Mozilla is a suite. Safari is a browser. I'd hope that with today's resources, mozilla as a browser only, w/o XUL, chatzilla, composer and all the other goodies, would be ~7.2 megs.
"You can't just import an XML file and magically have it available to your program. You have to first put it through some sort of transformation, which requires work that is unnatural or unwieldy." -- Sean McGrath
your examples concentrate on technology. itunes is not only an mp3-player, it is an unified interface to manage the music on your computer. you let itunes do the work, and access all your music thru it. no need to use the file manager/finder, which is good, because file names of mp3 are always a mess. instead, use song names, artist names, album names, playback information, even encoding information, to access your music.
so the innovation is not in the mp3-player, which obviously has existed before, it's in a new way of seeing music on the computer. not as files, but as - music. same goes for iphoto.
*sigh* Still don't get it, eh? Apple didn't inovate in technology. They didn't create mp3, or jpegs or opengl. All they did was take the technology and make it very usable. iTunes, iPhoto, quicktime, anyone of us could have made it. The difference? Apple has the resources for making great user interfaces.
Abstracting isn't hard. It's the underlayer that is hard. You brought up linux. Sure, I can write something in C that sits on top of linux, such as bash, or tcsh. Hell, one of my projects was writing a shell, and it really isn't that hard given some time and patience. But could I have written linux? No, only a few people could have done it. Just like only a few people could have written iLife software and other things that apple has done. And if someone else could have written another Mac OSX, or Linux, or FreeBSD, it'd be on the market now competing. BeOS almost did it if it weren't for being trampled on business-wise.
Only thing I could think they may have tried to inovate was the newton handwriting software, but even then, they got it wrong.
iTunes is just a shell for mp3 Well, in the same way that Linux is just a shell for unix, perhaps. I mean, it isn't. iTunes is an impementation of a music player (derived from code by another company bought by Apple, I believe) with a lot added...
No. Linux does a hell of a lot more. Linux is a thread handling, process implementing, driver running, multitasking kernel. It's a lot more complicated than a filemanager and interface to cd burning. The cd burning capabilities are NOT in iTunes but in Mac OSX. All iTunes does is bundle up cp, mv,an mp3 library and cd burner interface.
quicktime is just a shell for various codecs I think you are using a different meaning of shell than most people. Quicktime is a pretty interesting technology base... It allows a lot of different things, and if it had been handled differently at a few crucial moments could have been even more popular than it is now.
Just like anything XML is just a shell for data. Quicktime is open. it's sorenson that's closed. And it's no "if's" about it. Quicktime is simply a wrapper.
safari, zeroconf and quartz too, they aren't technical inovations that apple came up with. They pulled in the knowledge from somewhere else and are improving on it, not like MS would, but keeping some things opensource, and certainly not doing it by over-intigration.
Honestly? I see TiVo as an apple-like company. They make a good product, with a lot of good features. They are integrating with the right people.
As for trouble, there's prolly gonna be trouble until there's a solution that's been tried and convicted or vindicated. Look at napster. Napster "failed" and look at kazaa, they had to go further offshore. Look at DeCSS. And even then, there might still be trouble, though significantly less.
Microsoft is the butt of many jokes just like IBM + OS/2 once was. Same as FreeBSD. Only the zealots would actually believe it.
Besides, wouldn't it be funny if your watch actually crashed, or to use your watch, you needed a DRM arm? It's just horse play. No one's eye is going to be taken out.
Seriously. I installed KDE, GNOME, other window managers, other software. Some worked great for my girlfriend, some didin't. But not once, not even once, did she ask who to go to when she had a question.
Sure, there's google, but who is to think of hunting down xmms's main site, writing a question and waiting a day or two. Whta if I wanted my answer yesterday? Part of the problem is, there is no fast support, much less obvious support.
There's nothing especially great about it -- it's a web browser -- except that, unlike most other browsers, it is expected to be fast and work properly, as well as be fully integrated into Mac OS X.
"I'm sorry, my browswer isn't broken, it just don't 'work' like konq does. For some odd reason makes fun of me and keeps spinning it's head around. Worst part of it is, it wants me to read all my pages in latin!":D
Sorry, I'm a mozilla fan and thought how funny and strange that konqueror is so perfect:)
But why does everyone immediately assume the gub'mint is trying to nail someone to a wall unjustly here? Sorry.. your "rights" arent being violated by someone subpoena'ing a weblog. Or what servers you log into. The internet is a public forum.. while the "copyright" on your posts/stories/pictures may revert to you, anyone may read them.
Because, sometimes we have to prevent even the smallest of our liberties from being taken away. Otherwise, we may miss them, or worse, have more taken away. Not saying that everyone who overreacts is bad, but sitting idly and not speculating is much much worse.
Do you trust the travelling salesman?
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Yes/No. Everything isn't black and white.
What if the logs were to enforce the dmca (dcma, whatever)? What if it was used to help track down a person who was stalking someone else? What if it was used to track down a terrorist?
What about a law that bans all guns? One place did it and gun usage went up. Old addage of banning one thing makes all users outlaws or something.
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Heh, I don't know wether to commend you or chastize you for being honest. :)
Actually, it doesn't have composer, mail or chatzilla. Nor the address book.
Mozilla is a suite. Safari is a browser. I'd hope that with today's resources, mozilla as a browser only, w/o XUL, chatzilla, composer and all the other goodies, would be ~7.2 megs.
"You can't just import an XML file and magically have it available to your program. You have to first put it through some sort of transformation, which requires work that is unnatural or unwieldy." -- Sean McGrath
yes you can
"This guy" is debunking the fact that it's a geek thing. That's all. I know a lot of "geeks" that can't deal with grafitti.
Graffiti is no more a geek thing, than manual transmition. It's just a method of input. If you can learn it, then you can do it.
Speaking for "most non-geek people" is a big thing. Do you have any data to backup your claim?
Uh.. i'm not a female
Phone numbers are 10. Extensions are 4.
It's metimusil gone bad :)
*sigh* Still don't get it, eh? Apple didn't inovate in technology. They didn't create mp3, or jpegs or opengl. All they did was take the technology and make it very usable. iTunes, iPhoto, quicktime, anyone of us could have made it. The difference? Apple has the resources for making great user interfaces.
Abstracting isn't hard. It's the underlayer that is hard. You brought up linux. Sure, I can write something in C that sits on top of linux, such as bash, or tcsh. Hell, one of my projects was writing a shell, and it really isn't that hard given some time and patience. But could I have written linux? No, only a few people could have done it. Just like only a few people could have written iLife software and other things that apple has done. And if someone else could have written another Mac OSX, or Linux, or FreeBSD, it'd be on the market now competing. BeOS almost did it if it weren't for being trampled on business-wise.
Only thing I could think they may have tried to inovate was the newton handwriting software, but even then, they got it wrong.
No. Linux does a hell of a lot more. Linux is a thread handling, process implementing, driver running, multitasking kernel. It's a lot more complicated than a filemanager and interface to cd burning. The cd burning capabilities are NOT in iTunes but in Mac OSX. All iTunes does is bundle up cp, mv
Just like anything XML is just a shell for data. Quicktime is open. it's sorenson that's closed. And it's no "if's" about it. Quicktime is simply a wrapper.
safari, zeroconf and quartz too, they aren't technical inovations that apple came up with. They pulled in the knowledge from somewhere else and are improving on it, not like MS would, but keeping some things opensource, and certainly not doing it by over-intigration.
As you say: Next!
You do realize, that apple is keeping the experience to themselves and leaving the technical mumbo-jumbo to the developers.
iTunes is just a shell for mp3
quicktime is just a shell for various codecs
safari is just a kde technology rewrapped
quartz just uses opengl
The only inovation that apple sells, is the asthetics and experience.
Honestly? I see TiVo as an apple-like company. They make a good product, with a lot of good features. They are integrating with the right people.
As for trouble, there's prolly gonna be trouble until there's a solution that's been tried and convicted or vindicated. Look at napster. Napster "failed" and look at kazaa, they had to go further offshore. Look at DeCSS. And even then, there might still be trouble, though significantly less.
Which year is the question
Microsoft is the butt of many jokes just like IBM + OS/2 once was. Same as FreeBSD. Only the zealots would actually believe it.
Besides, wouldn't it be funny if your watch actually crashed, or to use your watch, you needed a DRM arm? It's just horse play. No one's eye is going to be taken out.
Now all we need is for MS to pervert it. Woops, too late.
Nono, you got the mantra wrong.
Maybe we can port NetBSD to it.
Geee, tnx. Remind me to mod you down forever.
-bob@bob.com
To reply to a troll, 'cause apparently the post i replied to couldn't figure it out either.
You know, you and someone else posted the article text into slashdot at the same time. Is this equiv of a dupe story by the editors? :)
Because the world doesn't revolve around apache and php.
Seriously. I installed KDE, GNOME, other window managers, other software. Some worked great for my girlfriend, some didin't. But not once, not even once, did she ask who to go to when she had a question.
Sure, there's google, but who is to think of hunting down xmms's main site, writing a question and waiting a day or two. Whta if I wanted my answer yesterday? Part of the problem is, there is no fast support, much less obvious support.
"I'm sorry, my browswer isn't broken, it just don't 'work' like konq does. For some odd reason makes fun of me and keeps spinning it's head around. Worst part of it is, it wants me to read all my pages in latin!"
Sorry, I'm a mozilla fan and thought how funny and strange that konqueror is so perfect
Because, sometimes we have to prevent even the smallest of our liberties from being taken away. Otherwise, we may miss them, or worse, have more taken away. Not saying that everyone who overreacts is bad, but sitting idly and not speculating is much much worse.
Do you trust the travelling salesman?
Yes/No. Everything isn't black and white.
What if the logs were to enforce the dmca (dcma, whatever)? What if it was used to help track down a person who was stalking someone else? What if it was used to track down a terrorist?
What about a law that bans all guns? One place did it and gun usage went up. Old addage of banning one thing makes all users outlaws or something.
Point is, Preventing one crime can cause another.