Your make not not take point is valid however you have to follow how the verbage is written to fully see what's going on. I am certain they do this to confuse us laymen. Anyway, it specifically says they can't coin money so your claim that they can as long as it is gold or silver is incorrect. You don't think any of the States through out these years would have passed on a chance to make thier own coinage as long as it was gold or silver? Well they were doing that before we all united but stopped afterwards. This wasn't just a change of heart. They were forced to.
Your first response may be that if you divide up the section using the semicolons and then read them all separately I'll understand. You'd be correct there so let's see what we end up with:
"No state shall...coin money"
"No state shall...make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts"
Those 2 statements appear to contradict each other but you have to draw the logic out a bit. If I cannot make a coin but I also can't make anything else not gold or silver a tender for payment then what do I use? The answer is: whatever the Fed gov has available that is gold and/or silver because ultimately the States have a debt to the Fed to pay and they want gold or silver. This is what shut down the independant mints. They couldn't make coins period. It's right there. That second phrase is there to stop the states from demanding that it's citizens pay with something that they may not have. Back then you could pay taxes with bales of hemp, tobacco, cotton, sugar and probably a whole lot of other stuff. But if I don't have those things to pay my taxes with, what do I do? I guess I buy them from one of the dealers of that commodity. We all know if you involve a middle man he will take his cut and so if I have to pay for the priveledge of paying my taxes (cause I have a conversion fee from the commodity dealer) then it can become extortionate. I do not know with any certainty that at the time any particular state was ONLY accepting the bartered commodity of the day but that was a forseen possibility by the founders and so they just nipped that one in the butt just in case.
I read your statements no less than 3 times and I am not even sure what your argument precisely is. Are you claiming that paying the govenrment in anything other than gold and silver is illegal via the Constitution? That's the only point I noticed you seemed to make. You did bold those parts afterall.
Well if that was your argument, ask Tupper Saussy how that worked out. He made that exact same argument in his book The Miracle on Mainstreet going so far as to actually stop paying his taxes. He even told the authorities that he would be delighted to pay them just as soon as they showed him which bank exactly would give him gold and/or silver coins for his fiat dollars. Your logic and his logic regarding that particular part of the Constitution is pretty solid. So that may be true, but it doesn't matter! When he got to court the judge just flatly said, we're the gov, we told you these dollars are your official currency, we will be paid in dollars, and since you refused to pay taxes that you owed, you get sentenced to a year in an Atlanta penetentiary (which he skipped out on and went on the run!). It is of a similar vein to whoever-it-was that took his case against Income Tax to the Supreme Court. He lost and so did Saussy.
When dealing with the Government, it doesn't matter what kind of insanely sound and well reasoned arguments you can come up with. They have the guns, so they get to tell you what to do period. If you don't like it, I have been told there is a 4 box method available to resolve it. Personally, like most everyone else, I stop bitching and pay my damned taxes (not to imply you do not).
While I agree with the overall nature of your post, that last line amounts to 'move along nothing to see here' and we both know that answer is usually just a handwaving distraction. Who decided 3D guns were just a political statement? I never heard anyone but you say that. No, what we see going on right now is good old fashioned hardware hackin going on. These first weapons are being built to see what the limits of the craft are at this moment. As you mentioned, they suck. Do you honestly believe though that we are just gonna go, oh well it sucked ass so we'll throw the technology away? Of course not! Us stubborn humans are gonna keep pushing the limits, redesign whatever piece didn't work right, make us new plastics that will take the abuse, and so on. The 3D printer is one prerequesite technology to having a real life replicator! The ultimate goal is not politics, no, it is a fully functional device that will print out whatever the hell we want, weaponry included. I, for one, cannot wait to own my replicator!
Off topic? Really mods? Turn in your nerd cards if you have never heard of a Swedish sister getting bit by a moose- a majestik one at that! Dammit mods, I really wish I could sack you all....more useless than a herd of 40 specially trained Ecuadorian mountain llamas, 6 Venezuelan red llamas, 142 Mexican whooping llamas, 14 North Chilean guanacos (closely related to the llama), 1 reg llama of Brixton, and 76000 battery llamas from "Llama-Fresh" Farms Ltd near Paraguay!
The point is, YOU AREN'T A REAL GEEK. There are no true Scotsmen either btw. If something is spectacular hardware-wise and you happen to be a software geek then you can see the potential. To use your car analogy, no it isn't good cause you immediately went to the "shop" to fix your problems. Geeks fix and mod our own shit. We don't ever take it to the "shop". If you don't know how to fix your car then yeah, you'll want to buy one that just works. But I happen to be a great mechanic and so I'll take your leaky piece of shit off your hands for a fraction of what you paid for it and I'll fix it, mod it, or do whatever I like to it. My imagination is the limit! I am stoked about this hackerspace culture that is gaining momentum these days. So many of you folks who hate fucking with your gear makes for a great smorgasborg of otherwise awesome hardware that just needs a couple tweaks here or there- all for me! If you have a Samsung SmartTV that pisses you off, I'll give you about tree fiddy for it.
I say this with a bit of trepidation cause my karma may suffer, but THIS. IS. SLASHDOT! You want something that just works, you buy a mac/apple. You wanna play? You get Linux FTW.
No difference at all. You say that because the theory goes that if someone is ignorant, then once they are educated they will then be able to make an informed decision. If I am being willfully ignorant, that does not preclude the possibilty of me making a new informed choice once you have educated me yet again. When people say what you just said, what they are really saying is: "Look at all this education I am throwing at you. Why won't you choose MY side?" That is the problem (and it's a good thing) when you educate someone- they may decide to support the side you are against once all those "facts" are brought to light. Someone taking a stance in opposition to you is not actually being willfully ignorant but many (like yourself) will claim it to be.
I've listened to an out of work man on the radio raging against unemployment when he self-admittedly was about to lose...
I have no idea what you mean by this statement. The whole tone of the post sounds dark and dismal so in keeping with that spirit, are you suggesting that he was gonna lose everything anyway so he shouldn't be on the radio bitching about it? Without more information you could easily conclude he is losing everything because he was unemployed. It appears to me you are countering that notion. Please clarify.
Libertarian is fine- but you need a strong government or it turns facist or oligarchical (because the powerful and wealthy walk over everyone else without a strong government to stop them).
You contradict your own statement, which is the elephant in the room everyone ignores: In order to make Libertarianism work you must be strong (applies to any gov style really). If you are strong then that means you are powerful and most likely wealthy too (money=power). If the powerful and wealthy "walk over everyone" then a government of powerful and wealthy (strong) people will walk over everyone. You in effect have become the thing you hate. This isn't a political problem regarding which party you side with; this problem exists with any humans in the loop. Were you cheerleading Libertarianism or were you trying to make a point? If it is the latter then I am afraid I failed to grasp it. Now from 2 posts up you stated:
"Your lucky to have a job"
"We have flex time, You can work any 80 hours a week you want"
and of course also...
"Full time is 30 hours a week here, so if you want to survive you better expect to work 60-90 hours a week at three different jobs. Heck- we've paired up with another business to employ you 30 hours a week if you work 30 hours a week here just to make it easy for you."
All of these items you listed are exactly what a mostly Libertarian style of society is gonna get you. So I thought you were against it but then you posted that other bit above. Again, what are you trying to say?
Human suffering happens because we are born with so many different competing instincts within us
Ah you and I studied under the teachings of the same philosopher. For those not in the "know", these competing instincts are fear, anger, & hate. The main tenet of this long, long ancient philosophy is: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. It does not matter what causes the fear- the root cause is the fear and everything else follows. Some may say that being fearful is a path on the side of darkness but being a more practical kind of person, I really think that these hokey notions are no match for a good pistol at your side.
Were you pining for the fjords? Eh, anyway that is the least of your problems. If you had been but a few miles away in neighboring Sweden, BEWARE OF MOOSE. The moose there are notorious for being ornery beasts. As a matter of fact, one time a moose bit my sister. It didn't hurt her too much but they are massive beasts and could have killed her if it had chosen to. I really hope that after all of these years of violent moose attacks, someone has sacked them.
Don't think your carb is gonna save you from a runaway vehicle. Stuck throttle linkages happen more often than hacking your car's computer. Carburetors have always been more prone to throttle linkage sticking because they have too damned many linkages. My anecdote: Never once have I had an EFI car get a stuck throttle, wired or drive-by-wire. I have had numerous stickings with my carbs along with breakage of the return spring. Karma be damned but carbs are just garbage. There was a reason they were replaced with EFI.
I don't even know what you are talking about but I just had to do a double take because what I see is a 5 digit UID named hipster........I guess you were posting to/. before it was cool. Tip of the hat to you sir!
Your name has BORG in it! And you talk down about the sharing all your info with the collective? You're supposed to tell the guy that Resistance Is Futile!
PBS is funded by taxes and therefore commie infiltration into our Great American Homes(tm). In America, Capitalism rules the day so if you ain't making a profit, you ain't shit. PBS was about the only channel I could pick up out in the sticks. My childhood would have been alot less fullfilling without it. I mean seriously, who in 1980's America would have ever gotten to see Dr. Who? without PBS? Red Dwarf too.
I never once advocated for any type of bans or stifling of your free speech. I merely contend there is no use for that stuff other than sick entertainment. Nice try though.
I am gonna echo the AC's response of LOL. If insurance was such a low margin business, why was it that the fall of AIG caused a nightmare in our economy and was too damned big to fail? If you have ever had to use insurance of damned near any kind, then you know they weasel thier way out of as many claims as possible. If you can't trust them to pay for your claims as faithfully as you paid your premiums, what makes you think any of thier stated earnings are credible? Hollywood accounting doesn't just happen in Hollywood. I'm sure they're always just as broke and scraping along as Exxon. To only be that destitute!
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Your make not not take point is valid however you have to follow how the verbage is written to fully see what's going on. I am certain they do this to confuse us laymen. Anyway, it specifically says they can't coin money so your claim that they can as long as it is gold or silver is incorrect. You don't think any of the States through out these years would have passed on a chance to make thier own coinage as long as it was gold or silver? Well they were doing that before we all united but stopped afterwards. This wasn't just a change of heart. They were forced to.
Your first response may be that if you divide up the section using the semicolons and then read them all separately I'll understand. You'd be correct there so let's see what we end up with:
"No state shall...coin money"
"No state shall...make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts"
Those 2 statements appear to contradict each other but you have to draw the logic out a bit. If I cannot make a coin but I also can't make anything else not gold or silver a tender for payment then what do I use? The answer is: whatever the Fed gov has available that is gold and/or silver because ultimately the States have a debt to the Fed to pay and they want gold or silver. This is what shut down the independant mints. They couldn't make coins period. It's right there. That second phrase is there to stop the states from demanding that it's citizens pay with something that they may not have. Back then you could pay taxes with bales of hemp, tobacco, cotton, sugar and probably a whole lot of other stuff. But if I don't have those things to pay my taxes with, what do I do? I guess I buy them from one of the dealers of that commodity. We all know if you involve a middle man he will take his cut and so if I have to pay for the priveledge of paying my taxes (cause I have a conversion fee from the commodity dealer) then it can become extortionate. I do not know with any certainty that at the time any particular state was ONLY accepting the bartered commodity of the day but that was a forseen possibility by the founders and so they just nipped that one in the butt just in case.
I read your statements no less than 3 times and I am not even sure what your argument precisely is. Are you claiming that paying the govenrment in anything other than gold and silver is illegal via the Constitution? That's the only point I noticed you seemed to make. You did bold those parts afterall.
Well if that was your argument, ask Tupper Saussy how that worked out. He made that exact same argument in his book The Miracle on Mainstreet going so far as to actually stop paying his taxes. He even told the authorities that he would be delighted to pay them just as soon as they showed him which bank exactly would give him gold and/or silver coins for his fiat dollars. Your logic and his logic regarding that particular part of the Constitution is pretty solid. So that may be true, but it doesn't matter! When he got to court the judge just flatly said, we're the gov, we told you these dollars are your official currency, we will be paid in dollars, and since you refused to pay taxes that you owed, you get sentenced to a year in an Atlanta penetentiary (which he skipped out on and went on the run!). It is of a similar vein to whoever-it-was that took his case against Income Tax to the Supreme Court. He lost and so did Saussy.
When dealing with the Government, it doesn't matter what kind of insanely sound and well reasoned arguments you can come up with. They have the guns, so they get to tell you what to do period. If you don't like it, I have been told there is a 4 box method available to resolve it. Personally, like most everyone else, I stop bitching and pay my damned taxes (not to imply you do not).
Well he probably has the same problem I do- someone took his Swingline. The red ones are particularly known to just up and walk away.
While I agree with the overall nature of your post, that last line amounts to 'move along nothing to see here' and we both know that answer is usually just a handwaving distraction. Who decided 3D guns were just a political statement? I never heard anyone but you say that. No, what we see going on right now is good old fashioned hardware hackin going on. These first weapons are being built to see what the limits of the craft are at this moment. As you mentioned, they suck. Do you honestly believe though that we are just gonna go, oh well it sucked ass so we'll throw the technology away? Of course not! Us stubborn humans are gonna keep pushing the limits, redesign whatever piece didn't work right, make us new plastics that will take the abuse, and so on. The 3D printer is one prerequesite technology to having a real life replicator! The ultimate goal is not politics, no, it is a fully functional device that will print out whatever the hell we want, weaponry included. I, for one, cannot wait to own my replicator!
Off topic? Really mods? Turn in your nerd cards if you have never heard of a Swedish sister getting bit by a moose- a majestik one at that! Dammit mods, I really wish I could sack you all....more useless than a herd of 40 specially trained Ecuadorian mountain llamas, 6 Venezuelan red llamas, 142 Mexican whooping llamas, 14 North Chilean guanacos (closely related to the llama), 1 reg llama of Brixton, and 76000 battery llamas from "Llama-Fresh" Farms Ltd near Paraguay!
It's mother was a hamster and it's father smelt of isotopes!
The point is, YOU AREN'T A REAL GEEK. There are no true Scotsmen either btw. If something is spectacular hardware-wise and you happen to be a software geek then you can see the potential. To use your car analogy, no it isn't good cause you immediately went to the "shop" to fix your problems. Geeks fix and mod our own shit. We don't ever take it to the "shop". If you don't know how to fix your car then yeah, you'll want to buy one that just works. But I happen to be a great mechanic and so I'll take your leaky piece of shit off your hands for a fraction of what you paid for it and I'll fix it, mod it, or do whatever I like to it. My imagination is the limit! I am stoked about this hackerspace culture that is gaining momentum these days. So many of you folks who hate fucking with your gear makes for a great smorgasborg of otherwise awesome hardware that just needs a couple tweaks here or there- all for me! If you have a Samsung SmartTV that pisses you off, I'll give you about tree fiddy for it.
I say this with a bit of trepidation cause my karma may suffer, but THIS. IS. SLASHDOT! You want something that just works, you buy a mac/apple. You wanna play? You get Linux FTW.
No difference at all. You say that because the theory goes that if someone is ignorant, then once they are educated they will then be able to make an informed decision. If I am being willfully ignorant, that does not preclude the possibilty of me making a new informed choice once you have educated me yet again. When people say what you just said, what they are really saying is: "Look at all this education I am throwing at you. Why won't you choose MY side?" That is the problem (and it's a good thing) when you educate someone- they may decide to support the side you are against once all those "facts" are brought to light. Someone taking a stance in opposition to you is not actually being willfully ignorant but many (like yourself) will claim it to be.
I have no idea what you mean by this statement. The whole tone of the post sounds dark and dismal so in keeping with that spirit, are you suggesting that he was gonna lose everything anyway so he shouldn't be on the radio bitching about it? Without more information you could easily conclude he is losing everything because he was unemployed. It appears to me you are countering that notion. Please clarify.
You contradict your own statement, which is the elephant in the room everyone ignores: In order to make Libertarianism work you must be strong (applies to any gov style really). If you are strong then that means you are powerful and most likely wealthy too (money=power). If the powerful and wealthy "walk over everyone" then a government of powerful and wealthy (strong) people will walk over everyone. You in effect have become the thing you hate. This isn't a political problem regarding which party you side with; this problem exists with any humans in the loop. Were you cheerleading Libertarianism or were you trying to make a point? If it is the latter then I am afraid I failed to grasp it. Now from 2 posts up you stated:
All of these items you listed are exactly what a mostly Libertarian style of society is gonna get you. So I thought you were against it but then you posted that other bit above. Again, what are you trying to say?
Ah you and I studied under the teachings of the same philosopher. For those not in the "know", these competing instincts are fear, anger, & hate. The main tenet of this long, long ancient philosophy is: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. It does not matter what causes the fear- the root cause is the fear and everything else follows. Some may say that being fearful is a path on the side of darkness but being a more practical kind of person, I really think that these hokey notions are no match for a good pistol at your side.
Could you point me to a link so that I may purchase such a Lazyboy? One man's trash is another man's treasure!
And "technically correct" is the best kind of correct!
Were you pining for the fjords? Eh, anyway that is the least of your problems. If you had been but a few miles away in neighboring Sweden, BEWARE OF MOOSE. The moose there are notorious for being ornery beasts. As a matter of fact, one time a moose bit my sister. It didn't hurt her too much but they are massive beasts and could have killed her if it had chosen to. I really hope that after all of these years of violent moose attacks, someone has sacked them.
Spread the word! Keep Moose Awareness alive!
I had a beard before beards were cool. They're too mainstream now.
THE NEW BABY ALREADY TALKS??? Holy crap! Royalty does have its perks!
Don't think your carb is gonna save you from a runaway vehicle. Stuck throttle linkages happen more often than hacking your car's computer. Carburetors have always been more prone to throttle linkage sticking because they have too damned many linkages. My anecdote: Never once have I had an EFI car get a stuck throttle, wired or drive-by-wire. I have had numerous stickings with my carbs along with breakage of the return spring. Karma be damned but carbs are just garbage. There was a reason they were replaced with EFI.
I don't even know what you are talking about but I just had to do a double take because what I see is a 5 digit UID named hipster........I guess you were posting to /. before it was cool. Tip of the hat to you sir!
DO NOT put blowjobs and shit in the same sentence. To quote a great philosopher of our time: "You never go ass to mouth." -Dante Hicks.
Your name has BORG in it! And you talk down about the sharing all your info with the collective? You're supposed to tell the guy that Resistance Is Futile!
Casio Gzone Commando is still for sale from Verizon rocking GB.
WHAT?
PBS is funded by taxes and therefore commie infiltration into our Great American Homes(tm). In America, Capitalism rules the day so if you ain't making a profit, you ain't shit. PBS was about the only channel I could pick up out in the sticks. My childhood would have been alot less fullfilling without it. I mean seriously, who in 1980's America would have ever gotten to see Dr. Who? without PBS? Red Dwarf too.
You got that wrong. You should have typed:
THIS IS SLASHDOT! Followed by a swift kick to the groin.
I never once advocated for any type of bans or stifling of your free speech. I merely contend there is no use for that stuff other than sick entertainment. Nice try though.
I am gonna echo the AC's response of LOL. If insurance was such a low margin business, why was it that the fall of AIG caused a nightmare in our economy and was too damned big to fail? If you have ever had to use insurance of damned near any kind, then you know they weasel thier way out of as many claims as possible. If you can't trust them to pay for your claims as faithfully as you paid your premiums, what makes you think any of thier stated earnings are credible? Hollywood accounting doesn't just happen in Hollywood. I'm sure they're always just as broke and scraping along as Exxon. To only be that destitute!