But the neat thing about Linux is that a company like Red Hat can only stay on top as long as they stay good.
this does not mean 'technically good' it could mean they get into the market first, gain market share and blast the competition out of the water. Then proceed to strangle/buyout new inovative start-ups and distribute so-so software that makes money for the shareholders.
if you doubt this, look at the car, oil, computer industries. the company who dominates the linux market do not have to be technically the best (unfortunatly).
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I hope that ISVs will realize that supporting only one Distro is bad for their linux investment.
there's a good reason for this. the market that rh has developed is 'developer orientated'. so it should be of no suprise to anyone that the sw houses start pointing to a 'brand' that caters for developers.
why would they for instance start to market to debian or suse for that matter if debian targets purists and suse, european users (suse is vg). this is not to say 1 distro is 'better' than other but that one distro will sell more copies of a particular type of sw.
as to what this means, well it could mean a lot of the sw houses will follow like sheep and bypassing other distributions and releasing only to rh, for instance. i dont think this is good - help balkanize the market as you put it may happen. M$ also allowed this happen under their windows (3.1,95,98 & NT) os's but used win32 api's and other such devices to unify development - meaning if u developed under win32 api's the code could be re-compiled and work from one os to another (well almost). maybe you highlight one of l*nuxes potential weaknesses (but also one of it's greatest strengths).
anyway who uses code-warrior front-end with vim,vi, emacs, gnu tools from cynus available?
damn u guys are good, coders, graphic artists [insert expertise here]...
A logo needs to be recognizable independent of the text. It has to work across language barriers. It should bypass the verbal part of your mind, and when you see the image, you should recognize it as Debian before you actually start to read what's in your visual field.
sarcasm aside, yr spot on wrt recognition. this kind of recognition is what's been going on in the corporate world for donkeys years. what i want to know is why did ru changing from the original? the current one is pretty good and i dont see any that can be instantly recognised as superior.
are there any oss pdf->html converters around, i can't stand having to locate 3rd party plug-ins every time someone puts a document up. this is got to be one of the top ten mistakes of the web (Bleeding-edge technology - using pdf's)
we are lucky even to have isdn access in '.au', cable availability is restricted because of the lack of competition (and u can only get dynamic ip's), isdn is expensive and the best u can get at a reasonable price is 56K modem access. even then u have to pick and choose b/w isp's.
must be a router down i cant get to the cnet (and slashdot) site but wrt to adsl, i thought at that low level of comms they should be technology neutral?
what's the reason? it a technical one or an attack of the PHB's? (pointy haired bosses).
. IIS is perfectly fine server and when NT itself is not sick, performs very well well not quite correct. i've been using a very fine program from a top rate company (no i dont work for them, but they deliver a technically good product.) that allows file uploads via http using asp, iis and nt. they found a problem, tried to patch it, but the real problem is the iis4 server itself.
the folowing articles tell the real story...
the documented
problem/solution - ocassional 100% cpu utilisation the cause, ms iis/nt. when are they going to fix it?
the patch is applied (sa isapi fix & ms sp5), but the problem remains. now with apache i could put a message with a news group, locate the problem, fire up the compiler and fix it instead of waiting for a ms repsonse to the bug.
not true. yesterday the aforementioned article was on the front page of redhats main site http://www.redhat.com it's possible you went there after/. scolled the story. full points to rh for this. ms would NEVER have let that happened (employee publicly abusing the company on it's front page).
yep that's a cool idea, but rh is aiming at business and phb's (point haired bosses in business) that are looking for the 'm$' equivalent in unix 'rh' so they may not ever get to hear about 'debian'. even if they do debian is free. business cant handle free software, they want to pay for it.
yep, i've worked at a company where the pointy haired boss syndrome was everywhere. i started working at a smal start-up with 22 people that balloned to 80 after an ipo.
the ipo forced the ipo forced the company to put in a middle layer of 'touchy-feely, non-technicals (or those with some tech skills had limited experience). the result, a death march nightmare. products released early because of screaming from marketing, then screaming from 'managers' leading to all-night programming sessions that delivered the compiled code. but have a guess what a small bug would be in it. this is called fire chasing management.
i tried working within the system but ran into brick walls as the pointy haired boss would just nod and say yes to the work i had been doing but taking no action. so what did i do, flame at the boss, employees and the rest of the world?, na just left on good terms and found another job. no hysteria, no snarling.
so for all you young slashdotters out there, if yr in a job where boss is a moron, try working the system. if this doesn't work, leave yr job on good terms and find another and let the company to it's own destiny.
the pointy haired boss network can be yr downfall. a company i know had a 'programmer' who sat on their rear for months/weeks (phb's not doing their job) not doing their job properly, quit and leave them in the lurch before a big roll-out and his former boss happened to bump into his new boss. guess i wouldn't mind to be a fly on the wall:)
Once you start building an ASP-based solution, you're stuck. You have nowhere else to turn. The cost of converting to Perl or JavaScript is just too high. You've walled yourself into a proprietary solution.
i dont really want to get into a technical bunfight. i've used both ns and ms solutions and for ease of use the ms solution (asp, odbc and vbs) is a lot quicker to develop. as for the asp solution being a dead-end yeah to a point - there are alternative servers on unix via http://www.chillisoft.com but the cost/cpu makes this uneconomical.
if yr careful designing with asp and not hard code asp within html porting (java) is certainly a possibility, but most would simply re-write. how many companies still use ns-server? (not including the free version)? if u go for a job developing theres less of a demand wrt being able to develop for 'unix' webservers compared to asp. the choice is real simple.
I'd pick Netscape i'll make allowences for you, as u work there. damn i wish u guys would get an alternative in the market to ms in the web browser market!
yeah i lifted the quote off an online interview i reading a while back. he sort of lamented that,
linux was not really cross platform - harder than it should be to port to other platforms (originally developed for intel chips)
was immature for taking advantage of symetrical processing (not so accurate with 2.2.x kernal builds)
there where a few other things but i forget. he sort of made the statement that linux was a reaction to 'm$' and not really a 'real mans' unix.
sort of reminds me when i was working for a local 'dot com' company of a unix guru's dilbert cartoon with a bald, white bearded old man flipping a coin to dilbert and saying, 'here get a real computer sonny'... this sort of summed up KT's attitiude.
Who pays the packager/distributor $80 for what is free, particularly if it isn't in turn funding the Rastermans of the world? Who'll pay Red Hat to make Linux more like Windows?
well i must say that rasterman leaving redhat citing differences is sad (nice to see a local lad from.au working in the states), but not the end of the world. redhat labs has been touted as a nivana for oss development in that they get paid (be it below commercial rates). But commercial reality is hitting home here. You could interpret this to mean that RH consider 'e' as a non-essentail component of their distro. Dont forget though that a hell of a lot of the best work has been done by 'volunteers'. living outside the box!but to get to the above statement, who will pay USD$80 for software they can get for free? why business of course! mainstream conservative business instictivley distrusts 'free' (read oss) beacause of mislead perceptions such as reliability, onsite support and a host of other stupid beliefs.
how many times on slashdot have we heard lines like, 'ohh we tell the pointy haired boss that xxxxx (insert yr own os) runs that bit of software, but in reality have installed linux, freeBsd or some other flavour and theres no downtime and i get no complaints'
i was talking to my boss the other day about how redhat jacked their prices up from distro 5.2->6.0 and he said 'good, more business's will probably buy it.' From a business point of view it doesn't seem that free sw is the deciding facot and I'll be buggered if i know why?.from a home-user pov, cost is a factor and this is why oss is gaining a foothold on users desktops.
I'm currently trying to build a really small linux installation for 486es plz post yr results on slashdot. i reckon myself and others would like to see the results and pilfer their code:)
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and most important the power usage...aroudn a month unless u play chess a lot or use the backlight for reading.
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here's the info i found on the site. can anyone tell me an alternative business model to the 'you copy I'll litigate' approach. how else is someone able to develop an idea and commercialise it?
what's the time-limitation of patents? (have'd to do a lot of research to see exactly whats covered, and i dont have the time)....
also there's the issue of this company using the tools to commercialise artwork....but the last work goes to an email i remember, with john carmack talking about persons/companies copyrighting their code/software technology and vigerously protecting it, as (words to the effect of ) being 'techno-wusses for not willing to be technologically competitive'.
this matters not as cut and dry as one might think.
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are we seeing the first wave of oss devotees being hired by l*nux related companies? what a great irony, programers willing to do programming for free being employed.
>Other researchers said the finding does not >have serious implications for agriculture.
i like this quote...now lets wait a few years till some real hard data comes out (like doing some studies on all those ppl sucking on their soya milk )...till then its non genetically modified for me! (if only i could tell the difference)
i could just easily take this obvious flame-bait and rant and rave but I'll try to enlighten you instead...
read these links....
Covert Action Quarterly - has exerpts of Nicky Hagar who has written a book ( secret power) on his investigations into echelon and more importantly the echelon dictionary that is used to scan/parse messages.
Federation of American Scientists website. outlines what echelon is, and gives exerpt (chp2)of secret power
what if the information being scanned (phone, fax, email conversation) is being lexically scanned for keywords (eg: bomb, kill, etc..) but taken out of context (blah blah..i'll kill some time, drove in my bomb of a car on the way to the...blah blah...watched a crappy american film the other night....) then secretly filed away recording the phone number, email information, time date, and any other gathered information - just because it might be useful for something in the future and NOT because you may have done something wrong or broken any particular law.
what if these facilities are fully automated and unmanned.
what if these facilities are on foreign soil and all the information gathered is sent directly to the NSA (we have nothing to do with intelligence).
what if that information gathering tool is used in wide band mode (oh sorry we didn't mean to pick up your public company trade information sent by phone calls, emails etc.) then parsed for any hint of prices, countries, (read commercial gain) then used in any way seen fit?
the most scary consequence could be, the filing of something you have said (which could be captured, filtered and written to some database) then used against you in a completly different social/political consequence...say yr2021's version the house of un-american (web) activities....i smell digital mccarthyism!
want any more reasons why/how/what these tools are used for...go do some reading.
dont forget to go to the DSD homepage to play the puzzle games (a bit weird for a serious intelligence agency!)
for the uninformed '/.ers' it's nice to see a whole wad of american tax payers money spent on useful stuff like euchelon, spying on *cough*allies*cough*....and the NSA and our DSD own - their've got nothing to do with intelligence:)
the saddest part is the DSD agency (in aus, NSA is accountable to us gov) is not held accountable in australia..what a bloody joke!
Disturbing? Hmm...I don't know....Some of the SIGINT stuff is pretty amazing. stop living in the land of the faries! at the moment in the NSA is using 'Echelon' facilities to monitor australians and new zealanders phone, email and possibly others without consent. this isn't just some tom clancy novel. gathered intel is being used for questionable motives.
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But the neat thing about Linux is that a company like Red Hat can only stay on top as long as they stay good.
this does not mean 'technically good' it could mean they get into the market first, gain market share and blast the competition out of the water. Then proceed to strangle/buyout new inovative start-ups and distribute so-so software that makes money for the shareholders.
if you doubt this, look at the car, oil, computer industries. the company who dominates the linux market do not have to be technically the best (unfortunatly).
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go here instead... then choose 'alien...
I hope that ISVs will realize that supporting only one Distro is bad for their linux investment.
there's a good reason for this. the market that rh has developed is 'developer orientated'. so it should be of no suprise to anyone that the sw houses start pointing to a 'brand' that caters for developers.
why would they for instance start to market to debian or suse for that matter if debian targets purists and suse, european users (suse is vg). this is not to say 1 distro is 'better' than other but that one distro will sell more copies of a particular type of sw.
as to what this means, well it could mean a lot of the sw houses will follow like sheep and bypassing other distributions and releasing only to rh, for instance. i dont think this is good - help balkanize the market as you put it may happen. M$ also allowed this happen under their windows (3.1,95,98 & NT) os's but used win32 api's and other such devices to unify development - meaning if u developed under win32 api's the code could be re-compiled and work from one os to another (well almost). maybe you highlight one of l*nuxes potential weaknesses (but also one of it's greatest strengths).
anyway who uses code-warrior front-end with vim,vi, emacs, gnu tools from cynus available?
damn u guys are good, coders, graphic artists [insert expertise here]...
A logo needs to be recognizable independent of the text. It has to work across language barriers. It should bypass the verbal part of your mind, and when you see the image, you should recognize it as Debian before you actually start to read what's in your visual field.
sarcasm aside, yr spot on wrt recognition. this kind of recognition is what's been going on in the corporate world for donkeys years. what i want to know is why did ru changing from the original? the current one is pretty good and i dont see any that can be instantly recognised as superior.
yep, also liked the old one. why was the change required?
are there any oss pdf->html converters around, i can't stand having to locate 3rd party plug-ins every time someone puts a document up. this is got to be one of the top ten mistakes of the web (Bleeding-edge technology - using pdf's)
we are lucky even to have isdn access in '.au', cable availability is restricted because of the lack of competition (and u can only get dynamic ip's), isdn is expensive and the best u can get at a reasonable price is 56K modem access. even then u have to pick and choose b/w isp's.
must be a router down i cant get to the cnet (and slashdot) site but wrt to adsl, i thought at that low level of comms they should be technology neutral?
what's the reason? it a technical one or an attack of the PHB's? (pointy haired bosses).
not that i can find but a quick look at here and search for 'unix'.
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:)
or u could read and digest this forum and extract the best bits, create a checklist yrself from this forum and post it
pilots are vc
well not quite correct. i've been using a very fine program from a top rate company (no i dont work for them, but they deliver a technically good product.) that allows file uploads via http using asp, iis and nt. they found a problem, tried to patch it, but the real problem is the iis4 server itself.
the folowing articles tell the real story...
the cause, ms iis/nt. when are they going to fix it?
the patch is applied (sa isapi fix & ms sp5), but the problem remains. now with apache i could put a message with a news group, locate the problem, fire up the compiler and fix it instead of waiting for a ms repsonse to the bug.
compile and run ssl
dont run services u dont need
seek and research all setUID programs
read lots and lots of documentation
got these from a unix admin site...just rabbiting them off my palm, memo-list, hack
not true. yesterday the aforementioned article was on the front page of redhats main site http://www.redhat.com it's possible you went there after /. scolled the story. full points to rh for this. ms would NEVER have let that happened (employee publicly abusing the company on it's front page).
yep that's a cool idea, but rh is aiming at business and phb's (point haired bosses in business) that are looking for the 'm$' equivalent in unix 'rh' so they may not ever get to hear about 'debian'. even if they do debian is free. business cant handle free software, they want to pay for it.
yep, i've worked at a company where the pointy haired boss syndrome was everywhere. i started working at a smal start-up with 22 people that balloned to 80 after an ipo.
:)
the ipo forced the ipo forced the company to put in a middle layer of 'touchy-feely, non-technicals (or those with some tech skills had limited experience). the result, a death march nightmare. products released early because of screaming from marketing, then screaming from 'managers' leading to all-night programming sessions that delivered the compiled code. but have a guess what a small bug would be in it. this is called fire chasing management.
i tried working within the system but ran into brick walls as the pointy haired boss would just nod and say yes to the work i had been doing but taking no action. so what did i do, flame at the boss, employees and the rest of the world?, na just left on good terms and found another job. no hysteria, no snarling.
so for all you young slashdotters out there, if yr in a job where boss is a moron, try working the system. if this doesn't work, leave yr job on good terms and find another and let the company to it's own destiny.
the pointy haired boss network can be yr downfall. a company i know had a 'programmer' who sat on their rear for months/weeks (phb's not doing their job) not doing their job properly, quit and leave them in the lurch before a big roll-out and his former boss happened to bump into his new boss. guess i wouldn't mind to be a fly on the wall
Once you start building an ASP-based solution, you're stuck. You have nowhere else to turn. The cost of converting to Perl or JavaScript is just too high. You've walled yourself into a proprietary solution.
i dont really want to get into a technical bunfight. i've used both ns and ms solutions and for ease of use the ms solution (asp, odbc and vbs) is a lot quicker to develop. as for the asp solution being a dead-end yeah to a point - there are alternative servers on unix via http://www.chillisoft.com but the cost/cpu makes this uneconomical.
if yr careful designing with asp and not hard code asp within html porting (java) is certainly a possibility, but most would simply re-write. how many companies still use ns-server? (not including the free version)? if u go for a job developing theres less of a demand wrt being able to develop for 'unix' webservers compared to asp. the choice is real simple.
I'd pick Netscape
i'll make allowences for you, as u work there. damn i wish u guys would get an alternative in the market to ms in the web browser market!
there where a few other things but i forget. he sort of made the statement that linux was a reaction to 'm$' and not really a 'real mans' unix.
sort of reminds me when i was working for a local 'dot com' company of a unix guru's dilbert cartoon with a bald, white bearded old man flipping a coin to dilbert and saying, 'here get a real computer sonny'... this sort of summed up KT's attitiude.
btw www.rasterman.com is down or '/.'ed?
Who pays the packager/distributor $80 for what is free, particularly if it isn't in turn funding the Rastermans of the world? Who'll pay Red Hat to make Linux more like Windows?
.au working in the states), but not the end of the world. redhat labs has been touted as a nivana for oss development in that they get paid (be it below commercial rates). But commercial reality is hitting home here. You could interpret this to mean that RH consider 'e' as a non-essentail component of their distro. Dont forget though that a hell of a lot of the best work has been done by 'volunteers'. living outside the box!but to get to the above statement, who will pay USD$80 for software they can get for free? why business of course! mainstream conservative business instictivley distrusts 'free' (read oss) beacause of mislead perceptions such as reliability, onsite support and a host of other stupid beliefs.
:)
well i must say that rasterman leaving redhat citing differences is sad (nice to see a local lad from
how many times on slashdot have we heard lines like, 'ohh we tell the pointy haired boss that xxxxx (insert yr own os) runs that bit of software, but in reality have installed linux, freeBsd or some other flavour and theres no downtime and i get no complaints'
i was talking to my boss the other day about how redhat jacked their prices up from distro 5.2->6.0 and he said 'good, more business's will probably buy it.' From a business point of view it doesn't seem that free sw is the deciding facot and I'll be buggered if i know why?.from a home-user pov, cost is a factor and this is why oss is gaining a foothold on users desktops.
I'm currently trying to build a really small linux installation for 486es
plz post yr results on slashdot. i reckon myself and others would like to see the results and pilfer their code
and most important the power usage...aroudn a month unless u play chess a lot or use the backlight for reading.
red herring - I'm gonna sue your ass! How industry leaders are putting startups through legal hell -- and dampening innovation.
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check this url http://www.herring.com/mag/issue66
talks about the problems with law suits wrt to small firms and big companies and how the small firms loose
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here's the info i found on the site. can anyone tell me an alternative business model to the 'you copy I'll litigate' approach. how else is someone able to develop an idea and commercialise it?
what's the time-limitation of patents? (have'd to do a lot of research to see exactly whats covered, and i dont have the time)....
also there's the issue of this company using the tools to commercialise artwork....but the last work goes to an email i remember, with john carmack talking about persons/companies copyrighting their code/software technology and vigerously protecting it, as (words to the effect of ) being 'techno-wusses for not willing to be technologically competitive'.
this matters not as cut and dry as one might think.
are we seeing the first wave of oss devotees being hired by l*nux related companies? what a great irony, programers willing to do programming for free being employed.
damn, will they ever learn? the specs are in 'pdf' format.
>Other researchers said the finding does not >have serious implications for agriculture.
i like this quote...now lets wait a few years till some real hard data comes out (like doing some studies on all those ppl sucking on their soya milk )...till then its non genetically modified for me! (if only i could tell the difference)
read these links....
then ask yourself these basic questions...
want any more reasons why/how/what these tools are used for
for the uninformed '/.ers' it's nice to see a whole wad of american tax payers money spent on useful stuff like euchelon, spying on *cough*allies*cough*
the saddest part is the DSD agency (in aus, NSA is accountable to us gov) is not held accountable in australia..what a bloody joke!
Disturbing? Hmm...I don't know....Some of the SIGINT stuff is pretty amazing.
stop living in the land of the faries! at the moment in the NSA is using 'Echelon' facilities to monitor australians and new zealanders phone, email and possibly others without consent. this isn't just some tom clancy novel. gathered intel is being used for questionable motives.