Marksman wrote: So you say "I slashed away at some code" instead of "hacking away at it." Big deal.
Suppose that you are in a community that prizes...let's say "dongling". To say someone is a "dongle" (heh) is not only descriptive but also a HIGH compliment. Let's then suppose that "dongle" takes on a negative connotation. Now, you hear, "get out of my way you $@#!ing DONGLE!".
Since there is no other word to heap praise and status on one of your own, what word do you use?
I sort of cringe when I hear that we should give way on such ground. "Hacker" has been (and deserves to be) a word that is extremely positive. I'm hesitant to "call uncle" quite yet.
Yes, pejoration does occur but we've never had a medium like the internet to combat such misappropriation. This is our forum for cripes sake!
But somewhere deep in my heart I sort of know that it's already lost - already too far gone. If I had to choose an alternative, I think it would be "white hacker". This can, almost without explanation, convey what we want it to.
The community can kill two birds with one stone. Just find yourself a new MP3 player.
1) This will make small companies think twice about selling to a mindless corporation and, 2) This will make mindless corporations think twice about purchasing such a company if they think everyone will walk.
I dunno. I thought under the circumstances he was pretty restrained. Most of the letter is devoted to explaining the future of Enlightenment.
He doesn't want to be part of a company that treats it's users as chattel. He even suggests that you don't switch distributions...what more can you say? The only option I can see that you'd be happy with is to not say anything critical - might be fine with you but not everyone is willing to roll over and play dead.
Most of the trailers that I saw looked like they sucked...:
Wild Wild West: Real Real Wack? South Park: LOL! The Chow Yun Fat Flik: What a waste. The Beach: Yawn. Big Daddy: Who's better at this type of comedy? AE: Post-ID4 on a down note?
...and weren't trailers ruled a no-no by Lucas himself?
jonkennis wrote: "4) The four-way orgy involving Darth Sidious, Senator Palpatine, Queen Amidala, and Queen Amidala's handmaiden was EXCELLENT! The classic trilogy was really lacking in the hardcode sex department. (Although according to that Newsweek Carrie Fisher interview, Boba Fett "could see all the way to Florida" in the Tatooine scenes of ROTJ.)"
I'm really sorry if I'm missing something but...what the HELL are you talking about??
Yes, when they met it didn't look very plausible. That scene plus the scene where the Queen's ship lands and the dust get kicked up - that wasn't very good either.
Did anyone else catch the HUUUUUGE lighting issues in the Ewok-like celebration at the end?
They're marching in a straight line down a straight corridor - no turns. The sun is out full-blast, the shadows are very pronounced. Problem is, sometimes they're pointing toward the back. Sometimes they're toward the front. Sometimes they're pointing to the right of the marchers and sometimes they're at a right 45 degree angle to the marchers.
Mr. Objectivity wrote: I pointed out two examples initially and several in the reply of claims or statements that people have made without backing them up.
Someone voicing an opinion w/out citing things to your satisfaction is not Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
You assume I believe, simply because I list quotes as examples, that I support the opposite of those quotes.
No such assumption was made. You're assuming. =)
When opinions are rendered in such a fashion, they raise uncertainty in the minds of readers as to their truth.
Well then there is a heck of a lot of FUD going around, isn't there. When someone asked me today if the checks arrived and I said I didn't think so - but didn't provide substantiating evidence - I was participating in FUD. Ouch.
Those on/. use the term FUD with a derogatory connotation, implying that FUD is inheriently evil.
...? Can you think of a positive use for FUD?? If I told that person today that if checks weren't in by 2:00pm, they wouldn't be here at all...is that still FUD in your mind? That's another mistake you're making. FUD is (by definition) a lie. If you're telling a truth that scares the tar out of someone, it isn't FUD!
Since that is the prevailing mindset, I asked the community to stop the hypocrisy of slinging unsupported FUD when they so readily accuse MS of the same.
Well, if your gripe is that people are making unsupported claims, I'd suggest that you're 80% wrong (and haven't done your homework) and 20% correct (hate to tell you this, but humans are flawed). Your problem is, you equate FUD with making a statement without reams of data behind every sentence.
See, Mr. Objectivity, there are shades to things. There are white lies and there are real lies. You can tell you mom that she looks fabulous in that paisly bananna-shaped hat, or you can tell the IRS the check is in the mail; two separate lies.
Same with FUD. FUD is a sales technique designed to scare your clients into staying with you. This is evil. People on/. - having no financial interest in what's going on - could at worst be accused of lying. You haven't shown any evidence whatsoever that this is the case. The best you've done is show that people have offered opinions without backing them up yet (and its been demonstrated that you are doing precisely what you deride!)
Long answer: Drake proposed an equation that would determine the chances of intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe. Some believe the state = 1. Of couse, if there IS such a civilization, they are likely FAR ahead of us technologically. The odds of us coming upon another civilization about as advanced as ourselves is hopelessly slim.
Such a civilization wishing to communicate with us would do so in the universal language - math. First would come basic premises, for example:
. v . r.. [this would show that v means add] . v.. r... [and r means equals ]
Basic relational concepts could be added:
. v . pr.. [this would show that p means ] . v.. yr.. ["does". y means "does not" ]
Without going any further, it would be pretty simple to go on to much more complex issues using nothing more than a binary method as a primer. After all, computers are essentially stupid yet they can do complex tasks. That's because they've been shown - bit by bit - what represents what.
Your analogy breaks down when you assume that the advanced civilization (the cellphoneists) would try and communicate with the bushmen with cell phones.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong...but if it has an audio out, it can be copied. If the "kill switch" is imbedded in the music, it's hackable. Who cares what RIAA does now? It's just like MS flailing - too little too late. They're horked.
I want someone from SETI@home to explain why I've been on the mailing list for almost a year...been receiving email about it 'coming up soon' and I find out about it being "active" on/..
Mr. Objectivity wrote: How in any way does my nickname have anything to do with ignorance?
When you lack objectivity? The irony isn't lost on you, is it?
The FUD that I speak of is clear through the responses to this story, at least two of which I reiterated: Linux's supposed superior performance and the supposed lack of reliablility by NT on/.
Let's get this straight... You're equating an opinion (and I'll even allow that it's biased and unbased) with FUD? Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt? By your definition, every Op-ed piece in the newspaper qualifies as FUD.
Others are "I just know linux is faster, it was for me" without anything objective, like performance numbers, to justify the claim. Or "NT may beat Unix in TCO, but Linux has to be lower".
Aaah. Now we sort of see the issue...only you still leave us hanging. You accuse people of giving opinion without supporting evidence - yet paridoxically fail to provide any of your own when you deride them. Is this getting any clearer for you?
How bout "ZD Net is another division of MS"?
Well, is it or isn't it?
Or "All benchmarks are biased against Linux"
You use quotes. Just out of curiosity, please tell me what message you took this from.
Should I start compiling a list?
You might want to start getting your terminology correct and adopt the 'show and prove' method so popular with the Linux crowd.
An (always) Anonymous Coward wrote: If NT sucks so bad, how come the page hasn't gone down yet assuming everyone here has looked at it. And why is it that/. is so slow sometimes...?
Tell you what genius...
I'll give you $10. You can buy ten bucks worth of steel. I'll remove $10,000 to purchase some wood. Now let's build something and compare strength.
Ya know... I hate to be so vulgar and call someone an outright moron in such a forum, but...
Anonymous Coward wrote: Well excuse me. Of course I ask what Linux can do for me, and if it can't do what I want then I'll look elsewhere. Linux is no religion so get over it!
Understand that there are two distinct sides to Linux (whereas there isn't with...say, NT). Adding to what is Linux is very much part of the culture. Recognize that.
A sucker's game if there ever was one - but I think it's safe to say that the people that accept this challenge will be deft enough to spot the tripwires and make the test even.
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Marksman wrote:
...let's say "dongling". To say someone is a "dongle" (heh) is not only descriptive but also a HIGH compliment. Let's then suppose that "dongle" takes on a negative connotation. Now, you hear, "get out of my way you $@#!ing DONGLE!".
So you say "I slashed away at some code" instead of "hacking away at it." Big deal.
Suppose that you are in a community that prizes
Since there is no other word to heap praise and status on one of your own, what word do you use?
Quux26
I sort of cringe when I hear that we should give way on such ground. "Hacker" has been (and deserves to be) a word that is extremely positive. I'm hesitant to "call uncle" quite yet.
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Yes, pejoration does occur but we've never had a medium like the internet to combat such misappropriation. This is our forum for cripes sake!
But somewhere deep in my heart I sort of know that it's already lost - already too far gone. If I had to choose an alternative, I think it would be "white hacker". This can, almost without explanation, convey what we want it to.
my
Quux26
The community can kill two birds with one stone. Just find yourself a new MP3 player.
1) This will make small companies think twice about selling to a mindless corporation and,
2) This will make mindless corporations think twice about purchasing such a company if they think everyone will walk.
This is our revolution and it's not for sale.
Quux26
Er, so do I and I'd say he's right.
/= ignorance
different opinion
Quux26
I dunno. I thought under the circumstances he was pretty restrained. Most of the letter is devoted to explaining the future of Enlightenment.
He doesn't want to be part of a company that treats it's users as chattel. He even suggests that you don't switch distributions...what more can you say? The only option I can see that you'd be happy with is to not say anything critical - might be fine with you but not everyone is willing to roll over and play dead.
Quux26
SDMI. SoDoMI. Interesting.
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My
Quux26
'Course it's always possible that the men carried the offspring to term...
Quux26
zztzed wrote:
maybe it's just me, but it seems like a lot of you are taking this waaay too seriously..
Yep, it's you.
Quux26
Yeeesh. And I thought I was slick when I whipped up some ASCII for my pine .signature.
Quux26
Most of the trailers that I saw looked like they sucked...:
Wild Wild West: Real Real Wack?
South Park: LOL!
The Chow Yun Fat Flik: What a waste.
The Beach: Yawn.
Big Daddy: Who's better at this type of comedy?
AE: Post-ID4 on a down note?
...and weren't trailers ruled a no-no by Lucas himself?
Quux26
Heck, I loved it. Saw it thrice on opening day. I just get irate when such picaune things go unnoticed.
Quux26
"4) The four-way orgy involving Darth Sidious, Senator Palpatine, Queen Amidala, and Queen Amidala's handmaiden was EXCELLENT! The classic trilogy was really lacking in the hardcode sex department. (Although according to that Newsweek Carrie Fisher interview, Boba Fett "could see all the way to Florida" in the Tatooine scenes of ROTJ.)"
I'm really sorry if I'm missing something but ...what the HELL are you talking about??
Quux26
Yes, when they met it didn't look very plausible. That scene plus the scene where the Queen's ship lands and the dust get kicked up - that wasn't very good either.
My 02.
quux26
They're marching in a straight line down a straight corridor - no turns. The sun is out full-blast, the shadows are very pronounced. Problem is, sometimes they're pointing toward the back. Sometimes they're toward the front. Sometimes they're pointing to the right of the marchers and sometimes they're at a right 45 degree angle to the marchers.
Bleh! Great movie - but sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
My .02
Quux26
Loved the movie. =)
My .02
Quux
I pointed out two examples initially and several in the reply of claims or statements that people have made without backing them up.
Someone voicing an opinion w/out citing things to your satisfaction is not Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
You assume I believe, simply because I list quotes as examples, that I support the opposite of those quotes.
No such assumption was made. You're assuming. =)
When opinions are rendered in such a fashion, they raise uncertainty in the minds of readers as to their truth.
Well then there is a heck of a lot of FUD going around, isn't there. When someone asked me today if the checks arrived and I said I didn't think so - but didn't provide substantiating evidence - I was participating in FUD. Ouch.
Those on /. use the term FUD with a derogatory connotation, implying that FUD is inheriently evil.
Since that is the prevailing mindset, I asked the community to stop the hypocrisy of slinging unsupported FUD when they so readily accuse MS of the same.
Well, if your gripe is that people are making unsupported claims, I'd suggest that you're 80% wrong (and haven't done your homework) and 20% correct (hate to tell you this, but humans are flawed). Your problem is, you equate FUD with making a statement without reams of data behind every sentence.
See, Mr. Objectivity, there are shades to things. There are white lies and there are real lies. You can tell you mom that she looks fabulous in that paisly bananna-shaped hat, or you can tell the IRS the check is in the mail; two separate lies.
Same with FUD. FUD is a sales technique designed to scare your clients into staying with you. This is evil. People on /. - having no financial interest in what's going on - could at worst be accused of lying. You haven't shown any evidence whatsoever that this is the case. The best you've done is show that people have offered opinions without backing them up yet (and its been demonstrated that you are doing precisely what you deride!)
Get off your high horse. You have no case.
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Quux
Invalidates the math. Cute.
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I always get a chuckle out of people that dismiss educated estimations out of hand due to ignorance.
My
Quux26
You misunderstand the problem grossly.
.. [this would show that v means add] .. r ... [and r means equals ]
.. [this would show that p means ] .. yr .. ["does". y means "does not" ]
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Short answer: Read "Contact" by Sagan.
Long answer: Drake proposed an equation that would determine the chances of intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe. Some believe the state = 1. Of couse, if there IS such a civilization, they are likely FAR ahead of us technologically. The odds of us coming upon another civilization about as advanced as ourselves is hopelessly slim.
Such a civilization wishing to communicate with us would do so in the universal language - math. First would come basic premises, for example:
. v . r
. v
Basic relational concepts could be added:
. v . pr
. v
Without going any further, it would be pretty simple to go on to much more complex issues using nothing more than a binary method as a primer. After all, computers are essentially stupid yet they can do complex tasks. That's because they've been shown - bit by bit - what represents what.
Your analogy breaks down when you assume that the advanced civilization (the cellphoneists) would try and communicate with the bushmen with cell phones.
Would you?
My
Quux26
Please, correct me if I'm wrong ...but if it has an audio out, it can be copied. If the "kill switch" is imbedded in the music, it's hackable. Who cares what RIAA does now? It's just like MS flailing - too little too late. They're horked.
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My
Quux26
Yes, very cool but...
...been receiving email about it 'coming up soon' and I find out about it being "active" on /..
I want someone from SETI@home to explain why I've been on the mailing list for almost a year
Gr.
How in any way does my nickname have anything to do with ignorance?
When you lack objectivity? The irony isn't lost on you, is it?
The FUD that I speak of is clear through the responses to this story, at least two of which I reiterated: Linux's supposed superior performance and the supposed lack of reliablility by NT on /.
Let's get this straight... You're equating an opinion (and I'll even allow that it's biased and unbased) with FUD? Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt? By your definition, every Op-ed piece in the newspaper qualifies as FUD.
Others are "I just know linux is faster, it was for me" without anything objective, like performance numbers, to justify the claim. Or "NT may beat Unix in TCO, but Linux has to be lower".
Aaah. Now we sort of see the issue...only you still leave us hanging. You accuse people of giving opinion without supporting evidence - yet paridoxically fail to provide any of your own when you deride them. Is this getting any clearer for you?
How bout "ZD Net is another division of MS"?
Well, is it or isn't it?
Or "All benchmarks are biased against Linux"
You use quotes. Just out of curiosity, please tell me what message you took this from.
Should I start compiling a list?
You might want to start getting your terminology correct and adopt the 'show and prove' method so popular with the Linux crowd.
My .02
Quux26
If NT sucks so bad, how come the page hasn't gone down yet assuming everyone here has looked at it. And why is it that
Tell you what genius...
I'll give you $10. You can buy ten bucks worth of steel. I'll remove $10,000 to purchase some wood. Now let's build something and compare strength.
Ya know... I hate to be so vulgar and call someone an outright moron in such a forum, but...
My .02
Quux26
Well excuse me. Of course I ask what Linux can do for me, and if it can't do what I want then I'll look elsewhere. Linux is no religion so get over it!
Understand that there are two distinct sides to Linux (whereas there isn't with ...say, NT). Adding to what is Linux is very much part of the culture. Recognize that.
My .02
Quux26
You've stated that the Linux community participates in FUD tactics, but conspicuously omit any evidence.
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Your nick belies your ignorance. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to call you on it.
So what were you saying about putting up...?
My
Quux26
A sucker's game if there ever was one - but I think it's safe to say that the people that accept this challenge will be deft enough to spot the tripwires and make the test even.
.02
They'd better.
My
Quux26