I love how slashdot completely ignores the fact that the poster's copy is illegal, and the retailer should be (and probably will be) fined for selling it early.
Now that you guys have had a couple days to get excited about what Bert McComas had to say about the P4 clock throttling itself, I thought I would throw in my two cents. First off, here is the statement that is stirring the pot so well.
Intel's Thermal Design Guide has revealed that the absolute maximum power dissipation of the 1.5GHz P4 is actually 72.9 watts. This is 33% higher than the published system design specification, and essentially identical to the 1.33 GHz Athlon. In order to prevent the CPU from exceeding 54.7 watt, thermal throttling is used. If performance critical applications drive CPU power above its artificially low 54.7 watt limit, the CPU is halted with a 50% duty cycle (alternating 2 microseconds on; 2 microseconds off) until it cools down. This effectively turns your 1.5GHz processor into a 750MHz processor - just at the moment you demand peak performance. On the other hand, you will probably still be able to check your email at 1.5GHz.
While I don't know Bert, I have had the pleasure of meeting him and you have seen his links here on the [H] many times. On this occasion I think Bert has been sucking the crack pipe a bit too hard or either must have been in a terrible auto accident and had his cranium lodged in his rectal cavity and did not notice before he wrote the above statement.
We have been running an over-volted overclocked Pentium4 with the factory heatsink installed now for some time. It has been running here beside my desk folding proteins for Stanford University now for a solid month and has stayed at 100% CPU utilization. I track its performance and I can assure you that it has not ever slipped into the throttling that Bert speaks about above. If Bert's apps are running at 50%, it is because he does not have the sense to put a heatsink on the CPU or either he is operating his P4 system in Hell. Bert is taking an Intel safety device and demonizing the P4 with it. Here is what Intel PR George Alfs had to say about Bert's statements.
Hi Kyle,
You can run benchmarks all day on a Pentium(R) 4 processor with the benchmarks unaffected by the thermal protection circuitry. The key is to have a robust heat sink and thermal solution. With the heat sink setup we designed for Pentium 4 processor systems, I have yet to see thermal protection kick in.
George.
I have to fully agree with George's statements and have a few things to add. Also, I think that "robust" need not be in his statement.
What Bert may not know is that some mainboards have an adjustment in the BIOS that you can set yourself with the temperature that you want throttle to. (On our systems we have left it at default and never messed with the settings on the particular board that is Folding.) Yes, YOU can turn this on and off and fully control it on some mainboards. If you want a shield in between you and a burned up processor, set it low; if you want to forego the safety feature, set the temp high. I know that MANY of you wished that AMD had the courtesy to include a feature such as this instead of leaving their Athlon and Duron CPUs totally unprotected.
We have never seen nor heard of the CPU throttling being active on any person's CPU and certainly have not experienced it ourselves (unless we FORCED it to happen) under conditions more strenuous than 99.9% of the P4s in the field will ever encounter. I do not suggest that DIYers or hobbyist go the P4 route if they want to buy a system for themselves, but bashing it on this front is simply bad journalism and transparent to many people.
We here at the [H] have a lot of respect for Bert McComas' work and think he should step back up to the plate and possibly rephrase the statements in regards to this issue. Bert, we love you man, but you were just totally out to show Intel in a bad light this time, or were simply not thinking through the issue properly because you are being misleading and it looks to us as if you were trying to do it purposefully.
I was surfing around, and came across this, www.xanadu.net They claim to have been using "hypertext" since the early 60's. Has anyone else heard of this?
Well, IIRC, the celeron series,and most of the modern pentiums have their Multiplier locked, so that you cant adjust that. Thats why it was a big deal that some of the Duron (i think) chips were shipped without the multiplier locked.
So they can usually only adjust the voltage, and FSB.
I didnt notice them mentioning the voltage at all in the article. Did i just miss it?
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Any true Fan of Serial Experiments Lain needs to be heading to Baltimore Maryland Aug 4-6 this year. The anime convention, Otakon. This year, "guests of honor, will be Mr. Yoshitoshi ABe and Mr. Yasuyuki Ueda. Mr. ABe would best be known to us in the US as the character designer for serial experiments lain. Joining him will be Mr. Yasuyuki Ueda of production 2nd, the creator of lain. The pair are currently working on a new series together, and hope to have a preview ready by O2K."
Also on the same note, The band Boa will be at the convention. That is the group that does the amazing opening song to lain.
I have been a fan of anime for years now. I've seen countless shows, many great, many really bad. What is the worst thing are the forgotten anime shows. There are many anime shows that no one, not even the so-called "Serious" Otaku will ever see. Wonderful shows like Marmalade boy, Kodomo No Omocha, and other shows of the same genre. Companies like ADV and Manga will only bring over the Big name shows that they think will make gobs of money. They are starting to hit the lesser known shows, but there are some that the american people will Never see. Many shows keep getting forgotten about, and unfortuanly for me, many are shojou anime. So called Girlish anime. I personally love the stuff, even though im male. I like the story lines, and plots of the shows. And more than that, there are shows already released in the US that many people forget about. Oh My Goddess is a great example. Everyone who sees it, loves it, but no one watches it anymore. People will skip over the smaller, lesser known shows to get only the bigger names, Like lain, and ranma, and eva. Dont get me wrong, im not against those shows, but next time your at the store, dont just go get something everyone is watching, get something that sounds more interesting. you might get a great show, or it might not be. but life is like that. Sorry for the ramblings of a crazy kid:) PS, for good, non-US released shows, goto the The Fansub Database for a list of fansubbers.
This being my final year of high school, we were allowed to do senior projects, basically, dedicate a whole year to do anything we want. And I decided to teach myself perl, and create a website keeping track of computer issues. It's a very simple setup, and not hard to follow. Its just a few perl scripts, tying into a simple database (nothing as complicated as mysql, or anything like that, its just a % database). If anyone is curious, and wants the scripts, just email me (moop2000@yahoo.com) and ask for it.
I was looking out from under some trees at the blood moon with my father. He is a nurse at a local hospital, and he pointed out, that through the binoculars, and through the trees, that the moon looks like the back of the eyeball. The trees look like veins against the moon. Just a thought:D
But, One thing is, someone you meet online, doesnt have to be a Geek. My GF isn't a geek at all, which makes life difficult actually, I have learned more about being myself, and not thinking about computers constantly, cause she doesnt care about what new thing I learned today. She will listen, but won't understand. But I've learned to live with that:D and accept it!
One thing most people don't realize that this isn't exact, its only an estimation. The article is saying that if you took thousands and thousands of sites, and webpages, that it averages out to being around 11 clicks away. It's like all articles that use statistics. You have to look at it in the big picture, not on individual sites.
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Dude! We need Dueling Banjos! That would be the greatest two player song ever!
This is why cameras of any kind are banned from the Indian call center I work with.
I love how slashdot completely ignores the fact that the poster's copy is illegal, and the retailer should be (and probably will be) fined for selling it early.
Copied Verbatim from www.hardocp.com
Now that you guys have had a couple days to get excited about what Bert McComas had to say about the P4 clock throttling itself, I thought I would throw in my two cents. First off, here is the statement that is stirring the pot so well.
Intel's Thermal Design Guide has revealed that the absolute maximum power dissipation of the 1.5GHz P4 is actually 72.9 watts. This is 33% higher than the published system design specification, and essentially identical to the 1.33 GHz Athlon. In order to prevent the CPU from exceeding 54.7 watt, thermal throttling is used. If performance critical applications drive CPU power above its artificially low 54.7 watt limit, the CPU is halted with a 50% duty cycle (alternating 2 microseconds on; 2 microseconds off) until it cools down. This effectively turns your 1.5GHz processor into a 750MHz processor - just at the moment you demand peak performance. On the other hand, you will probably still be able to check your email at 1.5GHz.
While I don't know Bert, I have had the pleasure of meeting him and you have seen his links here on the [H] many times. On this occasion I think Bert has been sucking the crack pipe a bit too hard or either must have been in a terrible auto accident and had his cranium lodged in his rectal cavity and did not notice before he wrote the above statement.
We have been running an over-volted overclocked Pentium4 with the factory heatsink installed now for some time. It has been running here beside my desk folding proteins for Stanford University now for a solid month and has stayed at 100% CPU utilization. I track its performance and I can assure you that it has not ever slipped into the throttling that Bert speaks about above. If Bert's apps are running at 50%, it is because he does not have the sense to put a heatsink on the CPU or either he is operating his P4 system in Hell. Bert is taking an Intel safety device and demonizing the P4 with it. Here is what Intel PR George Alfs had to say about Bert's statements.
Hi Kyle,
You can run benchmarks all day on a Pentium(R) 4 processor with the benchmarks unaffected by the thermal protection circuitry. The key is to have a robust heat sink and thermal solution. With the heat sink setup we designed for Pentium 4 processor systems, I have yet to see thermal protection kick in.
George.
I have to fully agree with George's statements and have a few things to add. Also, I think that "robust" need not be in his statement.
What Bert may not know is that some mainboards have an adjustment in the BIOS that you can set yourself with the temperature that you want throttle to. (On our systems we have left it at default and never messed with the settings on the particular board that is Folding.) Yes, YOU can turn this on and off and fully control it on some mainboards. If you want a shield in between you and a burned up processor, set it low; if you want to forego the safety feature, set the temp high. I know that MANY of you wished that AMD had the courtesy to include a feature such as this instead of leaving their Athlon and Duron CPUs totally unprotected.
We have never seen nor heard of the CPU throttling being active on any person's CPU and certainly have not experienced it ourselves (unless we FORCED it to happen) under conditions more strenuous than 99.9% of the P4s in the field will ever encounter. I do not suggest that DIYers or hobbyist go the P4 route if they want to buy a system for themselves, but bashing it on this front is simply bad journalism and transparent to many people.
We here at the [H] have a lot of respect for Bert McComas' work and think he should step back up to the plate and possibly rephrase the statements in regards to this issue. Bert, we love you man, but you were just totally out to show Intel in a bad light this time, or were simply not thinking through the issue properly because you are being misleading and it looks to us as if you were trying to do it purposefully.
Linux has already been installed on this thing by ArsTechnica! http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/2q00/espresso/e spresso-4.html
They had RedHat installed May 2000. They had many things running, just a little difficulty with the network adapter.
Oh well
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20010102 /capt.monolith_mystery_egp.jpg
Thats a good pic!
I was surfing around, and came across this, www.xanadu.net They claim to have been using "hypertext" since the early 60's. Has anyone else heard of this?
Im suprised no on has posted these yet, found on IGN.com
g c ube/colors.jpg e rs.jpg
http://ps2media. ign.com/media/previews/image/gamecube/gamecube.jp
http://ps2media.ign.com/media/previews/image/game
http://ps2med ia.ign.com/media/previews/image/gamecube/controll
I personally want the Game Boy Advance, that will rock!
Well, IIRC, the celeron series,and most of the modern pentiums have their Multiplier locked, so that you cant adjust that. Thats why it was a big deal that some of the Duron (i think) chips were shipped without the multiplier locked.
So they can usually only adjust the voltage, and FSB.
I didnt notice them mentioning the voltage at all in the article. Did i just miss it?
Any true Fan of Serial Experiments Lain needs to be heading to Baltimore Maryland Aug 4-6 this year.
The anime convention, Otakon. This year, "guests of honor, will be Mr. Yoshitoshi ABe and Mr. Yasuyuki Ueda. Mr. ABe would best be known to us in the US as the character designer for serial experiments lain. Joining him will be Mr. Yasuyuki Ueda of production 2nd, the creator of lain. The pair are currently working on a new series together, and hope to have a preview ready by O2K."
Also on the same note, The band Boa will be at the convention. That is the group that does the amazing opening song to lain.
For more details, goto Otakon
I have been a fan of anime for years now. I've seen countless shows, many great, many really bad. What is the worst thing are the forgotten anime shows. There are many anime shows that no one, not even the so-called "Serious" Otaku will ever see. Wonderful shows like Marmalade boy, Kodomo No Omocha, and other shows of the same genre. Companies like ADV and Manga will only bring over the Big name shows that they think will make gobs of money. They are starting to hit the lesser known shows, but there are some that the american people will Never see. Many shows keep getting forgotten about, and unfortuanly for me, many are shojou anime. So called Girlish anime. I personally love the stuff, even though im male. I like the story lines, and plots of the shows. And more than that, there are shows already released in the US that many people forget about. Oh My Goddess is a great example. Everyone who sees it, loves it, but no one watches it anymore. People will skip over the smaller, lesser known shows to get only the bigger names, Like lain, and ranma, and eva. Dont get me wrong, im not against those shows, but next time your at the store, dont just go get something everyone is watching, get something that sounds more interesting. you might get a great show, or it might not be. but life is like that. Sorry for the ramblings of a crazy kid :) PS, for good, non-US released shows, goto the The Fansub Database for a list of fansubbers.
If you want to check out some movies, go Here
This being my final year of high school, we were allowed to do senior projects, basically, dedicate a whole year to do anything we want. And I decided to teach myself perl, and create a website keeping track of computer issues. It's a very simple setup, and not hard to follow. Its just a few perl scripts, tying into a simple database (nothing as complicated as mysql, or anything like that, its just a % database). If anyone is curious, and wants the scripts, just email me (moop2000@yahoo.com) and ask for it.
Michael
I was looking out from under some trees at the blood moon with my father. He is a nurse at a local hospital, and he pointed out, that through the binoculars, and through the trees, that the moon looks like the back of the eyeball. The trees look like veins against the moon. Just a thought :D
My older Siblings have always told me I was from another planet! :D
Just think of how much fun those things could be. I'd by 10,000 twinkies :D
Welcome to the world of GRIN :D
Pretty Colors *sits dazed and confuzzled*
Hmmm, I wonder if how you pronounce Xetos will be more hairy that the flame war about how you pronounce Linux
Now if only i had a system that can actually run OpenGL, damn Cyrix chips. hehe
But, One thing is, someone you meet online, doesnt have to be a Geek. My GF isn't a geek at all, which makes life difficult actually, I have learned more about being myself, and not thinking about computers constantly, cause she doesnt care about what new thing I learned today. She will listen, but won't understand. But I've learned to live with that :D and accept it!
I Know that for me, they have worked. And I have meet many great friends, and finally someone who is more than a friend :D
:D
I Love my Mandy
One thing most people don't realize that this isn't exact, its only an estimation. The article is saying that if you took thousands and thousands of sites, and webpages, that it averages out to being around 11 clicks away. It's like all articles that use statistics. You have to look at it in the big picture, not on individual sites.