We enable customers to recapture their long-term investment in applications written on UNIX systems for reuse on Windows NT. The INTERIX software platform allows customers to run these UNIX system applications on Windows NT..... Wanted egcs, emacs, gnome, TeX, XView on INTERIX.
can anyone tell me (dzions - chief scientist) why i would need 'interix' emacs for instance on NT when i can get the fsf version that's already ported to native nt? i cant say the same for tex, xview or gnome but why? it just seems a bit of a duplication of effort.
Until, a year later, someone wants not just a feature addon, but a larger change that will require some architectural changes in the software. Now what ? I'm of to Bahamas and can't be reached, and noone else really has any real insight into what goes on in my code.
if they have the source, it can be done. and for sure no one person will have total mindset of the code. this is the beaut thing about oss.
is it just me or do others have a mistrust of money in the development of oss? i cant see it really taking off for for small-meduim projects, but it may have a benifit for large (say a real gnu browser) or will it? with money comes some degree of organisation and rules/regs.
the bazaar method of software development has 'evolved' because it's efficeint. efficeincy in software development means software gets out faster. how can 3rd parties not but get in the way, while they sort, shuffle and haggle over their own red tape?
while i bet ppl can think of good reasons why money for os development, what about the dynamics and effects this has on efficiency of output? oss at the moment is lean and mean with as few people to guide development as possible.
imop, until there's some runs on the board, this type of 'top-down' approach will be interesting to watch, but not a powerhouse of development as some may think, in the bottom-up world of oss.
/. is better in a sense it's bottom up. that is to say news stories filter in via 'journos' or via press leases (never touched by journos hands) and the bottom up approach verifies thru discussion, research and plain bs detection news articles.
/. also adds another dimension in the form of user insights, extra information and references that leave traditional non-hyperlinked newspaper articles for dead.
i like the term , 'my rights'. i always try to turn this around and remind people of their responsibilities. too often responsibilities are forgotten in the cry for rights.
as for the 'festering - cause' (trying not to be too simplistic) i think of walking past local video shops 10,000Km from the US where u know that the majority of video cut-out posters with pistols, rifles and automatic weapons in the window are probably advertising a film from the united states.
i'm afraid yr popular culture (or those wanting to portray it) is one that glorifies violence and weapons.
true, this is rather simplistic. but the easy accessability of weapons/ammunition is the prime cause of death. 2 loons with guns will certainly maim/injure more than 2 loons with knives and baseball bats. if u cut out the access to these weapons explosives are something else. and i tend agree this is a simplistic view of the situation. one thing i notice that differs b/w US/AUS at schools is the vindictive nature of groups at schools. looks like those that dont fit in are really hassled in the states. in aus yr simply ignored.
it's kind of sad really..this is a loose loose situation. there's body bags on the ground, greiving families, looking for reasons and easy target computer software companies. dont see to many calls for suiing many gun companies....oh that's right guns dont kill anyone
RANT i was going to quote the same line...m$ is just a roving preditor, cashed up and looking to get in on the latest fad to increase market share.
SERIOUS QUESTION would anyone in their right mind want to hack for instance a GNU-NT? (i'm thinking something fast and with a lot of hard drive space.) would anyone hazard a guess as to what type of machine setup one would need to do this?
does anyone know what compiler m$ uses to compile NT code? surely not Visual C++? does anyone know the answer to this. imop, any such effort by m$ to open their code would meet the same response wrt the open source community as with aol/netscape mozilla escapade. i couldn't see a useable development cycle using this model.
Loki and Activision sell their respective versions of Civilization: Call to Power independently of the other. In addition, we pay royalties to Activision based on sales of the Linux version. We currently have no plans to provide a Linux 'upgrade' for purchasers of the Windows version, but will announce an upgrade policy on this website should that change.
guess i'll have to wait...but i still want the box damn it! heres the link to the faq if yr interested.
i'd be interested to hear about this, 'cause yr right about the data. can anyone who has civ port enlighten us about this? thinks...might have to do some research! wonder how it would play on win32 box using l*nux box as server and using vnc?
had a look at the site and i liked the ability to query http for instance. i know u can do this using other languages like perl but perl doesn't live on my palm pilot (or run well on my nt box) and that was if i could care to programme in it (sorry perl progs).
having a light scripting language across platforms would be very useful for querying websites, extracting useful information programatically and getting it to run off my networked palm...(i know the palm port is pending)
but i agree that as far as a prototyping/quick tool that allows u to use basic web protocols , rebol may just be the tool for the job.
on the link thoughtfully supplied by an ac i found the faq and some other other stuff. i looked to see what happens if the designers and engineers had supplied any way of turning aibo off in case of an emergency...yep sure enough.... i found it
Q.Why does aibo have a pause button on it's chest? A.The pause button on ABIOS's chest is used to stop AIBO in any emergencies, and also used to rivive (sic) AIBO when it has put itself into deep sleep.
it made me think that if they are starting to develop robotics with 'emotion' like behavour, are they going to read asimovs, 'i robot' and utilise the 3 laws of robotics or are they going to have a problem with their machines much like the beasty boys clip for hello nasty?
i wish mozilla.org would 'digitus dextractus for a year now the s/w industry has been waiting for an alternative to ie5 (yes something on systems other than windows). i dont want to hear wineing about 'lack of developer support' or 'why dont u help et.,al.
it would be nice to have a 'standards compliant' browser sometime this century. come aol spend some of those resources and get that mozilla beast out the door...ms ie is kicking yr but wrt business!
but there's not much software being written for them.. when ms ports to these chips a huge userbase will follow. until then the alternatives u suggest wont be adopted regardless (sadly) of their technical superiority.
damn this is a very simple to use product. it rates imop as good as 'jot' (which allows for natural handwriting).
but then again what do u expect from the man who bought us the 'perlin noise' function used in rendering tools such as povray, 3dmax, renderman etc
cant forget the day i rode 20 miles on my bike on a stinking hot summers day to pick up a copy of this book:) Texturing and Modeling, A Procedural Approach by David Ebert, et al, AP Professional, Cambridge, 1994. my chapter is entitled: Noise, Hypertexture, Antialiasing and Gesture
yep your're onto a good idea there. about the only thing i like about the new macs is the way u can get access to the mb. having to open my pc to replace boards and hard drives, change cables etc makes my eyes wince when i drop a screw inside.
what i would do for nice layout and access. but lets face it is there a market for these kind of cases? if there is a market someone will produce it.
i'm amazed that ppl still equate earning potential/power with qualifications. like a previous poster mentioned you dont really further yr study or attain a high level of knowledge (professional or otherwise) purely for monitary reasons (unless yr a lawyer, dig dig).
the fact u have detailed knowledge in particular fields only equates to money where the laws of undersupply and overdemand apply
i bet somewhere their are ppl orders of magnitude smarter, more knowledeable and capable than every slashdotter at their current jobs, but in another country, state or field. it just so happens that at this particular point in time, in the first world high-tech knowledge is in demand, hence companies have to pay.who knows tomorrow, juggling balls and drinking beer at the same time may pay more:)
just a few ideas on the article....main one being that the advantages of l*nux is the comparison with living breathing organisms that can readily adapt to the conditions and environment faster than the synthetic softeware system constructs that commercial software houses develop.
Linux didn't break any new ground...but it's nice, elegant and small, easy to understand. So now we've got some punk young kids who've taken and engineered pieces around the Unix [kernel] i get annoyed at this. l*nux is for ever showing new bit's of new software useful or otherwise, it runs on many different types of hardware, it's demands for resources are few...it's adaptable and has the ability to be modified...the dna or source code of linux can be modified as required.
They're not in control of their road map. They ship whatever happens to be current in the Linux community. When you're selling to [major corporations], they want to know who you are, where you're going, where you've been, how you treat customers. this is true, and i wouldn't want it any other way.... we have seen the inability of major software corporations to predict or adapt their software. remember microsoft,ibm, et.,al. and the internet? l*nux can be adapted quickly as it's environment or demands change
Another thing is reliability. It takes millions of dollars to run [reliability] tests. It takes expensive people, expensive labs, expensive [electric] bills, racks and racks of hardware, and really boring, hard, grubby work. It isn't stuff that people do for fun at home with volunteers. I'm supprised to hear this from a vendor, (but they have their livelyhood at stake here folks!)cause it's simply not true. The internet supplies l*unix with the worlds greatest testing lab and the diversity of hardware and operating conditions (makes quick comparison to the natural world) is astounding. much like the amazon rain forrest. poor old sco can only build a 'simulated park' of the potential hardware forest....no money can buy, no corporation can hope to replicate the volume and variety of testing conditions that linux has undergone:) this could account for it's rapid growth
Second, Linux products are not particularly scalable and don't handle multiprocessors well. dont know about this, can anyone comment?
A: Linux is a religion. It's like considering the Catholic Church a competitor. I'm not a religion; I'm a commercial operating system. at least i dont have to pay to get in the door,pay to pray at the alter and pay to ask for guidence, na i'm a bloody l*nux heathen, who doesn't want to pay, just play with the source:)
comment i'm no expert on this subject but digesting the article found on this page I figure that the government is trying to regulate the internet muck like it does with other media, classifying content deemed as unsuitable with a rating system. if a piece of online content is deemed unsuitable for australain audiences (epecially all those kiddies) the australain government will try to block the site if possible, password it or notify the host country....
so they are going to attempt to apply the same australain classification system that we have to film, books, videos, tv and radio to the internet.
but here's the real sinister part..... the internet can also be used as a forum for the dissemination of offensive or illegal material. The Government takes very seriously its responsibility to provide a workable and effective regime to prevent the publication of this material.
lets them block embarassing leaks, comments they dont agree to. Nice way to use a law to block freedom of speech?
got some good ideas there, i especially like the adopt a pollie concept, rather like guiding hedgehogs across a busy motorway....good lord some.au pollies need some education. despite the best technical reccomendations of the csiro ( http://www.csiro.com.au, Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO)) has decided to try to censor the internet to save australia from that nasty information we can get from overseas....check out this official press release, http://www.dcita.gov.au/nsapi-graphics/?MIval=dca_ dispdoc&ID=3648
The Government will introduce stronger measures to protect Australian citizens, especially children, against illegal or highly offensive material on the internet, the Minister for Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, Senator Richard Alston, announced today. The internet, and other online services, have the capacity to significantly improve the lives of all Australians by providing access to services, by creating new jobs and new categories of jobs, and by providing access to information and entertainment sources around the world. But the internet can also be used as a forum for the dissemination of offensive or illegal material. The Government takes very seriously its responsibility to provide a workable and effective regime to prevent the publication of this material.
from the land of opportunity, where innovation and hard work is encouraged, a country that enshrines the concept of 'freedom of speach', and fought a civil war over black civil rights, a place that made it possible for powered flight and putting man on the moon, a mixture of peoples from around the world trying to make a go of it, where the media makes the news and sometimes reports it, a country of immense wealth and power and oportunity, a proud and competitive nation, a win at all costs nation, home of the corporation, fast food and drive in churches, where tolerence and justice can be equally replaced with intolerence and injustice, a country where vested interests and power can subjugate the needs of the rest of the nationfor it's own, where the right to bear arms is enchrined in the consitition and where school kids instead of being kids, studying and playing in the school yard, kill and mame each other for no apparent reason land of the free....
it's the little touches like this u can expect from borland. i'd expect that the l*nux version would be the same. the cheif reason u use a gui builder is for building the gui. if your have ever tried to build a tightly spaced form with text files? if u do this in vi/emacs yr a real sucker for pain....
but i would urge all those considering purchasing jBuilder for l*nux to take a look at 'freebuilder' at www.freebuilder.org it's not v1.00 yet but then again jBuilder for l*nux isn't on the shelves and this ones free:)
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We enable customers to recapture their long-term investment in applications written on UNIX systems for reuse on Windows NT. The INTERIX software platform allows customers to run these UNIX system applications on Windows NT. .... Wanted egcs, emacs, gnome, TeX, XView on INTERIX.
can anyone tell me (dzions - chief scientist) why i would need 'interix' emacs for instance on NT when i can get the fsf version that's already ported to native nt? i cant say the same for tex, xview or gnome but why?
it just seems a bit of a duplication of effort.
Until, a year later, someone wants not just a feature addon, but a larger change that will require some architectural changes in the software. Now what ? I'm of to Bahamas and can't be reached, and noone else really has any real insight into what goes on in my code.
if they have the source, it can be done. and for sure no one person will have total mindset of the code. this is the beaut thing about oss.
is it just me or do others have a mistrust of money in the development of oss? i cant see it really taking off for for small-meduim projects, but it may have a benifit for large (say a real gnu browser) or will it? with money comes some degree of organisation and rules/regs.
the bazaar method of software development has 'evolved' because it's efficeint. efficeincy in software development means software gets out faster. how can 3rd parties not but get in the way, while they sort, shuffle and haggle over their own red tape?
while i bet ppl can think of good reasons why money for os development, what about the dynamics and effects this has on efficiency of output? oss at the moment is lean and mean with as few people to guide development as possible.
imop, until there's some runs on the board, this type of 'top-down' approach will be interesting to watch, but not a powerhouse of development as some may think, in the bottom-up world of oss.
/. is better in a sense it's bottom up. that is to say news stories filter in via 'journos' or via press leases (never touched by journos hands) and the bottom up approach verifies thru discussion, research and plain bs detection news articles.
/. also adds another dimension in the form of user insights, extra information and references that leave traditional non-hyperlinked newspaper articles for dead.
i like the term , 'my rights'. i always try to turn this around and remind people of their responsibilities. too often responsibilities are forgotten in the cry for rights.
as for the 'festering - cause' (trying not to be too simplistic) i think of walking past local video shops 10,000Km from the US where u know that the majority of video cut-out posters with pistols, rifles and automatic weapons in the window are probably advertising a film from the united states.
i'm afraid yr popular culture (or those wanting to portray it) is one that glorifies violence and weapons.
true, this is rather simplistic. but the easy accessability of weapons/ammunition is the prime cause of death. 2 loons with guns will certainly maim/injure more than 2 loons with knives and baseball bats. if u cut out the access to these weapons
explosives are something else. and i tend agree this is a simplistic view of the situation. one thing i notice that differs b/w US/AUS at schools is the vindictive nature of groups at schools. looks like those that dont fit in are really hassled in the states. in aus yr simply ignored.
it's kind of sad really..this is a loose loose situation. there's body bags on the ground, greiving families, looking for reasons and easy target computer software companies. dont see to many calls for suiing many gun companies....oh that's right guns dont kill anyone
bullshit!
many thx...i just got my order of 2xtux's for the young bloke, from the very same company a couple of days ago.
here's the site, http://everythinglinux.com.au for those interested.
RANT
i was going to quote the same line...m$ is just a roving preditor, cashed up and looking to get in on the latest fad to increase market share.
SERIOUS QUESTION
would anyone in their right mind want to hack for instance a GNU-NT? (i'm thinking something fast and with a lot of hard drive space.) would anyone hazard a guess as to what type of machine setup one would need to do this?
does anyone know what compiler m$ uses to compile NT code? surely not Visual C++? does anyone know the answer to this. imop, any such effort by m$ to open their code would meet the same response wrt the open source community as with aol/netscape mozilla escapade. i couldn't see a useable development cycle using this model.
can anyone give a company/url to get these gms in 'aus'?
Loki and Activision sell their respective versions of Civilization: Call to Power independently of the other. In addition, we pay royalties to Activision based on sales of the Linux version. We currently have no plans to provide a Linux 'upgrade' for purchasers of the Windows version, but will announce an upgrade policy on this website should that change.
guess i'll have to wait...but i still want the box damn it! heres the link to the faq if yr interested.
i'd be interested to hear about this, 'cause yr right about the data. can anyone who has civ port enlighten us about this? thinks...might have to do some research! wonder how it would play on win32 box using l*nux box as server and using vnc?
had a look at the site and i liked the ability to query http for instance. i know u can do this using other languages like perl but perl doesn't live on my palm pilot (or run well on my nt box) and that was if i could care to programme in it (sorry perl progs).
having a light scripting language across platforms would be very useful for querying websites, extracting useful information programatically and getting it to run off my networked palm...(i know the palm port is pending)
but i agree that as far as a prototyping/quick tool that allows u to use basic web protocols , rebol may just be the tool for the job.
on the link thoughtfully supplied by an ac i found the faq and some other other stuff. i looked to see what happens if the designers and engineers had supplied any way of turning aibo off in case of an emergency...yep sure enough.... i found it
Q. Why does aibo have a pause button on it's chest?
A.The pause button on ABIOS's chest is used to stop AIBO in any emergencies, and also used to rivive (sic) AIBO when it has put itself into deep sleep.
it made me think that if they are starting to develop robotics with 'emotion' like behavour, are they going to read asimovs, 'i robot' and utilise the 3 laws of robotics or are they going to have a problem with their machines much like the beasty boys clip for hello nasty?
>However, he's proved absolutely hopeless at marketing...It'll live or die by its marketing, though.
absolutely true. this is one area that US companies exceede at, just take a look at the marketing of the new apple machines.
i wish that some money was spent on marketing 'cause aside from the quirks in the designs from sinclair, they are cheap.
i wish mozilla.org would 'digitus dextractus for a year now the s/w industry has been waiting for an alternative to ie5 (yes something on systems other than windows). i dont want to hear wineing about 'lack of developer support' or 'why dont u help et.,al.
it would be nice to have a 'standards compliant' browser sometime this century. come aol spend some of those resources and get that mozilla beast out the door...ms ie is kicking yr but wrt business!
but there's not much software being written for them.. when ms ports to these chips a huge userbase will follow. until then the alternatives u suggest wont be adopted regardless (sadly) of their technical superiority.
damn this is a very simple to use product. it rates imop as good as 'jot' (which allows for natural handwriting).
:) Texturing and Modeling, A Procedural Approach by David Ebert, et al,
but then again what do u expect from the man who bought us the 'perlin noise' function used in rendering tools such as povray, 3dmax, renderman etc
cant forget the day i rode 20 miles on my bike on a stinking hot summers day to pick up a copy of this book
AP Professional, Cambridge, 1994. my chapter is entitled: Noise, Hypertexture, Antialiasing and Gesture
http://mrl.nyu.edu/perlin/doc/oscar.html
yep your're onto a good idea there. about the only thing i like about the new macs is the way u can get access to the mb. having to open my pc to replace boards and hard drives, change cables etc makes my eyes wince when i drop a screw inside.
what i would do for nice layout and access. but lets face it is there a market for these kind of cases? if there is a market someone will produce it.
i'm amazed that ppl still equate earning potential/power with qualifications. like a previous poster mentioned you dont really further yr study or attain a high level of knowledge (professional or otherwise) purely for monitary reasons (unless yr a lawyer, dig dig).
:)
the fact u have detailed knowledge in particular fields only equates to money where the laws of undersupply and overdemand apply
i bet somewhere their are ppl orders of magnitude smarter, more knowledeable and capable than every slashdotter at their current jobs, but in another country, state or field. it just so happens that at this particular point in time, in the first world high-tech knowledge is in demand, hence companies have to pay.who knows tomorrow, juggling balls and drinking beer at the same time may pay more
just a few ideas on the article....main one being that the advantages of l*nux is the comparison with living breathing organisms that can readily adapt to the conditions and environment faster than the synthetic softeware system constructs that commercial software houses develop.
Linux didn't break any new ground...but it's nice, elegant and small, easy to understand. So now we've got some punk young kids who've taken and engineered pieces around the Unix [kernel]i get annoyed at this. l*nux is for ever showing new bit's of new software useful or otherwise, it runs on many different types of hardware, it's demands for resources are few...it's adaptable and has the ability to be modified...the dna or source code of linux can be modified as required.
They're not in control of their road map. They ship whatever happens to be current in the Linux community. When you're selling to [major corporations], they want to know who you are, where you're going, where you've been, how you treat customers.
this is true, and i wouldn't want it any other way.... we have seen the inability of major software corporations to predict or adapt their software. remember microsoft,ibm, et.,al. and the internet? l*nux can be adapted quickly as it's environment or demands change
Another thing is reliability. It takes millions of dollars to run [reliability] tests. It takes expensive people, expensive labs, expensive [electric] bills, racks and racks of hardware, and really boring, hard, grubby work. It isn't stuff that people do for fun at home with volunteers.
I'm supprised to hear this from a vendor, (but they have their livelyhood at stake here folks!)cause it's simply not true. The internet supplies l*unix with the worlds greatest testing lab and the diversity of hardware and operating conditions (makes quick comparison to the natural world) is astounding. much like the amazon rain forrest. poor old sco can only build a 'simulated park' of the potential hardware forest....no money can buy, no corporation can hope to replicate the volume and variety of testing conditions that linux has undergone
Second, Linux products are not particularly scalable and don't handle multiprocessors well.
dont know about this, can anyone comment?
A: Linux is a religion. It's like considering the Catholic Church a competitor. I'm not a religion; I'm a commercial operating system.
at least i dont have to pay to get in the door,pay to pray at the alter and pay to ask for guidence, na i'm a bloody l*nux heathen, who doesn't want to pay, just play with the source
source http://www.dcita.gov.au/nsapi-graphics/?MIval=dca_ dispdoc&ID=3648
comment i'm no expert on this subject but digesting the article found on this page I figure that the government is trying to regulate the internet muck like it does with other media, classifying content deemed as unsuitable with a rating system.
if a piece of online content is deemed unsuitable for australain audiences (epecially all those kiddies) the australain government will try to block the site if possible, password it or notify the host country....
so they are going to attempt to apply the same australain classification system that we have to film, books, videos, tv and radio to the internet.
but here's the real sinister part.....
the internet can also be used as a forum for the dissemination of offensive or illegal material. The Government takes very seriously its responsibility to provide a workable and effective regime to prevent the publication of this material.
lets them block embarassing leaks, comments they dont agree to. Nice way to use a law to block freedom of speech?
got some good ideas there, i especially like the adopt a pollie concept, rather like guiding hedgehogs across a busy motorway....good lord some .au pollies need some education. despite the best technical reccomendations of the csiro ( http://www.csiro.com.au, Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO)) has decided to try to censor the internet to save australia from that nasty information we can get from overseas....check out this official press release, http://www.dcita.gov.au/nsapi-graphics/?MIval=dca_ dispdoc&ID=3648
The Government will introduce stronger measures to protect Australian citizens, especially children, against illegal or highly offensive material on the internet, the Minister for Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, Senator Richard Alston, announced today. The internet, and other online services, have the capacity to significantly improve the lives of all Australians by providing access to services, by creating new jobs and new categories of jobs, and by providing access to information and entertainment sources around the world. But the internet can also be used as a forum for the dissemination of offensive or illegal material. The Government takes very seriously its responsibility to provide a workable and effective regime to prevent the publication of this material.
from the land of opportunity, where innovation and hard work is encouraged, a country that enshrines the concept of 'freedom of speach', and fought a civil war over black civil rights, a place that made it possible for powered flight and putting man on the moon, a mixture of peoples from around the world trying to make a go of it, where the media makes the news and sometimes reports it, a country of immense wealth and power and oportunity, a proud and competitive nation, a win at all costs nation, home of the corporation, fast food and drive in churches, where tolerence and justice can be equally replaced with intolerence and injustice, a country where vested interests and power can subjugate the needs of the rest of the nationfor it's own, where the right to bear arms is enchrined in the consitition and where school kids instead of being kids, studying and playing in the school yard, kill and mame each other for no apparent reason land of the free....
it's the little touches like this u can expect from borland. i'd expect that the l*nux version would be the same. the cheif reason u use a gui builder is for building the gui. if your have ever tried to build a tightly spaced form with text files? if u do this in vi/emacs yr a real sucker for pain....
:)
but i would urge all those considering purchasing jBuilder for l*nux to take a look at 'freebuilder' at www.freebuilder.org it's not v1.00 yet but then again jBuilder for l*nux isn't on the shelves and this ones free