I wasn't trying to insult people that have trouble burning ISOs. You can not burn an ISO with stock Windows XP or Vista. You must download a program to burn an ISO that is after you find it. For me and you not an issue but for many people it is "hacker" stuff. Dial up? Eww. I really thought that dial up only areas where few and far between. I have a friend that lives in the middle of no where Idaho and he has DSL so I thought it was available in most places by now. I know a few places are still on dial up but I whould hope not too many.
I have nothing bad to say about Maemo at all since I have not used it. My choice of phones is based on availability on my chosen carrier which is Sprint. I have been happy with Sprint,s service and pricing. My complaint was that the piece was totally fluffy feel good FOSS is the one true way and light junk. Nothing about usability, features, SDK, , stability, or quality of applications available. Frankly I hope Maemo is great. Nokia makes very good hardware but S60 is kind of funky and doesn't work all that well with touch screen devices I hear. I would love to see more Nokia phones in the US. The E71 is a very well made phone. If I wasn't going Android and Sprint it would be very temping. Since I like German cars and British TV I figure I have a good chance of liking a funky Finnish OS.
Actually I believe that the wing area and weights of both the NATO F-16s and Egyptian F-16s are pretty close if they are from the same production series.
Thanks for your great post. You left out one fact that I think that a lot of people on Slashdot don't get. The last think that any US military pilot wants to do is shoot down an airliner full of people. It would be the last resort and so far I don't think it has happened in the history of the USAF. Not even during the really scary days of the cold war. The US Navy did shoot down an Iranian airliner in a major error with a SAM but so far no US fighter has shot down a rouge airliner. Let us hope that record stands.
Actually there is no good answer to how slow can an F16 fly. What altitude, What is it carrying? Odds are pretty good that that an F16 could slow to the cruse speed of a modern airliner with little effort.
Well if you jump into a thread and make assumptions in mid thread then you will often be very wrong. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1418505&cid=29871731 It isn't that far back in the thread and since this is threaded board I really think it would be very silly for me to have to include the previous posts in my replay. To come to the wrong conclusion with incomplete data and then insist that you are still correct shows that you my have brilliant future in politics.
None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user. 1. Freedom from crashes. random, and forced resets. 2. Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself. 3. Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.
Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first. Most users will never want to root the phone. How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional. I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that doesn't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are. I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view. Finally we can talk about how "free" they are. All of that is important but usability really is very important and it wasn't talked about in this story at all.
I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device. I don't want to be on the AT&T network so the iPhone is out. WinMo doesn't really thrill me, and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording. My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing! MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING. Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon.
Really? Did you read the final line of my orignal post? "Not that I say it is right but Washington State will not go after Microsoft for this because it just isn't worth the effort or the risk."
I think that provides full context that I am not making a judgment on if it is right or wrong wouldn't you?
I was making not statement about what is right or wrong, just what will happen. Frankly I think that law violates the interstate commerce clause in the Constitution but I am not an expert on constitutional law. I fear as a whole what is right and what is wrong has very little effect on what politicians will do. I fear you are mistaking observation with approval.
I think that the "feature phone" is dead. Smart phones are in the $100 range right now. In a year or so I expect to see a free Android phone. Even the current feature phones are pretty dang smart. Take a look at the LG Lotus. Imagine that with an A5 and a real browser.
I never got any of the free CDs because I never wanted to wait. I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.
Yes they could move or at least stop investing in the Redmond campus. Other states would pay Microsoft really big money to move or invest in their states. It may cost Microsoft more than a Billion to move but it would cost Washington a lot more than a Billion if Microsoft moved.
What?????? These are state taxes we are talking about. Frankly I question if that tax is legal at all based on the interstate commerce clause in the US constitution. This isn't a federal tax at all.
They buy stuff in Washington so they pay sales tax. They buy homes in Washington so they pay property taxes. They buy stuff so people have jobs selling stuff and those people buy more stuff paying sales and property taxes.... If a state doesn't have personal income tax then they make the money from sales and property taxes. a lack of a personal income tax doesn't mean tax free. Then you have the other companies that are in Washington because Microsoft was there. If Microsoft pulled out of Washington it would cost the state a lot more than that one billion dollars in additional taxes they may or may not manage to get from Microsoft.
How much revenue does Washington State get from Microsoft? Not just in direct taxes but on all the taxes that the employees pay? Odds are that one billion is a drop in the bucket and Washington state will not risk ticking off Microsoft. Microsoft is a money pump for Washington State. How many billions of dollars a year does it bring into the state from other states and even countries? Not that I say it is right but Washington State will not go after Microsoft for this because it just isn't worth the effort or the risk.
He is only going 10 years out. I think that is probably a reasonable bet. Ten years just isn't that long. I doubt that you will see a new tech replace HDDs in less than 10 years. Even some great unknown tech will take time to bring market.
really? how other than allowing the.xxx domain if you really think that would be an improvement. Just what has ICANN messed up so bad? So far ICANN has done a really good job of messing things up and not censoring so I just don't see any need for change except for some silly need to fix a system that is working by making it more "international'. Sorry folks but most of the countries on this rock do not believe in freedom of speech. There are even counties in the EU that don't believe in the same level of political free speech as the US. In the end you might get more freedom of porn and less freedom of ideas. Sort of a Internet version of Brave New World.
Just what tool do you need that isn't available as an RPM for RHEL? I have not used Ubuntu Server in a while and I am sure that it is very good but really CentOS is a very good server OS
Yes anybody that is smart enough to use CentOS keeps track of it's releases. That should be part of the Linux IQ test. If you use Fedora to run a prodcution server you fail.
Let me give Slashdot a simple formula. If the title contains Republicans or Democrats or Libertarians or Communists or Socialists or Liberals or Conservatives it needs to go into the politics section.
I do agree with you. OpenOffice makes sense in that it helps break the Microsoft Office lock in. It allows people to just use Solaris and not have both a Solaris workstation and a Windows desktop on their desk. Plus Sun was hoping to charge for support for OpenOffice/StarOffice. I think you and I agree a lot more than we differ. My point was that FOSS benefits a lot more from big companies contributing than most people know.
Your lucky, here the outside air temp is often higher than your shutdown temp.
The thing is that having a higher standard temp in the server room will not mean that your server "fries" when you the HVAC goes down. It means that you may have to take down the machines. When I worked in a place with a big machine room our priorities where protect the data, protect the machine, uptime. Our shutdown was 87 and we got to 85 once during a back up power test that failed to power the HVAC.
Sun buying MySQL was a mistake I feel but it may have been the reason that they got bought. OpenOffice I think was a good move for them Java I never understood how Sun was going to make money off of Java. Tools and selling Solaris servers maybe? Solaris I feel was too little too late. Solaris was badly hurt by Linux. It is a great OS but it is hard to complete with free when you lack a the software lock in that Microsoft has. Sun may not have benefited as much as the other but they may have gone belly up and not been bought if they hadn't had those FOSS projects. IBM, Intel, and RedHat seem to be doing well.
"Had we been warm in there we would have lost numerous server towers and Raid Racks." Don't your servers have thermal protection? Don't you have a power down temp and procedure? I can not imagine a professional allowing hardware to fry just because they loose AC. You must have a procedure for that situation because it will happen if you run a data center long enough.
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I wasn't trying to insult people that have trouble burning ISOs. You can not burn an ISO with stock Windows XP or Vista. You must download a program to burn an ISO that is after you find it.
For me and you not an issue but for many people it is "hacker" stuff.
Dial up? Eww. I really thought that dial up only areas where few and far between. I have a friend that lives in the middle of no where Idaho and he has DSL so I thought it was available in most places by now. I know a few places are still on dial up but I whould hope not too many.
I have nothing bad to say about Maemo at all since I have not used it. My choice of phones is based on availability on my chosen carrier which is Sprint. I have been happy with Sprint,s service and pricing.
My complaint was that the piece was totally fluffy feel good FOSS is the one true way and light junk.
Nothing about usability, features, SDK, , stability, or quality of applications available.
Frankly I hope Maemo is great. Nokia makes very good hardware but S60 is kind of funky and doesn't work all that well with touch screen devices I hear.
I would love to see more Nokia phones in the US. The E71 is a very well made phone. If I wasn't going Android and Sprint it would be very temping. Since I like German cars and British TV I figure I have a good chance of liking a funky Finnish OS.
Actually I believe that the wing area and weights of both the NATO F-16s and Egyptian F-16s are pretty close if they are from the same production series.
Oh and cute Python reference.
Thanks for your great post. You left out one fact that I think that a lot of people on Slashdot don't get.
The last think that any US military pilot wants to do is shoot down an airliner full of people. It would be the last resort and so far I don't think it has happened in the history of the USAF. Not even during the really scary days of the cold war. The US Navy did shoot down an Iranian airliner in a major error with a SAM but so far no US fighter has shot down a rouge airliner. Let us hope that record stands.
Actually there is no good answer to how slow can an F16 fly.
What altitude, What is it carrying?
Odds are pretty good that that an F16 could slow to the cruse speed of a modern airliner with little effort.
Well if you jump into a thread and make assumptions in mid thread then you will often be very wrong.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1418505&cid=29871731
It isn't that far back in the thread and since this is threaded board I really think it would be very silly for me to have to include the previous posts in my replay. To come to the wrong conclusion with incomplete data and then insist that you are still correct shows that you my have brilliant future in politics.
None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.
1. Freedom from crashes. random, and forced resets.
2. Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself.
3. Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.
Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first. Most users will never want to root the phone. How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional. I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that doesn't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are. I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view. Finally we can talk about how "free" they are. All of that is important but usability really is very important and it wasn't talked about in this story at all.
I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device. I don't want to be on the AT&T network so the iPhone is out. WinMo doesn't really thrill me, and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording. My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing! MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING.
Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon.
Really? Did you read the final line of my orignal post?
"Not that I say it is right but Washington State will not go after Microsoft for this because it just isn't worth the effort or the risk."
I think that provides full context that I am not making a judgment on if it is right or wrong wouldn't you?
I was making not statement about what is right or wrong, just what will happen.
Frankly I think that law violates the interstate commerce clause in the Constitution but I am not an expert on constitutional law.
I fear as a whole what is right and what is wrong has very little effect on what politicians will do.
I fear you are mistaking observation with approval.
I think that the "feature phone" is dead. Smart phones are in the $100 range right now. In a year or so I expect to see a free Android phone. Even the current feature phones are pretty dang smart. Take a look at the LG Lotus. Imagine that with an A5 and a real browser.
I never got any of the free CDs because I never wanted to wait. I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.
Has it been that long?
Can someone help me install Trumpet Winsock so I can get my Windows 3.11 system in the internet using PPP?
Yes they could move or at least stop investing in the Redmond campus.
Other states would pay Microsoft really big money to move or invest in their states. It may cost Microsoft more than a Billion to move but it would cost Washington a lot more than a Billion if Microsoft moved.
What??????
These are state taxes we are talking about. Frankly I question if that tax is legal at all based on the interstate commerce clause in the US constitution. This isn't a federal tax at all.
They buy stuff in Washington so they pay sales tax. They buy homes in Washington so they pay property taxes.
They buy stuff so people have jobs selling stuff and those people buy more stuff paying sales and property taxes....
If a state doesn't have personal income tax then they make the money from sales and property taxes. a lack of a personal income tax doesn't mean tax free.
Then you have the other companies that are in Washington because Microsoft was there. If Microsoft pulled out of Washington it would cost the state a lot more than that one billion dollars in additional taxes they may or may not manage to get from Microsoft.
How much revenue does Washington State get from Microsoft? Not just in direct taxes but on all the taxes that the employees pay? Odds are that one billion is a drop in the bucket and Washington state will not risk ticking off Microsoft.
Microsoft is a money pump for Washington State. How many billions of dollars a year does it bring into the state from other states and even countries?
Not that I say it is right but Washington State will not go after Microsoft for this because it just isn't worth the effort or the risk.
He is only going 10 years out. I think that is probably a reasonable bet. Ten years just isn't that long. I doubt that you will see a new tech replace HDDs in less than 10 years. Even some great unknown tech will take time to bring market.
really? how other than allowing the .xxx domain if you really think that would be an improvement. Just what has ICANN messed up so bad?
So far ICANN has done a really good job of messing things up and not censoring so I just don't see any need for change except for some silly need to fix a system that is working by making it more "international'. Sorry folks but most of the countries on this rock do not believe in freedom of speech. There are even counties in the EU that don't believe in the same level of political free speech as the US.
In the end you might get more freedom of porn and less freedom of ideas. Sort of a Internet version of Brave New World.
Just what tool do you need that isn't available as an RPM for RHEL?
I have not used Ubuntu Server in a while and I am sure that it is very good but really CentOS is a very good server OS
Yes anybody that is smart enough to use CentOS keeps track of it's releases.
That should be part of the Linux IQ test.
If you use Fedora to run a prodcution server you fail.
Let me give Slashdot a simple formula.
If the title contains Republicans or Democrats or Libertarians or Communists or Socialists or Liberals or Conservatives it needs to go into the politics section.
I do agree with you. OpenOffice makes sense in that it helps break the Microsoft Office lock in. It allows people to just use Solaris and not have both a Solaris workstation and a Windows desktop on their desk. Plus Sun was hoping to charge for support for OpenOffice/StarOffice.
I think you and I agree a lot more than we differ. My point was that FOSS benefits a lot more from big companies contributing than most people know.
Your lucky, here the outside air temp is often higher than your shutdown temp.
The thing is that having a higher standard temp in the server room will not mean that your server "fries" when you the HVAC goes down. It means that you may have to take down the machines. When I worked in a place with a big machine room our priorities where protect the data, protect the machine, uptime. Our shutdown was 87 and we got to 85 once during a back up power test that failed to power the HVAC.
Sun buying MySQL was a mistake I feel but it may have been the reason that they got bought.
OpenOffice I think was a good move for them Java I never understood how Sun was going to make money off of Java. Tools and selling Solaris servers maybe?
Solaris I feel was too little too late. Solaris was badly hurt by Linux. It is a great OS but it is hard to complete with free when you lack a the software lock in that Microsoft has.
Sun may not have benefited as much as the other but they may have gone belly up and not been bought if they hadn't had those FOSS projects.
IBM, Intel, and RedHat seem to be doing well.
"Had we been warm in there we would have lost numerous server towers and Raid Racks."
Don't your servers have thermal protection?
Don't you have a power down temp and procedure?
I can not imagine a professional allowing hardware to fry just because they loose AC. You must have a procedure for that situation because it will happen if you run a data center long enough.