No but it erases all trust. The US has not made any new ICBMs since the MX in the late 80s. All the production lines have been closed for a while. Our current ICBMs are Minutemen which where produced in the 60s and maybe early 70s. We have updated the electronics of course. The MX was retired to meet treaty obligations. The Trident is an SLBM and those are also out of production but we are making spare parts for them too keep them in service. Other sites list many other errors in his movies but that was the one I knew was a total fabrication. But since you are an AC I will explain it to you. Whenever someone presents data to me and I find some that is completely false I believe it is wise to cast all the data as false until proven other wise. If they lied about that then what else are they lying about? When a persons agenda means more then the truth they are a danger to all and should never be trusted. I am not talking about errors since we all make them but this was a claiming to be a documentary. And his point was that we where making ICBMs just like we where claiming that Iraq was. That statement was 100% false and any fact checking effort would have proven that. He picked a factory that made ULVs that was near him and lied. If he had looked up the Titan IV he would have seen that it was not a ballistic missile but a launch vehicle. In theory you could use it as a ballistic missile just as you could use a Learjet as a nuclear bomber but that is just more justification of a lie.
Except that his movies made at least one completely false statement that I know of for sure. He said that factory that was making the Titan IV was making ballistic missiles. It is not and has never been a ballistic missile. It was based on the Titan II which was ballistic missile but was retired from service long ago.
really where do you have a lot of people and no cell service. I know that in most of Africa the cities and towns have cell service as do Central America. In the rural and wild areas your are correct in all but one detail... There isn't a lot of people there!
Yep because trees and critters don't use a lot of cell phones. Even in those areas If you check the highways going through them I bet you will see cellphone coverage. Here is a good example. I picked a town in the middle of nowhere Colorado called Hugo. Verizon has coverage and that town only has 800 people or so in it. And yes I just grabbed a town off of google maps.
Not really. let's take the iridium system for costs. 66 Satellites at around 5 million each. Then figure in launch costs and spares and you are going to be at a half a billion dollars easy. Not think about the costs of the ground based infrastructure. Then add in financing and things get really expensive. Now of that 2% in the US how many of them will have coverage near their home? In the then nearest town and or the highway to the town? Let's face it at their home they probably have a land line and can us an FSR or CB on their property. So out of the 9 million how many would pay the high cost for a satellite phone? Simple answer is a few will and that is why the market is super small and expensive.
(maybe apart from paypal, which runs both on same systems).
You really think that they they are being selective or that the payment network is just out of their reach? And they where hitting paypal and that could hurt a lot of people and as I posted even Assange doesn't support it.
Please this is simple and harmful vandalism. Nothing more that a few script kiddies pretending that they are some kind of freedom fighter. Next week 4Chan will attack some company that only offers none fat milk in their coffee.
Really? Exactly where do you have a lot of people without cell towers and the money to pay for satellite phones? I will even take the wealth part out. Where do you have a lot of people and no cell towers. Almost universally everyplace with a lot of people has cell coverage. "Cuba and North Korea do not count because.. well let's not be stupid the government would never allow satellite phones."
Really it isn't making things worse. 1. What about the people who's businesses depend on PayPal, Visa, or MasterCard? 2. What about the customers that just want to do their shopping? And are you so foolish to think that innocent people that are getting financially hurt over this "unfairness" are going to support wikileaks and the protesters or they are going to support more governmental crack downs on such stupid vandalism? Like I said it is the Watts Riots or the Zootsuit riots and not a useful protest. It is harmful, dangerous, and frankly just downright stupid. Wikileaks now looks like the villian and is blackmailing the world. And to put in completely in perspective on just how childish and harmful this vandalism is... Assange doesn't even support it! http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/10/assange-distances-wikileaks-cyber-attacks/ Yes I know it is fox news but they did do a telephone interview with his lawyer.
Look at the downside. 1. They will not work inside or in a car. 2. Cost. The upside is they will work in places that don't have cell coverage which are now few and far between. The use case is limited and the cost to put up satellites is high. Not only that but satellites just can not support as many users as cell sites+fiber. The math only works out for things like ships, trains, aircraft over the ocean, news organisations, military, spies, aircraft, and scientists. Even the phones on planes tend to use ground towers because of cost. They reason why the struggle is so simple. Small user base plus high deployment costs equals not a great market.
Bull. Civil rights protests where to change laws. To change the laws people showed that they where willing to break those laws in a way that didn't cause harm. First of all they didn't have sit ins at dinners. That sat down and tried to be customers! They didn't block others from being customers! That is one of the many problems with this world. People try and draw conclusions based on history they don't even know. What 4Chan is doing more along the lines of the Watts riots. It is also absolutely dumb to expect a company to stand up to the government they need to work under. To use your own words "why go to jail if you don't have too?"
This isn't a civil rights protest. This is a bunch of script kiddies throwing a temper tantrum. Really Visa and Mastercard sites are mainly used by end users to do things like check transactions. Taking it down didn't hurt their bottom line at all. This is simple vandalism and not activism. The civil rights protesters stood up for what was right and a lot of them went to jail. The the 4chan script kiddies are doing is digital hiding out in the bushes and throwing eggs are cars and spay painting graffiti.
Why do you find it interesting? The same people talking about "freedom fighters" still have their Amazon wish lists, Visa and MasterCards sitting in their wallets, and are using PayPal to buy that limited edition anime they found on Ebay.... It is simply typical arm chair protesters.
PayPal, Visa, Amazon, and MasterCard are all saying that they do not want to do business with Wikileaks. Anonymous is pretty much running nothing short of a protection scam on them. "Yea you better do as I say or else..." Some people say the government is doing the same thing and they very well may be. Isn't trying to force an action by extortion wrong? I got no problem if one wants to protest by not buying from Amazon, PayPal, Visa, or MasterCard but DOS attack on them is an attack.
They can say what they want. I have seen the pro climate change side say equally as stupid things many times. Like that Katrina was caused by global warming or the two bad tropical storm seasons proved that it was happening. I do find the almost religious zeal of the pro-climate change people to be really a pain as well. They will criticize and dismiss any data that threatens their belief. That is the very definition of bad science. But the theory that man made CO2 is going cause extreme climatic change is not proven. That being said I am all for trying to curb CO2 emissions. It is just simple logic. 1. Large increases in CO2 do cause in increase in the "green house effect". 2. We are seeing in increase in CO2 levels. Not massive but significant. 3. We are seeing some warming. So even without proof the logical choice is to curb emissions since if we are wrong the net effect will be harmless but it may avoid a lot of problems. I am all for making an effort in the attempt to avoid problems. But bad science, zealotry, and being dismissive are just unnecessary and harmful to the debate. Now the person you replied to that started this is doing all that and more but I doubt that he would understand any of what I said. My guess is he would have latched on to my statements about no proof and flat out bad concussions and use that to reenforce his world view. So I fear that replying to him would have done more harm than good.
So what papers have you published on the subject that causes you to skeptical? I am skeptical of all papers myself but interested. My strong comments tend to be limited to physics, some chemistry, aerodynamics, aerospace, and computer science. In other words things that had professorial or at least some college level work in. I have no problem with anybody being critical or skeptical within reason. But the fact that you would demand that some have publish a paper before commenting on Slashdot when you your self are now doing the exact same thing I find hysterical and hypocritical in the extreme.
That and the fact that you feel that they should just shut up because they do not agree with you is also hysterical? Why should they shut up any more than you should? Are you afraid that they may persuade people to do the wrong thing? Are you trying to protect us poor souls from having to separate the wheat from the chaff our self?
You know I am all for reducing CO2 emissions because right now I look at the data and the risk to benefit ratio is for cutting. Or course I also see that if China and India don't start cutting that if the west does it wrong what will happen is that high CO2 manufacturing operations will just move to unregulated countries and the end result will be an increase in CO2. But your elitist attitude that your view point should be heard while others should be silenced is both offensive and immoral. I am just as capable if not more so to read the journals and listen to all the view points as you are. So since you feel that no one should comment on paper when they themselves have not published I would simply ask that you sir follow your own rules. Or retract that statement as useless grandstanding.
Maybe I should have used the term unfounded instead of not fair.
I for the most part agree with you. I do have a real dislike for second handers. But those include those that do nothing but shift money from place to place while getting a huge cut.
Basically you and I agree. Both Marx and Rand are not ways to run the world.
Yes people deserve the fruits of their labor but that charity, kindness, and compassion are strengths and virtues, not weakness.
Or as my mother would say work hard and don't be a jerk face.
Speaking of which I bet they are short of people buying Christmas Angels this year and I know that my local food bank was running short so odds are others are as well... Yes I know it is Off topic but for this I will gladly take a Karma hit.
Funny but that fact that you wonder if someone will use this show just how odd the crabbing is. This is the freedom of speech version of first world angst. If Assage was in a nation without freedom of the press like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia.... He wouldn't have been arrested at all. He would just be dead.
Well since Slashdot is a site hosted in the US and the posts are in English the answer is yes we mean secured. The Ariane isn't manned and Russia isn't hasn't always been friendly. Dragon will give the US back manned transport to the ISS after the Shuttle is retired. It seems really odd to me to not expect any US bias on a website based in the US and in English. It is sort of like bitching the the BBCs TopGear doesn't have any many US cars on it or a site in France and in French is biased to the French view point.
In your use case Linux was better. For a NAS or SAN server I would bet that Solaris with ZFS would be better if you needed that much storage.
Hey Windows is better for Linux if your use case is to run FSX, write Windows software, and to use MicroSoft office. Solaris on X86 is pretty good I hear. But I am sure for your use Linux is better as it is for most of mine.
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No but it erases all trust. The US has not made any new ICBMs since the MX in the late 80s. All the production lines have been closed for a while. Our current ICBMs are Minutemen which where produced in the 60s and maybe early 70s. We have updated the electronics of course. The MX was retired to meet treaty obligations.
The Trident is an SLBM and those are also out of production but we are making spare parts for them too keep them in service.
Other sites list many other errors in his movies but that was the one I knew was a total fabrication.
But since you are an AC I will explain it to you. Whenever someone presents data to me and I find some that is completely false I believe it is wise to cast all the data as false until proven other wise. If they lied about that then what else are they lying about? When a persons agenda means more then the truth they are a danger to all and should never be trusted. I am not talking about errors since we all make them but this was a claiming to be a documentary. And his point was that we where making ICBMs just like we where claiming that Iraq was.
That statement was 100% false and any fact checking effort would have proven that. He picked a factory that made ULVs that was near him and lied. If he had looked up the Titan IV he would have seen that it was not a ballistic missile but a launch vehicle.
In theory you could use it as a ballistic missile just as you could use a Learjet as a nuclear bomber but that is just more justification of a lie.
I said that it was one that I knew for sure and could verify from personal knowledge.
Except that his movies made at least one completely false statement that I know of for sure. He said that factory that was making the Titan IV was making ballistic missiles. It is not and has never been a ballistic missile. It was based on the Titan II which was ballistic missile but was retired from service long ago.
Yea and some people think the Klan has the right idea. They are also wrong.
really where do you have a lot of people and no cell service. I know that in most of Africa the cities and towns have cell service as do Central America. In the rural and wild areas your are correct in all but one detail... There isn't a lot of people there!
Yep because trees and critters don't use a lot of cell phones. Even in those areas If you check the highways going through them I bet you will see cellphone coverage.
Here is a good example. I picked a town in the middle of nowhere Colorado called Hugo. Verizon has coverage and that town only has 800 people or so in it.
And yes I just grabbed a town off of google maps.
All the time. I car pool with my wife to and from work and often she drives. There is no problem using a cell phone in a car only when driving.
Not really. let's take the iridium system for costs. 66 Satellites at around 5 million each. Then figure in launch costs and spares and you are going to be at a half a billion dollars easy. Not think about the costs of the ground based infrastructure. Then add in financing and things get really expensive. Now of that 2% in the US how many of them will have coverage near their home? In the then nearest town and or the highway to the town? Let's face it at their home they probably have a land line and can us an FSR or CB on their property.
So out of the 9 million how many would pay the high cost for a satellite phone? Simple answer is a few will and that is why the market is super small and expensive.
(maybe apart from paypal, which runs both on same systems).
You really think that they they are being selective or that the payment network is just out of their reach?
And they where hitting paypal and that could hurt a lot of people and as I posted even Assange doesn't support it.
Please this is simple and harmful vandalism. Nothing more that a few script kiddies pretending that they are some kind of freedom fighter. Next week 4Chan will attack some company that only offers none fat milk in their coffee.
Really?
Exactly where do you have a lot of people without cell towers and the money to pay for satellite phones?
I will even take the wealth part out. Where do you have a lot of people and no cell towers.
Almost universally everyplace with a lot of people has cell coverage.
"Cuba and North Korea do not count because.. well let's not be stupid the government would never allow satellite phones."
Really it isn't making things worse.
1. What about the people who's businesses depend on PayPal, Visa, or MasterCard?
2. What about the customers that just want to do their shopping?
And are you so foolish to think that innocent people that are getting financially hurt over this "unfairness" are going to support wikileaks and the protesters or they are going to support more governmental crack downs on such stupid vandalism?
Like I said it is the Watts Riots or the Zootsuit riots and not a useful protest.
It is harmful, dangerous, and frankly just downright stupid. Wikileaks now looks like the villian and is blackmailing the world.
And to put in completely in perspective on just how childish and harmful this vandalism is... Assange doesn't even support it!
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/10/assange-distances-wikileaks-cyber-attacks/
Yes I know it is fox news but they did do a telephone interview with his lawyer.
Look at the downside.
1. They will not work inside or in a car.
2. Cost.
The upside is they will work in places that don't have cell coverage which are now few and far between.
The use case is limited and the cost to put up satellites is high. Not only that but satellites just can not support as many users as cell sites+fiber.
The math only works out for things like ships, trains, aircraft over the ocean, news organisations, military, spies, aircraft, and scientists. Even the phones on planes tend to use ground towers because of cost.
They reason why the struggle is so simple. Small user base plus high deployment costs equals not a great market.
Bull.
Civil rights protests where to change laws. To change the laws people showed that they where willing to break those laws in a way that didn't cause harm.
First of all they didn't have sit ins at dinners. That sat down and tried to be customers!
They didn't block others from being customers!
That is one of the many problems with this world. People try and draw conclusions based on history they don't even know.
What 4Chan is doing more along the lines of the Watts riots.
It is also absolutely dumb to expect a company to stand up to the government they need to work under. To use your own words "why go to jail if you don't have too?"
This isn't a civil rights protest. This is a bunch of script kiddies throwing a temper tantrum. Really Visa and Mastercard sites are mainly used by end users to do things like check transactions. Taking it down didn't hurt their bottom line at all. This is simple vandalism and not activism. The civil rights protesters stood up for what was right and a lot of them went to jail.
The the 4chan script kiddies are doing is digital hiding out in the bushes and throwing eggs are cars and spay painting graffiti.
Vandalism != to protesting.
MLK and Gandhi didn't do anything anomalously.
Why do you find it interesting?
The same people talking about "freedom fighters" still have their Amazon wish lists, Visa and MasterCards sitting in their wallets, and are using PayPal to buy that limited edition anime they found on Ebay....
It is simply typical arm chair protesters.
PayPal, Visa, Amazon, and MasterCard are all saying that they do not want to do business with Wikileaks.
Anonymous is pretty much running nothing short of a protection scam on them.
"Yea you better do as I say or else..."
Some people say the government is doing the same thing and they very well may be.
Isn't trying to force an action by extortion wrong?
I got no problem if one wants to protest by not buying from Amazon, PayPal, Visa, or MasterCard but DOS attack on them is an attack.
Yes but isn't it foolish to not learn?
Hey once you have more horses in the barn only a fool doesn't bolt the door.
They can say what they want. I have seen the pro climate change side say equally as stupid things many times. Like that Katrina was caused by global warming or the two bad tropical storm seasons proved that it was happening. I do find the almost religious zeal of the pro-climate change people to be really a pain as well. They will criticize and dismiss any data that threatens their belief. That is the very definition of bad science.
But the theory that man made CO2 is going cause extreme climatic change is not proven.
That being said I am all for trying to curb CO2 emissions. It is just simple logic.
1. Large increases in CO2 do cause in increase in the "green house effect".
2. We are seeing in increase in CO2 levels. Not massive but significant.
3. We are seeing some warming.
So even without proof the logical choice is to curb emissions since if we are wrong the net effect will be harmless but it may avoid a lot of problems.
I am all for making an effort in the attempt to avoid problems.
But bad science, zealotry, and being dismissive are just unnecessary and harmful to the debate.
Now the person you replied to that started this is doing all that and more but I doubt that he would understand any of what I said. My guess is he would have latched on to my statements about no proof and flat out bad concussions and use that to reenforce his world view. So I fear that replying to him would have done more harm than good.
So what papers have you published on the subject that causes you to skeptical?
I am skeptical of all papers myself but interested. My strong comments tend to be limited to physics, some chemistry, aerodynamics, aerospace, and computer science. In other words things that had professorial or at least some college level work in.
I have no problem with anybody being critical or skeptical within reason. But the fact that you would demand that some have publish a paper before commenting on Slashdot when you your self are now doing the exact same thing I find hysterical and hypocritical in the extreme.
That and the fact that you feel that they should just shut up because they do not agree with you is also hysterical? Why should they shut up any more than you should? Are you afraid that they may persuade people to do the wrong thing? Are you trying to protect us poor souls from having to separate the wheat from the chaff our self?
You know I am all for reducing CO2 emissions because right now I look at the data and the risk to benefit ratio is for cutting. Or course I also see that if China and India don't start cutting that if the west does it wrong what will happen is that high CO2 manufacturing operations will just move to unregulated countries and the end result will be an increase in CO2.
But your elitist attitude that your view point should be heard while others should be silenced is both offensive and immoral. I am just as capable if not more so to read the journals and listen to all the view points as you are.
So since you feel that no one should comment on paper when they themselves have not published I would simply ask that you sir follow your own rules.
Or retract that statement as useless grandstanding.
Maybe I should have used the term unfounded instead of not fair.
I for the most part agree with you. I do have a real dislike for second handers. But those include those that do nothing but shift money from place to place while getting a huge cut.
Basically you and I agree. Both Marx and Rand are not ways to run the world.
Yes people deserve the fruits of their labor but that charity, kindness, and compassion are strengths and virtues, not weakness.
Or as my mother would say work hard and don't be a jerk face.
Speaking of which I bet they are short of people buying Christmas Angels this year and I know that my local food bank was running short so odds are others are as well... Yes I know it is Off topic but for this I will gladly take a Karma hit.
While I agree with you are you willing to apply it equally? How many people commenting the NASA study on Slashdot have published in the field?
My only comment is that I hope this NASA study is correct. It has the best possible outcome they way China and India are burning coal.
Yes but bad programming is bad programming.
If you did the same dumb stuff in c it would run just as slow or not at all.
At least it will run.
Funny but that fact that you wonder if someone will use this show just how odd the crabbing is.
This is the freedom of speech version of first world angst.
If Assage was in a nation without freedom of the press like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia.... He wouldn't have been arrested at all.
He would just be dead.
Well since Slashdot is a site hosted in the US and the posts are in English the answer is yes we mean secured.
The Ariane isn't manned and Russia isn't hasn't always been friendly. Dragon will give the US back manned transport to the ISS after the Shuttle is retired.
It seems really odd to me to not expect any US bias on a website based in the US and in English. It is sort of like bitching the the BBCs TopGear doesn't have any many US cars on it or a site in France and in French is biased to the French view point.
In your use case Linux was better. For a NAS or SAN server I would bet that Solaris with ZFS would be better if you needed that much storage.
Hey Windows is better for Linux if your use case is to run FSX, write Windows software, and to use MicroSoft office.
Solaris on X86 is pretty good I hear.
But I am sure for your use Linux is better as it is for most of mine.