Even CP that is animated is banned just as harshly and you coded it. No one was harmed in that production but it doesn't matter to the ban happy people because it is "the principal" of it.
That is one of the classic continuum fallacies. Because the gender was wrong, then the whole argument must be wrong. Also closely related is that the debater has gotten one fact wrong therefore you cannot believe anything he says. These techniques are used when the argument itself is just so damned airtight that you have nothing to refute it. So you ridicule it (ad hominem), appeal to authority (you got it right not the debater so he's wrong on all accounts), and if you have the position/authority should those 2 not work, you appeal to the stick (It's this way and if you don't like it I'll kick your ass). Basically the OP has a solid argument that can't really be refuted by anything other than "I watch that stuff cause I want to." An argument why any of that gore would be beneficial just really can't be made. Someone prove me wrong! I bet all you can come up with is "cause I want to." If this data was not on a public facing goretube website one could make an argument that it beneficial for educating interested parties like forensic analysts, biologists, or a future criminal wanting to know exactly how to kill someone. However, this is right out in the open like youtube. This is merely entertainment of a horribly disturbing nature. I agree with OP. If this stuff gets your dick hard, you got some problems. You should seek therapy.
Now in before the haters: I understand that "cause I want to" is a reason which is your right (at least in the USA). I defended that right for you (you're welcome). However I will not accept it as being logically valid nor even worthy of any kind of debate because it adds no insight into why you hold your position. I bet plenty of you growing up had your parents tell you "because" isn't an answer. It's not and neither was "cause I want to."
note: the use of you/your/you're is not directly referring to Motard. I agree with him.
There that is again! What the hell does "taking the piss" even mean? And why would anyone want to take the piss? I often want to take A piss but not THE piss. British slang is British:)
Linking the specific post is as easy as clicking the number in the parenthesis after the time/date stamp in the title bar and then copying that pages address into your link. The post you just made is #44304295 so to get it you would a href ="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3981101&cid=44304295" which results in This.
While that whole statement seems fitting to your username, I am finding it hard to see what you're saying. Care to clarify in a less philosophical manner?
Wow. This is truly a bipartisan effort. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. You're the only person here who listed this. My mod points expired yesterday. Someone else throw this guy a point!
Given the fickleness of humans and our ability to be whipped up into a frenzy over practically nothing, do you believe for one second that Congress couldn't get something codified into an amendment? Hell they managed to ban alchohol at one time and a whole lot of the general populace loves some alcohol. So even if they did get the amendment passed which fulfilled the criteria you stated above, then you and people like you, would simply start screaming that it was rigged or someone got paid off or whatever because the verdict doesn't line up with the outcome you believe is the correct one. Don't misunderstand me here though, I don't approve of this anymore than you do. However I agree with one of the other highly modded posters here, hairyfeet, that you cannot fix a corrupt system by working within that system. If you are stuck in that system as we are, then don't fix it- BREAK IT. Overload it until it won't work anymore (cause it does work, just not how we want it to). Once it collapses, then you can rebuild it. Being on slashdot, you've probably fixed a computer or 2 in your day. Most computer viruses can be repaired without completely erasing the storage medium. There comes a time however when the OS gets so fucked up that formatting the thing and reinstalling is the most productive course of action. Also the correct fix for a lot of computer issues is simply rebooting it. I posit that our gov needs rebooting and if that doesn't clear the problem up, we format it. I am not however a revolutionary. I'm not advocating we start the format today. Eventually though it will get so screwed up we won't have a choice. This is reality based in history and to be honest I hope I am history before all this fecal matter hits the rotating blades.
Which all sounds like a bunch of smoke and mirrors bullshit to me. Kind of like that anarchosyndicalist commune bit in Monty Python. AC's point still stands.
I would love to donate to thier cause but then I'd be put on a list for increased surveillance because I sided with someone the gov doesn't like. Sounds like tin foil hattery but then so did PRISM until it came to light....
You kind of answered your own question. You saw the Nike ad, but since you know better than to click it, you just went to Nike.com. They still got your business. If it had been an ad for Adidas, again, you know better than to click it, but you may just stroll on over to the Adidas site. This kind of ad response is hard to measure since you can't really count the clicks (since you know better), but as the advertiser you want to know if your campaign was successful so they have resorted to this kind of tracking that will correlate that you were just on a page that served a Nike ad, didn't click it but then surfed over to Nike.com. The end result is the same. Does foniksonik's specific scenario happen? Probably. You might know better but you seriously can't think of any tech support issues with grandma or some non-savvy person that you have run across over the years? Businesses exist to make money. If spamming the shit out of the internet didn't work, then they wouldn't waste profit on it. So someone has to be clicking those ads. With all of that said, advertisers need to die in a fire. I can't tell which are worse: politicians, marketers, or lawyers.
I don't miss the point at all. You are arguing from a position of ignorance. You claim OSC is just spouting off at the mouth but he is actually an active member of anti-gay lobbying organizations. Whatever money he makes, whether it is royalties or a set amount matters not. He will use some of that money to advance his agenda in a real and measurable way. He will harm my friends. I am not ok with that. If he has already been paid and the movie flops then maybe he won't get a sequel. Either way he has been deprived of my money which makes me part of the solution and not the problem. That in no way absolves me of further action and if I see it again, I'll step up to the plate again.
I don't recall claiming his story is not of tolerance, I claim it is mere lip service that he is saying one thing to your face while he's slowly lifting that knife to your back. It's not ironic at all. That is a common attack vector that our police use all the time. That's what undercover agents do. Get in there, get your trust, and then set you up for a fall. I don't play that shit.
My theory on why you are as dismissive of this is and treat it as no big deal is:
It influenced me in a very positive way in promoting tolerance as a youth, because I experienced the story without the context of his personal political views.
Now that you are older, you do not want to ruin those childhood memories which you feel has shaped you into the person you are today. If you admit that this guy is scum then you will feel that maybe you are too. No one wants to ruin their childhood so you just pretend it doesn't exist. This happens to many religious people. All that stuff that was spoonfed to them by the church when they were little and made them who they are get suddenly questioned when the harshness of the real world sets in and they experience extreme loss and pain for the first time. A lot lose thier faith. I am now claiming you don't want to lose yours either (referring to Card). He was a childhood hero to you and you do not want to see the mighty fall. I never had any illusions about him at all so I can see him for what he truly is. If his story of tolerance were a reflection of either his morals or his now regained morals he wouldn't still be pressing his agenda. He would be out apologizing and maybe even helping "the enemy". He doesn't do this therefore his story of tolerance is utter bullshit.
I will not bet against "I'd wager most movie-goers will do the same." because you will win that one. Not because they do not care, but because they are ignorant. They don't know what kind of douche this guy is, so they will get to experience it as you said, without bias. I mean to change that as much as I possibly can and you're getting pissed at all of us in this thread cause it makes your guy look bad and you advocate for him so if he is flawed, you appear flawed.
It looks like overall, we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both firm in our stance so we aren't gonna change either of our minds. The only thing I hope to accomplish is that maybe someone else reading these posts, sees them and it influences them. It could go either way as to which side they take but we can't control that.
I don't read Jack London or HP Lovecraft, sorry. Lethal Weapon was dumb and since I found out about Mel Gibson hatemongering about the same time as the rest of you, I don't watch his shit anymore either. VW's dont appeal to me, so you don't have to worry about that as well. It seems you are wanting to paint me as a hypocrite and I'm afraid you won't be able to do that. If you pay this man any money at all, no matter if the movie is 22 hours of kittens, bunnies, and unicorns gleefully playing under the summer sun, he will take that money and do real life harm to LGBT persons. I will not support that and if you do, regardless of your attitude towards gay people, then you're just paying lip service. Heaven forbid you should have to sacrifice or suffer even minutely to stand by your beliefs. This is one of the many things wrong with this country. "Oh I love X but if it inconvieniences me then I suddenly don't care."
36! My UID is high because I've had to make multiple accounts over the years. Been here on/. since 1999. That post was a reference though to Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2. It's what the conscript & flak trooper units said when you told them to do stuff.
Yeah but isn't Mega the new work of the former Megaupload owner, KimDotCom? He's already been hit by the man once & he has advocated that leakers can use his site all they want to stick it to tha man. That is a big old target for getting shutdown twice. Mega is too high profile at this time, IMHO. I'd look elsewhere.
What the hell!!!! +5 for this shit? Dude, the age old saying goes "Actions speak louder than words." You claiming you don't believe that is the case? He can, indeed, talk about it all he wants. His actions though are leading political groups to get legislation passed to make being gay illegal and subject to punishment. How is this message in anyway important?
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Even CP that is animated is banned just as harshly and you coded it. No one was harmed in that production but it doesn't matter to the ban happy people because it is "the principal" of it.
That is one of the classic continuum fallacies. Because the gender was wrong, then the whole argument must be wrong. Also closely related is that the debater has gotten one fact wrong therefore you cannot believe anything he says. These techniques are used when the argument itself is just so damned airtight that you have nothing to refute it. So you ridicule it (ad hominem), appeal to authority (you got it right not the debater so he's wrong on all accounts), and if you have the position/authority should those 2 not work, you appeal to the stick (It's this way and if you don't like it I'll kick your ass). Basically the OP has a solid argument that can't really be refuted by anything other than "I watch that stuff cause I want to." An argument why any of that gore would be beneficial just really can't be made. Someone prove me wrong! I bet all you can come up with is "cause I want to." If this data was not on a public facing goretube website one could make an argument that it beneficial for educating interested parties like forensic analysts, biologists, or a future criminal wanting to know exactly how to kill someone. However, this is right out in the open like youtube. This is merely entertainment of a horribly disturbing nature. I agree with OP. If this stuff gets your dick hard, you got some problems. You should seek therapy.
Now in before the haters: I understand that "cause I want to" is a reason which is your right (at least in the USA). I defended that right for you (you're welcome). However I will not accept it as being logically valid nor even worthy of any kind of debate because it adds no insight into why you hold your position. I bet plenty of you growing up had your parents tell you "because" isn't an answer. It's not and neither was "cause I want to."
note: the use of you/your/you're is not directly referring to Motard. I agree with him.
There that is again! What the hell does "taking the piss" even mean? And why would anyone want to take the piss? I often want to take A piss but not THE piss. British slang is British :)
Sorry guy, he sounds more like a Warrior than a Paladin.
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Linking the specific post is as easy as clicking the number in the parenthesis after the time/date stamp in the title bar and then copying that pages address into your link. The post you just made is #44304295 so to get it you would a href ="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3981101&cid=44304295" which results in This.
We could even call it the GTW just to make talking about it easier!
While that whole statement seems fitting to your username, I am finding it hard to see what you're saying. Care to clarify in a less philosophical manner?
Wow. This is truly a bipartisan effort. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. You're the only person here who listed this. My mod points expired yesterday. Someone else throw this guy a point!
You watched World War Z didn't you?
Given the fickleness of humans and our ability to be whipped up into a frenzy over practically nothing, do you believe for one second that Congress couldn't get something codified into an amendment? Hell they managed to ban alchohol at one time and a whole lot of the general populace loves some alcohol. So even if they did get the amendment passed which fulfilled the criteria you stated above, then you and people like you, would simply start screaming that it was rigged or someone got paid off or whatever because the verdict doesn't line up with the outcome you believe is the correct one. Don't misunderstand me here though, I don't approve of this anymore than you do. However I agree with one of the other highly modded posters here, hairyfeet, that you cannot fix a corrupt system by working within that system. If you are stuck in that system as we are, then don't fix it- BREAK IT. Overload it until it won't work anymore (cause it does work, just not how we want it to). Once it collapses, then you can rebuild it. Being on slashdot, you've probably fixed a computer or 2 in your day. Most computer viruses can be repaired without completely erasing the storage medium. There comes a time however when the OS gets so fucked up that formatting the thing and reinstalling is the most productive course of action. Also the correct fix for a lot of computer issues is simply rebooting it. I posit that our gov needs rebooting and if that doesn't clear the problem up, we format it. I am not however a revolutionary. I'm not advocating we start the format today. Eventually though it will get so screwed up we won't have a choice. This is reality based in history and to be honest I hope I am history before all this fecal matter hits the rotating blades.
Which all sounds like a bunch of smoke and mirrors bullshit to me. Kind of like that anarchosyndicalist commune bit in Monty Python. AC's point still stands.
No need to reply to my original post. I saw your retort several posts after I made that one.
I would love to donate to thier cause but then I'd be put on a list for increased surveillance because I sided with someone the gov doesn't like. Sounds like tin foil hattery but then so did PRISM until it came to light....
You kind of answered your own question. You saw the Nike ad, but since you know better than to click it, you just went to Nike.com. They still got your business. If it had been an ad for Adidas, again, you know better than to click it, but you may just stroll on over to the Adidas site. This kind of ad response is hard to measure since you can't really count the clicks (since you know better), but as the advertiser you want to know if your campaign was successful so they have resorted to this kind of tracking that will correlate that you were just on a page that served a Nike ad, didn't click it but then surfed over to Nike.com. The end result is the same. Does foniksonik's specific scenario happen? Probably. You might know better but you seriously can't think of any tech support issues with grandma or some non-savvy person that you have run across over the years? Businesses exist to make money. If spamming the shit out of the internet didn't work, then they wouldn't waste profit on it. So someone has to be clicking those ads. With all of that said, advertisers need to die in a fire. I can't tell which are worse: politicians, marketers, or lawyers.
Why the fuck cant you just log in and say this is entirely offensive.
I support the fact you have spoken at all, but you are still deferring to the oppressors.
stand the fuck up and punch the login button.
Says the anonymous coward
That is why experienced and highly intelligent bosses, like myself, use 1 2 3 4 5!
At least if you are a college intern, you are actually paying to work (tuition for the class).
I don't recall claiming his story is not of tolerance, I claim it is mere lip service that he is saying one thing to your face while he's slowly lifting that knife to your back. It's not ironic at all. That is a common attack vector that our police use all the time. That's what undercover agents do. Get in there, get your trust, and then set you up for a fall. I don't play that shit.
My theory on why you are as dismissive of this is and treat it as no big deal is:
Now that you are older, you do not want to ruin those childhood memories which you feel has shaped you into the person you are today. If you admit that this guy is scum then you will feel that maybe you are too. No one wants to ruin their childhood so you just pretend it doesn't exist. This happens to many religious people. All that stuff that was spoonfed to them by the church when they were little and made them who they are get suddenly questioned when the harshness of the real world sets in and they experience extreme loss and pain for the first time. A lot lose thier faith. I am now claiming you don't want to lose yours either (referring to Card). He was a childhood hero to you and you do not want to see the mighty fall. I never had any illusions about him at all so I can see him for what he truly is. If his story of tolerance were a reflection of either his morals or his now regained morals he wouldn't still be pressing his agenda. He would be out apologizing and maybe even helping "the enemy". He doesn't do this therefore his story of tolerance is utter bullshit.
I will not bet against "I'd wager most movie-goers will do the same." because you will win that one. Not because they do not care, but because they are ignorant. They don't know what kind of douche this guy is, so they will get to experience it as you said, without bias. I mean to change that as much as I possibly can and you're getting pissed at all of us in this thread cause it makes your guy look bad and you advocate for him so if he is flawed, you appear flawed.
It looks like overall, we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. We are both firm in our stance so we aren't gonna change either of our minds. The only thing I hope to accomplish is that maybe someone else reading these posts, sees them and it influences them. It could go either way as to which side they take but we can't control that.
Fascinating. I shall look into this further. Thanks for a most insightful post!
I don't read Jack London or HP Lovecraft, sorry. Lethal Weapon was dumb and since I found out about Mel Gibson hatemongering about the same time as the rest of you, I don't watch his shit anymore either. VW's dont appeal to me, so you don't have to worry about that as well. It seems you are wanting to paint me as a hypocrite and I'm afraid you won't be able to do that. If you pay this man any money at all, no matter if the movie is 22 hours of kittens, bunnies, and unicorns gleefully playing under the summer sun, he will take that money and do real life harm to LGBT persons. I will not support that and if you do, regardless of your attitude towards gay people, then you're just paying lip service. Heaven forbid you should have to sacrifice or suffer even minutely to stand by your beliefs. This is one of the many things wrong with this country. "Oh I love X but if it inconvieniences me then I suddenly don't care."
36! My UID is high because I've had to make multiple accounts over the years. Been here on /. since 1999. That post was a reference though to Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2. It's what the conscript & flak trooper units said when you told them to do stuff.
Yeah but isn't Mega the new work of the former Megaupload owner, KimDotCom? He's already been hit by the man once & he has advocated that leakers can use his site all they want to stick it to tha man. That is a big old target for getting shutdown twice. Mega is too high profile at this time, IMHO. I'd look elsewhere.
What the hell!!!! +5 for this shit? Dude, the age old saying goes "Actions speak louder than words." You claiming you don't believe that is the case? He can, indeed, talk about it all he wants. His actions though are leading political groups to get legislation passed to make being gay illegal and subject to punishment. How is this message in anyway important?