maybe I should have post about how atheists like Stalin and Mao killed many millions of people? You like way too many other people just don't get it point so I will spell it out for you. Guess what PEOPLE do really great things. Some PEOPLE do really crappy things. The people that do the worst things will use anything they can as an excuse for their acts. It doesn't matter if it is a member of the KKK, or a Bigot on Slashdot bashing someone for going to church. They will find some way that makes them feel like they are better than someone else and give them an excuse to attack. Then you have the other less than pleasant people that are jumping down this guys throat for even asking this question when he or she could just Google it. Well maybe but it is NOT the authors fault that it is on Slashdot. THE EDITORS DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A QUESTION WORTH ASKING. So those that are complaining about this being a stupid thing to ask should really be complaining to the editors for not well editing what ends up on Slashdot. So what it comes down to is if YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY THAT WILL HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION THEN DO NOT POST. IF YOU THINK THIS QUESTION IS STUPID THEN BLAME SLASHDOT. IF YOU DO NOT CHOOSE TO GO TO CHURCH THEN PRETEND THAT HE IS ASKING ABOUT SETTING IT UP AT A FREAKING HO TRAIN CLUB!
No there are a few others. 1. GUIs require a monitor to be attached or a lot of bandwidth for a remote display. 2. GUIs are often less efficient when you know what you are doing. It takes more time often to do things with a GUI than with a command line. 3. GUIs means more code which means more cycles and more bugs and potential security holes. You can not have bugs and or holes in code that is not written. Less danger than a driver because it runs in the user space vs the kernel but still can be a problem. 4. Video cards and or controllers take power and make heat. Things that are just not needed for servers.
For the most part I am not as militant as the posts may seem. You and I are at odds because I was commenting on all the people that think that YOU MUST HAVE A GUI for server. I feel that no sysadmin task should REQUIRE a GUI like Windows Server does and that no sys admin should require a GUI. When you are stuck with only a low bandwidth connection to your server SSH works when a GUI will fail. And all of this really only applies to professional sysadmins. And do not think I am slamming you. We both know what the term "As a rule" means. Every real pro knows that there comes a time for "what ever works". Hard and fast rules are for students and professors.
And their are some servers out their that must be run by someone who just kind of had it dropped on them. They have some other real job and they are now forced to admin some server at a small office or they want to run a NAS at home. Those bloody well better have a GUI even if it is Webmin. Truth is that I constantly have to deal with or own support staff at work that are just idiots. When I ask them if they did an ipconfig or tracert to see if the user is having some issue I constantly get, "I don't know DOS"! And I am not allowed to punch them in the throat which I feel is just unfair after the tell me that for the third time.
Come on everybody knows that Religion is nothing but a scam and all religious people are stupid and evil. Look that those scumbags like the Reverend Martian Luther King and Bishop Desmond Tutu!
If you are developing monster apps you then you better have a test network for your testing and debugging. You seem to have things really crossed up. This is about whole thread was about Windows Server migrating away from a mandatory GUI. Microsoft is even telling vendors that they better make their stuff run with out a GUI. Of course there is an odd case here and there when you might want to have a GUI on a sever but really is you are using X apps on a server than use them the way X was intended. Of course lets be really honest about all of this. The reason to not require a GUI interface so you do not have to worry about video drivers running on a mission critical server. The old rule that the less code you have running the more secure and stable you OS is really very true. But now we are heading into the world of CUDA and OpenCL. Soon server software will require GPUs to be installed. Not for GUIs but to handle things like encryption, transcoding, and any other heavy floating point stuff that can be off loaded. All just when Microsoft finally gets it that a command line is the best way to deal with a server.
Ubuntu Server is just a default install that is targeted at servers. It has a longer life cycle but you can add all the same packages to it that you do to Ubuntu Desktop. Now on Windows things are very different "and frankly just evil" with some versions of Window 7 you are limited to just a few cores or X amount of memory. Linux doesn't really have those limitations outside of the logical limitations of 32 vs 64 bit versions. You can install both "flavors" server or workstation of Ubuntu on a machine with 24 cores and 128 megabytes of ram and it will use them. That is a vastly different situation from Windows.
Not a thing you said contradicts the idea that a GUI on a server is silly? "Some enterprise software packages downright require a gui to install. Yes, unbelievably stupid is that is, it is reality." Well under windows they better fix that now shouldn't they? Trouble shooting on a server? Should that be done on a workstation using a VM? Developers using a server? Really? Even then wouldn't you run the X server on a workstation and use SSH tunneling to run the app on the server hardware? "If not using a VM". Of course people may use a GUI on a server from time to time but to say that it is REQUIRED is just silly. As to your enterprise package that requires a GUI to install... Doesn't it make wonder what other scary silliness is in that package? Just saying... Even then SSH Tunneling of X to the workstation seems like the way to go for that. Just saying.
Terminal services run the GUI on the "terminal" or should and not on the server. It isn't like you have X number of RGB/DVI/HDMI monitors hooked up to the server now is it?
1. I never said it was easy. 2. This is Slashdot not a medical journal. Actually if I made these sound trivial it was not my goal. The ability to sequence anything is still new. Hopefully at some point we can sequence a bacteria and simulate it well enough that we can understand how to defeat it.
Maybe you should learn teh differences between facts and opinion. If Windows tanked it would take C# with it. Yes I know about Mono but it is just a blip.
True enough. Actually there are a couple of means to attack this strain. 1. We should sequence those strains and see if we can identify any weakness to exploit. 2. Discover how their resistance works. For example strains that are resistant to say penicillin tend to make an enzyme that breaks down penicillin. So possibly one could make a drug that binds that enzyme and combine it with the antibiotic or change the antibiotic that the enzyme has no effect or even have the drug activated by the enzyme. 3. Bacteriophages are an interesting but really under researched treatment in the West. The old USSR did a lot of research in to them and frankly we should start as well.
Of course what is really scary are the folks that are no in "raw" milk. They are making claims that it can cure everything from cancer to Autism all the while providing an excellent vector for TB.
Un no if you are on Linux you are using Linux. Linux doesn't have a "server" version. On windows You would probably be running Windows Ultimate on a workstation. Or maybe Windows Server with the GUI turned on. But you are not running it on a server but Windows 7 Ultimate supports up to 256 cores so even with a 4 socket motherboard you are still good to go.
"upload database files somewhere, or move media around, or something related to his organization's operations." umm have you never heard of SFTP and the copy command? Really a sysadmin that HAS TO HAVE A GUI TO DO FILE MANAGEMENT?
"It's the kind of thing that makes sense after you've experienced it once or twice." No it really doesn't, not at all.
"Having them on server means you have access to much better bandwidth and your programs can run 24/7, and you can easily deploy more servers if you need to" What? Really what are you talking about? If you are running a GUI application on a server that is not just wrong but down right silly. You need more bandwidth? Then you get it more bandwidth. Now if you are talking about machines with more than one CPU and a lot of memory then sure. Those are called workstations. They may use the same motherboard as a server but they are not being used as a server. A server needs a GUI like a submarine needs a screen door. If you are going to run anything like that on a server you should really use a VM anyway so that it will not take down the entire box when it crashes.
Anything on a server that you can get ride of like a video card means less heat, less power used, and less cost. It is also one less thing to fail. RDP? how much bandwidth does that take? A lot more than ssh and command line. And that is why real tech companies use Unix/Linux for servers.
Mules are a bad example. Their cells reproduce even if the entire collection does not. Which then makes the question are you and I alive or our cells alive or both. Our cells reproduce, live, and die all the time we are alive.
This entire question is frankly pretty dumb. Should scientists rethink the definition of life? Well yes of course they should. They should rethink almost everything all the time. Should they redefine life? Well maybe in light of things like a Viruses and prions. When it comes to is life made of carbon and uses water? Well most likely yes. Carbon chemical properties lends it to making the kind fo structures that things we call life need. Other elements do not have the same chemical and physical properties. The same goes for the compound we call water. Odds are that life will use carbon and water because of the very laws of physics. Could we get surprised and find other kinds of life? Yes but fact that no life on earth uses anything but carbon and water pretty much shows that this is the best structure for life under the conditions that exists across the entire planet from the highest mountain, to the deepest sea trench, to the hot smokers to the coldest ice caps and every place in between. In this case go with what you know.
Umm... No you are wrong. Video? Try Sigint, Elint, synthetic apature radar, IR, and on some missions gamma and neutron. In other words the entire spectrum from HF radio to well past UV. so in other words I call ignorance.
Actually only for take off and landings. It is the latency issue that causes them to have local pilots for take off and landings. it is funny but I was talking to a friend of mine that worked on drones about two years ago and he told me the same thing. Bandwidth is and will be an issue for a long time to come. You only have X amount of spectrum in which to transmit data. That is why AEW aircraft take controllers with them instead of beaming the data back to some command center. Bandwidth gets tricky when you get past LOS range and satellites introduce real latency issues. Also their is not proof that Iran brought down that drone by spoofing GPS. It is actually very unlikely that they did. Drones use encrypted GPS and it is not very likely that Iran broke the encryption keys. It is far more likely that the drone had a problem and came down.
You left out color. That is part of the problem. Not all "books" are the same. Not all are A4 sized. Some need color, some do not. Here is an example of the problem. I have a Kindle Fire which I use for two of my magazines, Cycle World and Motorcyclist. When I use "page view" it is terrible to read them. Now when I use Text view it is great to read the articles. In fact better than on paper. I do not have to deal with "continued on page" in text mode. The down side is I do not get to see the ads. And yes sometimes the ads are useful. One of the advertisers could have a jacket on close out that I really want. On the Fire I will miss it. I have to admit that I do love just reading the article from start to finish with out the page hunting.
Well hopefully the had extra station keeping fuel on board so the impact will not be too great. The issue is that while the article was not great the summary was pure click bait.
Yep. Oh and I left out that you can use a printer port for IO under Linux. So if you have the slots and or one on the motherboard you can play real devices way.
probably. But by then they may have a better replacement ready. My point was that the summary of this article was so incomplete and full of spin that it looked like a political advertisement.
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maybe I should have post about how atheists like Stalin and Mao killed many millions of people?
You like way too many other people just don't get it point so I will spell it out for you.
Guess what PEOPLE do really great things. Some PEOPLE do really crappy things. The people that do the worst things will use anything they can as an excuse for their acts. It doesn't matter if it is a member of the KKK, or a Bigot on Slashdot bashing someone for going to church. They will find some way that makes them feel like they are better than someone else and give them an excuse to attack.
Then you have the other less than pleasant people that are jumping down this guys throat for even asking this question when he or she could just Google it. Well maybe but it is NOT the authors fault that it is on Slashdot. THE EDITORS DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A QUESTION WORTH ASKING. So those that are complaining about this being a stupid thing to ask should really be complaining to the editors for not well editing what ends up on Slashdot.
So what it comes down to is if YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY THAT WILL HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION THEN DO NOT POST. IF YOU THINK THIS QUESTION IS STUPID THEN BLAME SLASHDOT. IF YOU DO NOT CHOOSE TO GO TO CHURCH THEN PRETEND THAT HE IS ASKING ABOUT SETTING IT UP AT A FREAKING HO TRAIN CLUB!
No there are a few others.
1. GUIs require a monitor to be attached or a lot of bandwidth for a remote display.
2. GUIs are often less efficient when you know what you are doing. It takes more time often to do things with a GUI than with a command line.
3. GUIs means more code which means more cycles and more bugs and potential security holes. You can not have bugs and or holes in code that is not written. Less danger than a driver because it runs in the user space vs the kernel but still can be a problem.
4. Video cards and or controllers take power and make heat. Things that are just not needed for servers.
For the most part I am not as militant as the posts may seem. You and I are at odds because I was commenting on all the people that think that YOU MUST HAVE A GUI for server. I feel that no sysadmin task should REQUIRE a GUI like Windows Server does and that no sys admin should require a GUI.
When you are stuck with only a low bandwidth connection to your server SSH works when a GUI will fail.
And all of this really only applies to professional sysadmins. And do not think I am slamming you. We both know what the term "As a rule" means. Every real pro knows that there comes a time for "what ever works". Hard and fast rules are for students and professors.
And their are some servers out their that must be run by someone who just kind of had it dropped on them. They have some other real job and they are now forced to admin some server at a small office or they want to run a NAS at home. Those bloody well better have a GUI even if it is Webmin.
Truth is that I constantly have to deal with or own support staff at work that are just idiots. When I ask them if they did an ipconfig or tracert to see if the user is having some issue I constantly get, "I don't know DOS"!
And I am not allowed to punch them in the throat which I feel is just unfair after the tell me that for the third time.
Come on everybody knows that Religion is nothing but a scam and all religious people are stupid and evil.
Look that those scumbags like the Reverend Martian Luther King and Bishop Desmond Tutu!
If you are developing monster apps you then you better have a test network for your testing and debugging.
You seem to have things really crossed up. This is about whole thread was about Windows Server migrating away from a mandatory GUI.
Microsoft is even telling vendors that they better make their stuff run with out a GUI.
Of course there is an odd case here and there when you might want to have a GUI on a sever but really is you are using X apps on a server than use them the way X was intended.
Of course lets be really honest about all of this. The reason to not require a GUI interface so you do not have to worry about video drivers running on a mission critical server. The old rule that the less code you have running the more secure and stable you OS is really very true. But now we are heading into the world of CUDA and OpenCL. Soon server software will require GPUs to be installed. Not for GUIs but to handle things like encryption, transcoding, and any other heavy floating point stuff that can be off loaded. All just when Microsoft finally gets it that a command line is the best way to deal with a server.
Ubuntu Server is just a default install that is targeted at servers. It has a longer life cycle but you can add all the same packages to it that you do to Ubuntu Desktop.
Now on Windows things are very different "and frankly just evil" with some versions of Window 7 you are limited to just a few cores or X amount of memory. Linux doesn't really have those limitations outside of the logical limitations of 32 vs 64 bit versions.
You can install both "flavors" server or workstation of Ubuntu on a machine with 24 cores and 128 megabytes of ram and it will use them.
That is a vastly different situation from Windows.
Not a thing you said contradicts the idea that a GUI on a server is silly?
"Some enterprise software packages downright require a gui to install. Yes, unbelievably stupid is that is, it is reality." Well under windows they better fix that now shouldn't they?
Trouble shooting on a server? Should that be done on a workstation using a VM? Developers using a server? Really? Even then wouldn't you run the X server on a workstation and use SSH tunneling to run the app on the server hardware? "If not using a VM".
Of course people may use a GUI on a server from time to time but to say that it is REQUIRED is just silly.
As to your enterprise package that requires a GUI to install... Doesn't it make wonder what other scary silliness is in that package? Just saying...
Even then SSH Tunneling of X to the workstation seems like the way to go for that. Just saying.
Terminal services run the GUI on the "terminal" or should and not on the server. It isn't like you have X number of RGB/DVI/HDMI monitors hooked up to the server now is it?
1. I never said it was easy.
2. This is Slashdot not a medical journal.
Actually if I made these sound trivial it was not my goal. The ability to sequence anything is still new. Hopefully at some point we can sequence a bacteria and simulate it well enough that we can understand how to defeat it.
Maybe you should learn teh differences between facts and opinion.
If Windows tanked it would take C# with it. Yes I know about Mono but it is just a blip.
Actually IOS does allow you to develop in C++ if you want.
http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/11079/objective-c-or-c-for-ios-games
and here
http://iphonedevelopertips.com/cpp/c-on-iphone-part-1.html
for examples.
To be honest I have worked in C++ and Objective-C and I like Objective-C better. When I work on Windows or Linux I use C++ because that is the better supported language on those platforms. On IOS I use Objective C.
True enough.
Actually there are a couple of means to attack this strain.
1. We should sequence those strains and see if we can identify any weakness to exploit.
2. Discover how their resistance works. For example strains that are resistant to say penicillin tend to make an enzyme that breaks down penicillin. So possibly one could make a drug that binds that enzyme and combine it with the antibiotic or change the antibiotic that the enzyme has no effect or even have the drug activated by the enzyme.
3. Bacteriophages are an interesting but really under researched treatment in the West. The old USSR did a lot of research in to them and frankly we should start as well.
Of course what is really scary are the folks that are no in "raw" milk. They are making claims that it can cure everything from cancer to Autism all the while providing an excellent vector for TB.
Un no if you are on Linux you are using Linux. Linux doesn't have a "server" version.
On windows You would probably be running Windows Ultimate on a workstation. Or maybe Windows Server with the GUI turned on. But you are not running it on a server but Windows 7 Ultimate supports up to 256 cores so even with a 4 socket motherboard you are still good to go.
What the heck are you doing a realtime wavform analysis on a server for? Get a workstation!
"upload database files somewhere, or move media around, or something related to his organization's operations."
umm have you never heard of SFTP and the copy command?
Really a sysadmin that HAS TO HAVE A GUI TO DO FILE MANAGEMENT?
"It's the kind of thing that makes sense after you've experienced it once or twice."
No it really doesn't, not at all.
"Having them on server means you have access to much better bandwidth and your programs can run 24/7, and you can easily deploy more servers if you need to"
What?
Really what are you talking about? If you are running a GUI application on a server that is not just wrong but down right silly.
You need more bandwidth? Then you get it more bandwidth.
Now if you are talking about machines with more than one CPU and a lot of memory then sure. Those are called workstations. They may use the same motherboard as a server but they are not being used as a server.
A server needs a GUI like a submarine needs a screen door. If you are going to run anything like that on a server you should really use a VM anyway so that it will not take down the entire box when it crashes.
Anything on a server that you can get ride of like a video card means less heat, less power used, and less cost. It is also one less thing to fail. RDP? how much bandwidth does that take? A lot more than ssh and command line.
And that is why real tech companies use Unix/Linux for servers.
Mules are a bad example. Their cells reproduce even if the entire collection does not.
Which then makes the question are you and I alive or our cells alive or both. Our cells reproduce, live, and die all the time we are alive.
This entire question is frankly pretty dumb. Should scientists rethink the definition of life? Well yes of course they should. They should rethink almost everything all the time.
Should they redefine life? Well maybe in light of things like a Viruses and prions.
When it comes to is life made of carbon and uses water? Well most likely yes. Carbon chemical properties lends it to making the kind fo structures that things we call life need. Other elements do not have the same chemical and physical properties. The same goes for the compound we call water. Odds are that life will use carbon and water because of the very laws of physics. Could we get surprised and find other kinds of life? Yes but fact that no life on earth uses anything but carbon and water pretty much shows that this is the best structure for life under the conditions that exists across the entire planet from the highest mountain, to the deepest sea trench, to the hot smokers to the coldest ice caps and every place in between. In this case go with what you know.
The Air Force drones do not. The Army and Navy Drones do.
Umm... No you are wrong.
Video?
Try Sigint, Elint, synthetic apature radar, IR, and on some missions gamma and neutron.
In other words the entire spectrum from HF radio to well past UV.
so in other words I call ignorance.
Actually only for take off and landings. It is the latency issue that causes them to have local pilots for take off and landings.
it is funny but I was talking to a friend of mine that worked on drones about two years ago and he told me the same thing.
Bandwidth is and will be an issue for a long time to come. You only have X amount of spectrum in which to transmit data. That is why AEW aircraft take controllers with them instead of beaming the data back to some command center.
Bandwidth gets tricky when you get past LOS range and satellites introduce real latency issues.
Also their is not proof that Iran brought down that drone by spoofing GPS. It is actually very unlikely that they did. Drones use encrypted GPS and it is not very likely that Iran broke the encryption keys. It is far more likely that the drone had a problem and came down.
You left out color.
That is part of the problem. Not all "books" are the same.
Not all are A4 sized. Some need color, some do not.
Here is an example of the problem.
I have a Kindle Fire which I use for two of my magazines, Cycle World and Motorcyclist. When I use "page view" it is terrible to read them. Now when I use Text view it is great to read the articles. In fact better than on paper. I do not have to deal with "continued on page" in text mode.
The down side is I do not get to see the ads. And yes sometimes the ads are useful. One of the advertisers could have a jacket on close out that I really want. On the Fire I will miss it.
I have to admit that I do love just reading the article from start to finish with out the page hunting.
Well hopefully the had extra station keeping fuel on board so the impact will not be too great. The issue is that while the article was not great the summary was pure click bait.
Yep. Oh and I left out that you can use a printer port for IO under Linux. So if you have the slots and or one on the motherboard you can play real devices way.
They had to replace the Forth edition. It is an RPG people, RPN has no place in it.
probably.
But by then they may have a better replacement ready.
My point was that the summary of this article was so incomplete and full of spin that it looked like a political advertisement.
Not much but how about this?
Suppose you want to build a remote weather station that is powered by solar power.
You could use simple Morse to communicate with it or with more CPU power you could use PSK31?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSK31
A PI should have more than enough power to do that while an Arduino probably would not.
Or for Robotics? Or......
I see these as filling different niches The PI model b also has a NIC onboard as well as USB. You can and a NIC to the Arudino but it isn't as cheap as the PI then. Also the USB port means that adding Wifi and or bluetooth is also pretty cheap as you can just use cheap off the shelf USB devices.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=USB+Wifi&hl=en&prmd=imvnsr&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1170&bih=580&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1441979504990399921&sa=X&ei=DEULT764OYb50gGpzPinAg&ved=0CLMBEPMCMAE
and http://www.google.com/products/catalog?pq=usb+wifi&hl=en&ds=pr&cp=5&gs_id=n&xhr=t&q=usb+bluetooth&tok=OjXamipMnNn461K3sUf7PQ&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1170&bih=580&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=5941927603346482198&sa=X&ei=LkULT727Gsba0QHs2szUBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CKwBEPMCMAE
for example.
You will also have a full USB stack, BlueTooth stack, and TCP/IP stack with the PI.
So both have pluses and minuses. If you just want to open a garage door then an Arduino is probably good enough.
If you want to open it from your smart phone or you computer on your wifi network and log when people show up and maybe even use a web cam to see who is going in the garage? Well a PI might be just the ticket.