We speak here about not about words of the "fanboys", but about what manufactor is promising and delivering. Personally I don't remmember AMD setting any particular date for shipping SMP chipsets/boards. Do you ? Till now it always was only speculations and rumors.
And MS, btw shipped last version of Windows in the predicted time(WindowsME).
Well, unlike some other company AMD actually delivers what they promise. "The AMD760MP will be sampling in December, with boards available in Jan/February 2001. We were told it would support dual thunderbirds, as well as dual Durons...:)"
"A couple of other interesting things from the conference. According to the technical presentation the multi-processor board will be able to support only 2 processors on the Northbridge. We were told that the current Athlon chip has no issues with multi-processor functionality, the issue lies in the way that the Northbridge chipset was designed. Also, according to the tech guy the multi-processor boards will be able to use processors with differing speed grades (i.e. a 700MHz and a 900MHz processor running on the same board simultaneously). AMD will use the LDT bus to connect multiple Northbridge chipsets to allow multi-processing with more than 2 processors."
"As was pointed out previously, the North Bridge only supports 2 CPU's, however, the LDT bus supports multiple North Bridges, so 4, 8, and 16 CPU (and theoretically more) configs are possible one the LDT bus chipsets come out, mid 2001..."
"The LDT bus runs at 800Mhz, and 1.6Ghz clock rates, which means it can move 6.4 Gigabytes of data per second each way, 48 times the bandwidth of, and at a lower latency then the current PCI bus..."
"Based on their Diagrams, the CPUs' will communicate to the 'memory hub' across the EV-6 bus (at 266Mhz, moving to 400Mhz eventually), and the memory hub will communicate to peripherals across the LDT bus, which includes the I/O Hub, at 800Mhz (moving to 1.6ghz eventually)"
It's supposed to be possible to link a few 760m chipstes together with LDT bus. So by linking 2 760m chips you will have 4 way system. By linking 4 chips you will have 8 way system, and so on...
This page isn't done by KDE people. This page is done by Trolltech. In fact, on the KDE development mailing lists people didn't liked this writing also.
Hope that it will restore your respect to the KDE.
Nd AMD is just stumbling into this position by sheer luck, since Intel's finally decided to pump
resources into an architecture besides x86
It's not like Intel stop all development on x86. They still have Willy that supposed to come out in the Q4 which is supposed to be 7th generation of x86 in Intel. And tweaked once more P3 (to 0.13 micron process this time). And it's not luck that brought AMD to his current position but lot's of hard work. They did product that had better bang for backs, and they made it widely available. And it's not something that you can say about paper luanches of 1Ghz and 1.13Ghz P3. Intel's plan was going according to Moore law. Now it's supposed to be time for ~900Mhz cpus according to it. So it's what is available from Intel now. The rest is mostly paper (or "limited quantities") It'll be interesting to see how many vendors look blindly away from AMD and follow Intel onto the "next great thing".
Enought. Dell, SGI for example. But the problem that "next great thing" was supposed to be released in 1998
there could be a great chance, though, if AMD doesn't keep it in the high-end niche. If every chip, Duron or Athlon, they sell is 64 bit, it'd do great for market penetration... Hammer supposed to became common CPU that will be available in desktops.Unlike Itanik
In fact it's not supposed to be that expencive. The 64bit part of the chip supposed to add around 5% to the core size. So the price will be (according to the common belive that hammer it's dual mustang + 64bit unit) 2x 1.5GhzMustang + 64bit unit + LDT... I think that when it will be introduced (H2 2001)the price for the cheapest one wil be ~1500$(and then will go down slowly) and it will be hell more cheaper then Itanic system.
PS. I did started now new site, over here (Israel) with intention to sell it later to one of the ISPs:-)
To install differet IEs on windows it's easy: First you install whatever version of windows that comes with IE4 (I belive that it will be Win98). Then you install IE3 16bit version and after this you install IE5. During the installation of IE5 there is an option to install it to different directory and leave currently installed browser working. That's it.
There seems to be some really nice things on this ftp (like different toolbar icons, backgrounds, much better splash screen). Is it going to be realeased any time soon ?
Can you please tell me what's exectly is the big difference in look between KDE and GNOME (besides GTK themes, but don't forget that KDE2 comes with themes in 6 weeks)? KDE has start menu with a K, GNOME has start menu with a foot. Same minimize/close/maximize buttons, same menues in the programs. Same WIMP paradigm like in every damn GUI on every computer in this world(besides those who has only CLI). What's the big difference ? You say that KDE looks "I-wanna-be-M$"(what is this btw? never could figure it out) desktop. Don't forget who says that he admires MS and copies they features(hint..hint.. he things that unix sucks). What KDE wants to provide it's stability and usebility in the first place. And they do provide this ! Progress... let's speak about progress. KDE's development for the last 10 month i belive focused on KDE2 & KOffice (and not on bringing KDE1 to stable level). So unless you are compiling once in while cvs snapshots you don't really know about progress. The progress shourtly: Themes(i guess that the "ugly" part isn't relevent then); rewritten files manager and browser that support HTML4, CSS1, Java, Ecmascript; KOffce suite that is nicely integrated together(unlike like it was written somewhere downstears "collection of unrelated GTK & GNOME programs); KOM/KParts system that is working as proved by Koqueror & KOffice. Well... does it counts as progress ???
PS. , GNOME is just better way to get around the GUI. For me(and lot's of other people) best way to get around GUI it's by keyboard. And it's something that never could do in GNOME. PPS. StartOffice that is going to be rebuild in GTK with Bonobo and already called by some GnomeOffice imho going to be another mozilla(major rewrite, a couple of years and nothing on the horizont)
Why is this done? I believe Intel knows they can get people to buy things at the speeds and prices they set. [Last I checked, they're still making a profit on CPUs, so this strategy is still successful.]
Actually, in the last quarter more then half of their profits came from the investments and not from their "core operations": http://www.jc-news.com/pc/?peek=20000718
So maybe in the next few years Intel will transform from the tech company to investment firm:-)
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. Anyone care to speculate on what kind of processor AMD will develop by the time Intel actually releases Willamette?
In the next few days (from now)ALI supposed to release his DDR chipset for K7. Later AMD will release his AMD760 chipset (with DDR support) and then AMD760M aka SMP. Sometimes in Q4 AMD supposed to present Mustang that will have up to 2Mb of L2 cache (while teoreticlly I belive he can have up to 8Mb) and will start ramping from 1.5GHz. The n there is also have a bunch of mobile CPUs (Corvete aka mobile Tbird and Camaro aka mobile Duron) with powersaving technology. And then sometimes in 2001H1 AMD should present Sledgehammer, thier dual core, 32 and 64 bit capeble CPU with LDT controller ondie (that possible will allow creation of N-way SMP systems(where N > 1:-))
I belive that you are free to run KWord under AfterStep as long as you have kdelibs & kdesupport packages installed.And of course you are free not to run it at all. Is it free enoght ? And regarding mem requirements. I am not so worry about them as i worry about netscape, that sucked up 170Mb during one day last week(in fact in this moment i belive that kde+dozen of kde apps that i run take less memory then netscape). Hopefully Konqueror will come soon
Actually since yesterday i have troubles emailing freinds at hotmail. Pretty much everything that I sent comes back like this:
The original message was received at Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:15:22 +0200 (IST) from ntn-xxx-xxx.inter.net.il [212.68.xxx.xxx] (may be forged) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>
----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mc2.law5.hotmail.com.: >>> RCPT To:<xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com> <<< 554 Transaction failed 554 <xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>... Service unavailable 451 reply: read error from mc2.law5.hotmail.com
About one year ago Boris Babajan had a speach on some celebration. Here is a few quotes from his speach(in really bad translation):
...In 1991 when we made Elbrus-3 one american aspirant that knew about our work made speach about on one conference. Immideatly to us arrived leading "worker" from HP.They tried to convince us for a long time to work together. Later cleared out that in the same time HP started new project that after creating in 1994 alians between Intel and HP became Merced. I don't want to say that something was stolen from us. But we told everything.In 1991 we hadn't much expirience so we didn't took any papers. We think that at least we had really strong influnce on HP that they moved on this way. This is a new way in CPU architecture, the post-RISC one, the way of parallelism in command system(have no idea how to translate it right). If you will look at Merced it's same architecture as Elbrus-3. Maybe there is some differences but not to the better side. ...We worked for a long time with Sun.with us used to work David Ditzel great westerrn that first made us of word RISC. He was David Piterson in 1981 wrote artice talking about advantages of RISC and tried to convince companies to move to it. In 1991 he arrives to us after we speaked with Billy Joe and began to work with us. We worked together for 3 great years.I got his letters when he speaking about our architecture (Elbrus-3?) as about great one. Later he left Sun.He didn't succed to convince his company to make our architecture the main one. Then he formed his own company, Transmeta, where he continiued to develop same architecture that exist in Elbrus-3, architecture of wide command word(VLIW??) based on binaru compilation(binary tranlation system???), but in a bit different variant..... The impostance of this two exmaples shows that now, in post-superscalar world there is only 3 place where developed wide command word(VLIW?) architicture. First place is Moscow, our collective, second is HP-Intel, and third it's Transmeta together with IBM and Texas Instruments.That's It ! No one else has this technology. In order to develop it you need at least 10 years. Of coursse you can clone(steal) it. It's always fast. But to develop it independetly takes a lot of time...
The url for the whole speach is here. In russian of course.
Just finished to read a bit outdated but still interesting and actuall poll from december 1998, here named "AMERICANS AND THE Y2K MILLENNIUM COMPUTERBUG"
In the poll there was a question asking: "Will you withdraw all your money from the bank ?" 16% told that they will ! And 31% told that they will "withdraw and set aside a large amount of cash "So i afaraid it can be a LOT MORE people rioting !
The biggest danger to our society isn't from the actual Y2K problem, it's from the Y2K paranoia.
Totally agree here, but.... writing this makes me thing if this what will happen (collapsing financial system due to the money withdrawal from the banks), maybe it's better to pull the money out of the bank before it's happenes ?;-/
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We speak here about not about words of the "fanboys", but about what manufactor is promising and delivering. Personally I don't remmember AMD setting any particular date for shipping SMP chipsets/boards. Do you ? Till now it always was only speculations and rumors.
And MS, btw shipped last version of Windows in the predicted time(WindowsME).
Well, unlike some other company AMD actually delivers what they promise. :)"
"The AMD760MP will be sampling in December, with boards available in Jan/February 2001. We were told it would support dual thunderbirds, as well as dual Durons...
I guess we will have to wait and see
A couple of quotes from recent AMD Reseller Conference :
"A couple of other interesting things from the conference. According to the technical presentation the multi-processor board will be able to support only 2 processors on the Northbridge. We were told that the current Athlon chip has no issues with multi-processor functionality, the issue lies in the way that the Northbridge chipset was designed. Also, according to the tech guy the multi-processor boards will be able to use processors with differing speed grades (i.e. a 700MHz and a 900MHz processor running on the same board simultaneously). AMD will use the LDT bus to connect multiple Northbridge chipsets to allow multi-processing with more than 2 processors."
"As was pointed out previously, the North Bridge only supports 2 CPU's, however, the LDT bus supports multiple North Bridges, so 4, 8, and 16 CPU (and theoretically more) configs are possible one the LDT bus chipsets come out, mid 2001..."
"The LDT bus runs at 800Mhz, and 1.6Ghz clock rates, which means it can move 6.4 Gigabytes of data per second each way, 48 times the bandwidth of, and at a lower latency then the current PCI bus..."
"Based on their Diagrams, the CPUs' will communicate to the 'memory hub' across the EV-6 bus (at 266Mhz, moving to 400Mhz eventually), and the memory hub will communicate to peripherals across the LDT bus, which includes the I/O Hub, at 800Mhz (moving to 1.6ghz eventually)"
It's supposed to be possible to link a few 760m chipstes together with LDT bus. So by linking 2 760m chips you will have 4 way system. By linking 4 chips you will have 8 way system, and so on...
This page isn't done by KDE people. This page is done by Trolltech. In fact, on the KDE development mailing lists people didn't liked this writing also.
Hope that it will restore your respect to the KDE.
Nd AMD is just stumbling into this position by sheer luck, since Intel's finally decided to pump resources into an architecture besides x86
It's not like Intel stop all development on x86. They still have Willy that supposed to come out in the Q4 which is supposed to be 7th generation of x86 in Intel. And tweaked once more P3 (to 0.13 micron process this time). And it's not luck that brought AMD to his current position but lot's of hard work. They did product that had better bang for backs, and they made it widely available. And it's not something that you can say about paper luanches of 1Ghz and 1.13Ghz P3. Intel's plan was going according to Moore law. Now it's supposed to be time for ~900Mhz cpus according to it. So it's what is available from Intel now. The rest is mostly paper (or "limited quantities")
It'll be interesting to see how many vendors look blindly away from AMD and follow Intel onto the "next great thing".
Enought. Dell, SGI for example. But the problem that "next great thing" was supposed to be released in 1998
there could be a great chance, though, if AMD doesn't keep it in the high-end niche. If every chip, Duron or Athlon, they sell is 64 bit, it'd do great for market penetration...
Hammer supposed to became common CPU that will be available in desktops.Unlike Itanik
In fact it's not supposed to be that expencive. The 64bit part of the chip supposed to add around 5% to the core size. So the price will be (according to the common belive that hammer it's dual mustang + 64bit unit) 2x 1.5GhzMustang + 64bit unit + LDT...
:-)
I think that when it will be introduced (H2 2001)the price for the cheapest one wil be ~1500$(and then will go down slowly) and it will be hell more cheaper then Itanic system.
PS. I did started now new site, over here (Israel) with intention to sell it later to one of the ISPs
Coming soon:
1 Thz Processor Announced!
To install differet IEs on windows it's easy: First you install whatever version of windows that comes with IE4 (I belive that it will be Win98). Then you install IE3 16bit version and after this you install IE5. During the installation of IE5 there is an option to install it to different directory and leave currently installed browser working. That's it.
Nope. It's not a cheap trick. It's actually transparent
There seems to be some really nice things on this ftp (like different toolbar icons, backgrounds, much better splash screen).
Is it going to be realeased any time soon ?
Can you please tell me what's exectly is the big difference in look between KDE and GNOME (besides GTK themes, but don't forget that KDE2 comes with themes in 6 weeks)?
KDE has start menu with a K, GNOME has start menu with a foot. Same minimize/close/maximize buttons, same menues in the programs. Same WIMP paradigm like in every damn GUI on every computer in this world(besides those who has only CLI). What's the big difference ?
You say that KDE looks "I-wanna-be-M$"(what is this btw? never could figure it out) desktop. Don't forget who says that he admires MS and copies they features(hint..hint.. he things that unix sucks). What KDE wants to provide it's stability and usebility in the first place. And they do provide this !
Progress... let's speak about progress. KDE's development for the last 10 month i belive focused on KDE2 & KOffice (and not on bringing KDE1 to stable level). So unless you are compiling once in while cvs snapshots you don't really know about progress. The progress shourtly: Themes(i guess that the "ugly" part isn't relevent then); rewritten files manager and browser that support HTML4, CSS1, Java, Ecmascript; KOffce suite that is nicely integrated together(unlike like it was written somewhere downstears "collection of unrelated GTK & GNOME programs); KOM/KParts system that is working as proved by Koqueror & KOffice. Well... does it counts as progress ???
PS. , GNOME is just better way to get around the GUI. For me(and lot's of other people) best way to get around GUI it's by keyboard. And it's something that never could do in GNOME.
PPS. StartOffice that is going to be rebuild in GTK with Bonobo and already called by some GnomeOffice imho going to be another mozilla(major rewrite, a couple of years and nothing on the horizont)
Why is this done? I believe Intel knows they can get people to buy things at the speeds and prices they set. [Last I checked, they're still making a profit on CPUs, so this strategy is still successful.]
:-)
Actually, in the last quarter more then half of their profits came from the investments and not from their "core operations":
http://www.jc-news.com/pc/?peek=20000718
So maybe in the next few years Intel will transform from the tech company to investment firm
. Anyone care to speculate on what kind of processor AMD will develop by the time Intel actually releases Willamette?
. :-))
In the next few days (from now)ALI supposed to release his DDR chipset for K7. Later AMD will release his AMD760 chipset (with DDR support) and then AMD760M aka SMP.
Sometimes in Q4 AMD supposed to present Mustang that will have up to 2Mb of L2 cache (while teoreticlly I belive he can have up to 8Mb) and will start ramping from 1.5GHz
The n there is also have a bunch of mobile CPUs (Corvete aka mobile Tbird and Camaro aka mobile Duron) with powersaving technology.
And then sometimes in 2001H1 AMD should present Sledgehammer, thier dual core, 32 and 64 bit capeble CPU with LDT controller ondie (that possible will allow creation of N-way SMP systems(where N > 1
I belive that you are free to run KWord under AfterStep as long as you have kdelibs & kdesupport packages installed.And of course you are free not to run it at all. Is it free enoght ?
And regarding mem requirements. I am not so worry about them as i worry about netscape, that sucked up 170Mb during one day last week(in fact in this moment i belive that kde+dozen of kde apps that i run take less memory then netscape). Hopefully Konqueror will come soon
Quanta+ is the closes thing to the homesite that I saw till now
Isn't IBM now is the dot in dot com ?
Actually windows(2k) do support transparency. Stardock's tool only sets WS_EX_LAYERED flag I belive.
Check this page out.
Yep. There is a litlle utility set can help you define transparency level of any window (in w2k).
source and exe
And here's one more : Rambus Impressions, From A Technical Standpoint
Actually since yesterday i have troubles emailing freinds at hotmail. :
... while talking to mc2.law5.hotmail.com.:
Pretty much everything that I sent comes back like this
The original message was received at Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:15:22 +0200 (IST)
from ntn-xxx-xxx.inter.net.il [212.68.xxx.xxx] (may be forged)
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>
----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>> RCPT To:<xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>
<<< 554 Transaction failed
554 <xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>... Service unavailable
451 reply: read error from mc2.law5.hotmail.com
About one year ago Boris Babajan had a speach on some celebration. Here is a few quotes from his speach(in really bad translation):
...In 1991 when we made Elbrus-3 one american aspirant that knew about our work made speach about on one conference. Immideatly to us arrived leading "worker" from HP.They tried to convince us for a long time to work together. Later cleared out that in the same time HP started new project that after creating in 1994 alians between Intel and HP became Merced. I don't want to say that something was stolen from us. But we told everything.In 1991 we hadn't much expirience so we didn't took any papers. We think that at least we had really strong influnce on HP that they moved on this way. This is a new way in CPU architecture, the post-RISC one, the way of parallelism in command system(have no idea how to translate it right). If you will look at Merced it's same architecture as Elbrus-3. Maybe there is some differences but not to the better side.
...We worked for a long time with Sun.with us used to work David Ditzel great westerrn that first made us of word RISC. He was David Piterson in 1981 wrote artice talking about advantages of RISC and tried to convince companies to move to it. In 1991 he arrives to us after we speaked with Billy Joe and began to work with us. We worked together for 3 great years.I got his letters when he speaking about our architecture (Elbrus-3?) as about great one. Later he left Sun.He didn't succed to convince his company to make our architecture the main one. Then he formed his own company, Transmeta, where he continiued to develop same architecture that exist in Elbrus-3, architecture of wide command word(VLIW??) based on binaru compilation(binary tranlation system???), but in a bit different variant.....
The impostance of this two exmaples shows that now, in post-superscalar world there is only 3 place where developed wide command word(VLIW?) architicture. First place is Moscow, our collective, second is HP-Intel, and third it's Transmeta together with IBM and Texas Instruments.That's It ! No one else has this technology. In order to develop it you need at least 10 years. Of coursse you can clone(steal) it. It's always fast. But to develop it independetly takes a lot of time...
The url for the whole speach is here. In russian of course.
Just finished to read a bit outdated but still interesting and actuall poll from december 1998, here named "AMERICANS AND THE Y2K MILLENNIUM COMPUTERBUG"
:
;-/
In the poll there was a question asking
"Will you withdraw all your money from the bank ?"
16% told that they will ! And 31% told that they will "withdraw and set aside a large amount of cash "So i afaraid it can be a LOT MORE people rioting !
The biggest danger to our society isn't from the actual Y2K problem, it's from the Y2K paranoia.
Totally agree here, but.... writing this makes me thing if this what will happen (collapsing financial system due to the money withdrawal from the banks), maybe it's better to pull the money out of the bank before it's happenes ?
Oblom