Bull pussy. He crossed the line from just expressing an opinion, which is all our right, to actually trying to attempt change by criminalizing being gay and jailing those that are. He is actually in those kinds of groups, man. A million other posters here have all the cites you'll need. So yeah, he can sit there and call them fags all day but actually trying to make it a crime to be one? Hell no, we'll push back as we should! Those advocating gay rights would indeed be hypocritical intolerant asshats like him if we wanted to opress him for being straight, but that's not what's being advocated by us. LBGT groups want exactly the same rights as him, no more, no less. That is not intolerance.
You sound like someone who may have some insight into a little thought experiment I've been having this thread. I did not have a religious service for my marriage because I am not religious. I just went, got the cert, and had the justice sign it. Took 10 minutes from start to finish. Not even a kiss the bride- romantic I know:D You have multiple persons you love and care about but the gov won't recognize those. So for people that can't get married or hate the dogma surounded by it, why not set up a corporation(which is the closest to a family contract we have right now)? The corp has the assets, the liability, has to provide all the insurance for the "workers" and whatnot. The corp can provide for whatever the bigots won't allow and they get better tax benefits than just plain old married people! If you should want to get divorced, you simply dissolve the corp and divvy up the liquidated assets. Has anyone done this? I think it would be a spectacular way to poke "the Man" in the eye for being such assholes and it is totally legal, 100% Whadda ya think?
Yeah but his honest opinion has been turned into his honest effort to incarcerate people for fucking the wrong people. You can, indeed, say what you want and hold that opinion but he crosses the line when he actually tries to enforce it. The 10 bucks you give him for that movie could potentially be $10 used to send a gay person to jail. If you don't care about that, or even side with him, then gather up all your buddies and go see it a dozen times. If you do not agree, however, you don't go see it and try to influence as many others to not see it. If you pick the always available third option of doing nothing (not caring) then why did you even bother to post? This thread should have bored you hours ago. Now you claim simultaniously that you don't agree with him but you see where he's coming from. You know what that means don't you? You agree with him at least a little but won't just come out and say it. You also say you're gonna go see the movie anyway, even knowing what you know now, so you know what that means? You agree with him but won't just come out and say it. I too prefer honest bigots, but I sure don't seem to be finding one in this post. I also don't seem to be finding any devious do-gooders. So what was your point?
Sounds to me like our dollars weren't wasted either. He seems more educated on social issues than you. He is educated in the spirit of the law & the social issues that are relevent to his time. Usually when it is convienient to your side, you'll always go with the spirit of the law and commend the DoJ for agreeing. But when it doesn't suit you? Oh no you switch to a technical reading of document. Which one is it? Oh yeah, whichever one makes you look good and get what you want! Having cake and eating it too. I frown on your shenanigans.
Are you claiming that the DoI isn't "the constitution or the papers by the framers supporting it."? Thomas Jefferson wrote the damned thing! He had nothing to do with the Constitution? He didn't support it? The DoI wasn't the initial thrust into us becoming the nation that we are? PREPOSTEROUS! Yeah it isn't law, but when your side sees fit, you will scream Federalist Papers this, Thomas Paine that, Don't Tread On Me. But when we do it? Well fuck us, that shit doesn't matter cause only the Constitution is right. I take offense to that and call you out right here. You have not in anyway been able to refute his statements nor furthered your own so you've resorted to Appeals of Ignorance and Ad Hominem. When all you got left is to call someone stupid, YOU. HAVE. LOST.
And it means nothing. It is all lip service. He says out of one side of his mouth to love them all and be tolerant but then hate them all and incarcerate them. You really can't see why people want this guy to be relegated in obscurity? I realize this a work of fiction, but real world implications happen when you support his "art". It matters absolutely not one bit what the hell his book is about. For me, he is not worthy of any support. You go ahead and keep cheerleading though. That is your right.
Luckily I didn't have this conundrum back in the 80's when I eagerly purchased his books.
Luckily? LUCKILY??? You just stated that you do not support his views and that you will not finacially support them now. I am in this camp along with you. It is ok to have bought his books before you knew, it happens to all of us. But now that you do know, you wish you didn't know cause as a kid you really did like it and didn't have a conundrum? If you truly feel that this guy is scum, then you should have said "Regretably I didn't have the conundrum" or sadly or a myriad of other words to choose from but you picked luckily. There is no negative connotations associated with luckily so when you say that you imply that ignorance is bliss and if you didn't find this out today, you'd still happily consume. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you picked the wrong word in that statement and are not simply paying lip service to a cause you don't truly care about. If you don't care about it that is fine. Say what you mean Sir!
I agree with you on a lot of things, I even agree with you on most of this post but I would like to point out:
If I choose to tell Mr. Card to fuck off today, but go to a Chic Fil A tomorrow, that doesn't mean I don't support gay rights... it just means I place more value on not being hungry than not being entertained.
I have to beg to differ here! It doesn't mean you value not being hungry more than entertainment. It means you lack conviction to your cause! You are not willing to sacrifice, to suffer even, to further the goals you profess to uphold. That stance makes it seem that you only care about the cause as long as it doesn't inconvienience you. I don't care how hungry I am, I will not buy a damned thing from Card OR Chick Fil A (and many others). Those 2 entities will use my hard earned money to hurt the people that I care about. I WILL NOT ENABLE THIS! That makes me a hypocrite and makes me partly responsible! You do not give your executioner the bullets to put through your skull. That is stupid. And if indeed you will be eating some chick fil a tomorrow instead of many of the alternatives available to you, I will lose respect for you (not that you care) and I will know from now on that whatever you say is merely lip service. There comes a time when you must stand up for something you believe in and suffer for the cause. Loyalty is a human trait that seems to be in short supply these days.
They propably wouldn't have bothered with Sci-fi(that's not in the bible)
The regular masses would tell you that you are correct, however, for anyone who has thoughroughly read the Bible, you will find it is indeed full of all kinds of sci-fi! Take a look at The Skeptic's Bible for all kinds of awesome linkage pointing to everything from multiple Gods, giants, UFO's, and all sorts of other stuff. Besides those little known gems though, common themes are giant man eating fish (Job), worldwide floods, people rising from the dead, and have you even read Revelations? It's ALL sci-fi!!!!!
Since I know his inhuman attitude I did not even reread the books of him I already own.
Buying that stuff before you knew about it is fine. We do that all the time because you really can't know everything about anything. However, now that you DO know and have taken the stance that is revolting and non-deserving of your time & money (as I feel as well), take the final 60s you'll ever waste on the fool and get those books from your shelf and throw them directly into the trash. Don't even donate them to Goodwill, the Library, or your local used book store. Just trash them and chalk it up as a loss. His voice & influence is forgotten and lost when it has been ignored down into the noise floor.
Oh bull pussy! Spin this thread a little faster. I'm only mildly dizzy and still haven't tossed my lunch yet.
You know it, I know it, and everyone else here knows that language as used above was meant to incite feelings of revolt. He even said amended his first claim with "by whatever means is made possible or necessary." If he wanted to vote out the offending "regime" which btw carries a negative connotation as in it isn't legit, then he would have said for his viewers/followers/whatevs to go vote them out. He didn't say that though did he? You're deflecting and attempting a whitewash of the past.
In Soviet Russia, they are called conscripts and not contractors. Work is difficult, often with complaints of "This thing is heavy" but after awhile, they followed them up with praise like "At least we have job!" & "For Mother Russia!" so it all turned out well in end.
The only regulation that the West Texas fertilizer plant should have had, was to not put it right in the middle of the damned town. They cannot claim ignorance as they installed audible sirens to warn of an impending disaster yet continued to build high occupancy buildings near by (the schools and retirement homes). This is a fine example of corporate greed.
Nope but if you drive a Japanese car, you can talk about how awesome of an American car it is, and how shitty that Mexican Chevrolet is. Don't you love it when reality gets all mixed up!
Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. If I went round sayin I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Come see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
Whatever phone you choose, you go to XDA devs website, droidforums, and the like and read to make sure that all the features you want work on the phone you chose. Many ROMs will not be 100% functional except on the device the developer used. I have the Moto Droid 4 with the locked bootloader and no ROM that I can find will operate every piece of hardware properly. One of the ROMs can't make the GPS work, another can't get the camera to work, some are buggy as hell. Just read those forums and make sure it is soemthing you can live without. Personally, I don't want a device that doesn't function at least as well as built. For this reason I have my Droid rooted but it still runs that crappy Motoblur and guess what? The camera works, the GPS works, and I stripped most of the bloatware so the UI isn't laggy. I was trying to uprade ROMs this past January so maybe by now they have finally work the bugs out. Cyanogenmod of any version wasn't fully compatible. I HOPE someone on here can prove me wrong cause I'd love a stripped ROM.
This is an absolutely awesome nerd explanation and one of the reasons I still frequent this site. However, you have a 6 digit UID so you can't be new here. Please in traditional slashdot style, make an equally epic analogy using a car. I expect the resultant analogy to be akin to a Mustang with a Delorean engine, Citroen running gear, Allison transmission, and some sort of JATO rocket sticking out of the trunk. DON'T LET ME DOWN!!!!!!
Huh, thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't ever heard of it. I just posted several threads up that I missed Progman & Fileman. Guess I have a replacement now. THANKS!
I actually do miss Progman & Fileman. I enjoy putting things in little boxes and fencing them off from the things that don't match. I can't be the only OCD person on this site.
Your computer was ASSEMBLED in TX. The motherboards and all the components are made in the Far East, mostly China. You're part of the "problem" whether you want to admit it or not. (I don't think there is a "problem" though)
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Fuck that! If you are gonna waste neurons on that piece of shite, then just torrent it. Every pirated download is a lost sale so claimeth the MPAA.
Bull pussy. He crossed the line from just expressing an opinion, which is all our right, to actually trying to attempt change by criminalizing being gay and jailing those that are. He is actually in those kinds of groups, man. A million other posters here have all the cites you'll need. So yeah, he can sit there and call them fags all day but actually trying to make it a crime to be one? Hell no, we'll push back as we should! Those advocating gay rights would indeed be hypocritical intolerant asshats like him if we wanted to opress him for being straight, but that's not what's being advocated by us. LBGT groups want exactly the same rights as him, no more, no less. That is not intolerance.
You sound like someone who may have some insight into a little thought experiment I've been having this thread. I did not have a religious service for my marriage because I am not religious. I just went, got the cert, and had the justice sign it. Took 10 minutes from start to finish. Not even a kiss the bride- romantic I know :D You have multiple persons you love and care about but the gov won't recognize those. So for people that can't get married or hate the dogma surounded by it, why not set up a corporation(which is the closest to a family contract we have right now)? The corp has the assets, the liability, has to provide all the insurance for the "workers" and whatnot. The corp can provide for whatever the bigots won't allow and they get better tax benefits than just plain old married people! If you should want to get divorced, you simply dissolve the corp and divvy up the liquidated assets. Has anyone done this? I think it would be a spectacular way to poke "the Man" in the eye for being such assholes and it is totally legal, 100% Whadda ya think?
Yeah but his honest opinion has been turned into his honest effort to incarcerate people for fucking the wrong people. You can, indeed, say what you want and hold that opinion but he crosses the line when he actually tries to enforce it. The 10 bucks you give him for that movie could potentially be $10 used to send a gay person to jail. If you don't care about that, or even side with him, then gather up all your buddies and go see it a dozen times. If you do not agree, however, you don't go see it and try to influence as many others to not see it. If you pick the always available third option of doing nothing (not caring) then why did you even bother to post? This thread should have bored you hours ago. Now you claim simultaniously that you don't agree with him but you see where he's coming from. You know what that means don't you? You agree with him at least a little but won't just come out and say it. You also say you're gonna go see the movie anyway, even knowing what you know now, so you know what that means? You agree with him but won't just come out and say it. I too prefer honest bigots, but I sure don't seem to be finding one in this post. I also don't seem to be finding any devious do-gooders. So what was your point?
Sounds to me like our dollars weren't wasted either. He seems more educated on social issues than you. He is educated in the spirit of the law & the social issues that are relevent to his time. Usually when it is convienient to your side, you'll always go with the spirit of the law and commend the DoJ for agreeing. But when it doesn't suit you? Oh no you switch to a technical reading of document. Which one is it? Oh yeah, whichever one makes you look good and get what you want! Having cake and eating it too. I frown on your shenanigans.
Are you claiming that the DoI isn't "the constitution or the papers by the framers supporting it."? Thomas Jefferson wrote the damned thing! He had nothing to do with the Constitution? He didn't support it? The DoI wasn't the initial thrust into us becoming the nation that we are? PREPOSTEROUS! Yeah it isn't law, but when your side sees fit, you will scream Federalist Papers this, Thomas Paine that, Don't Tread On Me. But when we do it? Well fuck us, that shit doesn't matter cause only the Constitution is right. I take offense to that and call you out right here. You have not in anyway been able to refute his statements nor furthered your own so you've resorted to Appeals of Ignorance and Ad Hominem. When all you got left is to call someone stupid, YOU. HAVE. LOST.
And it means nothing. It is all lip service. He says out of one side of his mouth to love them all and be tolerant but then hate them all and incarcerate them. You really can't see why people want this guy to be relegated in obscurity? I realize this a work of fiction, but real world implications happen when you support his "art". It matters absolutely not one bit what the hell his book is about. For me, he is not worthy of any support. You go ahead and keep cheerleading though. That is your right.
Luckily? LUCKILY??? You just stated that you do not support his views and that you will not finacially support them now. I am in this camp along with you. It is ok to have bought his books before you knew, it happens to all of us. But now that you do know, you wish you didn't know cause as a kid you really did like it and didn't have a conundrum? If you truly feel that this guy is scum, then you should have said "Regretably I didn't have the conundrum" or sadly or a myriad of other words to choose from but you picked luckily. There is no negative connotations associated with luckily so when you say that you imply that ignorance is bliss and if you didn't find this out today, you'd still happily consume. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you picked the wrong word in that statement and are not simply paying lip service to a cause you don't truly care about. If you don't care about it that is fine. Say what you mean Sir!
I have to beg to differ here! It doesn't mean you value not being hungry more than entertainment. It means you lack conviction to your cause! You are not willing to sacrifice, to suffer even, to further the goals you profess to uphold. That stance makes it seem that you only care about the cause as long as it doesn't inconvienience you. I don't care how hungry I am, I will not buy a damned thing from Card OR Chick Fil A (and many others). Those 2 entities will use my hard earned money to hurt the people that I care about. I WILL NOT ENABLE THIS! That makes me a hypocrite and makes me partly responsible! You do not give your executioner the bullets to put through your skull. That is stupid. And if indeed you will be eating some chick fil a tomorrow instead of many of the alternatives available to you, I will lose respect for you (not that you care) and I will know from now on that whatever you say is merely lip service. There comes a time when you must stand up for something you believe in and suffer for the cause. Loyalty is a human trait that seems to be in short supply these days.
GRRRRR my link didn't come out right. Try again
The regular masses would tell you that you are correct, however, for anyone who has thoughroughly read the Bible, you will find it is indeed full of all kinds of sci-fi! Take a look at The Skeptic's Bible for all kinds of awesome linkage pointing to everything from multiple Gods, giants, UFO's, and all sorts of other stuff. Besides those little known gems though, common themes are giant man eating fish (Job), worldwide floods, people rising from the dead, and have you even read Revelations? It's ALL sci-fi!!!!!
Buying that stuff before you knew about it is fine. We do that all the time because you really can't know everything about anything. However, now that you DO know and have taken the stance that is revolting and non-deserving of your time & money (as I feel as well), take the final 60s you'll ever waste on the fool and get those books from your shelf and throw them directly into the trash. Don't even donate them to Goodwill, the Library, or your local used book store. Just trash them and chalk it up as a loss. His voice & influence is forgotten and lost when it has been ignored down into the noise floor.
Oh bull pussy! Spin this thread a little faster. I'm only mildly dizzy and still haven't tossed my lunch yet.
You know it, I know it, and everyone else here knows that language as used above was meant to incite feelings of revolt. He even said amended his first claim with "by whatever means is made possible or necessary." If he wanted to vote out the offending "regime" which btw carries a negative connotation as in it isn't legit, then he would have said for his viewers/followers/whatevs to go vote them out. He didn't say that though did he? You're deflecting and attempting a whitewash of the past.
In Soviet Russia, they are called conscripts and not contractors. Work is difficult, often with complaints of "This thing is heavy" but after awhile, they followed them up with praise like "At least we have job!" & "For Mother Russia!" so it all turned out well in end.
The only regulation that the West Texas fertilizer plant should have had, was to not put it right in the middle of the damned town. They cannot claim ignorance as they installed audible sirens to warn of an impending disaster yet continued to build high occupancy buildings near by (the schools and retirement homes). This is a fine example of corporate greed.
Nope but if you drive a Japanese car, you can talk about how awesome of an American car it is, and how shitty that Mexican Chevrolet is. Don't you love it when reality gets all mixed up!
He said Olympic SWIMMING pools, not cess pools. The units don't convert.
Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. If I went round sayin I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Come see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
This right here, is one of the only times horrible grammar is actually on topic and warranted. This does not compute!
Whatever phone you choose, you go to XDA devs website, droidforums, and the like and read to make sure that all the features you want work on the phone you chose. Many ROMs will not be 100% functional except on the device the developer used. I have the Moto Droid 4 with the locked bootloader and no ROM that I can find will operate every piece of hardware properly. One of the ROMs can't make the GPS work, another can't get the camera to work, some are buggy as hell. Just read those forums and make sure it is soemthing you can live without. Personally, I don't want a device that doesn't function at least as well as built. For this reason I have my Droid rooted but it still runs that crappy Motoblur and guess what? The camera works, the GPS works, and I stripped most of the bloatware so the UI isn't laggy. I was trying to uprade ROMs this past January so maybe by now they have finally work the bugs out. Cyanogenmod of any version wasn't fully compatible. I HOPE someone on here can prove me wrong cause I'd love a stripped ROM.
This is an absolutely awesome nerd explanation and one of the reasons I still frequent this site. However, you have a 6 digit UID so you can't be new here. Please in traditional slashdot style, make an equally epic analogy using a car. I expect the resultant analogy to be akin to a Mustang with a Delorean engine, Citroen running gear, Allison transmission, and some sort of JATO rocket sticking out of the trunk. DON'T LET ME DOWN!!!!!!
Don't give us that crap, Sheriff. We all know good and well you drive a 1978 Dodge Monaco! A velomobile! That's just funny. COOO COOOO COOOOOOO!
Huh, thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't ever heard of it. I just posted several threads up that I missed Progman & Fileman. Guess I have a replacement now. THANKS!
I actually do miss Progman & Fileman. I enjoy putting things in little boxes and fencing them off from the things that don't match. I can't be the only OCD person on this site.
So what? We all know the mitochondria are what instill the powers of the Force so IMHO they are the most important 0.00052%!
Your computer was ASSEMBLED in TX. The motherboards and all the components are made in the Far East, mostly China. You're part of the "problem" whether you want to admit it or not. (I don't think there is a "problem" though)