The word should be "jailed", of course, not nailed. Jesus did have a hearing before Pilate before he was nailed, but in the US people get a hearing when they are jailed.
The Bill of Rights is extended to state governments by the 14th amendment, which says:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
So yeah, you're simply wrong. The Consitution applies only due process applies to non-citizens. The first, second, fourth, and fifth amendments, at least are protected for "citizens of the United States". People here illegally are entitled to due process, a hearing, before they are nailed or their property is taken. Other than that, they are intruders and have about the same rights as someone who broke into your home. Legal immigrants are guests in the country and you can think about the difference in rights between a guest you invite into your home versus you in your own home. Only one of two is allowed to touch the thermostat, or go upstairs.
I don't know about "most", since I haven't done a survey. I'm guessing you haven't either. What I can say is the freemoviestorrents.com is completely and obviously all about infringement, of Hollywood movies specifically. http://linuxtracker.org/ , on the other hand, is clearly not.
The protocol is as neutral as http. There are lawful web pages, and there are unlawful web pages.
I, and my customer, thought it was cool as heck when the open source video conferencing system Big Blue Button added auto-translate back in 2010. It's good to see Microsoft catching on too.
Yeah, except for the YouTube part. They believe (and courts agree) that sites made for specifically unlawful purposes are unlawful, but Sony themselves wouldn't be doing anything unlawful, they'd just be "hanging out with criminal gangs". That's something I personally avoid.
Additionally, and maybe more importantly, under the 1984 Sony case, "substantial non-infringing use" is hugely important. Sony wants to argue that the sites contain virtually no legal content. It's harder to make that argument if Sony PUT the legal content there.
Contrast that with YouTube- YouTube is mostly non-infringing videos now, so it certainly meets the "substantial non-infringing use" criterion.
Let's let the court speak for itself, rather than you making shit up right out of your ass. The court ruled:
"one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties."
That's a restatement of the Sony rule (1984), in Grokster this time. See also Napster, in which the court ruled that Napster was "promoting its use to infringe copyright".
Sony's lawyers are quite familiar with the rule since it was decided in the Sony Betamax case is is therefore called "the Sony rule". In Sony, the court ruled that VCRs could legally be sold, if the seller didn't promote their use for infringement of copyright, but only becuase they had "substantial non-infringing use". So the two-prong test under Sony is a) does'the product have substantial non-infringing use and b) does the seller / manufacturer/ superior promote the product as useful for infringement.
> and as a last step, they give the money to Bob (or his account) and I don't think either that for that it is neccessary or even helping, to check Bobs credit score or IP address. He is going to RECEIVE money.
Remember we're trying to fight real-world fraud, where people do dumb things, malware exists, etc. There is a request to empty Alice's bank account and send all her money to Bob. We happen to know that Bob is a Nigerian prince. What are the odds that this transaction is fraudulent?
The next day, April 15th, there is a request to send $1,200 from Alice to the IRS. What is the probability that this transaction is unauthorized?
The likelihood that the recipient is a scammer is not just relevant, it's the crux of the issue. Even if Alice uses ten factor authentication, if "she" is sending money from her US account to a check-cashing store in Nigeria which is known for fraud , she's probably getting scammed. She might have even authorized the payment, but it's still fraud.
Sony's lawyers will want to emphasize that generally, it is unlawful to build something specifically designed to be part of an unlawful act. Court rulings vary based on the actual facts , the jurisdiction, and the particular court, but in general building HollywoodTorrent.com, which has links to torrents of the top grossing movies of the week on the front page, would be PART OF an unlawful plot.
This makes sense of you think about another unlawful act, such as a bank robbery. Suppose I gather together some body armor, ski masks, a getaway car, etc. and hand them to my friends so that they can go into the bank and rob it. I'd rightfully go to jail because I willingly participated in the plan to rob the bank. Not only the team members who went into the bank are guilty- the guy driving the getaway car, the gal monitoring the police scanner, and the guy who acquired and assembled the equipment are all part of the robbery gang.
Contrary to what some believe, the law is not dumb; this does not imply a sporting goods store that sells winter apparel is guilty because they sell ski masks along with boots and coats. The store is selling things to keep you warm, the bank robbery guy is assembling the items for a bank robbery - his intention is to help people commit the unlawful act of bank robbery . Not the same thing at all.
Similarly, Google provides an index of the web. The entire web, all 5 billion pages. That's not unlawful. Maintaining a site full of unlawful material for the purpose of assisting people in unlawful activity, as links, is generally unlawful.
You can have a bullet proof OS today if that's what you really want, if that's you top priority. That means you're willing to forego the cool new features in favor of stability. It means learning an environment different from Windows, because stability is not the #1 priority in Windows.
Some of the BSDs are far more stable than Windows and more stable than the most common Linux distributions. QNX is still more stable. So you can get as much stability as you want. You won't be playing the latest games on a super-stable system, but pick your priorities. In rough order of least to most stable:
Windows Experimental Linux (Fedora, etc) OSX Enterprise Linux stable BSDs Corporate Unixes QNX
Heretic! Only solar-electric is good. Only solar-electric can be praised. To get hot water, we must build huge solar-electric panels and use them to charge big banks of batteries made from toxic chemicals, then electrically heat the water! Simply the water through a black pipe outdoors and allowing the sun to heat it naturally will not do.
Nuclear may be a thousand times safer than any currently available alternative, but it's not solar-electric, so we'll just have to stick with coal until we can figure out which combination of noxious chemicals will make a magic battery for solar-electric. We've only been seriously investing in solar-electric for 60 years - any day now that magic battery will appear, and with it magic components like 100% efficient inverters. Until then, we must burn coal.
Others replied mentioning it's because PMR is mostly useful for sequential writes, not random. That's true, and also the drive needs idle time between writes for garbage collection and remapping. It therefore fits the for daily backups, which are sequential and provide the drive time to garbage collect before it's used again.
It's less suited to something like storing security footage, where is has to record 24/7. Unless of course the recording software is specifically designed for PMR drives and writes directly to the raw drive, with no filesystem in use. In that case, it could write from LBA 0 sequentially to LBA MAX, then wrap around to 0 again, and no garbage collection would be required.
Securing a criminal enterprise from infiltration or detection by the FBI is a lot of hard work. Criminals don't want to work hard - if they wanted to work hard for their money, they'd just get a job.
The fact that criminals are basically lazy makes life a lot easier for law enforcement and for those of us in security. As an example, I can almost instantly spot when a server has a root kit due to one specific thing the bad guys are aways too lazy to do.
Going the other way, from government (back) to industry, our procurement systems are such that it takes a degree of expertise to navigate the process and actually get, then maintain, a contract. Often, the government could save money by just ordering from Walmart.com, but to avoid having a bureaucrat order from his brother, there's a huge procedure with a shit load of rules. So if you're trying to work out a contract with say, the FCC, there are real and legitimate reasons to hire someone intimately familiar with the FCC's procurement processes, their bureaucracy, and their priorities and culture. That may even benefit the taxpayer- I would do a better job of serving my agency's needs than some vendor who doesn't understand our business and culture would. Of course personal connections also help. The personal connections can be problematic, all the rest is good. I WANT my local fire department to get tools from former firefighters, who actually understand what it's like to work in a fire, getting doused with water and in heavy smoke. The guys who have been there and done that make better vendors, who provide more appropriate and effective products and services.
Again, I'm not saying there is no disadvantage, ever. There can be. Balance that against the advantages. As an example, we have experienced firefighters and snipers on staff. Our staff sniper better understands her former colleagues needs, thereby allowing us to better provide the services they actually need to get their job done.
TFS does a fine job of pointing out the potential drawbacks of the fact that people at the top of their field tend to remain in that field as they change jobs. Since the potentially negative side is somewhat clear, I won't say more on that, just acknowledge it.
On the other hand, suppose you're hiring someone to negotiate contracts to build roads. Wouldn't it be a good idea to hire someone who knows something about road-building projects, and the contracts involved? A former manager of a road-building company is uniquely qualified to understand the issues, the ways a road company company might try to screw over the taxpayers. They are far better able to protect the taxpayers' interests than I would ben for example, because I don't know anything about road contracts. So I WANT my taxpayer interests represented by someone with high level experience in the industry.
Freedom is a reasonable argument, if not always persuasive.
Drugs to treat sick people are an order of magnitude more profitable than vaccines. Mentioning your misunderstanding of the economics dilutes your argument by making it appear that you are misinformed.
Stick to the freedom argument . It's like pointing out all of Obama's policy failures, then also claiming he was born in Kenya. The part you're completely wrong about makes you look silly and distracts from the strong part.
> I've been uninstalling the crap out of that program every single time a customer walks in with it installed because I didn't know what it was
So all of these customers chose to install something, and without knowing what it was, you just took it upon yourself yo remove it. All this time you've been "uninstalling the crap out of it every single time", you didn't take 10 seconds to check Google and find out what it is?
> It uses IDLE, which, given the amount of overhead, is not suitable for mobile devices which is why P-IMAP and Lemonade are in development
And wrong again. Per the current draft, P-IMAP devices are REQUIRED to support IDLE. SMS and WAP are optional. P-IMAP uses doesn't replace IDLE, it uses IDLE.
Also note Exchange ActiveSync uses a heartbeat protocol very similar to IDLE - with pretty much the same problems. The content of the packets are a bit different, the overall scheme is rather similar.
You're on Slashdot, not at the bowling alley. Here, some of us actually know a bit about this stuff. Some of us are even IETF members and help write the standards that you've apparently never heard of, much less read.
RFC 3501is the standard for imap, including PUSH. You call Exchange Activesync "a de facto standard" - IMAP is an ACTUAL standard, and it includes push.
Btw, you called it ActiveSync, but that's the name of an older,mostly unrelated protocol, used with a PDA cradle connected to the serial port. You're thinking of Exchange ActiveSync. The difference is kind of like York vs New York; similar names, totally different things.
Fyi, with each post you only re-emphasize how completely and utterly clueless you are about these things.
All of the packages I mentioned provide that. Not being tied to Microsoft's ecosystem, they can also integrate your Facebook, Twitter, rss, or other notifications.
Email was flowing through open source systems for DECADES before Exchange came out. Today, the vast majority of mail is handled by open source systems.
If you're accustomed to Exchange and want to get that same bloated feeling without the six figure license fees, there are many open source packages designed,for that. Examples include OpenChange, Open X-change, Zumbra, Citadel...
Of course the vast majority of mail is handled more in the Unix philosophy, rather than one software package that thinks it's a file server (SMB), an MTA, an MDA, a groupware calendar, an IMAP server, and six other things it does poorly, the normal Unix way is if you want IMAP, you install a good IMAP server by clicking on or typing "dovecot". It doesn't have a buggy, insecure file server sticking the out the side that you never asked for.
> I predict this will more or less put the private information of pretty much everyone into pretty much every government agency, and that this will be hacked and leaked 10 ways from Sunday.
Well of course. The question is, will it be hacked while it's in beta, or after it's officially launched?
Actually it IS faster. Execution is faster by time cat phonelist >/dev/null, and faster to type (fewer characters) .
Pairs are inherently more elegant than triples, and cat is the third wheel. Nature abounds with pairs, there are few tonno triples in nature. Computer science abounds with pairs; key>value, etc. Key > value arrays are fundamental, there is no common "third wheel > key > value" type, because it's inelegant and ugly.
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The word should be "jailed", of course, not nailed.
Jesus did have a hearing before Pilate before he was nailed, but in the US people get a hearing when they are jailed.
The Bill of Rights is extended to state governments by the 14th amendment, which says:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
So yeah, you're simply wrong. The Consitution applies only due process applies to non-citizens. The first, second, fourth, and fifth amendments, at least are protected for "citizens of the United States". People here illegally are entitled to due process, a hearing, before they are nailed or their property is taken. Other than that, they are intruders and have about the same rights as someone who broke into your home. Legal immigrants are guests in the country and you can think about the difference in rights between a guest you invite into your home versus you in your own home. Only one of two is allowed to touch the thermostat, or go upstairs.
I don't know about "most", since I haven't done a survey. I'm guessing you haven't either. What I can say is the freemoviestorrents.com is completely and obviously all about infringement, of Hollywood movies specifically. http://linuxtracker.org/ , on the other hand, is clearly not.
The protocol is as neutral as http. There are lawful web pages, and there are unlawful web pages.
I, and my customer, thought it was cool as heck when the open source video conferencing system Big Blue Button added auto-translate back in 2010. It's good to see Microsoft catching on too.
Yeah, except for the YouTube part. They believe (and courts agree) that sites made for specifically unlawful purposes are unlawful, but Sony themselves wouldn't be doing anything unlawful, they'd just be "hanging out with criminal gangs". That's something I personally avoid.
Additionally, and maybe more importantly, under the 1984 Sony case, "substantial non-infringing use" is hugely important. Sony wants to argue that the sites contain virtually no legal content. It's harder to make that argument if Sony PUT the legal content there.
Contrast that with YouTube- YouTube is mostly non-infringing videos now, so it certainly meets the "substantial non-infringing use" criterion.
Let's let the court speak for itself, rather than you making shit up right out of your ass. The court ruled:
"one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties."
That's a restatement of the Sony rule (1984), in Grokster this time. See also Napster, in which the court ruled that Napster was "promoting its use to infringe copyright".
Sony's lawyers are quite familiar with the rule since it was decided in the Sony Betamax case is is therefore called "the Sony rule". In Sony, the court ruled that VCRs could legally be sold, if the seller didn't promote their use for infringement of copyright, but only becuase they had "substantial non-infringing use". So the two-prong test under Sony is a) does'the product have substantial non-infringing use and b) does the seller / manufacturer/ superior promote the product as useful for infringement.
> and as a last step, they give the money to Bob (or his account) and I don't think either that for that it is neccessary or even helping, to check Bobs credit score or IP address. He is going to RECEIVE money.
Remember we're trying to fight real-world fraud, where people do dumb things, malware exists, etc. There is a request to empty Alice's bank account and send all her money to Bob. We happen to know that Bob is a Nigerian prince. What are the odds that this transaction is fraudulent?
The next day, April 15th, there is a request to send $1,200 from Alice to the IRS. What is the probability that this transaction is unauthorized?
The likelihood that the recipient is a scammer is not just relevant, it's the crux of the issue. Even if Alice uses ten factor authentication, if "she" is sending money from her US account to a check-cashing store in Nigeria which is known for fraud , she's probably getting scammed. She might have even authorized the payment, but it's still fraud.
Sony's lawyers will want to emphasize that generally, it is unlawful to build something specifically designed to be part of an unlawful act. Court rulings vary based on the actual facts , the jurisdiction, and the particular court, but in general building HollywoodTorrent.com, which has links to torrents of the top grossing movies of the week on the front page, would be PART OF an unlawful plot.
This makes sense of you think about another unlawful act, such as a bank robbery. Suppose I gather together some body armor, ski masks, a getaway car, etc. and hand them to my friends so that they can go into the bank and rob it. I'd rightfully go to jail because I willingly participated in the plan to rob the bank. Not only the team members who went into the bank are guilty- the guy driving the getaway car, the gal monitoring the police scanner, and the guy who acquired and assembled the equipment are all part of the robbery gang.
Contrary to what some believe, the law is not dumb; this does not imply a sporting goods store that sells winter apparel is guilty because they sell ski masks along with boots and coats. The store is selling things to keep you warm, the bank robbery guy is assembling the items for a bank robbery - his intention is to help people commit the unlawful act of bank robbery . Not the same thing at all.
Similarly, Google provides an index of the web. The entire web, all 5 billion pages. That's not unlawful. Maintaining a site full of unlawful material for the purpose of assisting people in unlawful activity, as links, is generally unlawful.
You can have a bullet proof OS today if that's what you really want, if that's you top priority. That means you're willing to forego the cool new features in favor of stability. It means learning an environment different from Windows, because stability is not the #1 priority in Windows.
Some of the BSDs are far more stable than Windows and more stable than the most common Linux distributions. QNX is still more stable. So you can get as much stability as you want. You won't be playing the latest games on a super-stable system, but pick your priorities. In rough order of least to most stable:
Windows
Experimental Linux (Fedora, etc)
OSX
Enterprise Linux
stable BSDs
Corporate Unixes
QNX
Heretic! Only solar-electric is good. Only solar-electric can be praised. To get hot water, we must build huge solar-electric panels and use them to charge big banks of batteries made from toxic chemicals, then electrically heat the water! Simply the water through a black pipe outdoors and allowing the sun to heat it naturally will not do.
Nuclear may be a thousand times safer than any currently available alternative, but it's not solar-electric, so we'll just have to stick with coal until we can figure out which combination of noxious chemicals will make a magic battery for solar-electric. We've only been seriously investing in solar-electric for 60 years - any day now that magic battery will appear, and with it magic components like 100% efficient inverters. Until then, we must burn coal.
Others replied mentioning it's because PMR is mostly useful for sequential writes, not random. That's true, and also the drive needs idle time between writes for garbage collection and remapping. It therefore fits the for daily backups, which are sequential and provide the drive time to garbage collect before it's used again.
It's less suited to something like storing security footage, where is has to record 24/7. Unless of course the recording software is specifically designed for PMR drives and writes directly to the raw drive, with no filesystem in use. In that case, it could write from LBA 0 sequentially to LBA MAX, then wrap around to 0 again, and no garbage collection would be required.
Securing a criminal enterprise from infiltration or detection by the FBI is a lot of hard work. Criminals don't want to work hard - if they wanted to work hard for their money, they'd just get a job.
The fact that criminals are basically lazy makes life a lot easier for law enforcement and for those of us in security. As an example, I can almost instantly spot when a server has a root kit due to one specific thing the bad guys are aways too lazy to do.
Going the other way, from government (back) to industry, our procurement systems are such that it takes a degree of expertise to navigate the process and actually get, then maintain, a contract. Often, the government could save money by just ordering from Walmart.com, but to avoid having a bureaucrat order from his brother, there's a huge procedure with a shit load of rules. So if you're trying to work out a contract with say, the FCC, there are real and legitimate reasons to hire someone intimately familiar with the FCC's procurement processes, their bureaucracy, and their priorities and culture. That may even benefit the taxpayer- I would do a better job of serving my agency's needs than some vendor who doesn't understand our business and culture would. Of course personal connections also help. The personal connections can be problematic, all the rest is good. I WANT my local fire department to get tools from former firefighters, who actually understand what it's like to work in a fire, getting doused with water and in heavy smoke. The guys who have been there and done that make better vendors, who provide more appropriate and effective products and services.
Again, I'm not saying there is no disadvantage, ever. There can be. Balance that against the advantages. As an example, we have experienced firefighters and snipers on staff. Our staff sniper better understands her former colleagues needs, thereby allowing us to better provide the services they actually need to get their job done.
TFS does a fine job of pointing out the potential drawbacks of the fact that people at the top of their field tend to remain in that field as they change jobs. Since the potentially negative side is somewhat clear, I won't say more on that, just acknowledge it.
On the other hand, suppose you're hiring someone to negotiate contracts to build roads. Wouldn't it be a good idea to hire someone who knows something about road-building projects, and the contracts involved? A former manager of a road-building company is uniquely qualified to understand the issues, the ways a road company
company might try to screw over the taxpayers. They are far better able to protect the taxpayers' interests than I would ben for example, because I don't know anything about road contracts. So I WANT my taxpayer interests represented by someone with high level experience in the industry.
Freedom is a reasonable argument, if not always persuasive.
Drugs to treat sick people are an order of magnitude more profitable than vaccines. Mentioning your misunderstanding of the economics dilutes your argument by making it appear that you are misinformed.
Stick to the freedom argument . It's like pointing out all of Obama's policy failures, then also claiming he was born in Kenya. The part you're completely wrong about makes you look silly and distracts from the strong part.
Okay, so the reason you removed it wasn't "because I didn't know what it was", you had far better reason than that. Cool.
> I've been uninstalling the crap out of that program every single time a customer walks in with it installed because I didn't know what it was
So all of these customers chose to install something, and without knowing what it was, you just took it upon yourself yo remove it. All this time you've been "uninstalling the crap out of it every single time", you didn't take 10 seconds to check Google and find out what it is?
You might be very, very bad at your job.
> It uses IDLE, which, given the amount of overhead, is not suitable for mobile devices which is why P-IMAP and Lemonade are in development
And wrong again. Per the current draft, P-IMAP devices are REQUIRED to support IDLE. SMS and WAP are optional. P-IMAP uses doesn't replace IDLE, it uses IDLE.
Also note Exchange ActiveSync uses a heartbeat protocol very similar to IDLE - with pretty much the same problems. The content of the packets are a bit different, the overall scheme is rather similar.
You're on Slashdot, not at the bowling alley. Here, some of us actually know a bit about this stuff. Some of us are even IETF members and help write the standards that you've apparently never heard of, much less read.
RFC 3501is the standard for imap, including PUSH. You call Exchange Activesync "a de facto standard" - IMAP is an ACTUAL standard, and it includes push.
Btw, you called it ActiveSync, but that's the name of an older,mostly unrelated protocol, used with a PDA cradle connected to the serial port. You're thinking of Exchange ActiveSync. The difference is kind of like York vs New York; similar names, totally different things.
Fyi, with each post you only re-emphasize how completely and utterly clueless you are about these things.
Now you're just completely making stuff up. How do you think email worked for the 25 years before Microsoft said "me to"?
All of the packages I mentioned provide that. Not being tied to Microsoft's ecosystem, they can also integrate your Facebook, Twitter, rss, or other notifications.
Email was flowing through open source systems for DECADES before Exchange came out. Today, the vast majority of mail is handled by open source systems.
If you're accustomed to Exchange and want to get that same bloated feeling without the six figure license fees, there are many open source packages designed,for that. Examples include OpenChange, Open X-change, Zumbra, Citadel ...
Of course the vast majority of mail is handled more in the Unix philosophy, rather than one software package that thinks it's a file server (SMB), an MTA, an MDA, a groupware calendar, an IMAP server, and six other things it does poorly, the normal Unix way is if you want IMAP, you install a good IMAP server by clicking on or typing "dovecot". It doesn't have a buggy, insecure file server sticking the out the side that you never asked for.
> I predict this will more or less put the private information of pretty much everyone into pretty much every government agency, and that this will be hacked and leaked 10 ways from Sunday.
Well of course. The question is, will it be hacked while it's in beta, or after it's officially launched?
Actually it IS faster. Execution is faster by time cat phonelist >/dev/null, and faster to type (fewer characters) .
Pairs are inherently more elegant than triples, and cat is the third wheel. Nature abounds with pairs, there are few tonno triples in nature. Computer science abounds with pairs; key>value, etc. Key > value arrays are fundamental, there is no common "third wheel > key > value" type, because it's inelegant and ugly.
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