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Military Bans Removable Media After WikiLeaks Disclosures

cgriffin21 writes "The Pentagon is taking matters into its own hands to prevent the occurrence of another WikiLeaks breach with removable media ban, preventing soldiers from using USB sticks, CDs or DVDs on any systems or servers. The directive prohibiting removable media followed the recent publication of more than 250,000 diplomatic cables, which were leaked to whistleblower Web site WikiLeaks at the end of last month by a military insider."

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  1. horse by florescent_beige · · Score: 5, Insightful

    barn

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    1. Re:horse by multisync · · Score: 1

      No kidding. They're *just now* getting around to this?

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    2. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's nice and all, but i'm not sure what a radioactive horse has to do with any of this.

    3. Re:horse by Tynin · · Score: 2

      All the same, if they are serious about security of their data, not allowing any writable / removable media on there facility just makes sense. On top of that, they should weld the cases on all of the workstations shut, disable pretty much all IO ports except for a physically permanent connection for the keyboard, mouse, monitor, and network cable. Monitoring to see if any new writable media becomes available on the workstation would be a good next place to flag for further investigation.

    4. Re:horse by cytg.net · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed.
      I had a conversation with a high ranking officer a few years back who boldy calimed that their systems was 100% secure, nothing i could do.. When i explained my attack vector would be to phone in and pretend to be from support and ask him to stick in the usb-dongle (wich he had in his mail) and plug it into the secure line .. well he (or she) pretty much had a revelation ... omg is it that simple. no it is not. and yes it is. It is that simple to someone as hardcore to the art of data theft as you are to the art of war.

    5. Re:horse by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I don't know about that. The US military still has a lot of horses left.

    6. Re:horse by Cryacin · · Score: 1, Funny

      Plenty of asses to boot too.

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    7. Re:horse by camperdave · · Score: 1

      A barn is ... approximately the cross sectional area of a uranium nucleus.

      And my paintball pals complain that I can't hit the broad side of a barn.

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    8. Re:horse by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that long ago there was a directive from the Pentagon not to allow removable media to be used for secure systems.

      My guess is that they relaxed that for field units because some deployed systems have no networking attached and sneakernet is all they could use. And somehow that idea ended up meaning you could use removable media on network-attached systems, and eventually nobody even noticed when someone slipped a CD-RW into a machine with access to the entire database of classified information relating to the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation.

      That someone is currently in jail, because, physical means or no, it was still illegal to take the information from the secure area without authorization, and to give it to uncleared people.

    9. Re:horse by camperdave · · Score: 1

      "asses to boot"? Sounds like a job for PETA.

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    10. Re:horse by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      For some reason, though, the horse's asses in the US military consistently outnumber the horses.

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    11. Re:horse by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that security tends to be more of a human problem than a technical problem. A person can easily hide a usb stick somewhere on their person, and in the event that fails, take screenshots with a camera or write notes down. The first step is not to take away the usb stick, but to give the individual in question the training and incentive not to leak information in the first place. The training might include don't open any wierd attachments, browse to unauthorized sites, or use io devices from an unverified source. The incentives might include monitoring of sensitive material, legal repercussions, and, God-forbid, not implementing stupid policies that are morally questionable. Assenge noted in an interview that the purpose of Wikileaks wasn't to start a revolution but to make it easier for (morally)good companies to do business and to make it harder for (morally) bad companies to do business. The same could be said for government. Hire a trustworthy+competent staff don't be a jackass and you'll be less of a target, or at least implement fewer inane 'security' measures.

    12. Re:horse by jd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is not the decision, so much as that allowing insecure mechanisms (in violation of NSA Security Information notices, Common Criteria instructions for the levels required for secret information and Federal Information Processing Standards, I should add) was not only bloody stupid to begin with, it was in violation of US law regarding the handling of classified information.

      Instead of prosecuting Manning, who at worst is guilty of far less than the Lockheed-Martin officials who publicly sold the plans for the current stealth fighters, one should ask why his actions were even possible in the first place. FIPS standards for secure platforms and NSA publications expressly prohibit the capability to transfer files to insecure formats. It is illegal, under US law, to install or use non-compliant systems for Government purposes. This means that giving Manning the computer violated US law. Do you see anyone charged with violating such US laws? I don't.

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    13. Re:horse by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that some of those people were disciplined within the military, though. This kind of negligence doesn't get overlooked by the brass when uncovered, even if they quietly handle it because the military is capable of doing that behind closed doors.

    14. Re:horse by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      How many assholes do we have on this ship, anyhow?

    15. Re:horse by brirus · · Score: 1

      It's called SIPRNet, by the way. It's always been a big No-No to transfer any device from a NIPR (non-classified internet) client to a SIPR client, of course. But it happens anyway. If they want to stop Wikileaks, Wikileaks clones, and "insurance" torrents, then the governments of the world are going to need to cut out the James Bond / evil scientist bullshit and embrace 100% transparency.

    16. Re:horse by Sean · · Score: 1

      besides netbooting everything being a bitch,

      scp -P 443 all_your_secrets.tgz root@somerandom.place.com

    17. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB thumbdrives and regular external hard drives have been disallowed for years now.

      Now that CDs and DVDs are being removed... we're fucked if we have to transfer files between computers and there is no SIPR connection. CD-Rs and DVD-Rs are soooo inconvenient to deal with compared to the thumbdrive alternative, but it was our last method of transferring files between computers without a networking connection.

    18. Re:horse by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the next step is to not say "We are firmly for position X" in public while saying "We agree, we are against position X" in private.

      The bald faced lies tend to make honest humans want to rat them out periodically.

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    19. Re:horse by fedorowp · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Our company, CodeLock Computers, provides high quality encrypted Linux computers/workstations. We would be willing to provide welded-shut computer cases. We can also do security screws, USB ports filled with epoxy, and hardware encryption to protect boot partitions from tampering. Best of all, they run Linux.

    20. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a USB mass storage device mailed to their desk in the form of a replacement mouse...

    21. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One problem, they aren't tempest.

    22. Re:horse by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The military understand security in some areas - they don't trust people they don't know when they're in the field of battle. However they are laxer in other areas. Why for example was a mere private allowed to access a secure computer? Why didn't the guard question what he was doing? Why didn't plugging in the USB stick immediately set off some alarms? The military just doesn't like to think of one of their own as a potential bad guy.

      A lot of that comes back to the old rule, that the more secure something is the less convenient it becomes. People don't like inconvenience and so security breaks down over time ("it's just Fred and Fred is always here and I know Fred has secret clearance so it's ok for him to see my document without me verifying it first").

    23. Re:horse by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 2

      Rank has nothing to do with security clearance is why. Privates with a signal MOS deal with classified material every single day.

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    24. Re:horse by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Since when has honestly had any place in government?

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    25. Re:horse by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Or actually take their security seriously. 100% transparency would be the pinnacle of foolishness unless they could be absolutely certain every other nation and entity they dealt with did exactly the same.

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    26. Re:horse by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A person can easily hide a usb stick somewhere on their person, and in the event that fails, take screenshots with a camera or write notes down.

      Removable media, cameras, or phones with cameras are not and have not been allowed in SCIFs for as long as I remember. Old fashioned paper and pencil is difficult to detect, as are meat memory devices.

      The first step is not to take away the usb stick, but to give the individual in question the training and incentive not to leak information in the first place.

      No, that does not work. You have to choose who you trust, which is why DSA performs investigations for all military personnel before granting clearances. Security managers interview personnel and ask questions, looking for warning signs. Someone could have a pristine history and list of contacts but still want to do harm: asking the right questions can tip off the people in charge of security. Also, as I saw on Dateline the other night with regards to corruption in the Iraqi police force, paying people a livable wage helps them not to betray you when given a carrot in the form of money, or the satisfaction of fucking with you (e.g. giving documents to Wikileaks).

      Security is a tough business. The government needs tens of thousands of people in the intelligence community across all four branches of the military and civilians in various DOD organizations: people from all walks of life, all ages, ethnic groups, geographic locations, etc. No matter how careful they are, there will be leaks. Their goal is to detect internal threats early, and to minimize damage.

      For example, when working in a classified environment, everyone is watching not only what they are doing, but keeping an eye on everyone else. Maybe someone left their SIPRNET terminal unlocked and left for the bathroom: probably just careless, but it is important to have coworkers keep an eye out for innocent errors and help correct them. Maybe someone really is trying to steal data: coworkers need to question that person why they are not following approved and document security procedures. Maybe there is a legitimate reason for putting data on removable media: couriers do exist even in the current era of high speed private networks such as SIPRNET.

      Finally, by limiting the data each person has, a breach can be localized. For example, if an image analyst steals satellite imagery, odds are that person does not have access to lists of informants, even if it is classified at the same level. That lessens the impact of a leak.

      The real failure with that kid that leaked to Wikileaks is the human factor: nobody paid attention, asking him why he was not following procedures. Someone gave him access to far more data than he needed to do his job. Forget the USB drive restrictions, the DOD needs to crack down on basic security training and protocol.

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    27. Re:horse by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yep, but they are not used correctly.

      Did you know, the US has never lost a war in which they used asses?

    28. Re:horse by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      It's always been a big No-No to transfer any device from a NIPR (non-classified internet) client to a SIPR client, of course.

      I think you reversed your NIPR and SIPR. Regardless, it is ok to transfer data from SIPRNET to NIPRNET, but it has to go through designated systems that are monitored by people authorized to verify that the data moving to a lower classification network actually is classified at that level. There is a procedure to do this, it just takes multiple people and between several hours and several days.

      The big no-no is someone taking their own removable media and moving data between systems without authorization and without following the specified procedures.

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    29. Re:horse by fedorowp · · Score: 1

      True, they aren't designed to protect your "national secrets" from the CIA, but then the CIA would probably just water-board you until you give up the password. Our computers are designed for protecting personal and business data, such as medical, legal, and financial records, diaries, browsing history and online banking passwords, etc. It is security simple enough for your grandparents to use, but so secure you can still sleep at night even if your computer with social security or credit card numbers is stolen.

    30. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure a DoD system will not mount a USB drive and will alert security to the fact it was attempted. Pretty sure this has been true for a couple years now.

    31. Re:horse by nharmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He was a SP4 who was demoted to PFC because he assaulted an officer. The question isn't why a PFC had access to sensitive information. The question is why someone with demonstrated behavioral problems still had a secret clearance.

    32. Re:horse by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Any system pretty much anywhere that people claim is 100% secure is a big red sign that they don't understand either security or the system. We have focused billions of dollars of effort on securing our airports, yet kids still sneak into the wheel wells of planes. Technical considerations aside, security means granting access to some people and not to others. And the moment you grant access to some people, you have at least one attack vector.

    33. Re:horse by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      sneakernet is all they could use.

      Indeed and sneakernet is what they did use.

    34. Re:horse by blankoboy · · Score: 0

      Put the condom on after you got her knocked up...

    35. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok so... bluetooth, sftp, scp, remote blob sql insertion, ftp over ssl and a million other methods aren't going to stop this? get serious. All this does is slow the sneaker net.

    36. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This means that giving Manning the computer violated US law. Do you see anyone charged with violating such US laws? I don't.

      If they did charge someone, how would you know?

    37. Re:horse by xystren · · Score: 1

      I remember years ago, probably a decade or more, filling all USB ports with epoxy so they were unable to be used for this very reason. If any USB devices needed to be used, the cables were epoxied directly to the device and computer (i.e. make them virtually impossible to remove, except for the extremely motivated)

    38. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "asses to boot"? Sounds like a job for PITA.

      Fixed that for you.

    39. Re:horse by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      PETA is racist... mostly rich white people...

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    40. Re:horse by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      that's not even governmental, that's just general IT best practices - allowing remote media is basically just asking for vulnerabilities. There's a reason that there's always a way to disable it.

      Meanwhile, it still won't stop things, just make em slightly less convenient to get out. Transfer to another device where remote is allowed and -> off we go!, or wireless, or bluetooth, or simple email - if it's networked, it could be compromised.

      Also yeah, there's no way to do this without basically inconveniencing people...major pain in the ass - either do it right up front, or there's a lot more pain later.

    41. Re:horse by DesScorp · · Score: 2

      The problem is that security tends to be more of a human problem than a technical problem.

      In the Pentagon's case, it's a problem of many humans. Too many people have secret clearances or better, and "need to know" isn't enforced vigorously enough in many units. The General Accounting Office says there are over 3 million people with a "secret" level clearance in the US. There's no excuse for that.

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    42. Re:horse by Requia · · Score: 1

      Sadly, there isn't yet a proper test to ensure that all your employees are dishonest backstabbing thieves. It's important to keep dirty secrets from them, lest one of the honest ones gets ahold of it.

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    43. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A mentally unstable person working for the government?

      Unthinkable!

    44. Re:horse by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Your USB dongle wouldn't work because a properly secured Windows environment has all ports disabled or locked to approved devices. For the really paranoid cases they will physically modify hardware to mitigate less casual breeches.

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    45. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem however is still the analog hole. You can get a digital camera that's ridiculously small. Snap a pic of the screen, done.

    46. Re:horse by matthiasvegh · · Score: 1

      Sure, and some people were disciplined for slaughtering civlians from an Apache..

    47. Re:horse by symbolset · · Score: 1

      I would agree with you, but there's a lot of horses in that barn yet.

      That said, they have to do a whole lot more than change the policy. There was a huge resistance to Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) technologies in the early days of military adoption - some of it warranted and some of it not. I was there then. It's important to leverage the technologies of the day because failing to do so is ceding the advantage of technology to the enemy which is loss of advantage, but neglecting security to do so is unwise and unnecessary.

      USB and other ports can be desoldered and removed, or barring that, filled with epoxy. SATA and ATA ports can be disabled in a number of ways including writing your own BIOS to require a disk pre-imaged with encryption, snipping pins or cutting traces. This is testable, verifiable rework that can be required before a system is approved for use in a secure environment. If a computer in a secure environment has an optical media burner, that's a failure of judgment right there that you can fix with a hammer. The leaker was allegedly pretending to listen to music while burning a CD? There are SO many failures in that sentence I can't even start describing them.

      Not running the world's least secure desktop environment also might help, and NCOs aren't going to cut it.

      Command needs guidance from some geeks who aren't too vulnerable to the awesome powers that their rank bestows to give them the straight dope. They actually have a mechanism for this that they're not using: Warrant Officers. Bringing in experts at the professional level who aren't in the regular chain would help.

      I'm not sure that the leaks actually harm US policy in the long run. Apparently they may launch a new age of openness in detente. It may have been the best thing that could have happened in the end. But that's a different topic for a different thread.

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    48. Re:horse by brirus · · Score: 1
      No, I did not get those backwards. SIPR is secure and NIPR is non-classified.

      When wikileaks and wikileaks-type sites become common-place enough, the US government won't need to "make sure" that other governments are being transparent any more than other governments are making sure that the US secrets get on Wikileaks. And yes, these sites WILL become common; already in the US, law enforcement officials are beginning to take advantage of their own local "cop watch" sites to reveal corruption. When this activity becomes publicly acceptable, whistleblowers will no longer need to be anonymous; they will proudly expose the lies of their government employers to the public.

    49. Re:horse by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      It is a mystery.

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    50. Re:horse by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      There's a ton of information the military has that would hurt them if released even though it does not contain anything morally bad. Stuff like troop movement, strategies, equipment details, etc. Basically anything enemy intelligence would be interested in.

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    51. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir are a troll
      go back to your basement

    52. Re:horse by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure the military had a ban on leaking information too.
      Why would they think a ban on removable media works any better?

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    53. Re:horse by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      Audits would have helped too. There's no legitimate reason for this guy to access all those documents.

    54. Re:horse by Max_W · · Score: 2

      Why have secrets in the first place? Why not to train soldiers not to laugh and joke when they shoot at people from a helicopter? Maybe follow some sort of an engagement procedure?

      Why not train diplomats not to call insulting names and make cynical remarks? But use instead the whole register of great English language to express a thought.

      And USB memory sticks could be used then. Why not? A USB memory stick is a great tool nowadays for information and communication worker. It is like forbidding a carpenter to use a hammer, because someone used it to hit people on a head. Not possible to produce a chair without a hammer.

      Besides, how to forbid? OK, not USB memory stick. Sorry, but my digital photo-camera have 32 GB internal memory. 32 GB! It is 5 HD movies. Can I use a photo-camera? Mobile phone? MP3 player?

      If soldiers cannot use such devices, which are part of the modern global culture, they will become even more savage.

    55. Re:horse by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Assenge noted in an interview that the purpose of Wikileaks wasn't to start a revolution but to make it easier for (morally)good companies to do business and to make it harder for (morally) bad companies to do business. The same could be said for government.

      If this is truly about morals, then individuals are as good a targets as any virtual entity. Which means concerns about our own privacy and confidentiality are warranted. Would you like to be judged by someone else's morals based on confidential information they stole from you? Hey, if you're (morally) good nobody will report anything on you right?

      I'd love to hear the argument for morals applying to companies and governments more than every person if someone wants to give it a go. I'm just another individual like you, just as empowered as you are. Can I steal your confidential information and share with others because I think it's (morally) bad, or what if I do it _just because I can_?

    56. Re:horse by Drantin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you meant to respond to The Snowman... But either way, he wasn't saying you got your definitions wrong, but that you got the direction wrong... NIPR -> SIPR has always been just fine (although the media, once connected to the SIPR side, is no longer allowed to be attached to the NIPR side) but SIPR -> NIPR has never been allowed...

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    57. Re:horse by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      There's also a ton out in the open that's morally bad and would motivate people to become enemies and seek out morally inconsequential but strategically valuable secrets.

    58. Re:horse by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      "Why not to train soldiers not to laugh and joke when they shoot at people from a helicopter?"

      Well that's all fine and good, but then we won't have anyone shooting journalists from helicopters. Won't someone think of the journalists who haven't yet been shot from a helicopter?

    59. Re:horse by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      Corporations and governments have a great deal more power to do harm than you or I have. With scarce few exceptions (on both ends), I doubt the journalists of the world will be infiltrating individuals' personal data out of a sense of moral duty until they're sure that all of the world's powerful organizations are both harmless and well-meaning. On the contrary, it's those very organizations who are so preoccupied with invading our personal privacy.

      In terms of morals, I think two principles, applied consistently, go a long way toward assuaging concerns like those you've voiced:

      1. Any moral principle should be universal, all other factors being equal—that is, any two entities with the same circumstances engaging in the same activity are morally equal.

      2. Enforcement priorities begin at the highest levels of power.

    60. Re:horse by Max_W · · Score: 1

      You see, the words in itself are part of a reality. It is not possible to to something good while speaking or writing in a mean way. The reality is not only physical objects and actions, the wording is also part of a reality. At least it influences it strongly.

      It is sort of a complex dynamic system.

    61. Re:horse by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

      This means that giving Manning the computer violated US law. Do you see anyone charged with violating such US laws? I don't.

      If they did charge someone, how would you know?

      There is something missing from the concept of democracy when secrecy is the norm...

      How can you choose decent representation when you have no idea what your representatives and their workforce get up to?

    62. Re:horse by micheas · · Score: 1

      I'll have a stab at your request.

      The big difference is that Governments and Corporations exist to serve the population at large (corporations do not exist solely to enrich their owners, they have a charter that is granted to them by the state, and the state says that it is in the interest of the state for this business enterprise to exist, the shareholders tend to not care about that so much and more about their return on investment.), therefore the population at large has a compelling reason to know what corporations and governments are doing.

      Individuals, in democracies, need to be granted a certain amount of privacy and confidentiality as they are, theoretically, the ultimate rulers of the country.

      The way it is supposed to work is that the people are not accountable to the government, but rather the government is accountable to the people.

      A similar situation exists between parents and children. Parents are expected to violate their preteens privacy when the parents suspect that there is a problem that needs investigated, while children are considered to not be responsible for their parents actions.

    63. Re:horse by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 2

      Since when has honestly had any place in government?

      The question is not does it, but should it. You talk as if honesty should never be required of governments and we should just accept them being corrupt and secretive.

      If a government habitually lies, honest people will feel a motivation to leak when the gap between private reality and public pretension becomes too large. They may be naive, they may be punished after the fact, and they may find it difficult to work around your measures, but it will never be impossible, because security depends on the people who are overseeing it. All the security measures in the world aren't going to help if you can't trust your people, which is why the best policy is honesty.

      Security is also inconvenient; at a certain level of perfect security, it makes your organisation non-functional, so it will never be total because there is always pressure to relax security to increase efficiency (as happened in this case with these cables).

      This is I believe the intended effect of the wikileaks disclosures from Assange's point of view - to confront government with the choice between efficiency or security, and make them see that it is better to be as honest as possible.

    64. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a taxpayer and voter i have to say that too few people have secret clearances or better and when I pay for something I expect that I "need to know" pretty much everything about it.

    65. Re:horse by Pi1grim · · Score: 1

      I would still be a happier person to know how it gets handled and by whom. Because not having a clear RoE, slaughtering civilians and swipping it all under the rug calls for a little more measures, than "sorry, my bad".

    66. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a SP4 who was demoted to PFC because he assaulted an officer. The question isn't why a PFC had access to sensitive information. The question is why someone with demonstrated behavioral problems still had a secret clearance.

      Soldiers with violent tendencies are indeed quite a problem. They might actually kill someone.

    67. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a SP4 who was demoted to PFC because he assaulted an officer. The question isn't why a PFC had access to sensitive information. The question is why someone with demonstrated behavioral problems still had a secret clearance.

      Because the whole point of boot camp is to ensure that the whole military has "behavioural problems", meaning they are willing to kill someone because someone else says so?

    68. Re:horse by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      Well, individuals have moral values. You have yours, I have mine and, probably for both of us, the best course of action would be, when possible, to respect each other's values. Corporations, though, are amoral. They are about the bottom line, usually meaning profits. There's no one, no feelings to respect. Do not trace analogies that equate people and businesses like that, it's misleading.

    69. Re:horse by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like all official secrets are about hiding embarrassing activities. They aren't. In theory, none of them are, so hopefully in practice the minority are. For example, the vulnerabilities in the F117's stealth cover are official secrets - you don't want to be giving enemies the information required to build a (relatively cheap) missile that can shoot down $20bn of aircraft. In the UK, the MoD address book was also classified (restricted), because MoD personnel were targets for IRA bombs, and it was thought better not to give them an annotated list of targets.

      None of the stuff that I had access to when I held security clearance would have caused embarrassment to the military (with the possible exception of the price list that they got from Dell) or the government.

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    70. Re:horse by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Moving data the other way is also frowned upon, because it's a way of getting malware into the secure network. It's then possible to slowly leak automatically, often in ways that you might not expect. A certain three-letter agency in the USA experimented at having secure and insecure Xen VMs on the same machine and found that you could transmit data between them at about 30 characters per second by tweaking the network card to control the interrupt frequency in the other. Unless you were specifically looking for this, you'd not see any data.

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    71. Re:horse by rubi · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure a DoD system will not mount a USB drive and will alert security to the fact it was attempted. deleted

      I believe they have software in place for that. We do and we are in the "third world".

    72. Re:horse by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of similar reactions, but I have to wonder : don't you suppose it is sometimes useful to have a way to move data around on military computers ? It is not always convenient to have one usb-less internet-less computer for sensitive data and another computer for internet+usb. And even doing so only gives marginally more protection. If someone is a leaker and is left with a physical access to a computer that has access to sensitive data, preventing him from copying them is very hard unless you prevent opening the computer case completely.

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    73. Re:horse by isorox · · Score: 1

      . The General Accounting Office says there are over 3 million people with a "secret" level clearance in the US. There's no excuse for that.

      The fact that all these people need to know probably means that there's too many "secret" documents.

    74. Re:horse by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The problem for high ranking military officers (and high ranking business executives etc) is that they do not have a technical background, and have to rely on what other people tell them. Many of the people claiming to have technical knowledge aren't as good as they claim to be, and there are countless vendors out there who will blatantly lie to get a sale, safe in the knowledge that the people making the purchasing decision don't know any better.

      You have a combination of unscrupulous vendors, incompetent staff (whos incompetence is never exposed because despite being incompetent they know more about it than anyone else there) and a large amount of lock in to existing flawed technology...
      The end result is that security in virtually all office type environments is fundamentally flawed, and then you have vendors offering products that at best are band aids to cover one or two of the flaws in the fundamentally flawed design only the vendors market them as "the solution to all your security needs"...
      Now noone wants to rip out the crufty band aided to hell mess they have already and replace it, so they keep adding as many more band aids as they can afford, each time being conned by a vendor into thinking this will be the last.

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    75. Re:horse by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't really matter, you can copy the files to the local drive and then take the local drive or boot the system up from alternative media to access the data and copy it to external storage...
      Sure you could encrypt the drive, but then again this is an attack being carried out by a legitimate user who therefore must have access to the encryption key in order to boot the host.

      Most setups i've seen would also let you access network resources, so you take a small network storage device and plug it in via ethernet using a crossover cable or connect it to a spare network port elsewhere.

      Or you could print data out, most networks give you a facility to print... Or email for that matter.

      And if all else fails, a small camera pointed at the screen works just fine. Most mobile phones have such cameras built in these days, so you not only have a camera but also the ability to transmit the data off site immediately.

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    76. Re:horse by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Except that long ago there was a directive from the Pentagon not to allow removable media to be used for secure systems.

      Then there comes a day when someone connects an unsecure system to the secure system. It bight be malice, it might be an accident or (most likely) because it makes some task less of a PITA.

      Suddenly, all your secure systems are insecure. And you might not even know about it.

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    77. Re:horse by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't really matter, you can copy the files to the local drive and then take the local drive or boot the system up from alternative media to access the data and copy it to external storage... Sure you could encrypt the drive, but then again this is an attack being carried out by a legitimate user who therefore must have access to the encryption key in order to boot the host.

      Never let a good crisis go to waste: Any Federal Government sysadmin entering a server room should be accompanied by another Federal Government sysadmin shadow who can verify that sysadmin #1 won't remove HDDs or do anything hinky. See, I just created a ton of IT jobs.

    78. Re:horse by rubi · · Score: 1

      It wasnt a USB stick, he burned to CD-RW, wich were allowed as USB and other means weren't. I believe now they will be removing CD access too.

    79. Re:horse by Max_W · · Score: 1

      In the video about helicopter shooting the most unpleasant aspect to me was the attitude of soldiers. Mistakes happen and they could be forgivable, if they were honest mistakes, not some malicious activity.

      This video made the Wikileaks the phenomena which it is now. It was the talking and laughing, not an error in itself, what created Wikileaks exhausts.

      As for memory thumbs they were invented for a reason. They are the important tool. Like an ax to an ancient humans. Making soldiers and officers not to use them will just make an army weaker.

    80. Re:horse by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Banning CD's and thumb drives is just so yesterday in terms of security. All computers secure locations should not have the facility to download or upload data. All data uploaded or downloaded should only by down at the security office by authorised officers. Hard copies are actually less of an issue because of course a printer spitting out 200,000 pages is pretty noticeable and of course a PFC pushing a wheelbarrow out of a building should raise some security issues but, perhaps not for the US.

      The next lot of leaks will of course be paid for by foreign governments using higher ranked no hope of promotion types (really hard to track) just to further embarrass the US government. Although the PFC did it for free, how much do you really think it would cost to buy off some dead end no hope of promotion captain.

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    81. Re:horse by Chelloveck · · Score: 0

      And why should anyone trust your hacker OS to be secure? Anyone can scan the source code for security holes, or even make their own nefarious modifications! For God's sake, Linux was written by a college kid, and a foreign national at that! Nope, you can't trust anything less than an OS written by professional programmers right here in America.

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    82. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Security is a tough business. The government needs tens of thousands of people in the intelligence community across all four branches of the military and civilians in various DOD organizations

      There's five branches of the military. Coast Guard ships larger than 110' have SIPRNET access just as Navy vessels do.

    83. Re:horse by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      That someone is currently in jail, because, physical means or no, it was still illegal to take the information

      He's in jail because he bragged about it under a username that included his first name and year of birth, the cocky idiot.

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    84. Re:horse by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      The real failure with that kid that leaked to Wikileaks is the human factor: nobody paid attention, asking him why he was not following procedures. Someone gave him access to far more data than he needed to do his job. Forget the USB drive restrictions, the DOD needs to crack down on basic security training and protocol.

      Banning USBetc hardware is an easy step that can be done in the now, and at the end of the week they can show the boss the big box full of threats they removed.

      Basic training is hard, takes a long time, and can't be put in a box to be shown to the boss.

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    85. Re:horse by multisync · · Score: 1

      I would think military equipment would be hardened to make tamporing difficult to do without raising suspicion. Diplomatic emails would be encrypted, so no one but the intended recipient would be able to read them, although lower level functionaries could still manage the sytems that move the data around. Unfettered access to USB, or the Internet, not only makes it possible to make unauthorized copies of sensitive data, it is also a vector for spyware, viruses ect.

      I assume if I tried to walk on to a military base and leave with a file cabinet full of memos, or diplomatic cables, or plans to invade Iran, for example, someone would stop me before I could get out. It just strikes me as odd they don't seem to have similar protections already in place for electonic data.

      I understand some of this stuff has to be available for whatever reasons for the military and government to function, but if the release of these diplomatic cables is such a threat to our very civilization, as Hillary Clinton seems to be suggesting, how is it a PFC can stick a USB stick in a computer and copy the whole unencrypted lot without that action triggering alarms?

      Didn't the US Navy create TOR? They must know about encryption. Why aren't they using it?

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    86. Re:horse by multisync · · Score: 1

      Social engineering is a great attack vector, especially if your target hasn't prepared for it. People can be trained to recognize such attacks, though. During WW2 the phrase was "loose lips sink ships" and they took this stuff seriously.

      That was probably one of the reasons the allies were successful. They fought the campaign as hard on the factory floor as they did on the battlefield.

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    87. Re:horse by multisync · · Score: 1

      Sure you could encrypt the drive, but then again this is an attack being carried out by a legitimate user who therefore must have access to the encryption key in order to boot the host.

      So you don't encrypt the whole drive, just the files themselves. Different keys for different levels of access. Does a PFC really need unfettered access to *all* 250,000 diplomatic cables, for example? Maybe he does, I don't know. Would we not log events like copying the entire motherload of cables on to a USB drive? Shouldn't that raise suspision?

      Apparently not, because AFAIK the only reason PFC Manning is in jail is that he confided in Adrian Lamo, who chose to turn him in.

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    88. Re:horse by vxice · · Score: 1

      I had a professor who worked in intelligence who said that at Los Alamos they had a security breach from someone taking data off the site. It was found in a usb at drug bust. Turned out the method for securing the computers was to put plugs in the usb ports. After this incident they 'upgraded' their security by super gluing the plugs in.

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    89. Re:horse by winwar · · Score: 1

      "The question is why someone with demonstrated behavioral problems still had a secret clearance."

      Why people thought this statement was insightful is beyond me. He had it because he needed it for his job. The same reason the military doesn't discharge gay people who are deployed. They need them for unit cohesion. Once they aren't deployed....

      Fighting in the military isn't exactly considered a negative. The same impulses that cause you to hit an officer make you willing to kill another human being. They just try to channel it in the correct direction.

    90. Re:horse by Kelzar · · Score: 1

      No? I know an ass who was in Vietnam.

    91. Re:horse by slick7 · · Score: 1

      No kidding. They're *just now* getting around to this?

      Why bother with anything else when the Assange scapegoat gambit will work in a jiffy.
      Seriously, when you point fingers, three fingers are pointing right back at the pointer.

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    92. Re:horse by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Yes but isn't it foolish to not learn?
      Hey once you have more horses in the barn only a fool doesn't bolt the door.

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    93. Re:horse by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      While removable media is a security problem, banning them is just a bandaid for the real problem. Why isn't access to secret documents audited? And if it is, why didn't anyone notice access to hundreds of thousands of documents that had to be well beyond any job based need or even his ability to read them all. Why does the system allow information to be copied from the datastore? Shouldn't a 'problem with authority figures' from someone with a secret clearance be serious enough to get you demoted trigger a psych evaluation critical enough to find an individual willing to betray his country?

      I understand the desire to get information distributed to as many people as possible, but there still should be some compartmentalization. From what I have read (in the media) regarding the embassy cables, to a large degree they seem to consist mostly of gossip. They've gone from one extreme to the other, necessary intelligence will be lost in the noise. Rather than open access to frank evaluations of foreign leaders by embassy staff, Army PFCs should have access to profiles that have been compiled by experts who have access to the source data.

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    94. Re:horse by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      In the video about helicopter shooting the most unpleasant aspect to me was the attitude of soldiers.

      You make soldiers that are good killers by teaching them to dehumanize the enemy. It may be distasteful to the general public, but failing to do so results in troops that can't carry out offensives or end up with psychological problems. Hindsight is 20/20, and you can't truthfully evaluate their statements without the context of someone trying to kill you.

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    95. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just don't do stuff you'd be ashamed of hitting the front pages tomorrow morning.

    96. Re:horse by bughunter · · Score: 1

      That makes sense. Only rich white people are sheltered enough from the squalor, injustice, and misery of human existence to be so militantly concerned with the rights of animals.

      Ask an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, or a Chinese Factory Laborer, or a Serb whose lived through a decade of civil war, or a hungry Gazan --or even a typical American living paycheck to paycheck-- to be concerned about the rights of whales or goats or factory chickens, and you'll get a bewildered look, at best.

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    97. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] but SIPR -> NIPR has never been allowed...

      High Assurance Guards (HAGs) exist for that very purpose (SIPR -> NIPR). Nice try though.

    98. Re:horse by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Well, "full disk encryption" is all the rage these days, despite its obvious flaws...

      And if the files are already on a disk you control then logging is easily circumvented, logging is only effective when data has to be downloaded from somewhere else not under the control of an attacker.

      And then theres backdoors, at the very least legit users need access to the files which comprise the OS, which would probably be shared with other (perhaps more privileged) users, the unprivileged user could then modify the files to add a backdoor and wait for someone with a higher clearance level to enter their keys.

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    99. Re:horse by noseblunter · · Score: 1

      A little tactic I learned from the movie Friday applies here. You look the public right in the face, puff your chest out a bit and say "Cables!? What cables?!".

    100. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. A long time ago I work n setting up a secured network for the gov. First everything ran on Solaris trusted network. (read no Windows) No workstation had a writable CD/DVD. If it had one it was read only. We even hot glued the USB ports on the workstations. Mice and keyboards were PS2. The Solaris systems were set up where if you were shelled into 2 servers you could not copy/paste information from one screen to another if the two servers did not trust each other. I'm not saying the network couldn't be hacked but the way this information was leaked could not have happened on the network I worked on.

      So if they had CD-RWs on the workstations who really is to blame? Who freely gave him the tools to copy?

      Still these days I see these leaks as a breath of fresh air. If the government can trap and trace my data then why can't I see theirs. After all the Constitution gives me the right to privacy but I have yet to read in there where the government has any. I do hope this brings our government to its knees.

    101. Re:horse by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Is this for real? The only sources I can find on this are gossip rags and right wing nutjob sites:

      http://tinyurl.com/388q2by

      (Slashdot mangles the Google URL because it has double quotes in it)

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    102. Re:horse by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I wonder why they don't use thin clients with remote desktops - so you can't actually move any files from the server (where your secure apps are running) to the local machine. The only way to get anything would be to capture video, and if the clients were to do read-only diskless network booting to a locked-down OS that wouldn't be too practical either. You could try using the analog hole but HDMI can make that more difficult too.

      Of course there are always ways to beat this DRM-ish approach - you can't send A to C without letting B see it if B and C are the same person - but you can make it very difficult to haul out data by the truckload.

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    103. Re:horse by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And then theres backdoors, at the very least legit users need access to the files which comprise the OS, which would probably be shared with other (perhaps more privileged) users, the unprivileged user could then modify the files to add a backdoor and wait for someone with a higher clearance level to enter their keys.

      LOLLWUT? Windows doesn't even allow that anymore.

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    104. Re:horse by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      That someone is currently in jail, because, physical means or no, it was still illegal ...

      Correction: someone accused of that is currently in jail. Whether PFC Manning was in fact the leaker, and whether leaking information about criminal activities by the U.S. government is a crime (citizens have a common-law obligation to raise a "hue and cry" when they discover a crime), remain open questions.

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    105. Re:horse by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      You make soldiers that are good killers by teaching them to dehumanize the enemy.

      The problem is that to actually accomplish anything more than carnage, you need soldiers who are not just good killers. You can't win "hearts and minds" at the same time you're dehumanizing "the enemy", especially not in a civil war or anti-insurgency. A local boy might forgive a U.S. soldier for shooting his Uncle Ali, who's in the Taliban; he'll never forgive a soldier who shoots his Uncle Ali and then laughs about it, and instead is much more likely to join the Taliban himself.

      It may be distasteful to the general public, but failing to do so results in troops that can't carry out offensives or end up with psychological problems.

      Dehumanizing people is a psychological problem.

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    106. Re:horse by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      A certain three-letter agency in the USA experimented at having secure and insecure Xen VMs on the same machine and found that you could transmit data between them at about 30 characters per second by tweaking the network card to control the interrupt frequency in the other. Unless you were specifically looking for this, you'd not see any data.

      These are called covert channels, and there are many of them.

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    107. Re:horse by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It seems they are having trouble adapting to the idea of parallel networks and keeping their high durability field notebooks connected. The problem with the US military is the focus on feeding high profits to the military industrial complex and strangling the money spent on personal, so an extreme lack of highly qualified reliable personal, end results privates gain full access to secure networks.

      They need to employ non-combat computer security personal, how ever they are blocked from doing so by a demand from lobbyists to pass off that work in high profit contracts to corporations, which limits the number they can employ. You reckon they would have woken up to the billions they threw away on Halliburton et al no bid contacts but of course that was the whole idea, really crazy stuff.

      The Navy seems to have the highest level of competence but that is because the Republicans have not yet been able to force no bid corporate contracts with civilians filling all non-combat roles on naval vessels.

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    108. Re:horse by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Or you could have just taken that for the bitter and cynical remark of disgust that it was.

      But since you brought it up, honesty in government is never going to happen. Most federal politicians are lawyers and I have yet to meet a lawyer that it's even occurred to to be honest unless it gained them something.

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    109. Re:horse by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      You can't win "hearts and minds" at the same time you're dehumanizing "the enemy", especially not in a civil war or anti-insurgency.

      You are confusing soldiers with policemen. I suppose that's excusable, since our leadership has been making the same mistake for decades. Combat troops kill people, that is their job. You don't send an Apache to 'win hearts and minds'.

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    110. Re:horse by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So if they had CD-RWs on the workstations who really is to blame? Who freely gave him the tools to copy?

      The person to blame is the one who copied the data. Whether he was right or not is a matter for his conscience, personally I think it's hilarious.

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    111. Re:horse by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You are confusing soldiers with policemen. I suppose that's excusable, since our leadership has been making the same mistake for decades. Combat troops kill people, that is their job. You don't send an Apache to 'win hearts and minds'.

      The whole Iraq and Afghanistan debacles are usually justified on a "hearts and minds" basis by Western politicians, i.e. we got rid of nasty Saddam/Taliban so please love us and stop treating us as foreign invaders.

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    112. Re:horse by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The problem however is still the analog hole. You can get a digital camera that's ridiculously small. Snap a pic of the screen, done.

      Simple, you make all staff work in the nude, and conduct a full body cavity search on entrance and exit to any secure facility.

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    113. Re:horse by nharmon · · Score: 1

      He had it because he needed it for his job.

      Sorry, but that doesn't fly. His job requires someone with self-control, and he didn't have it (as evident by the assault, and his subsequent release of classified information).

      Fighting in the military isn't exactly considered a negative. The same impulses that cause you to hit an officer make you willing to kill another human being.

      The UCMJ disagrees, and provides some heavy punishments for people who strike an officer. In war time, such an act is a capital offense.

    114. Re:horse by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      There is no right to privacy mentioned in the constitution.

    115. Re:horse by Elbowgeek · · Score: 1

      I remember being told about the security measures that a private software contractor encountered when working on a top secret installation. He said that he was stripped of literally anything not necessary for the job (got to keep his clothes on though thankfully), had to keep hands above deck at all times and absolutely *no* means of recording *anything*, analog or digital, were permitted. Very interesting to talk to this chap.

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    116. Re:horse by Unequivocal · · Score: 1

      Right on. This has me baffled too. Just doing some basic audit tracking and detection would seriously reduce the damage any one low-level person could inflict.

      How many people need to access to the entire database of data? Probably a lot.

      How many need a copy of the entire database? Hopefully nobody?

    117. Re:horse by cold+fjord · · Score: 1
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    118. Re:horse by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      But since you brought it up, honesty in government is never going to happen. Most federal politicians are lawyers and I have yet to meet a lawyer that it's even occurred to to be honest unless it gained them something.

      Well, that's exactly the point at which leaks apply pressure. To restate the point above:

      This is I believe the intended effect of the wikileaks disclosures - from Assange's point of view - to confront government with the choice between efficiency or security (i.e. honesty and conspiracy), and make them see that it is better to be as honest as possible - i.e. it gains them something to be honest, and makes it more dangerous for them to be dishonest, as a leak may mean the end of their career, and leaks are more likely with wikileaks around.

    119. Re:horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they can use it as a reason to disable removable drives. If you can copy the raw data, it at least limits how much you can copy with printouts, or using a digital camera to photo it.

  2. Revival of the floppy disk! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank god they didn't ban floppy disks.

    I knew these bad boys would come in handy one day!

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    1. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The problem is that they've read the evil overlord list and are padding all files to 1.45 MB in size...

    2. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Especially since the entirety of sensitive military documents takes up roughly 1.3 MB, according to movies!

    3. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by skywatcher2501 · · Score: 1

      Yeah great videos of rappers telling us not to copy that floppy all over again.

    4. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize, that all of the leaks released so far take up only a few MB, right?

    5. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by Jerome+from+Layton · · Score: 1

      Effectively, they did by "upgrading" the PCs to models without floppy drive slots. Out in the world of the NIPR-net or non-secure lines with access to the internet, the Air Force has banned the use of any form of flash drive for at least a year. People who slip up find out in seconds; then, it turns nasty. Now, if they ban the use of CD-ROM and DVD disks, it could do more harm to effective mission accomplishment than the possible security gains. Activity logs should be the answer. When this twerp transferred a quarter million files, it should have set off all kinds of alarms. Why didn't it?

    6. Re:Revival of the floppy disk! by vandamme · · Score: 1

      I saved all those zip disks that everybody else was throwing out. I had two PC's with internal zips, which came in real handy when they banned thumb drives. Apparently, the centrifugal force flings malware off, whereas a camera card could take dirty pictures and thus was banned.

  3. Nothing to see... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

    This applies to SIPRNET machines, and specifically personal CDs, DVD, etc. The thing is, this has always been the rule. At least everywhere I've worked with SIPRNET access (Air Force).

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    1. Re:Nothing to see... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. No access to removable drives is part of Paranoia 101. I guess I'll just have to RTFA.

      Hope that helps.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man goes to work, man wants to listen to music, man brings his USB pluggable music player, man copies files.

      If USB is disabled:

      Man copies files locally, man brings boot disc, then see above.

      If bios is locked:
      flash bios.

    3. Re:Nothing to see... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Back in the day when Microsoft was advertising Windows NT 3.51 was C2-certified, we looked into the docs and one of the requirements on whatever PS/2 it was that was certified was that the floppy disk drive be removed. And off the network.

      The thing here is Manning brought a RW cd inside his CD player, and only then snuck it into his PC. Then, he snuck it out in his CD player. I suppose if he was smart he burned track 1 with music so he could 'prove' it was a music CD.

      The problem here is that a random private in Iraq had access to State Department cables from (e.g.) Honduras. Need-to-know-basis isn't a new idea, this was a major FU by the governing security body.

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    4. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The bios locks on most modern "business" grade systems require a motherboard swap or JTAG connection.

    5. Re:Nothing to see... by fluffy99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      This applies to SIPRNET machines, and specifically personal CDs, DVD, etc. The thing is, this has always been the rule. At least everywhere I've worked with SIPRNET access (Air Force).

      Close. It applies to SIPRNET and ALL removable media. If you have a legitimate requirement to use removable media it now must be authorized by your commanding officer in writing and you must have a procedure in place that uses two-person integrity.

    6. Re:Nothing to see... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. I pretty much thought that went without saying when I said "specifically personal..."

      An example would be Tactics Laptops that flyers carry on missions - these replaced giant binders, the info of which comes off of SIPRNET and is now on CDs.

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    7. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      Except, of course, my USB stick is masquerading as a wireless USB mouse receiver, complete with a fully testable mouse functionality, but not by default. Only if I press some of the mouse keys in a right combo and then it sprouts a 16GB flash storage device. Another combo click and its back to mere mousing...

      And so on, etc and the like.

      Unless they ban all USB devices, all BlueTooth devices, all WiFi devices and pretty much go to Fallout-style green-screen VT100 revival terminals...

    8. Re:Nothing to see... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      Unless they ban all USB devices...

      All USB devices were banned on both NIPRNET and SIPRNET earlier this year. WiFi and Blue-Tooth have certainly never been used with SIPRNET.

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    9. Re:Nothing to see... by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      All they need to do is install software that will alert security personel if a USB mass storage device is registered. Physical appearance does not play into it.

    10. Re:Nothing to see... by gatkinso · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Years ago we filled the USB ports of SIPRnet nodes at our site with crazy glue.

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    11. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was working tight security conditions like this, such was the case. No wifi devices, no bluetooth devices, no cellphones. Anything that had to be plugged in (mice, keyboard, etc.) had to be cleared and secured (glued shut) before it was plugged in and we didn't have access to the back of the computer as it was in a locked cabinet.

    12. Re:Nothing to see... by Bureaucromancer · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The fact that there are supposedly MILLIONS of people with access to this network is the real problem. If it is really too much trouble to have any kind of need to know mechanism on this data it's time for a major review of what actually needs to be classified. The reality is that if the system hadn't been wide open to anyone with a need for any part of it this never would have happened.

    13. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      And so we will move onto one of these, a camera in my watch or Van Eck phreaking gizmo in my shoe (with all due respect to Mr. Smart) and so on ....

      I assume they did not strip everyone naked and checked their cavities and recent surgery marks...

    14. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      See my reply to the dude above. There are so many other ways that it boggles the mind.

    15. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      When I was working tight security conditions like this, such was the case. No wifi devices, no bluetooth devices, no cellphones. Anything that had to be plugged in (mice, keyboard, etc.) had to be cleared and secured (glued shut) before it was plugged in and we didn't have access to the back of the computer as it was in a locked cabinet.

      None of which would of course stop a serious spy. I can think of at least two ways to download large amounts of data form a PC with this setup, and I am sure others could do even better.

    16. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but none of the wikileaks leakers were serious spies. It will stop your average to semi-above average joe.

    17. Re:Nothing to see... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      No, some simple settings in the security policy that only authorized sys admins can change and it doesn't matter if your USB stick can sprout wings, the system will not allow it. In fact, plugging it in will probably trigger a security event that will get you fired, court marshalled or jailed.

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    18. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2

      No, but none of the wikileaks leakers were serious spies. It will stop your average to semi-above average joe.

      True but laws of probability work against you here. If Wikileaks ethos catches on (as it seems to amongst a lot of people) there will be always a few who combine the will and the skill set. So the only long term defense will be removal of more and more features from these systems combined with restricting access to smaller and smaller subsection of data for each user - which will of course cripple the human resources more and more ...

      Hence my joking Fallout reference.

      This in fact was always the cornerstone of Soviet intelligence apparatus. Unlike the US which focused on more and more sophisticated and convoluted technology, they focused on people as the inevitable weak link, with the assumption that technological measures are essentially useless in the face of questionable loyalties of people with clearance ...

    19. Re:Nothing to see... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      And so instead I will use one of the many other no-physical-hardware-contact methods available to me...

      Unless you disconnect that computer from that SIPRNET thing entirely and make sure that it has no classified data on its HDD, you are pretty much screwed if it comes to stopping skilled people from getting stuff out of it.

    20. Re:Nothing to see... by spitzak · · Score: 2

      Is it possible nowadays to get a read-only CD/DVD drive? It would seem that would solve this problem pretty well.

      However I don't think I have seen a read-only drive in a long time...

    21. Re:Nothing to see... by LordSnooty · · Score: 2

      Why does the SIPRNET client allow full export of data? The problem lies here, does it not? I'm presuming here that Manning did not use some kind of screen scrape technique. As an intelligence analyst it doesn't follow that he would have low-level access to the database.

    22. Re:Nothing to see... by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      BS..... they require a simple app to generate the correct key for the hash given that an awful lot of service techs and/or support personnel have. Most have been reverse engineered and scripts written that are floating around on the net.

      A lot of these can be beaten with a simple paperclip on the read lines of the small flash chip on the board which forces them to take a shit and let you reset the password with a utility. Most have beaten the paper clip attack now but it still worked on Dell D6x0-series machines not all that long ago.

      The HDD locks can be more of a pain in the ass.

    23. Re:Nothing to see... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      The two-person "trusted download" has also been in place for years.

    24. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      SIPRnet doesn't have a client, per se, as it uses normal internet tools and programs over a secure /network/. We use IE 7/8 most of the time on Windows Vista in the Army, as we just fielded it (Vista) last year. I suppose we'll be getting 7 about 4 years after 8 is released...

      SIPRnet is US Federal Agency wide. It isn't limited to any one organization, and they each have their own policies on who gets to use it, how they use it, what systems are allowed access, and what software is allowed on those systems. You will frequently find situations where one agency (say NGIA) has setup, for example, a Google Earth server with classified imagery, but another agency (say the US Army) won't allow the Google Earth client on their machines and forces their personnel to use their own "approved" servers, clients, and data. Coordination of policy on the SIPRnet is about the same as you see elsewhere in the Federal Government... which is to say, nearly non-existant.

      Anyway, the vast majority of info on SIPRnet is on normal websites without any particular extra security beyond being on a secure network. In my time on the network, I never went looking for any diplomatic cables or large archives of anything in particular, but I suppose they might be out there, from what I've seen of various agencies setups. There /are/ sites that have further protection, but they are the exception in my experience.

      I think a lot of the problem with private Manning's case is many SIPR site admin's reliance on the network being "secure" and not further protecting their data. As far as need to know... yes, in theory that's the situation everywhere, but in most cases, it isn't practiced on SECRET classified material nearly as often as TOP SECRET.

    25. Re:Nothing to see... by Facegarden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...The problem here is that a random private in Iraq had access to State Department cables from (e.g.) Honduras. Need-to-know-basis isn't a new idea, this was a major FU by the governing security body.

      Apparently the reason they did that was that the 9/11 commission said it was *too much* secrecy that left us unable to prevent 9/11. They said that if more people had seen all the little signs, it would have been more likely that someone spoke up. So then the military responded by allowing more people in the military access to that information.

      The real problem is that we keep doing a bunch of secret shit in private, and then tell the public "don't worry, everything is fine, the war is going great, things are totally cool." The public knows they were getting smoke blown up their ass, and they wanted the truth. So, they found it. The military is creating a market for the truth by keeping it from us.

      In this day and age, if you deprive people of information, they're only going to want it more. The whole method of "damage control" that the US govt has been doing in the middle east is just flat out ineffective. I really wish they would just tell us the fucking truth. Then there'd be nothing interesting in these cables, and a lot fewer people would get away with fucked up behavior.
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    26. Re:Nothing to see... by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Bottom line is that you need to have people you trust accessing your systems, and if you can't guarantee that (which you probably can't), then you need warm bodies looking over their shoulders, etc etc. Sucks, but if you're that serious about data security, then you've got to make the effort to prevent these low-hanging fruit attacks that are possible now that a gigabyte is the size of your thumbnail and not the size of a filing cabinet.

    27. Re:Nothing to see... by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      I agree that a major part of the problem is a "need-to-know" issue. However, I don't think the army will publicize its steps on that issue. Just because they told us what the new regulations regarding removable storage are, doesn't mean they didn't set up new/refreshed procedures in other areas.

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    28. Re:Nothing to see... by htdrifter · · Score: 2

      That's what the Tempest standard is for. It dates from the late 70s/early 80s when they banned all removable anything.
      The guy they busted was an intelligence analyst. That might explain his access. If the information was secret or higher then it shouldn't be available to someone working alone on an office desktop. The entire incident doesn't make much sense.

      Everything I've seen from that leak has been been in the media before. No where is the classification level mentioned.

      Wall St firms have better security than this. All access to sensitive information is logged, and passed on to security. If the access isn't legitimate then you're out the door at minimum.

    29. Re:Nothing to see... by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      What you assume is that we found out/will find out everything the army tries to keep secret and thus they are better off telling us everything in advance. However, it is very likely that many screw ups* are hidden and will stay that way. I would go so far and say that I believe that we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg. If that is the case, the army's policy does not need to change (from their point of view). Why devulge details about 10 fuck-ups, if the public will find out only 1 on its own?
      It's the same logic that prevents a company from fixing a 100 million dollar problem. The lawsuits that follow after the public finds out about the problem may cost much more than that, but since there are many problems to fix, they can't afford to fix them all and only wait to fix what surfaces on its own.

      * I am not talking about things that really shuold be secret or the more problematic we-think-it-should-be-open-but-its-not-really-a-fuck-up grey areas.

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    30. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the parent poster..... We filled ours up with epoxy as well, this was after the CENTCOM debacle. (In addition to disabling the ports.)

    31. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good thing we just gave congress the ability to access it.
      http://whatsbrewin.nextgov.com/2010/05/hill_wants_access_to_secret_siprnet.php

    32. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about that wired USB keyboard and mouse you are using there, those are USB devices.

    33. Re:Nothing to see... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Back in the day when Microsoft was advertising Windows NT 3.51 was C2-certified, we looked into the docs and one of the requirements on whatever PS/2 it was that was certified was that the floppy disk drive be removed. And off the network.

      I think you'll find that was a requirement for any system to be C2-certified - it was part of the spec.

    34. Re:Nothing to see... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2

      You'd also better prevent your users from plugging in devices onto the wired and wireless network.

      And disable bluetooth.

      The user could also open the case up and plug in a hard drive.

      Well, you'll never plug all the holes.

    35. Re:Nothing to see... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what that will do to the mainframe/server he normally connects to...

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    36. Re:Nothing to see... by Requia · · Score: 1

      My second drive is read only (it was a dollar cheaper even).

      I don't know of any big vendors that offer that by default, but Dell was willing to bend over backwards for any order of 50 systems or more back when I worked for them, so it shouldn't be too hard for a buyer the size of the military. Of course, you'll need to deal with USB properly too.

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    37. Re:Nothing to see... by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      The two-person "trusted download" has also been in place for years.

      Not at the SECRET level. Most TS requires two-person.

    38. Re:Nothing to see... by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      That's what the Tempest standard is for. It dates from the late 70s/early 80s when they banned all removable anything.

      You might want to look up TEMPEST. Hint - it has nothing to do with removable media.

    39. Re:Nothing to see... by gatkinso · · Score: 2

      It seems as if you have never worked in an accredited environment.

      An AIS (computer) that hosts classified information cannot have wireless capability. No wireless NIC, No bluetooth. Yes they issue waivers for this all the time, which is stupid. In that case the wireless device is to be physically shorted out (which many people don't do they simply disable in the BIOS which is also stupid).

      Yes you could crack the case and get at the hard drive (which is also marked classified), good luck doing that unnoticed in a SCIF. Many times the machine itself is locked in a rack - you don't have the key. You don't have the BIOS password, and the machine is supposed to have case intrusion detection enabled. (And of course many do not).

      A big problem is the accreditation process which is artificially complex. It is not more than a cottage industry: made overly complex by so called IA (information Assurance) experts who claim only THEY can properly do this task (much like an FSO in the clearance realm). They obscure the process, make it totally non-transparent, withhold info... just to preserve their job. The paperwork is astounding.

      They have taken a fairly straight forward technical task and turned it into something ugly, unwieldy, and ineffective.

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    40. Re:Nothing to see... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't in the US, so I can't talk for SIPRNET specifically, but in classified networks in the UK:

      All network ports are connected to a managed switch. Plug something that isn't authorised in and you get a visit from armed security very quickly. Wireless network? You must be joking! There's unlikely to be any wireless network, and if there is then it's not going to be connected to the classified network.

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    41. Re:Nothing to see... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      You have software and BIOS-settings to prevent data carriers to be attached. One advantage of such software is that it allows you to make exceptions.

      You cannot really glue all physical connections anyway: there will be a few left on the motherboard, did you think about those? What if you receive computers without any PS-2 connections, glue on the keyboard? What if it breaks? What if someone connects a USB stick within the keyboard or just uses the cable?

      Our company uses McAfee software for this at the moment, but given the state of the software I would recommend something else. IMHO McAfee breaks more stuff than it fixes.

    42. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds good, but what about the keybooaaarrrrrddddddddddddddddddddddd?

    43. Re:Nothing to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the computers we had onbase (both SIPRnet and NIPR) has PS/2 connectors for both mouse and keyboard. Which made it annoying when one of the IT types ordered a bunch of replacement mice and forget what kind.

    44. Re:Nothing to see... by jrmcferren · · Score: 1

      We have that on the NIPRNet (non-secure) except for the armed guards part of course. When I use the NIPRNet, I'm not even able to get my us.army.mil email, it is locked down that far, also as per my project USB Mass storage devices are also disabled. Again this is the NIPRNet not the SIPRNet. We are locked down to the point that we can access what is needed for our work at the helpdesk. We have the ticketing system, the production system, the non-production system, the web portal system, and access to our corporate email via iNotes. Like I said even AKO is blocked.

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  4. Old news and misleading title by WatcherXP · · Score: 1

    This only applies to SIPRNET machines and has always been policy. No news here

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    1. Re:Old news and misleading title by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to TFA (which I just read) it WAS part of policy (after a bunch of worms) then it got dropped because it was hard to move data around (duh) and now it's back again with the acknowledgment that it's going to be harder to move data around. (duh).

      So I still don't get it - somebody finds something on SIPRNET. The copy it to a USB drive and give it to somebody else off the secured network, then plug it back into the 'secured' network again next week when the newest bunch of porn shows up? Sounds most secure.

      Maybe they just ought tweet everything. At least the 140 character limit should slow people down a bit.

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    2. Re:Old news and misleading title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the IT Staff. The dumbest people in the organization (IT's in the Coast Guard) are placed in charge of running the services computers. In my humble opinion this is the weakest link. For example, USB drives were always banned on SIPRNET, yet, the guy in charge of COMSEC, who we were supposed to go to if we found any 'practices dangerous to security' regulary copied classified message traffic on a thumb drive. He also had the biggest mouth in the organization. If you can't trust the guys in charge of enforcing security, you are really kind of screwed.

      Face it U.Sians are really just too dumb to operate computers. Let's outsource our IT organization to the Chinese. We outsource physical security on bases to illegal immigrants. Why can't we outsource information security. This change will create one consistent policy of outsourcing for each area of military responsibility. It will also bring the military more in line with the U.S. Governmental policy of providing services to the highest bidder.

    3. Re:Old news and misleading title by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Using a word like USian, I can see why you think they are dumb. Must be a lot of mirrors around.

    4. Re:Old news and misleading title by ciggieposeur · · Score: 1

      Maybe they just ought tweet everything. At least the 140 character limit should slow people down a bit.

      140 characters per packet is more than sufficient for Kermit file transfers.

  5. Good luck with that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait til you have to explain to this to the 11Bs....

  6. A sure way to prevent it. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is really hard to ban removable media given that you can attach a phone and it becomes a USB drive.

    Using Windows Terminal Server, or Aqua Connect on the Mac
    you can prevent anyone from using a USB device, as the data will be on a server, presumably locked away from users.

    1. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not supposed to have phones in classified facilities. That, along with all removable media shall not leave the facility, is a policy. Of course, you see how well that worked for them =/

    2. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by KublaiKhan · · Score: 1

      Phones aren't allowed in secured areas that contain SIPR computers.

      Neither are any other electronics.

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    3. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Concealing USB mass storage devices is trivial. They come in virtually any shapes and sizes(at the small end, limited largely by the smallest thing that falls reasonably close to the spec for a USB connector) and not too infrequently bundled with other devices(ie. "powerpoint presenter" widget that has an RF remote that is also a flash drive to store the presentation, various novelty crap, etc.) Further, all sorts of common, innocuous devices act as USB MSC devices when plugged in.

      Using them covertly is an entirely different matter, though. Unless the OS recognizes the device, reads the device IDs, loads the appropriate driver, and mounts the volume r/w, your device is a paperweight. That is the obvious area that the military should be focusing on. In pretty much any modern OS, a system that logs all devices connected/disconnected from any bus, with timestamp and present user, if any, and refuses to mount MSC devices/unexpected volumes without authentication shouldn't be all that difficult. Even a defense contractor could probably get something going, given 3-5 years and $100 million...

    4. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or on a UNIX machine you can just remove the user's permissions to mount anything new.

    5. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Don't need Terminal Services.. you can disable USB via GPO or other remote means ( or even something simple like removing drivers and not giving anyone admin access to reinstall them ). Hell if you really want to be sure, just remove the USB chip by force and lock the case.

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    6. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even worse than that. What about a thumb WiFi with a pocket MiFi device. I can just e-mail the files to anyone without going through the military servers. They need to disable ALL USB devices except keyboards mice and in some cases printers.

    7. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      How is it hard to ban cell phones? No secure area that I am aware of has allowed cell phones, blackberries, or even two-way pagers, for years. Same with personally-owned devices of any kind, even to the point of pre-recorded CDs.

    8. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      And that works fine for law-abiding folks who take their responsibility to keep the data in. But I bet you even one of them forgot to take his phone out of his pocket before walking through the magic door. Imaging if the forgetting was intentional.

    9. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      That happens all the time, and people watch for it. If someone want to actively steal data it's a pretty stupid method since you can get a flash drive that is much easier to hide than a cell phone. The parent post I was responding to was suggesting it was hard to prevent it because cell phones would to the same job and at least to me implied that cell phone would be allowed.

    10. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Using them covertly is an entirely different matter, though. Unless the OS recognizes the device, reads the device IDs, loads the appropriate driver, and mounts the volume r/w, your device is a paperweight. That is the obvious area that the military should be focusing on. In pretty much any modern OS, a system that logs all devices connected/disconnected from any bus, with timestamp and present user, if any, and refuses to mount MSC devices/unexpected volumes without authentication shouldn't be all that difficult. Even a defense contractor could probably get something going, given 3-5 years and $100 million...

      Particularly considering about 5 seconds with Google will tell you precisely how to roll this out with Active Directory. It wouldn't be difficult to configure udev to studiously ignore USB flash devices (actually I'd just remove usb_storage.ko, that way it's much harder to misconfigure), and I don't doubt something similar is already well known for OS X.

    11. Re:A sure way to prevent it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least as of a few years ago, all the printers certified for use with SIPRNET were still using parallel port connections. You can't use just any old printer for classified documents, as it would be trivial to modify it to record whatever it was printing, and extremely difficult to detect. Printers & copiers that have gone through the clearance process tend to be similar to the high-end commercial Xeroxes, but more expensive, of course.

  7. Just to be super extra Careful... by rueger · · Score: 1

    And these are the people that we set loose with big guns, exploding doohickeys, and nukes.

    Of course the logical progression is to ban the use of cameras, photocopiers, cel phones, paper, pencils, and people with photographic memories.

    1. Re:Just to be super extra Careful... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      And these are the people that we set loose with big guns, exploding doohickeys, and nukes.

      Who? Slashdotters who read a headline and start posting as if they know all the details? Slashdot summary writers who type so fast they forget to read TFA themselves? Journalists who misquote and misread their own notes if they bother to take any if they bother to ask any questions?

      The logical progression is to learn something before posting, because the people who can order use of the big guns, exploding doohickeys, and nukes actually had these policies in place, and the people at the other end responsible for implementing them failed to make sure they were being followed. The person responsible for following them who refused to follow them didn't have the authority to shoot snot out of his nose, much less big guns, exploding doohickeys, and nukes.

  8. epoxy by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    It's used to be the case that some companies would squirt epoxy into the USB ports on devices - Doesn't really work any more as many devices no longer have PS2 mouse and keyboard ports.

    1. Re:epoxy by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You can squirt epoxy in the front ones, and then use an enclosure that keeps the fingers away from the back ones without the right key, and probably some sort of tamper proof sticker to make it that much harder to do without being caught.

      But really, as soon as you allow physical contact you've blown security, this stuff is about making it as inconvenient as possible for an authorized party to be up to no good with console access.

    2. Re:epoxy by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Just take out the drivers for USB drives, and don't install burners or floppies.

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    3. Re:epoxy by blair1q · · Score: 1

      so epoxy the mouse and keyboard connectors into the usb ports and just gum up the rest

    4. Re:epoxy by cinderellamanson · · Score: 0

      You could epoxy the mouse and keyboard in place as well, as long as the contacts are good.

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    5. Re:epoxy by DrSlinky · · Score: 2

      It's used to be the case that some companies would squirt epoxy into the USB ports on devices - Doesn't really work any more as many devices no longer have PS2 mouse and keyboard ports.

      Um, dude... That stuff may have been sticky, but it sure wasn't epoxy!

    6. Re:epoxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's too damn complicated. Just run bricks running a flavor of Linux that force a citrix session. Get's rid of local data people have access to, makes policies super easy to enforce, and completely boned trieing to exploit the machine almost. Best you might be able to do from there is run a capture of what's on the PC's screen.

    7. Re:epoxy by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      Thin client + terminal server would work (linux or windows) then disable remote clipboard via policy... won't matter if the terminal has usb ports... at least not as much.

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    8. Re:epoxy by owlstead · · Score: 1

      And throw away the computer once the mouse or keyboard breaks? And it depends on the keyboard/mouse, but a few of mine use very convenient connectors *inside* the keyboard/mouse as well. It's almost trivial to reconnect this to an USB female connector. Of course, that would surmount to a dedicated attack, which is probably not what they are targeting with this measure. They are targeting people that use it for convenience and - of course - for adding some security theater to appease the general public.

  9. Not that hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is really hard to ban removable media given that you can attach a phone and it becomes a USB drive.

    The simple act of having a cell phone on you in most federal facilities that have these security policies is a security violation. A few of those and you can lose your job (yes, government employees can actually be fired in a "stop, don't pass go, you're on the street" way over this). If someone sees you plugging it into a SIPRNet node, you're fucked. Do that **now** while the government is making up for lost time and you've basically shredded your own clearance.

  10. Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exposing the governments' corruption and bringing the truth into the light. Wikileaks is my hero! I want to cheeking thomas ultimatum supremacy while I'm am own ass.

  11. That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ain't it? What are they going to do, search everybody, disable the ports, what?

    Oh they're just going to tell people not to do it?

    That'll work.

    But seriously, while I appreciate having a universal port of some kind, I do think it's a bit of a price to pay having basically one port used for everything. Not one that matters to most of us, but I suspect some people might wish things were different.

    Not sure it's feasible though.

    1. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by afidel · · Score: 1

      A) Go back to using PS/2 for keyboard and mouse, I never stopped using them for servers because the KVM's are just more reliable with it than USB. Now you can disable USB without an issue.

      B) Yes having the guys with guns tell you that you may not have that on base is generally a good enough deterrent.

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    2. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's an incredibly easy thing to solve, all you do is put the CPU into some sort of protective case that prevents a person from inserting or removing things from any of the ports without the proper key.

      You then keep the key in one of those industrial key minders that comes complete with logging.

    3. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      The port may be universal; but the drivers aren't. Nor is automatically mounting a volume as r/w on insertion. Physical disabling is crude and only for the most absolutely paranoid of situations; but software based disabling of all but the really clever covert channel stuff should be relatively simple...

    4. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The port may be universal; but the drivers aren't. Nor is automatically mounting a volume as r/w on insertion.[/quote]

      Or execute it. I hope that the military at least disabled that.

      Wait...didn't they mess that up too?

    5. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      Ah, the old "if you have physical access to a device, you can do anything" adage

    6. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At an old job, we had a setup like that. One New IT guy's blunder later, I had functional USB ports built into my new monitor...

    7. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read sumwhere ps/2 keyboards are more vulnerable to side channel attacks than usb.

    8. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and for it to really work, you'd also have to be really certain that the person can be trusted. This is just a way of making it even more inconvenient to try and smuggle information out. Sometimes the right solution isn't particularly high tech. It's amazing how much more secure you can make a system with a bit of epoxy applied to the right spots.

    9. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      The port may be universal; but the drivers aren't

      As somebody else pointed out, then just make your "device" mimic a keyboard. At start, it inputs a program to send the data, and that program then sends the data by twiddling the keyboard leds (caps lock, scroll lock, num lock). Should even work over PS/2.

      Physical disabling is crude and only for the most absolutely paranoid of situations

      At some point a minimum of physical security is needed. Such a cover protecting the connectors, so that you can't unplug the keybord, and plug something else into the port.

    10. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by feufeu · · Score: 1

      ...and then you watch your boxen die one after one from overheating ?

    11. Re:That's gonna be kinda hard with USB by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I would rather hope that on any network calling itself "military secure" areas writable by users and areas from which the system will execute code would be disjoint sets...

      I would also hope that they would have the absolute bare minimum of tools that might be useful to somebody attempting to turn a series of keystrokes into a program. Keyboard lights are a fun side channel; but they, again, rely on having something running system side. Subtler than USB MSC; but still something that a quality security setup should block simply as a matter of course.

  12. dropbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No mention of dropbox?

    1. Re:dropbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't use dropbox from a SIRPNET machine.

  13. tune in tomorrow when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the realize they need to move somehting and have no way to do so....

  14. Old news, sure, but you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has always been policy, sure, but you know that a vast majority of facilities who routinely do SIPR NIPR data transfers are going to be *completely fucked* when their higher-ups overreact to this, even if the data is Unclassified with no FOUO tag. They instituted 2nd man review policies initially after the Afghan leaks, and now this?

    Man, I'm glad I don't work there anymore. My old system is probably fucked by now.

  15. They should have used by cinderellamanson · · Score: 0

    mandatory access controls!!!

    http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/

    Especially since this is EXACTLY what it was designed for.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_access_control

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  16. Global Horses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the bigger horse is why would a low level person like Manning have so much access to begin with? Or for that matter such widespread access to such a large group to begin with? If it wasn't him then it would have been someone else.

    1. Re:Global Horses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wouldn't have needed access if he used social engineering techniques such as the one proposed in one of the first comments. Because he was an intel officer at all probably gave him opportunities for espionage. I highly doubt in his position his official account simply had access to the entire militarynetz. Need-to-now is the basis of classified information, otherwise what are you classifying.

    2. Re:Global Horses. by Artifakt · · Score: 2

      As someone who really was once an Intelligence officer, I'd like to point out that Bradley Manning was ranked Specialist 4, which is neither an NCO or commissioned rank. Until he made at least Sergeant, his need to know on anything besides possibly technical equipment specs was probably somewhere between nothing and Sgt. Schultz's "Nuuthink! Nuuthink!".

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    3. Re:Global Horses. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      So what the Hell was he doing in possession of that information in the first place? Kind of suggests he either had help or the military's systems aren't as secure as they'd like them to be.

  17. I've worked in classified areas in aerospace, and USBs have been disabled since the first USB equipped PCs showed up. In then early days I think they actually removed the USB interface chip. Now it's disabled in software.

    1. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's disabled in software, it can be re-enabled in software.

      AC

    2. Re:Huh by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Not without breaking in to the OS or BIOS settings, I presume. Gods, I hate truisms.

    3. Re:Huh by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Yes. You get a cookie. The *point* was why is this just now being done in parts of the actual military when the contractors have been required to do it for years?

  18. About fucking time by Yanimal · · Score: 1

    If secrecy and security are important then they should damn well act like it. A USB interface is about as secure as a mesh condom.

  19. So the leakers will now have to rely on by melted · · Score: 1

    So the leakers will now have to rely on plain old memorization, or print shit out. The only real way to prevent leaks is by monitoring access and severely punishing people for leaking. This leak only happened because the leaker all but knew he was impossible to catch. In fact, he was only caught because he bragged about it and someone turned him in.

    1. Re:So the leakers will now have to rely on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bragging is how most people get caught.

    2. Re:So the leakers will now have to rely on by isorox · · Score: 1

      So the leakers will now have to rely on plain old memorization, or print shit out. The only real way to prevent leaks is by monitoring access and severely punishing people for leaking. This leak only happened because the leaker all but knew he was impossible to catch. In fact, he was only caught because he bragged about it and someone turned him in.

      This leak was 250,000 cables. How do you print them out without being caught? Nobody could memorise them, and their credibility would be harmed in any case.

  20. Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machine by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a little story from back when I was the "IT security guy" (they didn't want to shell out the wage for a CISO, I guess) of a large, very security conscious company.

    Of course, no machine had USB ports or CD drives (not that CD drives could have allowed any software to leave the machine, but hey), nothing you could plug on parallel ports or serial ones, no floppy drives, no nothing. No way to plug anything into those machines that could remotely be used to transfer any data out of them.

    But of course, some people are more important than others, and some people have privileges. Needed or not. One department head needed to be able to use USB drives. It was actually a fairly level headed person and he was quite security conscious, was aware of the risks and able to handle it, and given enough pressure on the CEO he was finally allowed to use USB drives. This was actually still a fairly acceptable move. It was necessary for him and did increase his ability to work well and efficiently, and he could handle the additional responsibility and the risk was manageable and low enough to be acceptable.

    But then the invariable laws of the office privilege and status bullshittery set in. Because it is impossible that Department Head A gets something and Dufus B doesn't. I guess it's not hard to guess what happened next. Of course, all managers on this level had to be allowed to use USB drives, need them or not. And this was NOT acceptable anymore. Some of them were too dumb to actually plug an USB drive into their machine without causing a repair incident. But they had to get it, need it or not, but it's simply impossible that one of them gets a privilege and the others don't.

    So do not fear, people. Sooner or later this rule will be softened up and erode away because some people will have to have "privileges". Without being able to handle them.

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  21. I always wondered... by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    Bit of an honest question really.

    If I log onto my online email, its an ssh site. So what's there to stop me shoving the stuff in an encrypted and compressed file - and then sending it as an email. If they're sniffing the packets they'll only get garbage. If I create an email address just for this - its pretty hard to trace I would expect.

    Hell, doesn't even need to be email (although its the simplest way to cover tracks) - what's to stop me sending it over any sort of encrypted network?

    1. Re:I always wondered... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      If I log onto my online email, its an ssh site. So what's there to stop me shoving the stuff in an encrypted and compressed file - and then sending it as an email.

      You can't log into your online email from a SIPRNET machine.

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    2. Re:I always wondered... by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      Is that the only reason?

      Because there are a number of companies which let you log onto your online email - and have the same "You can't use USB" blocks.

    3. Re:I always wondered... by Ccomp5950 · · Score: 1

      SIPRnet isn't the internet. You can't pull up google or any internet website while on SIPRnet nor can you do so on the TOP SECRET network. They are not connected (for obvious reasons)

    4. Re:I always wondered... by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      Those companies networks are still connected to the Internet. SIPRNET is NOT.

    5. Re:I always wondered... by santax · · Score: 1

      Just take a picture with the cam in your phone. And take that out the door. It's a tested method and it works.

    6. Re:I always wondered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If nothing can get in or out of these machines, what good are they? How can they be used to share any information at all? If two IOs need to share info there has to be a practical means of doing so.

    7. Re:I always wondered... by Truekaiser · · Score: 1

      the router logging the activity from that workstation trying to access a unauthorized ip address from a external network?

    8. Re:I always wondered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Machines that are on SIPRNET can talk to each other and exchange files, but you can't connect to the public internet from the SIPRNET or from the public internet to the SIPRNET. There are procedures for getting files off of the SIPRNET for declassification or moving them on the SIPRNET from an unclassified area, but they aren't casual and it is logged in regards to who is doing what.

    9. Re:I always wondered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a counter-measure to that, normally only used in wartime.... like now*. check it out. It's a tested method... and it works!

      *Yes, the Authorization for Use of Military Force counts.

    10. Re:I always wondered... by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      Cameras and phones are not permitted in any room containing a SIPRNET terminal at every place I've ever worked.

  22. The press is just now getting around to this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a little confused by this "news". I spent the last six years in the submarine force and this was already a rule. No USB drives or personal CDs were allowed on any classified systems. Maybe the announcement is intended to inform people they're actually going to start enforcing the rule. I dunno.

  23. Separate secure channels? by smoothnorman · · Score: 1

    Has there ever been an explanation of what all the diplomatic traffic was doing going through the pentagon? Wouldn't separate channels, and perhaps distinct cryptology, whose individual security is checked and tested by the NSA be more secure in any-case?

    1. Re:Separate secure channels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a feeling that A) this being the government, they found it easier to use the pentagon's already established private, secure network to transmit diplomatic cables, and B) after 9/11 would have consolidated anyway after all the hubub about inter-agency communication and cooperation to make it easier to share information.

    2. Re:Separate secure channels? by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 2

      Has there ever been an explanation of what all the diplomatic traffic was doing going through the pentagon? Wouldn't separate channels, and perhaps distinct cryptology, whose individual security is checked and tested by the NSA be more secure in any-case?

      In the aftermath of 9/11, lack of information sharing was cited as a critical flaw that allowed the attacks to happen. So they responded with information oversharing...

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    3. Re:Separate secure channels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is that none of the leaks of 9/11 itself, that grandiose blundering of a coup d'etat, seem to have penetrated the real MSM approved world. There must be some invisible barriers to these 9/11 leaks :-)

  24. That won't work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The CyberPolice will backtrace you, and consequences will never be the same!

  25. Which horse? by jd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Pentagon had to ban USB sticks, et al, internally after the biggest single security breach caused by a virus passed around and brought onto the secure SIPRNET within the Pentagon itself. It's unclear to me if the problem was the virus relaying secret information off the secure network, or what, but apparently it was labelled the single biggest security breach by the Pentagon and they're unlikely to be overplaying security holes.

    Mind you, NASA has just released secret information into the public domain by selling hard drives known in advance to contain secret information. These are drives that FAILED in-house auditing for such stuff. And prior to that, disk drives containing blueprints for the current generation of super stealth fighters were sold by Lockheed-Martin to Iran. (And people think Wikileaks did bad stuff?!?!?!?! How the hell does a bunch of personal opinions compare with giving a terrorist-funding nation plans for the top US fighters? Internal to Iran, there's the possibility they will find a weakness. Think Death Star plans. Think the Stealth Fighter shot down in Serbia. Yes, the Serbians blew up one of America's best planes, and with a cruddy cheap missile at that. On an international level, the Russians will doubtless use the plans to improve on their own airfoils and may be able to exploit the design to improve on whatever shape-based stealth they've developed so far.)

    Add to that that NASA servers have been hacked in the past to turn them into file-sharing sites. Which means that whatever classified files were in those exposed directories have been shared as well. Quite plausibly these files were protected by DES only, not triple DES or AES, as "commercially sensitive" data is classified below secret and certainly only used basic DES up until a couple of years before that breech was discovered.

    Then, back in the 90s, there was a breech at the Pentagon due to computers containing classified information being on the public Internet and having .hosts files. (NASA used .hosts files and rsh well into the current millenium and may well still do so.)

    That's four Bloody Obvious horses, with gold bridles and gem-encrusted saddles, that have walked out and were only noticed after they kicked the door down at the stablemaster's house. There may be others.

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    1. Re:Which horse? by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you outlaw USB drives, only outlaws will have USB drives.

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    2. Re:Which horse? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Mind you, NASA has just released secret information into the public domain by selling hard drives known in advance to contain secret information. These are drives that FAILED in-house auditing for such stuff.

      That's an interesting point. Our Secret and up drives are wiped and then physically dismantled and the platter destroyed. Even our non-classified drives get folded in half by a blade powered by a some sort of piston...

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    3. Re:Which horse? by Spottywot · · Score: 1

      Mind you, NASA has just released secret information into the public domain by selling hard drives known in advance to contain secret information.

      I know the NASA budget has been cut over the last few years but have they really been reduced to selling second hand hard drives?

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    4. Re:Which horse? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      it was labelled the single biggest security breach by the Pentagon and they're unlikely to be overplaying security holes.

      Congratulations, you have begged the question.

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    5. Re:Which horse? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you outlaw USB drives, only outlaws will have USB drives.

      Because carrying a USB thumb drive around with you at all times is a basic human right and protected by the Constitution.

      WTF are you talking about? If you work in a top security environment do you really think you should be allowed to have USB drives, cameras or whatever so that you can copy whatever you like? It's not like downloading a copy of the Top Ten, the information actually has value.

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  26. Remove Storage capability from USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My company has all storage options on USB shut off. I mean I know how to get around it, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

  27. Incompetence "securing" again by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    The security they had was poor because of incompetence, the same incompetence will "secure" it again. Will it work? ;-)

    This isn't even really secure information and its extremely likely spies have always had this level of access. What I'd love to know is how secure the actually secure or extremely secure information is... and how easily accessed that is by foreign governments (and future internet leaks as the US government falls deeper into the authoritarian black hole.)

  28. And your watch? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1
    1. Re:And your watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are firing squads.

    2. Re:And your watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bet you the traitorous fag never faces one.

  29. Just ban the users! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just ban the users! Ok, I'll go now...

  30. Something Ain't Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Something about this whole affair is bugging the crap out of me.

    The messages prior to 1997 are all uppercase, and in the proper JANAP-128 format. They all pass the "sniff test" to me, but what don't pass the sniff test Manning. He could've had acces to the copter video, that'd be out and about. But where the heck is he supposed to be getting cables from the 60's and 70's??? That stuff don't normally get put up on the SIPRnet, it's kept on microfiche in archives.

    This smells like someone old. Somene who's been on the inside for a very long time, collecting skeletons, putting everything in electronic format waiting for the right moment to open the door from a safe distance and let it all out. Waiting for the right medium (wikileaks), the right person to make an opening (Manning) and then take all the heat (Assange).

    This feels like someone's very old archive. It don't feel like the work of one stupid kid.

    1. Re:Something Ain't Right... by Kagura · · Score: 1

      They probably put the entire OCRed diplomatic cable archive from the last few decades on there, or more likely the State Department just put the "historic" cables on there.

  31. Where I Work.... by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    ....we haven't been allowed to use thumbdrives and such, like, forever......

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  32. Other ways to get data out by hawguy · · Score: 2

    It's great that they finally figured out that letting employees write secret data to a storage device is a security risk, but are they also auditing outbound communication? Will they notice if an employee emails the data to his Gmail account? Or deposits it on some hacked server somewhere? Will they notice it if he uses steganography to hide it in other data?

    Or maybe he'll use a program that converts the data to visible data that can be recorded by a camera (sure sure, cameras are against regulations, but stealing data is against regulations too...if he's a determined data thief, cameras can be hidden in all sorts of objects and body cavities). For example, a QR code can hold 4KB of alphanumeric data. If someone writes a program that displays 15 frames/second of QR encoded data and records it with a camera, that's 200MB of data every hour.

    If he's patient, he can record it as a 2400 baud data stream and record it on his MP3 player - he can steal around 10MB/hour using this method.

    Or maybe he can record it as a bit patter on a laser printer - if he can write at 100dpi reliably, thats around 100KB per piece of paper. If that can be stretched to 500dpi he'll get around 2MB per piece of paper, and will look like a grey piece of paper to the naked eye so security won't pay any attention "Oh that, it's scrap paper I'm taking home to my kids".

    How will he get such a data theft program onto the computer? Simple -- if he can't download it off the internet (perhaps a "gif" that just needs the first 128 bytes stripped off to make it an executable), he can plug in a USB keyboard dongle that acts as a keyboard and then let it type in the program for him.

    How secure *is* our secret data? Hopefully banning USB drives is just one layer and they are taking greater steps to securing who has access to such data.

    1. Re:Other ways to get data out by Sparx139 · · Score: 1

      How secure *is* our secret data? Hopefully banning USB drives is just one layer and they are taking greater steps to securing who has access to such data.

      Really, all your post says to me is that it's impossible to properly secure it. No matter what security protocols you put in place, someone will find a way around them. Even if they are followed properly and don't lax over time (and we all know how likely that's going to be), there will always be a hole that someone who is persistent enough will find.

      We all know that in computer security, whitelisting is more secure then blacklisting - with blacklisting, there's always another threat out there that was missed, and once one knows the system sufficiently it becomes trivially easy to bypass it (ask any school student who wants to access a blocked website at school).

      It's a situation like this, which means the only way to maintain the system's security is by blacklisting known security vulnerabilities - banning removable media, and so on. But of course that method is flawed. Sooner or later someone will come up with a new way to breach the security. And if they're smart enough not to brag about it and lucky enough not to get caught, then there's no easy way to tell what the security hole is.

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    2. Re:Other ways to get data out by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      If someone writes a program that displays 15 frames/second of QR encoded data and records it with a camera, that's 200MB of data every hour.

      Good luck with spending hours photographing your screen without getting seen by co-workers walking by your office. Any data theft has to be quick in order to be unconspicious.

      If he's patient, he can record it as a 2400 baud data stream and record it on his MP3 player - he can steal around 10MB/hour using this method.

      How will he get sound out of his PC? Loudspeakers? Within minutes co-workers curious about the strange noise will show up. Well, maybe headphones, but soon enough you'll be losing too much quality to keep the data stream usable.

      Or maybe he can record it as a bit patter on a laser printer - if he can write at 100dpi reliably, thats around 100KB per piece of paper. If that can be stretched to 500dpi he'll get around 2MB per piece of paper, and will look like a gray piece of paper to the naked eye so security won't pay any attention "Oh that, it's scrap paper I'm taking home to my kids".

      Security personnel at such institutions are trained to spot just such shenanigans... Maybe they won't understand what you are doing, but they sure know that something very bizarre is going on if somebody tries to smuggle seemingly "gray" paper out of the facility... Not to mention that any computer with high enough security clearance may not actually allow output to printer. Or at least not to a printer without a guard standing near it.

      he can plug in a USB keyboard dongle that acts as a keyboard and then let it type in the program for him.

      That would indeed bypass any software protection based on USB ids. But what about physical security (such as a shell locking over the back half of the computer, preventing access to USB ports). Sure, the perp could always cut the keyboard cable, and directly solder his device on, but then again he'll be bust if somebody just happens to be walking into his office at the wrong moment.. not to mention the permanent damage to the cable raising another red flag.

    3. Re:Other ways to get data out by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

      It's great that they finally figured out that letting employees write secret data to a storage device is a security risk, but are they also auditing outbound communication? Will they notice if an employee emails the data to his Gmail account? Or deposits it on some hacked server somewhere? Will they notice it if he uses steganography to hide it in other data?

      SIPRnet machines aren't connected to the internet, precisely to prevent this.

      Or maybe he'll use a program that converts the data to visible data that can be recorded by a camera (sure sure, cameras are against regulations, but stealing data is against regulations too...if he's a determined data thief, cameras can be hidden in all sorts of objects and body cavities). For example, a QR code can hold 4KB of alphanumeric data. If someone writes a program that displays 15 frames/second of QR encoded data and records it with a camera, that's 200MB of data every hour.

      Having a camera in a secure area is a good way to get security personnel mad at you and probably get arrested.

      If he's patient, he can record it as a 2400 baud data stream and record it on his MP3 player - he can steal around 10MB/hour using this method.

      Of course, you'd have to explain why you've got your mp3 player hooked up to the audio out jack of a computer.

      Or maybe he can record it as a bit patter on a laser printer - if he can write at 100dpi reliably, thats around 100KB per piece of paper. If that can be stretched to 500dpi he'll get around 2MB per piece of paper, and will look like a grey piece of paper to the naked eye so security won't pay any attention "Oh that, it's scrap paper I'm taking home to my kids".

      Classified areas do not work that way. Even if you get the paper out, people will ask why the hell you were printing out those grey sheets of paper. Then someone will look closer and figure out it's data. Then you get arrested.

      How will he get such a data theft program onto the computer? Simple -- if he can't download it off the internet (perhaps a "gif" that just needs the first 128 bytes stripped off to make it an executable),

      Can't get on the internet from a classified machine.

      he can plug in a USB keyboard dongle that acts as a keyboard and then let it type in the program for him.

      It'd be awfully suspicious unless you've got some alone time. And decent security shouldn't be letting you bring in personal drives to a secure area (that Bradley Manning was able to shows more that the security was doing something wrong).

      How secure *is* our secret data? Hopefully banning USB drives is just one layer and they are taking greater steps to securing who has access to such data.

      They'll probably compartmentalize more. That a PFC could get their hands on the sheer volume of documents that he did is rather nuts.

    4. Re:Other ways to get data out by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Auditing of outbound comunications is trivial and in use today in almost all kinds of businesses. Also, some business require that all email - inbound and outbound - be stored for archival, security, insurance and accountability purposes. Running non-authorized programs (and that includes loading objects from non-secure locations using a browser) is easily disabled in all modern operating systems I know of. Also, many non-privileged workstations don't have sound or even enabled sound devices. And printing accounting is common practice, and in some places a copy of the spool jobs is kept for some time, also for accountability and insurance purposes.
      Disabling USB devices (including preventing driver loading/unloading, like when plugging out a keyboard and plugging it in again), prevent mounting of CD/DVD drives, and of course, preventing execution of stealth, unauthorized or privileged apps is trivial and has been for many years. I've seen workstations without user write support of any kind - the user cannot write anywhere on the system - and again, this is common practice in many businesses since the 80s. The examples I gave are common in many businesses (from corner stores to multinational organizations), and usually covered in general by certifications such as ISO27001. Even if you can steal it, the probability is that "they" will trace it back to you.

  33. I don't get it, really. by Stormin · · Score: 1

    I've worked at several different banks that had software in place to disable the USB ports to prevent this exact sort of thing from happening. In one case they built the software in house so that certain USB devices that were issued by the firm could be unlocked, but nothing else. CD writers, if available on the host, were also locked down by the software and could only be used with prior approval. From what I know of the banking industry, this is pretty standard practice.

    But computers holding sensitive government data don't even have that level of security?

    1. Re:I don't get it, really. by Stargoat · · Score: 1

      I'll confirm this as standard practice.

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  34. My eyes and brain are removable media by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Some people have photographic memories. Will you ban them from looking at the screen?

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  35. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    But then the invariable laws of the office privilege and status bullshittery set in. Because it is impossible that Department Head A gets something and Dufus B doesn't.

    The whole concept of, "If I make an exception to the rules for you, I will have to do it for everyone" is such bullshit - both as an excuse not to make an exception and as a justification to do it for everyone else. Management like that might as well be replaced by a robot for all the value they add.

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  36. Am I missing something? by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

    Am I missing something?

    Now I realize there are probably many different configurations for workstations and such, but why is THIS not the point at which leaks are stopped?

    Order and implement workstations/terminals/laptops that simply do not have CD/DVD drives OR USB DRIVE PORTS installed. You know, no ports or drives to plug anything into? Short of photographing the image on a monitor, doesn't this pretty much rule out digital transfer of data?

    I've seen pictures online (some random image pack on Cryptome, me thinks) of things like a field tent set up with tables in a row and laptop after laptop all networked(you could see the cables), each with a soldier happily going about what appears to be personal activities (a PS2 gaming controller isn't milspec, is it?). If these same machines are being used for OFFICIAL use, no fucking wonder they have problems.

  37. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by shadowofwind · · Score: 2

    The other possibility is that the whole institution will become increasingly paralyzed and unable to accomplish anything. Unlike a company, the armed forces can't actually go bankrupt. The USB ban and similar issues are already a problem for the Air Force.

  38. Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by kawabago · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The military slaughtered innocent people and covered it up. That was the reason for the leak, to shine a light on wrong doing. To prevent a future leak the military should also own up to it's mistakes and not cover up innocent accidental deaths in future. That would do more to prevent future leaks than any amount of security.

    1. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those were not mistakes, you just weren't supposed to hear about them because you wouldn't approve.

    2. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      can I mod you -1+1i idealist

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    3. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heavens, no.

      The discovery of what they were doing was their cue work harder at concealing their dirty deeds, not clean up their act. Clearly you missed the memo.

    4. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      The modding systems obey the KISS principle. No complex stuff here!

    5. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 1

      Keep it real.

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    6. Re:Why not ban covering up military mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what "wrong doing" was the critical infrastructure/sites list covering up?

      Oh that's right, nothing.

      I'm all for the let's not classify stuff to cover it up and that should be exposed, but a lot of the leaks are just irresponsible.

  39. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    But then the invariable laws of the office privilege and status bullshittery set in. Because it is impossible that Department Head A gets something and Dufus B doesn't.

    The whole concept of, "If I make an exception to the rules for you, I will have to do it for everyone" is such bullshit - both as an excuse not to make an exception and as a justification to do it for everyone else. Management like that might as well be replaced by a robot for all the value they add.

    You have clearly never been a manager.

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  40. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Physically hide away the computer casing, so that no I/O ports can't be accessed by the user.
    2) Leave a 'reception' where legitimate users, with the help of a commanding officer, can upload data to a removable media upon approval.
    3) Create a special purpose folder on the network that is visible to the user, and the person administrating removable devices.

    This way, no data can leave the network without some commanding officer approving it.

  41. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had a number of thought experiments with colleagues over the years as to how you could circumvent something like this and there are many, many ways to get data off a machine. Take in a pair of headphones with a small recording device (e.g. a nano) and write a few lines to script to turn your files into modem tones. Or watermark the screen using an algorithm that's not visible to the naked eye and take a photo with your iPhone. Or embed confidential data into non-confidential data by encoding it into the punctuation characters. Heck, I've even heard of people tapping into the blinking lights on the wifi port.

  42. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have clearly never been a manager.

    First rule of good management - Don't do something stupid just because its written down.

  43. What about others? by antdude · · Score: 1

    What about punch cards? :P

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    1. Re:What about others? by Kelzar · · Score: 1

      Somebody took the Bible too literally. Punch cards never existed in real life, they're just a myth that resulted from a mis-translation from Koine Greek.

  44. Win for Wikleaks by Swampash · · Score: 2

    This action by the US Government is a clear win for Wikileaks. It is EXACTLY what Wikileaks intends for its targets to do. Wikileaks's clear publicly-stated goal is for secretive corporate and government "conspiracies" to react to leaking by restricting internal communications. http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-computer-conspiracy-%E2%80%9Cto-destroy-this-invisible-government%E2%80%9D/

  45. Only 1,295 cables have been published by MyNicknameSucks · · Score: 2

    Just under 1300 cables have been published; all 250,000 have most definitely NOT been published. They're being released in dribs and drabs. Source: http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html

  46. Why is the /. crowd helping criminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why so many on /. seems to want to help this dark part of government keep their treasonous, oath breaking secrets. If it was nuke secrets that's one thing, but these are crimes hidden behind state secrets. Anyone who's ran a network in the past 15 years knows how to fix the security side of this, the question is, what about the oath breaking scum running our government which this has exposed. What punishment for them? For god sakes they are hiding treason, and crimes behind state secrets. Doesn't anyone have a problem with this? It's no wonder the US Constitution is intermittent, nobody will *****ng defend it!

    (this comment has no love /hate reflection on /. it's the posters motive I question.)

    1. Re:Why is the /. crowd helping criminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You knew the following was going to come up, but here it is anyway:
      1. Practical security ideas can be calmly discussed regardless of the government's wrong doing and without constantly reminding the reader of the poster's feelings toward the government.
      2. There are surely, by now, a dozen other wikileaks-related threads that contain the amount of anger you require to feel secure.

  47. this isnt new! usb sticks have been banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    usb sticks have been illegal in the us military for over a year. and they've been quite serious about enforcement. removable media control isn't new because of wikileaks, although prohibition of dvds/cds are probably a direct result.

    IMO the date they started the no-usb-stick policy seems to be suspiciously close to the date when stuxnet was supposed to have started taking root in iran.

  48. 1989 calling - already solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I worked in a defense contractor in 1989. Even back then we were forbidden to:
    - bring a camera to work.
    - have floppy drives working on any computer
    - have printers connected to any PC - printouts had to be sent to a special room.
    - use any kind of portable media (parallel port tape drives, etc).
    Of course, all our systems were on a private network - no internet access at all. Part of my job was to introduce software and tools into the network when formally requested - lots of paperwork. That's how compilers and 3rd party libraries were brought inside.

    IBM made desktops with locked sliders to prevent access to the floppy drives. I'd be shocked if those weren't still manufactured.

    Anyway - this has been solved, just forgotten.

    BTW, have you ever wondered why at least 1 Blackberry didn't have a camera? DoD users.

  49. Humans are the Weak Link in Security by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

    Never will stop leaks and this crap just makes working in a secure environment very hard. But that's just my opinion.

    1. Re:Humans are the Weak Link in Security by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Never will stop leaks and this crap just makes working in a secure environment very hard. But that's just my opinion.

      So the military might just as well use the public internet for everything and stop worrying about security entirely?

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  50. I was the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Believe it or don't. In 2006 I was an Air Force IA contractor; and, to my knowledge, I was the first to explicitly warn the Air Force and DISA about thumb USB drives and the vulnerability of DoD's information systems to this type of attack vector. They rejected my security clearance and fired me.

    1. Re:I was the first by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      They rejected my security clearance and fired me.

      They may have rejected your security clearance, but I really don't think for the reason you suggest. Sorry, no...

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    2. Re:I was the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removeable media was forbidden long before that.

      If you were new and had a temporary clearance until they finished a real one, they got rid of you because they just didn't want to pay the $70k for a basic secret clearance at the time. Military contracts are all about milking the teat of Uncle Sam on the off chance that we have to spin up the military-industrial complex for World War III.

      Chances are better that you irritated your manager, and/or weren't part of the "prior military career" club.

  51. Other methods to get data out.... by cheekyboy · · Score: 2

    1. Your monitor is at 60 hz, so flash your text or encoded bits on the screen at 30fps, and record it with your iphone HD recorder. High quality mode, or use someother small HD camera that uses little compression.

    2. Encode your documents into an audio streamed 6bit/sample with ECC. Hit play and record using your analgoue or no compression digital recorder via the Audio Out jack. This will require some small code in VB you can type in either by memory or from paper/iphone.

    If you have a monitor or audio out jack, theres your output jacks.

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  52. 3 million people with "secret" access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps they need to address how everyone and their mother has OFFICIAL access to "secret" level documents.

  53. BrokenArrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not include a rights and access management feature to a modified open-source ReiserFS file system, With the added benefit of a auto self-destruct mechanism via some mechanism that would corrupt the index file thus rendering any and all data un-usable and almost completely unrecoverable. This would probably be one of the more logical methods to keep something like this ever happening again, i may not understand how things operate in a government/federal situation but then you also have the fundamental aspect concerning ethics that from my understanding is part of the uniform code of ethics. Mr manning broke the law, and their are consequence for that action. But one must ask himself how could he have bypassed current security procedures lest "duh duh duh pending conspiracy theory" someone higher up wanted the leak to occur? Could this be a plausible scape goat to keep the sheeple distracted from the real criminals and throw mr assange and manning in the clink for mere ridiculous technicality's. Wake up folks and stop relying on technology to resolve social and societal conditioning.

  54. Hmph by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I was working back at Data General doing auditing of their C standard library for B2 rating documentation, the discussion of covert channels revolved around things like having an application consume more or less CPU time in order to signal applications in the non-secure domain that might be watching. There was also a nifty one about forging the return address on ICMP packets in such a way that you could send the packets to random addresses on the network and all the bounced returns would end up at a single machine.

    But yeah, banning removable media is also good...

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  55. small details by nightcats · · Score: 1

    You'd think geeks would get the details right: 250,000 cables have NOT been published. Barely over a thousand have been. Yet this dweeb and the entire American MSM spouts about a quarter million cables published. Has idiocy become so enshrined that slashdot editors now bow to it, too? Are there any adults in charge anymore?

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  56. I hope nobody thinks of using a pencam. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because using a pencam to record images of the screen of a computer showing "classified" information would be wrong. Wrong! I urge people to not do this, and to not pass the information along to an organization (like Wikileaks or Openleaks, for instance) which would disseminate the information. You're naughty for even considering it.

    I would also advise against using Bluetooth dongles and cellphones to transfer information off such computers. This would also be bad. Very, very bad. Don't even think about doing it. Don't try wireless USB either, when it's available to you. USB 802.11x adapters would be a bad idea, as well.

    If you do these things, you are a horrible person, and I hope you're eaten by rabid cats.

    Sincerely,

    Anonymous

  57. Shouldn't have been able to access 250,000 files by putaro · · Score: 1

    This supposedly secure system shouldn't be letting you suck 250,000 files out of it without some kind of flags being triggered or a higher access required. Really, why would you need to access all of the files? And if you were doing some kind of automated analysis you should need clearance for that and permission and be monitored to make sure you don't abuse the access.

  58. I've been trying to figure this out for a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been trying to figure this out for a while now: why is there so much fuss about leaked diplomatic cables in the first place? How does anyone know they're authentic? Why isn't the US government simply stating that none of them are real? I naturally distrust and am suspicious of my government as I know what sort of low-life scum it accretes to itself, but I also am inherently distrustful of private individuals who may possibly have their own agenda. Are these cables somehow signed with a PGP key that can be used to positively identify the origin? Can these messages not be faked? Also again, how the hell does some low-level twerp get his hands on ANY of these alleged sensitive communiques? Lastly, why does the government not simply send a lot of bogus traffic around, as sort of a reverse "I am Spartacus!" maneuver, in which there are whole messages which are essentially nulls, burying the real messages in a sea of BS?

  59. Long live uuencode! by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Long live uuencode!

    If you don't get this you'd better off browsing barbie.com.

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    1. Re:Long live uuencode! by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. I went to barbie.com and there's NOTHING about uuencode there.

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  60. No by Rix · · Score: 1

    He's in jail because the first rule of spy club is you don't talk about spy club. If he'd kept his mouth shut about what he'd done, he'd probably never have been caught. Possibly, but probably not.

  61. Well behind even low budget private enterprise by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I work in a fairly small and relaxed business, and even there only the people that are trusted to burn client data to disc have DVD burners. There's always the USB device angle but less relaxed businesses (eg. a legal firm a friend works for) put epoxy in the USB ports of most machines.
    We're seeing a failure at many levels - why did Manning have access to so much stuff anyway let alone be able to get it onto a device and get it out of the building? Apparently any of three million people could potentially have done the same thing. We can be pretty certain that even small countries with very little effort put into intelligence gathering already have all of this stuff. Somebody sympathetic to the Saudis probably got it all out years ago then somebody sympathetic to Bin Laden may have passed it on long before Manning got hold of it.

    1. Re:Well behind even low budget private enterprise by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I work for a city and every PC is ordered with a writable dvd drive, not to mention unwatched USB ports. I am not aware of any facilites to stop data extraction.

      troubling to me since I am coming from a medical environment, but the least of my worries right now...

  62. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by dbIII · · Score: 1

    No, it's a matter of changing the rules for good reason. Some managers just don't grow up and are jealous of extra "privilege" and do not understand that even the janitor has keys to get into more areas than they do simply because of different responsibilities.
    It's like the creeping desire of office workers in fixed locations to have laptops because they see high status management that travel a lot with them and entirely miss the "travel a lot" point.

  63. Re:I've been trying to figure this out for a while by mean+pun · · Score: 1

    How does anyone know they're authentic? Why isn't the US government simply stating that none of them are real?

    There are simply too many of them to be easily faked in a convincing way. Even the ones that have been made public. And of course the US government cannot reasonably claim at the same time that they are fake and that they are endangering US interests. (Not that governments are always reasonable in matters like this.)

    Lastly, why does the government not simply send a lot of bogus traffic around, as sort of a reverse "I am Spartacus!" maneuver, in which there are whole messages which are essentially nulls, burying the real messages in a sea of BS?

    I'm not entirely sure what you propose, but I don't see how this could work. The leaked set of messages is fixed, so adding nonsense to the set won't work. The Pakistani secret service has planted negative stories about India in Pakistani newspapers supposedly based on leaked cables. That was quickly debunked, though, again because the supposed quotes were not found in the real leaked messages. I don't see how anyone else could be more effective with such a tactic.

  64. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    No, it's a matter of changing the rules for good reason.

    We seem to be in agreement. My point is that managers who refuse to manage the exceptions in favor of rigidly conforming to simplistic policies aren't managing at all.

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  65. Just a ban? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    As i understand it, "leaking information to third parties" was already banned, so anyone looking to do that is already breaking the rules wether they use removable media, steal the internal hard drive, transfer data out over the network, take photographs of the screen or even just print it out...

    Banning the use of removable media just makes life harder for those people who do want to play by the rules and do their job efficiently. People who want to steal data will just find a different way to do it.

    And this assumes they enforce the banning of removable media effectively, most deployments i saw just had a program running designed to disallow you access to removable media devices, but if you can make this program crash then everything opens up.

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  66. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It's not a "concept", as much as it's human nature. Don't ask me, I never understood humans, but it seems that they get irate if someone has something they don't have, no matter whether they need it or not. It's that odd mix of greed and envy.

    The most ludicrous things happen should a "subordinate" need something "bigger, better, faster, more" to do his job than his superior. Like, say, I need a faster computer to program, compile and draw charts than my boss, who does, at best, read emails with his machine. If you have a smart boss (like I had at that time), you can actually turn those office floor alpha male bull around in your favor.

    My boss ordered a new machine for me, which was required and the beancounters approved because it was simply necessary. But in turn, his machine would have been inferior, so it was simply unacceptable (at least according to the management droids) to just drop a "good" machine (read: a tenth of what I'd need but twice of what the beancounters would spit out without throwing a tantrum) on me and have my boss suffer from using a machine not superior to mine. I was wondering at that time why my boss was chiming in and ranting how it is inexcusable, usually he was a pretty level headed guy and not playing the office floor alpha male game. And he didn't really need his machine for anything but emails and managing appointments.

    When our new boxes got delivered, he took "mine" and gave me "his", mentioning something along the lines of this being the only way to get me a sensible machine.

    No, he didn't know much about computers or what our department actually did (i.e. produce software), but boy, he was great at playing the office games! I miss him.

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  67. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Try, just try, to show a mid level manager why that dorky computer geek needs higher privileges on "his" (the manager's) machine than the manager himself gets. And now convince him that ISO 2700x demands that.

    From a sensible point of view, the last thing I want is higher privs on a work machine than I absolutely have to have. For more than one reason. First, it takes away the convenient "can't do that, don't have the privs" excuse whenever I don't want to do something. Lame excuse, granted, but it gives you a good reason to take a trip to the water cooler and let the computer geek do the installation (and be responsible for it when (not if, WHEN) it fucks something up). If you have the privs to install stuff on your machine, you may rest assured that you will be forced to learn how to maintain it because you will be expected to install patches and new software because "you can do it, so you can do it".

    Dear managers, do you REALLY want that? Hmm?

    And second, the even more important reason why you do NOT want more privileges than absolutely necessary: Responsibility. When (not if, WHEN) something blows up, you can just toss you hands up and say "I didn't do it! See, I COULDN'T do it, don't have the privs, don't look at me, can't help you solve it either 'cause I don't have the privs, guess you don't mind if I leave early today 'cause I can't do jack anyway. Have a nice one, see ya tomorrow!"

    And now explain again WHY you want more privileges than absolutely necessary!

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  68. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The problem is that most managers, especially in mid-level positions, are not really deserving the title "manager". They're not managing. They're executing.

    Managing entails some sort of decision making. Defining something, acquiring the resources necessary (material and personnel) to achieve this something and distributing them, solving logistics problems... in short "managing their resources" to achieve a goal.

    That's usually not what mid-level management does. In most companies, they don't decide jack. They get their resources (material and personnel) dumped on them, they get a target to achieve and they often even get the full detailed plan how to get there. In short, they're supervisors, and often not even that, given that often they don't even know what the people they're supposedly supervising are actually doing.

    Such "managers" cannot even make exceptions to make things run more smoothly, they don't have the freedom to do that.

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  69. Re:Don't worry, it's never the "small guy's" machi by owlstead · · Score: 1

    We've got a lot of that going on in my company. It is going to such an extend that I am leaving the company because of it.

    Currently I'm locked in a Software Engineering position (by my own consent, I like designing / help create software). Although I have been part of international standardization, I've been to many sites of companies that create products for us, and have been a driving force in getting common criteria certification, I'm still seen as "just a developer". This goes to such an extend that I cannot perform my work in any satisfactory way.

    People are different, and they have different needs. I'm not against anybody getting additional hardware or other privileges as long as they are required for him to do his job right, even if they hold the "same position" that I'm in. And the reason to put "same position" between quotation marks is obvious: they are *NOT* in the same position, even if they have the same job title.

    I'll try and go to a company that sees what people for what they are and try to get the best out of them instead of putting them down. And don't say these companies are not to be found - they are out there (Google comes to mind, this seems to me the main reason that they are so looked for for job positions).

  70. LOL by zoomshorts · · Score: 0

    Wikileaks calls US Government douchebags ! News at 11, where permitted.

  71. Nothing to burn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $29.99 and it's yours.

  72. Re:Shouldn't have been able to access 250,000 file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course they triggered an alarm, and the conclusion is that these 250,000 files were *allowed* to be sucked out. Think about it.

  73. If flash drives are outlawed... by Kopachris · · Score: 1

    ...only outlaws will have flash drives. After all, if you're going to leak sensitive information, and you get caught, you're going to get much worse than a court-martial. I think the directive will end up doing more harm than good.

  74. Correction: Only 1295 cables have been published by skelf · · Score: 1

    The summary mentions the "recent publication of more than 250,000 diplomatic cables". This is a falsehood that keeps circulating. As of this moment, Wikileaks has published only 1295 of these cables, and I believe nearly all of these are published in the redacted form that has already been made public by cooperating news organizations such as NYT, Guardian, Der Speigel, etc. Glenn Greenwald at Salon seems to be the best source of reasonable reporting about this whole WikLeaks witch hunt: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html It would be great if the /. editors would correct this misstatement in the story summary.

  75. Regulations for classified information by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    NSA publications expressly prohibit the capability to transfer files to insecure formats.

    Citation needed.

    In my experience, the NSA, DoD, and friends rely much more on physical and personnel controls. A system assumes the highest classification of any information on it. A writable medium mounted on a classified system assumes the classification of the system. If you've got a security clearance, you're expected to protect such media as any other classified information. The regulations very rarely dictate anything about file formats or access control, beyond protecting the authentication and audit subsystems of the system itself.

    Now, whether they *should* worry about that kind of thing is another story. Certainly, for selected programs, much stricter requirements tend to be imposed on things like removable media, and that's a good thing for data security. But those are technically imposed at the local level, not from official regulations.

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    1. Re:Regulations for classified information by jd · · Score: 1

      These are what systems are required to do in the way of security measures, as defined by the Federal Information Processing Standards, the Orange Book and the Common Criteria.

      A lot of the documentation can be found at the Information Assurance Support Environment website, Policy and Guidance

      To summarize, information that is labelled "Secret" can only be stored on a machine that - in the Orange Book system - is classed as B3 or better. The use of security labeling and a mox of host-level and network-level mandatory access controls is supposed to ensure that this is actually mandated at the OS level on each machine and between machines. B3 is equal to the more modern Commmon Criteria EAL4.

      (It is impossible, in theory, to transfer information that is classified at one level into a lower classification, on the same machine or by going through a series of machines. To be able to do so is a violation.)

      To be given an EAL4 rating, that precise combination of hardware and software MUST be tested by an approved laboratory and shown to meet all of the criteria.

      Further, as noted on the FIPS website: "With the passage of the Federal Information Security Management Act of 2002, there is no longer a statutory provision to allow for agencies to waive mandatory Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS)."

      Mandated Criteria, Rainbow Series and Related

      Mandated Criteria, Common Criteria

      These are NOT optional. These are Federally-mandated requirements. If Manning's computer did not meet these standards, it was NOT authorized to be on the network and the machines that transferred classified information to it were NOT authorized to do so.

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  76. QR Code File Transfer, awkward but tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you need is an ability to execute a personal program and record the result -- with a mobile phone, perhaps?

    In fact, I think modern phones are quite capable of running OCR live...

  77. Floppy, network in classified systems by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    floppy disk drive be removed. And off the network.

    I think you'll find that was a requirement for any system to be C2-certified - it was part of the spec.

    Not really.

    You can't certify an operating system by itself. Only a whole system -- hardware, software, configuration, *and* your plan and procedures for keeping it secure. So Microsoft never "got Windows NT" certified, because that simply isn't possible.

    I suspect what Microsoft did was publish a set of guidelines to help one configure an NT box to help you meet NSA Orange Book guidelines. (MSFT publishes similar guidelines today, for newer regulations.) Microsoft advised to disconnect the floppy drive because if you can boot from floppy you can bypass the OS. Disabling things in the BIOS would also work, but back in 1995 many computers (especially IBM's) didn't have that option.

    I don't know why MSFT didn't cover network security. Possibly it was just beyond the project's approved scope, possibly no one was asking (in 1995, classified PC networks were much more rare), maybe they couldn't do it, who knows?

    It is true the Orange Book (which defined the divisions and classes, like C1) doesn't address networks at all. But it doesn't disallow them, per se. Again, the entire configuration has to be certified as a whole. If you want a network, then all computers on the network, and the network itself, have to be considered part of the system, and certified together. The NSA Red Book got into network security, but really didn't make things much different.

    I'm given to understand that the Common Criteria (which replaced the NSA Rainbow Books) allow for more flexibility, which is how the SIPRNET exists at all. In the spaces I've played, though, they still use the "certify the network as a whole" approach. It's certainly easier to secure that way. An air gap is the best firewall.

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  78. Rules for classified facilities by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    You're not supposed to have phones in classified facilities. That, along with all removable media shall not leave the facility, is a policy.

    There's no government-wide rule that says you cannot have a mobile phone in a classified facility. Such rules are often enacted, but that's at the local security plan level, not official regulation.

    The rules for Sensitive Compartmented Information or Special Access Programs are stricter. In a SCI or SAP Facility, phones and personal electronic devices are prohibited by the governing regulations. Additionally, strong controls on media use, both procedural and computer-enforced, are often enacted at the local level. But SIPRNET and SCI/SAP are basically antithetical to each other, so it's kind of moot for this WikiLeaks scenario.

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  79. Rumors of the floppy's death have been... by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    Thank god they didn't ban floppy disks.

    You laugh, but floppy diskettes still see a lot of use in classified environments precisely because they're still allowed. HHOS.

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  80. Less with More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really dont get this, my employer is a bank with much less resources available to it (both financial, and intellectual) when compared to US Military and Intelligence organizations.
    Yet, they have disabled ALL USB mass storage profiles, and CD/DVD write capabilities on all machines in the enterprise. Computers still have USB, and DVD burners, they just dont work for saving data.
    All emails are scanned, 1 guy got fired for mailing sensitive information to his private email account as that was the only way he could free it from the Corp network.
    Pretty stupid I know, maybe he can get a job with the Army.

    I'm not an Info Sec specialist, but I would think this is a straight forward, "first pass" kinda thing.

    Looks like these guys fight data leakage as well as they fight terrorists

  81. GeeBus ! by kjhambrick · · Score: 1

    When will they stop treating the symptoms and finally outlaw that PHqing Toy OS on ANY machine ?

  82. TS (and higher) != SIPRNET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I find hilarious is that SIPRNET keeps coming up in this story... yet, the cables released are classified Top Secret and higher. Anyone in this field knows that's not possible so... is this just a mix up by the press? Did anyone (official) announce this young soldier had access to JWICS (or equiv.)?

  83. You'd be surprised where problems come from by eyore15 · · Score: 1

    Back in the 1980s, a popular toy was the Furby. The fun part was that you could "teach" it to talk. It listened and then parroted back what it heard. A dad, who worked in a classified area, was given one as a present by one of his children. He put it on his desk at work. As time went by, the stupid thing "learned" from discussions and phone calls and repeated what it had learned at an inopportune time -- when the boss was walking by. Shortly thereafter, a directive cam out banning Furbies from classified areas. At least that's how the story goes.

  84. Soooooo.... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I take it they are going to disable USB and CD/DVD-ROMS at the hardware level, and also physically remove those interfaces from the motherboards/casesthemselves? Considering how many devices have internal memory, anything can be a thumb drive. Ipod, Iphone, watch, you name it. All you have to do is plug it in. USB is so ubik as well, that I don't think someone experienced in this sort of thing will have much trouble turning it back on if disabled. Reboot-bios-on. It will prevent the casual and retarded I suppose, which is likely the larger danger.

    Now the military could design their own motherboards, custom bios and their own proprietary data transfer interface, making it incompatible with anything else, which would at least force someone to reverse engineer it first. Of course that would cost millions no doubt, and some jerk would likely break it in a week.

  85. WoW! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I mean come on, network admin 101 clearly says, if you want no leaks, then disable all your io ports from output, seems easy enough to follow, so if you want the military admin to be as smart as a regular admin, you have to clearly break into their system, and leave traces easy to find so that they can then deduce that this mentality actually applies to them as well.....???

  86. reverse situation by DrYak · · Score: 1

    and, God-forbid, not implementing stupid policies that are morally questionable. Assenge noted in an interview that the purpose of Wikileaks wasn't to start a revolution but to make it easier for (morally)good companies to do business and to make it harder for (morally) bad companies to do business. The same could be said for government. Hire a trustworthy+competent staff don't be a jackass and you'll be less of a target, or at least implement fewer inane 'security' measures.

    "Those who have nothing aweful to hide, have nothing to fear"

    Hey, Mr. Government, how does it feel to be on the receiving side of your number one argument in favour of privacy violations ?

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  87. "Those who have nothing to hide" by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The public knows they were getting smoke blown up their ass, and they wanted the truth. So, they found it. The military is creating a market for the truth by keeping it from us.
    In this day and age, if you deprive people of information, they're only going to want it more.

    in other words, you're turning the government's favourite pro-privacy-invasion mantra ("those who have nothing to hide have nothing to hide") against themeselves.

    nice job !

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  88. Standards are not Mandates by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    There's nothing mandating TCB B3 for collateral SECRET in any DOD issuance I'm familiar with. B3 was pretty hard to get; it's most definitely more than EAL4. I can't say for sure the DOD has never issued anything mandating EAL4 for SECRET, but if they have they've never flowed the requirement to the regulations I work under.

    Many of the standards you list specify do not address applicability or mandate implementation. They are a framework, a mechanism -- they are not policy. The fact that something is a Federal standard doesn't mean it is a *mandatory* standard. Thee are tons of things standardized for agencies who *elect* to employ something.

    Further, the DOD is largely its own beast. FIPS is for civilian Federal agencies; it and other NIST issuances generally don't have jurisdiction over DOD. FISMA (the law that gives force to things like FIPS 200) explicitly exempts DOD, NSA, and other "national security" systems. The DOD adopts a lot of that stuff anyway, but it's their option.

    If there isn't a DOD Directive, Instruction, Manual, etc., that says "All DoD commands shall do XYZ", there's little to no real force behind it, as far as DOD goes.

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