them otherwise.
all other manufacturers agreed to standardize on microusb some 5 years ago(and it's finally starting to be used on pretty much all, non-apple, devices now).
And as you have been told a hundred times now, nobody uses micro-USB for the things the Apple Dock Connector is used for - apart from hooking up USB peripherals and charging. Actually, the few peripherals for Android that try to be like iDevice peripherals use Bluetooth, not USB.
Just get a developers account and sell access to Apple beta software - people will have to give you their UDID and pay you money for it.
No reason to need a native app for pins on a map. The only reason to make it a native app is to get the exposure from the App Store, which is the exact reason apps like this get denied.
Actually, having the app denied is probably the best thing that ever happened to the project, because that way they get a thousand times the public exposure they'd get from just the app on the App Store. We certainly wouldn't be talking about it now, just like Slashdot has never mentioned them before.
Come to think of it - where is the proof that the app wasn't denied to give it that exposure?
I wouldn't know about that. I did however think it was interesting that this story gets so much exposure at about the same time as Apple is attacking Samsung in a patent war.
And I find it odd that the lamestream media has suppressed any reports on Samsungs wrongdoings for so long. So boo-hoo-hoo.
"Isn't it odd that now when Samsung gets attacked these heartwarming stories pop up, but when Foxconn (or rather Apple) was attacked for better working conditions, there was silence." The guys and gals at Foxconn were killing themselves because of the working conditions. I don't think there is a comparison.
Apart from the fact that they weren't - Samsung does the worker killing themselves.
even in my company 12 hour shifts are common, in the hearland of the USA ... boo who for the Asians?
I worked construction for a few summers after high school -- 12 hour shifts weren't uncommon (on my feet the whole time), and I took all the overtime I could get, sometimes putting in 80 hours or more of overtime a month (six 10 hour days/week), If I didn't have to drive up to 90 minutes each way to the job site on the other side of the state, I probably would have put in more overtime. When I was lucky, I'd get to drive an escort vehicle for a wide-load truck on my way to or from the job site so I'd rack up a couple hours of work while driving to work).
It was hard work, but I still found time to party with friends on the weekends, and the work paid most of my first two years of college.
Isn't it odd that now when Samsung gets attacked these heartwarming stories pop up, but when Foxconn (or rather Apple) was attacked for better working conditions, there was silence.
Even if they did store that data over a long time, it would only be stored inside your car, so anyone who wanted access would have to get inside the car, by force or by law.
Copyrights shouldn't last too long because there's no need for them to last long. All you want is the minimal amount and duration of protection that yields the incentive for authors to create and publish the greatest quantity of copyrightable works which they otherwise wouldn't.
Well, thanks for admiting that for you artists are slave workers that should work their asses off to produce the greatest amount of enjoyment for you.
If that's true, plug your ipod into your computer and navigate to its flash drive and re-arrange the files... oh wait.. you can't? Oh that's right, they store your entire media collection in a giant encrypted file so you can't move it from device to device, or access it in any other meaningful way.
False. Each title is stored as single file - and there are programs to get any of them of that iPod.
No, it's iTunes. When I buy music through means other than iTunes (CDs), some of those labels are RIAA members too, but they have done nothing to prevent me from transferring the CDs.
Apart from adding copy protection to them - how soon we forget (when we want to blame Apple).
Copyright serves various purposes, not just to protect music.
Many Slashdoters seem to forget: without copyright, the GPL wouldn't be worth the bits it is written with.
Well, given how little copyright related economic clue there is to most copyrightable works, and how short lived it usually is if there is any at all, relying on copyrights to provide for one's heirs is about as irresponsible as relying on a big box full of lottery tickets to provide for them instead.
We really should not encourage this. It's bad for the families of authors, and it's bad for the rest of society.
Wait, what? Because most copyrightable work is short lived, all copyrights shouldn't last long?